One Defensive Metric's Gold Glove Winners....

by Requiem on Oct 30, 2006 3:31 AM CST Comment 23 comments

and

# are above average (RSpt is Runs Saved total, RS/150 is per 150 games)

Texas Players:

Player GP INN RSpt RS/150
Barajas 94 825.0 1 1
Teixeira 159 1399.0 2 2
Kinsler 119 1032.0 -3 -3
Blalock 122 1063.7 1 1
M Young 155 1356.3 4 4
Wilkerson 80 664.3 -5 -9
Matthews 142 1227.0 -8 -9
DeRosa 60 512.0 2 6
Mench 57 489.7 -6 -16
C Lee(MIL) 98 835.3 -3 -5

Some other notables:

Player GP INN RSpt RS/150
A Gonzalez 155 1341.0 5 5
Soriano 158 1374.7 5 5
D Roberts 116 970.0 14 19
Cameron 141 1244.0 8 9
Giles 158 1399.7 12 11
Pierre 162 1426.0 16 15
Lofton 120 961.0 -2 -3
V Wells 150 1290.3 12 13

Some comments.

Mike Young really improved a lot this year fielding-wise. Let's hope its for real.

GMJ, was not good for the year. OTOH, between the All-Star break and the end of the season his Runs Saved above average was 0..... So, he was better in the 2nd half. I still don't know if it's worth paying him the money as I'd rather get the picks, I think.

Kinsler did a passable job at 2B, but hopefully he'll get better as he learns the position more.

Adrian Gonzalez was an excellent fielding 1B as advertised.

Soriano did very well in LF. It's too bad we couldn't have the cajones to move him there.

Wilkerson and Mench were horrible in the outfield, while Lee in his MIL stint was bad (I don't have the Texas data, so I don't know if he was worse here).

San Diego's outfield was awesome. Given that Chris Young is an extreme flyball pitcher and Petco is a large park, I think it's safe to say that his numbers would not have been as good if he had pitched for Texas.

Finally, Wells' prowess on defense is one major reason I'd rather wait and sign him than GMJ.

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>>Finally, Wells' prowess on defense is one major reason I'd rather wait and sign him than GMJ.

No way.

That and more money can be wasted. A lot more. Like, really, really, lot. Like, 100 million dollars, on the low end.

For a .860 OPS best year crap fielding Wells.

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by Sharky on Oct 30, 2006 3:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Oh yeah....

One other player:

Everett

GP - 149
INN - 1292.3
RSpt - 27
RS/150 - 28

That's insane.

He was also highlighted by John Dewan in The Fielding Bible as being the best fielding SS in the game.

This makes it seem like he's at Ozzie-like levels....

I wonder if he keeps this up whether he can make it in just for his glove.... Probably not....

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by Requiem on Oct 30, 2006 3:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

BTW

That last player was just for Sharky :).

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by Requiem on Oct 30, 2006 3:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah well

No.

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by Sharky on Oct 30, 2006 3:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I've thought for a while

that he's the best defensive player in the game. It almost makes up for the fact that he's a god-awful hitter.

by Ian Cobb on Oct 30, 2006 4:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

I'm gonna have to say no on that.

Pretty sure uh, no. Not really uh, the best defensive player in the game. Not really, not even close, really.

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by Sharky on Oct 30, 2006 4:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wells career full seasons

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4166

Scary bad for a 120 million minimum contract player

Though I definitly see him demanding at least 7/140/no trade.

That's really scary. He's been barely above average only twice.

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by Sharky on Oct 30, 2006 3:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wow

That Duffy vid is kinda creepy now that I actually watched it LOL.

Okay really creepy.

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by Sharky on Oct 30, 2006 3:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Again, those stats have to be................

bullshit ! There is no way Carlos Lee is better defensively than GM, Jr (or anyone else for that matter)........also, how do they measure arm strength defensively ? How many guys don't run or take an extra base because of an OF arm, or vice versa ? Do they measure that ? That's why you still gotta watch 'em play !

by tklawless on Oct 30, 2006 10:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

It is relative...

...to position...

It isn't saying Lee is better defensively than GMJ. It is saying that he's not as far below average in left as GMJ is in center.

I still don't understand why there is such resistance to the idea that GMJ is not a great defensive centerfielder.

He's always been considered, throughout his career, to be like Gabe Kapler...someone who is strong defensively on a corner, but weak defensively in center.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 30, 2006 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Who cares what he has been considered

I am usually open to observing these stats and understanding a players true value and what he actually contributes. But come on...

Since I goto school in Kansas I can't watch every rangers game so I would estimate I only got to see about 60 games. The only thing I saw was GMJ keeping guys off the basepaths, and in some cases singlehandedly saving runs. I would take him over the majority of center fielders in the league.

by TexGoesYard on Oct 30, 2006 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

to the extent that

perception is reality, it doesn't matter. He's perceived as one of the top outfielders available and is going to get big $ from someone, probably not the Rangers.

by t ball on Oct 30, 2006 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

! sentences !

(why do you put spaces between your words and your punctuation marks ? )

by a bebop a rebop on Oct 30, 2006 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I watched

a documentary about Hitler writing a sequal to Mein Kampf on TiVo last night. In his manuscript, he used a space between the end of a sentence and his punctuation marks.

Coincidence?

by jtts on Oct 30, 2006 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs