BP on the Rangers pitching

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 30, 2005 2:47 PM CST in News

BP has a write-up on the Rangers' new pitching acquisitions today (which includes some love for our friends over at The Newberg Report)...

Generally positive reviews, although they do point out that the loss of Rogers and Young hurts...

Update [2005-12-30 18:9:24 by Adam J. Morris]: -- Oops...had to fix the link. Thanks for pointing that out, shroom.

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Better link...

... if you need help getting to the BP Ranger notes ...

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4684

by shroomer on Dec 30, 2005 4:21 PM CST reply actions

thnx

That link worked a lot better.

Nice article.

Somebody's got to win the West in '06. Why not Texas???

by thedirkatron on Dec 30, 2005 4:40 PM CST up reply actions

RE

Guy overon the Rangers board says Rogers and Young will produce more for far cheaper in 06 than Millwood and Eaton

I'm trying to be pessimistic so I agree.

by Sharky on Dec 30, 2005 6:39 PM CST reply actions

re:

I don't know about Millwood and Eaton, but I'll that that Rogers and Young produce more than Padilla and Eaton, for about the same money.

by BurntOrange on Dec 30, 2005 7:16 PM CST reply actions

Rogers

I probably wouldn't have given him 2 years, $16 million.

I'd rather have Young than Eaton, though.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 30, 2005 9:33 PM CST up reply actions

Rogers

I think we could have signed him early, for less, had we pursued a strategy of trying to keep our best pitcher rather than running him off.

by BurntOrange on Dec 31, 2005 12:16 PM CST up reply actions

nah

doubt it

by Longhorn on Dec 30, 2005 9:50 PM CST up reply actions

As indicated from the press conference, whether we liked it or not in and of itself, the Young/Eaton trade probably helped influence Millwood to sign here. If that is in fact true, does anyone feel the need to change their opinion regarding the trade, if it was at least partially helped the Rangers land Millwood?

by trza on Dec 31, 2005 12:29 AM CST reply actions

I liked the Young/Eaton

Trade from the start. I think both Millwood and Eaton go hand in hand. If they both have a very good year here and the Rangers get in or close to the playoffs it might influnce Eaton to stay here along with Padilla. If that does happen it buys the Rangers another full year to year and a half for DVD to develope.

For the love of GOD sell the team Tom!

by boomer1 on Dec 31, 2005 12:52 AM CST reply actions

Rangers board guy says it better

If you didn't read it over there..guzzie?

>>uhm.....

How about a bunch of Bad moves....

Signing Kevin Millwood for way mor than his market value......which should have been around 8-9 million dollars. Garland just signed for 9 million a season wtih the sox, and Santana signed a 4/40 deal last off-season w the Twins. The Rangers will be Lucky if Millwood can pitch even 175 innings much less to 200 or 220. Plus how good will Millwood be in that Texas ballpark?

Trading Chris Young....this guy was young and looked like he was coming into his own as the best pitcher on the Texas staff. Along with prospect Gonzalez for Adam Eaton, who..... at best has been an average starter, in a PITCHERS PARK in the 'National League'. Not only is he more expensive/but is injury prone but he's NOT an upgrade at all....over the potential star Chris Young.

Trading Alfonso Soriano....uhm for Brad Wilkerson? Straight-up pretty much. Oh yeah they also got a Decent Prospect in Galaraga....and a throw in Sledge. Soriano was going to get traded, but they could have got alot more.... The Rangers didn't need a .250 leadoff hitter & a AA prospect who wont be ready for at least 2 more years. They could have done better......for Gods sake they were asking Lohse/Romero/Liriano from the Twins.....

Not re-signing Kenny Rogers, who was an All-Star and the teams best pitcher over the past 2 seasons.....aside from his run in with the Media, Rogers ALONE won the Rangers 10+ games last year.
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Bottom Line....
Rangers do not upgrade the Pitching staff with aquiring injury prone inconsistent starters in Eaton & Millwood. Rogers and Young production was/will be better and for half the price....

The Bullpen doesn't improve.....except maybe with the return of Fransico Corderro, but depth & overall talent is still a problem.

The Lineup is still going to hit Home-Runs, i mean they play half their games in Texas.
....However you lose 30 stolen-bases from the Lineup with the loss of Soriano.
....Add a Leadoff hitter with a carrer OBP .360 and push a simular hitter in Delucii out of the way...
....They still lack a true Catalyst at the Top of the Lineup(a guy who can hit for average/OBP, and steal bases) and they lack a 5 tool corner outfielder. Mench/Nix/Dellucii/Wilkerson....aren't exactly elite players.

by Sharky on Dec 31, 2005 1:52 AM CST reply actions

eh

Garland and Santana weren't free agents. If they were, Santana's deal would've been a lot more than that, and Garland's would've been similar to Millwood's.

The Twins did a real good job with the Santana contract.

by Dustin on Dec 31, 2005 12:09 PM CST up reply actions

Santana & Garland

Yes, the Twins did. 4/40 is a bargain for a player of Santana's ability.

And there's another reason Millwood likely got more than Garland: he's been a better pitcher. Millwood's had three seasons as good or better than the year Garland just had. He's also had better strikeout rates, better hit rates, and a better WHIP.

by RCCook on Dec 31, 2005 2:11 PM CST up reply actions

Santana

His contract was a product of his being two years away from free agency, and not having made a lot of money his first arbitration year.

His deal is:

2005 - $5.0 million
2006 - $8.75 million
2007 - $13.0 million (first free agent year)
2008 - $13.25 million (second free agent year)

As you can see, he's making a lot of money for the two years of free agency he gave up.

by BurntOrange on Dec 31, 2005 2:20 PM CST up reply actions

Market Value

I don't get it when you say way more for what his market value should be, when all that matters is what a players market value ACTUALLY IS. And Millwood had documented offers for 11mill per year.

If you're waiting for the Rangers to sign a number 1 starter for at or below "market value", good luck. Let me know when that works out for us.

Adam Eaton was en fuego before his finger injury.

Still not sure Chris Young was going to be a "star".

I don't feel like even replying to the Soriano part...

Did Randy Galloway write this?

Somebody's got to win the West in '06. Why not Texas???

by thedirkatron on Dec 31, 2005 7:32 PM CST up reply actions

Sori and his steals...

This has been bothering me ever since the pro's and con's of the Sori/Wilkerson trade started to pop-up.

Who gives a rip about Soriano's stolen bases? Why is this always brought up? Ok, he did steal 30 with only 2 caught stealing - that's great! But Soriano stole 20 of his 30 bases after the all-star break - when we were pretty much out of it. It seemed like he added a bunch of those late in games against teams like KC and Seattle, and usually when they didn't mean anything - which seems to be a Soriano trademark.

Unless you just read the NY Times headlines, you'd be able to figure this was a good trade. I know most everyone agrees with this - and disagrees with the above comments, but I'm tired of hearing about ALL of the "former New York Yankee's" stolen bases and this was a good opportunity to vent about that.

The Hammer will Return!!!

by TheHossMan on Jan 2, 2006 1:11 AM CST up reply actions