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Analyzing this trade, algebra style

I'm currently reading "The Road to Reality," by Roger Penrose (yes, I'm a nerd).

In the preface, Penrose hits on the importance of the concept of cancelling in dealing with fractions...the logical notion that 2/3 = 4/6 because 4/6=(2*2)/(2*3), and since you can cancel a two from both the numerator and the denominator of the fraction, that leaves you with 2/3.

Anyway...we can think about the return of a multi-player trade like this in terms of fractions and cancelling.  The players the Rangers got are the numerator, the players the Padres got are the denominator, and if RP/PP > 1, the Rangers made out better on the deal.

So, let's look at Young, Gonzalez and Sledge for Eaton, Otsuka and Killian.

First of all, we can probably cancel Sledge and Killian.  Yes, Sledge is a little more valuable than Killian, but a prospect like Killian is along the lines of what you'd expect to get in exchange for someone like Sledge.  The edge here goes to San Diego, but not by a huge amount...they are pretty close to being equivalent value, so we can take them out of the equation.

Second, we can probably cancel Gonzalez and Otsuka.  Again, the Padres probably make out better on this part of the deal, getting a very nice first base prospect for a very nice setup man, but Otsuka is still cheap, being a year away from arbitration eligibility.  He's not young -- he'll be 34 in January -- but he's someone who should still have some innings left in his arm.

Like with the Sledge/Killian portion of the deal, the Padres are getting the better end of it, but while the Rangers overpaid, we are still dealing with very rough equivalency here.  So we can cancel Gonzalez and Otsuka out.

That leaves us with the Padres having an edge in this deal, before getting to the Eaton/Young swap.

First of all, let me make something clear:  Adam Eaton is not a better pitcher than Chris Young.  I don't give a damn how good Eaton's stuff supposedly is, or how people in San Diego thought he was a solid #2 behind Peavy.  He's not better than Young.

Young had a better season last year.  Despite pitching in TBIA, while Eaton got to pitch in one of the best pitcher's parks in baseball, Chris Young had a better ERA than Eaton last year.  He pitched more innings.  He had about the same rate of homers allowed, while posting a much better K/BB ratio.

So let me say it again...Randy Galloway, Jim Reeves, whomever else is claiming Eaton is a better pitcher than Chris Young is simply wrong, wrong, wrong.  There's no other way to put this.

And not only is Eaton not as good as Young...he's going to cost about $5 million for 2006, versus less than $1 million for Young.  And he's a free agent after 2006, while Young isn't eligible for free agency until after the 2010 season.

So, to summarize...if the deal were just Gonzalez and Sledge for Killian and Otsuka, the Padres would have gotten the better end of the deal.

But on top of that, the Rangers swapped starting pitchers with the Padres, and got a pitcher who is more expensive, a free agent after 2006, and not as good as the guy they gave up, to boot.

This is a bad, bad trade.  There are no two ways about it.

And what is particularly baffling is what this says about the Rangers' commitment to developing their own pitching.

They supposedly developed a starting pitcher in 2004.  Ryan Drese.  He was the poster child for the Orel Hershiser-as-genius campaign.

Then Drese cratered in 2005, and was lost on waivers to the Nationals.

The other two young pitchers who got a look in 2004 were Ricardo Rodriguez and Chris Young.  RicRod pitched well, broke his arm, got jerked around in spring training, pitched well in the minors, pitched erratically in the majors, got hurt, ended the season on the d.l., irritated management with his work ethic and attitude, and ended up getting sent to Philly for Vicente Padilla.

Chris Young, though...he was the success story.  The shining star, the example of what the Rangers could accomplish through astute scouting and quality player development.  He had his ups and downs last year, but ultimately set a Rangers rookie record for wins, and had a solid season in the rotation.

And what happens?  He gets shipped out for an expensive mediocrity.  

I just don't get it.

There's not much about this that makes sense.  Maybe, as some have suggested, Daniels panicked...maybe losing out on Morris, seeing guys like Tomko spurn two year deals, not being able to get the return being demanded for Mench led management decide that they had to pull the trigger on the Eaton deal.  

More likely, I think someone within the organization -- my guess would be Dom Chiti -- sees something in Eaton, thinks that Eaton can turn the corner and be a legit top of the rotation starter.  I wrote a few days ago that I wouldn't be surprised if Eaton ended up developing into somewhere between Matt Clement and Jason Schmidt...and if that happens, then this is a pretty decent deal for the Rangers.

But the organization is betting an awful lot on Eaton becoming Clement/Schmidt, doing it in 2006, and sticking around so the team can reap the benefits down the road.  They are sort of backed into a corner with Eaton, much like the Mets were with Kris Benson, where they are going to be forced to try to overpay to keep him, since they gave up so much to get him.  Eaton supposedly was asking for 3 years, $27 million to stay in San Diego, and I can't imagine his asking price is going down now that he's in Texas.  

So either the Rangers are going to end up overpaying to keep Eaton beyond 2006, or after this year, the Rangers will have nothing to show for a very good first base prospect, a very good young pitcher, and a decent 4th outfielder except a middle reliever and a random catcher in A-ball.

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i'm sure glad they didn't trade Blalock or it would be this type of critisicm times 10...

by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2005 6:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Possibly
Especially if they had traded Blalock for a guy who was older than him, not as good, more expensive, and a free agent after this year.

Trading Young or Gonzalez isn't the problem.  Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and trade away good young talent to get better.

It's who they traded them for that is the problem.

 

by Chris Martin on Dec 21, 2005 7:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Chris
Young breaks down at the end of the year, while Eaton will actually take us into September and the postseason.  PLUS we got a Set-up man to stabilize the 7th and 8th until Frankie comes back.  The money involved blows, and we could have gotten more for AGonz, but player to player, I think JD wants to win now, and I think he realizes that Arm Fatigue is something you can't have if you want to go deep into the playoffs.

-SMITTY

by SMITTY on Dec 20, 2005 6:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What will be your stance
Adam, if Eaton goes 200 innings and produces a 108 or better ERA+ in 2006?  That of course implies quite a few wins, as well.  

Not that he will, but I for one cannot sit here and say Eaton is not as good as Chris Young.

by Ed Coffin on Dec 20, 2005 6:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I won't speak for Adam
But the next time Eaton does either of those things will be his first time.

And while Eaton might be as good as Chris Young, he's certainly no better- the stats bear that out. Add to that the difference in salaries, and the fact Eaton's a free agent after 2006, while Young will be under San Diego's control through 2010, and this is a bad deal.

As I said in another thread, I didn't much care for the other parts of the trade, but I understood them. The Young/Eaton part? Not so much.

by RCCook on Dec 20, 2005 6:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can
He's not as good as Chris Young.

See, it's not that hard.

by Chris Martin on Dec 20, 2005 7:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Young's pitches/batter ratio ...
... might Eaton wear less on the bullpen this season?

[seeking silver lining over here]

by shroomer on Dec 20, 2005 6:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Agon for Otsuka - point padres?
I'll give you the pads got better value out of Young and Sledge, but the Rangers got the better vaule out of Agon for Otsuka.

Overall I'm with you though.

Not happy about this trade.

by bdavison94 on Dec 20, 2005 6:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

September
Young breaks down at the end of the year, while Eaton will actually take us into September and the postseason.

Yep.  I can't wait for Eaton and September.

In his career for the month of September:

160 IP
5.67 ERA
12.50 whip
.282 opp avg
6-11 record

 

by LBrooks on Dec 20, 2005 6:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i like my baseball team
i like the person who runs it. i have faith in JD...i like Adam Eaton.

by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2005 6:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm with this guy
Of course, I'm bitter about losing Chris Young.

This deal sucks, but not everything is a complete failure.

Otsuka should be a good setup guy and that is going to help tremendously this season.

This whole bullpen should be much closer to 2004 than 2005.

Eaton and Young are a coin flip for who has a better 2005.  We are going to be in decent shape this year and headed in the right direction.

And yes Morris, we already knew you were a big nerd this just clinches it..

by jctrampe on Dec 20, 2005 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Im also
very sad about losing Chris Young more than i am about losing A Gon, Chris was a great young kid that had good potential, now we get this bad attitude guy that thats already pissed about coming here who will leave after this year when we could have had Young through 2010, I dont know what Daniels is thinking....
"There's no reason the Rangers can't get to the top.""My style is to keep folks in place who are good managers and want to win."

by miles on Dec 20, 2005 7:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The right direction
If Eaton and Young are a coin flip then the Rangers are headed in the wrong direction.  Eaton won't be here after next year and Young would have been here until 2010.  So next year at this time we will be talking about replacing another guy in the rotation (Eaton) instead of already having a solid guy to keep building around (Young).

by Chris Martin on Dec 20, 2005 7:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Replacing another guy...
Padilla is only here on a one year deal, and that's likely true of Sidney Ponson, who looks like he'll be in the rotation, as well.

So, at the end of 2006, we'll have three empty spots in the rotation.

And that assumes both Loe and Dominguez nail down spots.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2005 7:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good for you
I like most of my baseball team.  I like one of the guys who runs it.

What is there to like about Eaton?  I am not trying to be a smartass here.  I honestly don't see anything positive about the guy.

by Chris Martin on Dec 20, 2005 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

true that...
there isnt anything positive about this guy....all you have to do is read his quotes..
"There's no reason the Rangers can't get to the top.""My style is to keep folks in place who are good managers and want to win."

by miles on Dec 20, 2005 7:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No.
you don't.  I think you said you were a Marlins fan or something like that...

by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2005 7:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think
you said you were a jackass or something.

by DJCahill on Dec 20, 2005 8:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is sarcasm
He's got a live arm!  And he's a bulldog on the mound!  Pitchability!  Looks good in Wranglers!

by Matthew Powell on Dec 20, 2005 7:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff...
Other than that... nothing really.

by Richard Wade on Dec 21, 2005 12:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Anger.
I literally yelled, "Oh Shit" at work today when I first saw this news.

Luckily everyone has already cut out for Christmas, or "Holiday" as we secular liberals like to call it.

by PatrickWalz on Dec 20, 2005 9:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Personally
I'm still in disbelief, and am struggling to find Daniels' reasoning. I was starting to get a vision of Daniels as someone who would put his foot down on a deal like this. Even if he really liked a certain player (Eaton) I thought he would at least demand Carrillo or one of their other top prospects, but the pressure to get a deal done must have gotten the best of him. I'm definitely very disapointed, and I certainly would have rather sent something of lesser value to Minnesota for Lohse since he seems like a better and cheaper fit than Eaton(not that he is anything special either).

by jcir454 on Dec 20, 2005 9:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do not judge yet
Chris Young for Einar Diaz
Travis Hafner for Einar Diaz
Carl Everett for Frankie Francisco and Josh Rupe
U Urbina for AGon and Will Smith
Say what you want, but Texas got a haul for Juan Gone.

What I am saying here is that we may be too quick to judge. The Rangers have made some great trades that we all responded too with WTF. Let's wait and see.

by Allen13 on Dec 20, 2005 9:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Travis Hafner for Einar Diaz
Are you saying that that was a great trade?

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 20, 2005 9:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No
I was saying that you never know, and thus should keep the ranting and raving for another day.

by Allen13 on Dec 20, 2005 10:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This trade rivals Hafner/Diaz ...
... as the dumbest trade this century by the Rangers.  It makes absolutely no sense no matter how you look at it.  This trade did not improve the Rangers' chances of winning in '06 and it damn sure didn't help their chances of winning in '07 and going forward.

JD really blew this one.  Stupid, stupid trade.

by Athos on Dec 20, 2005 9:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Danks vs. Diamond
I hate to break up the negative vibe flowing around here, but you might want to hop on over to the John Sickles' site for an interesting converstaion about Danks vs. Diamond - including Volquez...

by TheHossMan on Dec 20, 2005 9:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I've decided
It was a bad trade..I guess.

But it wasn't a disaster. Young and AG are disposable parts. The disaster would have been trading someone like Blalock for this.

A lot depends on what happens with Chris Young, too.

by Sharky on Dec 20, 2005 9:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This is the kind of trade
you'd expect from an organization that has never won a playoff series.

I wonder if JD feels Seattle nipping on the Rangers heels and panicked?  Like third place means anything.

Very shortsighted.  

by rob on Dec 20, 2005 9:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

to be fair
I don't like the deal, but I think that the math used in the initial post is a bit fuzzy.  Adrian Gonzalez for Otsuka does not cancel.  It's just a fact that in this day and age you don't get a CHEAP succesful setup man in exchange for a first base prospect with questionable power.  Good setup guys are extremely difficult to acquire.  If Daniels could have traded Adrian Gonzalez straight-up for Dan Wheeler, I firmly believe that he would have done it, but we all know that Houston would have laughed at that proposal.  Adam, if we had traded Gonzalez for Otsuka I've gotta think that you would have praised the deal (I know that I would have).

by hperl345 on Dec 20, 2005 10:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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