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Pitcher release points

Jeff Sullivan over at Lookout Landing has a really good piece on pitcher release points over at Baseball Analysts...

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looks like a pointless excercise
trying to analyze mechanics using one camera angle is limited at best...and I think he should focus on the elbow height rather than release point, or whether he opens his shoulder at foot plant as the game goes on, or consistency in stride length, etc.

by SteveP on Jan 19, 2006 1:47 PM CST reply actions  

Really Interesting
I'd love to see this approach expanded, to include variables that may clarify how pitchers like Santana or Pedro consistently get people out with less visible 'stuff' than some less successful pitchers.  Contrary to what one commenter said at Lookout, I'd think the ability to throw a curve, slider, splitter, sinker, or fast ball from identical release points would be a big advantage.  That is, you can't spot what pitch you are getting by watching the delivery.  If there is an update down the road, please notify .. I do get intrigued by some of the biomechanics of the game.

by Ed Coffin on Jan 19, 2006 1:50 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not sure about the Rangers
but I know the A's are big into video analysis of their pitchers. If you happen to go to their spring training workouts, you'll see them running tape at various angles on their bullpen sessions to analyze every portion of their delivery.

by SteveP on Jan 19, 2006 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Video Tape's Cheap
I would figure all teams do that.

by Dustin on Jan 19, 2006 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I imagine very few
would even know what to do with them.

by SteveP on Jan 20, 2006 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I bet they do
I know for a fact the Rangers and other teams watch film of themselves.  Every now and then it'll even get in the paper that a player in a deep slump is trying to get out of it by watching video with his coach.

I don't know how many organizations have developed an entire program, but I bet a few have.  It makes too much sense.

by Dustin on Jan 20, 2006 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

The king
"All Felix ever does is dominate".

Except when he gets lit up by the Rangers:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=250916113

Intersting article, though.

by trza on Jan 19, 2006 2:06 PM CST reply actions  

Hmmmm...
... if you were a team with some wherewithall, and you were familiar with the logistics of the Questec system, would it be in your interest to set up a Questec-like system in your ballpark, bullpen, and minor league facilities that tracked release point accuracy in a quest to find a developmental edge over your comp?

by shroomer on Jan 19, 2006 4:37 PM CST reply actions  

I don't know
Relative to Questech.  It seems what the A's do is shoot for consistency, pitcher by pitcher, some of whom have individual differences in setup, stretch, delivery including release.  Then, what 'is' optimum for each pitcher, individually.  Have to think there is no common prescription, rather an individual prescription.

In terms of training and readiness to compete, sounds like a good plan.  Since in-game, even in-season adjustments have to be made in minutes, don't know about how useful a full spectrum video analysis would be, in season.  However, anybody who is sent out for rehab or down for remedy might really benefit.

by Ed Coffin on Jan 19, 2006 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

It's "pre-hab"
My impression has been this:

The A's gather all the information regarding a pitcher's mechanics while they are healthy and effective.  That way, if the pitcher is injured or goes through a period of ineffectiveness, they have evidence of what the mechanics were like when all was well.  They can also identify the stresses, arm angles, etc. and come up with a reasonable workout regimen.

No A's starter has had a major elbow or shoulder injury in the past five years as far as I know.  The ones who come out of the A's minor league system are particularly healthy (arm-trouble wise), IIRC.

Visiting A's Fan - also from BTB, a sister SBN site.

by salb918 on Jan 19, 2006 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

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