Jovanny Cedeno

by a bebop a rebop on Oct 20, 2006 12:20 AM CDT

Whatever happened to him? I remember Steve Busby and whoever was with him on the KRLD post-game show back a few years ago being really excited about him and then I stopped following the game quite so closely for a while. When I came back, he had disappeared. Looking at his stats, it looks like injuries did it, but what exactly was so severe that he was never able to come back after a few innings 2003? It doesn't appear that he had any minor league stop that was less than stellar, although he only had a couple of years with decent sample sizes.

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Shoulder

Those are hard to fix.

Nobody cares about your fantasy or video game teams.

by Dustin on Oct 20, 2006 12:20 AM CDT reply actions

Cedeno

I think he had both Tommy John and a blown rotator cuff.

A real shame the injuries got him- he had a career 2.16 ERA in the minors, though he never made it past A-ball. I still have a ball he autographed at a Winter Carnival about five years ago.

by RCCook on Oct 20, 2006 12:21 AM CDT reply actions

I read somewhere

that he's completely out of baseball and now living in New York City living like a normal dude.

How different would the Rangers be if Cedeno and Mateo had hit? Those two had enormous ceilings, especially Mateo.

"No one obsesses over the Rangers." -Jean-Jacques Taylor, who apparently lives in a world where I don't exist.

by thedirkatron on Oct 20, 2006 12:38 AM CDT reply actions

If Cedeno had hit?

He was a pitcher. What difference would it have made if he had hit?

by mjh on Oct 20, 2006 5:19 AM CDT up reply actions

I believe he means...

had hit it off... reached potential... etc

by chase1971 on Oct 20, 2006 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions

Yup

Thought that was pretty obvious, too.

"No one obsesses over the Rangers." -Jean-Jacques Taylor, who apparently lives in a world where I don't exist.

by thedirkatron on Oct 20, 2006 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions

Before his injuries

I thought he was the most talented Rangers pitching prospect since Kevin Brown and Bobby Witt.

by Brett Perryman on Oct 20, 2006 1:29 AM CDT reply actions

Edwin Correa

Probably a better prospect than both Brown and Witt, particularly Witt.

At an age younger than Eric Hurley was this past season, he threw 200+ above average major league innings.

A tragic case of Bobby V riding a 20-year old too hard, too early.

by BurntOrange on Oct 20, 2006 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions

Correa

Correa was an excellent prospect, but I don't know why you always bring him up, because he never appeared in a minor league game for Texas. He was traded after he'd made his major league debut for the White Sox.

He would be like the Rangers trading for Delmon Young this winter and always talking about what a great prospect he was for the Rangers. They possessed him before his rookie status had expired, but just barely, and he'd never play in their minor league system.

by Brett Perryman on Oct 20, 2006 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions

Correa

I still consider him to be our prospect, even though we traded for him. His debut for the White Sox was about as substantive as the Wilson Alvarez debut for the Rangers.

by BurntOrange on Oct 20, 2006 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions

Edwin

Well, technically he was our prospect. I just don't tend to consider him because he didn't spend any time in the system. In Alvarez' case he spent a significant amount of time in their system after the trade. He went back and finished '89 in AA, split '90 between AA and AAA, and even spent most of '91 in AA again before ever getting called up for the White Sox.

by Brett Perryman on Oct 20, 2006 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions

Looking at the stats

It's hard to disagree with you. Dominant everywhere. Too bad about the creaky arm, I guess.

by a bebop a rebop on Oct 20, 2006 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions

Justin Thompson

I still get sad about his string of unsuccessful surgeries (no news to old original ESPN boardies).

I even (legitimately) offered to fly him nonrev to France for a dip at Lourdes. Wouldn't have helped, but would have made MLB news for the Rangers.

Someone in the media should do a retrospective on pitchers (or Ranger pitchers) Who were derailed along the way.

by Ed Coffin on Oct 20, 2006 12:29 PM CDT reply actions

retrospective

that would be a lot of pitchers, for any team. I guess you'd have to define how they were derailed, and at what point it happened.

by t ball on Oct 20, 2006 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions

TINSTAAPP

by SteveP on Oct 20, 2006 1:30 PM CDT reply actions

I'm tired of that saying

They pan out much less frequently and are much harder to project than hitters. That doesn't mean there aren't any prospects. That's like saying there is no such thing as a congressman, despite the fact that so few of them do anything worthwhile...

by t ball on Oct 20, 2006 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Yup

Should be "TINSTAACMPP". (There Is No Such Thing As A Can't Miss Pitching Prospect.)

But I guess that isn't as catchy since you can't really pronounce it.

"No one obsesses over the Rangers." -Jean-Jacques Taylor, who apparently lives in a world where I don't exist.

by thedirkatron on Oct 20, 2006 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree

No offense to anyone who uses it, because the intent is usually accurate, but it's gotten trite. There is such thing as a pitching prospect, as Justin Verlander, Joel Zumaya, Jonathan Papelbon, Anibal Sanchez, Jered Weaver, Josh Johnson, Matt Cain, Francisco Liriano, Chad Billingsley, Bobby Jenks, Scott Olsen, Jeremy Sowers, Chuck James, Jonathan Broxton, Cole Hamels and Tom Gorzelanny - all members of this spring's BA top 100 prospects - have already ALL shown, in only one year.

I think everyone or most everyone gets how high the attrition rate for pitchers is and how much more often top rated pitchers fail than top rated hitters. But if you had a few pitchers off of that top 100, I would suggest that you're pretty happy you did.

by Brett Perryman on Oct 20, 2006 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions

Well....

First, I think everyone agrees this was a great year for rookie pitchers, so I'm not sure that listing the ones who have worked out well this season is a very representative sample.

Secondly, for every Justin Verlander, there's a Jeff Neimann; for every Jered Weaver, there's a Philip Humber; for every Chad Billingsley, there's a Edwin Jackson; for every Scott Kamzir, there's a Greg Miller; for every Jonathan Papelbon, there's a Wade Townsend; etc.

by BurntOrange on Oct 20, 2006 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Absolutely

But the saying is that there is NO SUCH THING as a pitching prospect, not that pitching prospects are chancy or high risk. It's an overused, trite acronym. Dirkatron said it well. The saying should be that there is no such thing as a sure fire star pitching prospect.

by Brett Perryman on Oct 20, 2006 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions

sorry

"can't miss" not "sure fire"

by Brett Perryman on Oct 20, 2006 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions

re: Greg Miller

man that guy was LIGHTS OUT a few years ago

i root that he can make it to the bigs...and humber isnt doing too bad. i like how you pulled in the entire rice trio (humber, niemann, townsend) too lol

and the reds have had HORRIBLE luck with pitching prospects (ty whatshisname, bobby basham, etc) before they implemented the dual-starting pitcher program the rangers/a's used for a while

man. greg miller. amazing stats in AA as a 20 y/o wow

by knockoutking24 on Oct 22, 2006 5:17 AM CDT reply actions