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A few more notes on the trade

Just a couple more items, and then I'm hopefully done talking about the Eaton/Young trade tonight, after having ranted about it here, here, and especially here...

As ortonius noted in the diaries, Adam Eaton has already made it clear he's not too interested in staying in Texas past 2006:

"It's not conducive to my style of pitching; I'm a fly-ball pitcher," [Eaton] said. "If I was to stay there, it'd have to be for crazy money."

So chances are, Eaton is here for no more than a season.  

As is Otsuka, apparently, as Kathleen O'Brien reports that Otsuka is a free agent after 2006.

So, we're giving up Adrian Gonzalez, Chris Young, and Terrmel Sledge, and there's a real good chance we'll have nothing to show for it after 2006 except a catcher in A-ball.

Update [2005-12-21 2:53:11 by Adam J. Morris]: -- Well, O'Brien's article has been updated and expanded, but it no longer mentions Otsuka being a free agent after 2006. Otsuka only has two years of service time, so he normally would be arbitration-eligible after 2006, unless, like Hideki Matsui, he had a deal where he would be non-tendered rather than offered arbitration after his initial deal was up. Since that tidbit has been removed, I'll assume that Otsuka isn't going to be a free agent after 2006. (END UPDATE)

Tim Cowlishaw is extremely critical of the deal, and takes Daniels to task:

We are in the middle of Jon Daniels' first off-season as general manager and I have no idea where we are going.

Right now, it's a little like the wedding scene from The Deer Hunter . It's dragging on forever, it's not what I want to see and there just has to be some better stuff ahead, so let's get on with it.

Adam Eaton, who had a 4.27 ERA and played his home games in pitcher-friendly San Diego, is the newest "ace." Chris Young, who had a 4.26 ERA and played home games in hitter-friendly Arlington, is gone.

And so is Adrian Gonzalez, one of the club's top hitting prospects, a former No. 1 overall draft pick who is only 23. And so is Termell Sledge, whom we really didn't get to know after his arrival here from Washington in the Alfonso Soriano deal two weeks ago.

But also coming to town is Akinori Otsuka, a Japanese reliever who turns 34 in January and had a 6.92 ERA and 0-8 record on the road for the Padres last year, so he should be a nice fit.

* * *

Unfortunately, there seems to be a lot not to recommend about Eaton right now. For one thing, if he has a really good season, he can use free agency to get out of town in 2007.

But that's the least of the worries from here. If you remove pitchers faced from the equation, Eaton had a 4.60 ERA last year. Bring that to Arlington and adjust for designated hitters and parks, and what do you get - about 5.50?

He was really good before the All-Star break. Injured and not so good after the break. Not good enough to get one of the team's three postseason starts against St. Louis, although former Ranger Pedro Astacio got into the mix.

Scouts will tell you that straight up, Young for Eaton is a good deal for Texas. Maybe that's all that matters.

Kudos to Cowlishaw for pointing out that we just gave up a significant amount of talent for a guy who couldn't beat out Pedro Astacio for a spot in the Padres' playoff rotation.

Update [2005-12-21 1:11:41 by Adam J. Morris]: -- Okay, just a couple of more items...

Evan Grant has a quick piece on Chris Young's reaction, and offers the apparent mindset behind letting Young go:

The Rangers were concerned that Young would constantly struggle to the finish of seasons. At 6-10 and 260 pounds, Young is heavier than most pitchers, but he also grew up in Dallas and was athletic enough to play Division I college basketball.

What confuses me about this is that, when Young was acquired, we were hearing about how his size was an attribute, how that made him more projectable and more likely to be a top starter who could withstand the heat in Texas.

I just don't get it...how can a team, that has preached for years now the importance of developing pitching from within, who has drummed home to us that the Rangers will only succeed by building pitching from the farm system, turn around and trade what appears to be their most successful homegrown starter since Rick Helling for a one year rental?

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Cowlishaw article
Nice analysis. Amazing that one of our local writers apparently has an understanding of park effects.

by RCCook on Dec 20, 2005 10:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Eaton
My wife just got home and her reaction to the trade, "Eaton Shit is what they were thinking".
She is a moderate baseball fan, and still initially believes this trade sucks balls.

by Allen13 on Dec 20, 2005 10:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Q:
howcome we haven't heard a word from JD on this trade?

by Longhorn on Dec 20, 2005 11:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The ether hasn't worn off yet?
And he'll probably need to go to the ER for some stitches, too.

by Athos on Dec 20, 2005 11:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've wondered that
as well. Daniels is normally pretty accessible right after a deal is made. Hopefully he'll be on the Ticket or one of the other stations tomorrow to explain this deal.

by RCCook on Dec 20, 2005 11:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gah Damnit!
Chris Young is going to be an All Star next season, and the season after that, and the season after that, and....

Unreal.  Im pissed.  Bring back John Hart (Not really.  You get my point though.)

by PUNCHbrad on Dec 21, 2005 12:26 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I am equally baffled Adam
I envy you having this blog to vent. I got zero work done after hearing the news today as I furiously typed IM messages and posted in various forums, trying to release my anxiety.

Didn't work either. I'm sitting here at 12:30 in the morning, and I need an answer to WHY??? WHY???

It's utterly baffling. It seems so illogical that I feel like pinching myself.

BTW, I heard Evan Grant today say that this was not a trade Hart would have. Excuse me, but wasn't Hart's M.O. in Cleveland that he traded young, position studs for average pitchers that were either over the hill (Otsuka) or had never quite put it together (Eaton)? Hell, at least Hart got his Giles and Sexson trades done without including young, ML proven pitching talent.

WHY????

by jthig32 on Dec 21, 2005 12:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Devil's Advocate
I don't remember anybody predicting CY's success based on his trip up thru the minors - 'stunned' might be a good word to describe all you horsehide heads.  

He has a great start to the 2005 MLB season after 7 show-me starts at the end of 2004.  Then, as Grant points out, he puts up a 5.58 ERA over his last 18 starts and finishes the 2005 season with the dreaded 'dead arm.'

Is is SOOOO wrong to say that the stealthiness of his minor-league buzz coupled with his lack-luster 2005 Ranger finish was more the expected norm than the brief window of eye-popping success that had many in disbelief?  

Is it possible that that is how MLB scouts and GM's judge CY's value?  And is that horrible logic?

by shroomer on Dec 21, 2005 12:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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"Then, as Grant points out, he puts up a 5.58 ERA over his last 18 starts and finishes the 2005 season with the dreaded 'dead arm.'"

That 5.58 ERA is inflated by his July, where he had a 10.18 ERA.  His final two months weren't bad at all, where he posted ERA's of 3.51 and 3.86, respectively.  Given that it was easily the most innings he'd ever pitched in his life, his being tired should have been pretty understandable.  Even with the so called "dead arm", he still pitched very effectively.

by Ian Cobb on Dec 21, 2005 11:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Otsuka
Adam, where in the FWST article did it say Otsuka will be a FA after 06?  I think that's untrue.

by Jamey Newberg on Dec 21, 2005 1:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think....
Jamey's right.

Otsuka only has 2 years of MLB experience. He would be arbitration eligible after 06, though....

I still will not comment on the deal..... (though, it really is testing me).

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by Requiem on Dec 21, 2005 1:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It is gone now
May have been a typo from an initial draft.

It surprised me, too, which is why I included it.  I assumed that Otsuka had some sort of deal like Matsui had, where he would be non-tendered rather than going to arbitration.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 21, 2005 1:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cowlishaw
I'll admit to not reading too many Ranger columnists (the stuff written in newspapers is for casual fans -- I go to places like BP and BTF for my sports news and analysis), but I like the few things I've seen Tim Cowlishaw write about the Rangers.  And he was the most watchable person on Around the Horn (is that show still on?)

As for this:

how can a team, that has preached for years now the importance of developing pitching from within, who has drummed home to us that the Rangers will only succeed by building pitching from the farm system, turn around and trade what appears to be their most successful homegrown starter since Rick Helling for a one year rental?

Bingo.  As just about every non-NMLR board troll has agreed, it's simply unbelievable that the Rangers would trade a young, cheap, reasonably-successful starting pitcher after years of asking fans to wait for the young pitchers to develop.  Just unbelievable.

Man, I can't wait to see what Daniels says about this one.  I'm hoping to get an idea of what direction we're looking at for the next 3 or 4 years.

by alon91 on Dec 21, 2005 1:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Eaton?
Honestly who does this guy think he is? He hasn't even had his physical and I am already wanting to trade him away. Hell I will trade him away for another backup outfielder. The comment about deciding that it will take a lot of money to keep him here in Texas makes me want to vomit.

I HATE this trade.

by DIESCTBRS on Dec 21, 2005 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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