OT: Let's give 2 cents credit for $30 million

by Iaanmte on Jun 8, 2006 9:07 PM CDT Comment 57 comments

Worth of effort.
switch off sarcasm

snip:
"Some Democrats, breaking ranks from their leadership, today said the death of terrorist leader Abu Musab Zarqawi in Iraq was a stunt to divert attention from an unpopular and hopeless war."

A stunt?!!
Military personnel are not political pawns.

Don't get me started. I see red I'm so mad at these democrat politicians.

here's link:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060608-041042-9038r.htm

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You know...

I hate to question the objectivity of the Moonie paper, but the quotes they include doesn't exactly support the contention that Dems were calling it a stunt.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 8, 2006 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

RIF

"'This is a good day for the Iraqi people, the U.S. military and our intelligence community," said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada."

"'That is good news; he was a dreadful, vicious person,' said Sen. Kent Conrad, North Dakota Democrat. Mr. Conrad added that he hopes the military can get Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri, another top al Qaeda leader.
'They're even more important,' he said."

"Officially, Democratic leaders reacted positively to the news and praised the troops that successfully targeted al Qaeda's leader in Iraq with 500-pound bombs at his safe house 30 miles from Baghdad."

Did we read the same article? And, are you aware of who the owner of the Washington Times is? Hint: his name rhymes with Pupert Nurdoch.

I have heard some far lefties make some truly offbase and unfair assertions in the current partisan atmosphere. That douchebag who compared Guantanamo to a Nazi camp comes to mind. I didn't see any of that in this article.

"I could be wrong-but I'm not." Dan Jenkins

by Brian Thomas on Jun 8, 2006 9:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Owner of the Washington Times

It isn't Murdoch.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 8, 2006 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's this guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverend_Moon

by RCCook on Jun 8, 2006 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What made you think I was talking about

Rupert Murdoch? Bad guesser...

"I could be wrong-but I'm not." Dan Jenkins

by Brian Thomas on Jun 8, 2006 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Is the post supposedly one of the two conservative papers?

I usually find the so-called conservative papers, aren't very.

by Sharky on Jun 8, 2006 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I mean

The Times.

by Sharky on Jun 8, 2006 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the times

its just weird. but yeah, recently its the more conservative one

by ab03 on Jun 8, 2006 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You wouldn't

if you come from the far right wing.

by Dustin on Jun 8, 2006 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You and I

are not being shot at in Iraq either.

The Rangers have a great start on this season. me

by Iaanmte on Jun 8, 2006 9:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

No, Bro, not currently.

But for the record, I am the troops...

"I could be wrong-but I'm not." Dan Jenkins

by Brian Thomas on Jun 8, 2006 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm a retired

13C cannon computerized fire direction NCO,
US Army. How about you?

The Rangers have a great start on this season. me

by Iaanmte on Jun 8, 2006 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Active duty Navy

I put warheads on foreheads...

"I could be wrong-but I'm not." Dan Jenkins

by Brian Thomas on Jun 8, 2006 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your Service

I commend you for it. Thank you.

"I could be wrong-but I'm not." Dan Jenkins

by Brian Thomas on Jun 8, 2006 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And while we are on the subject

What are your thoughts about Abu Ghraib? I find it ridiculous that no high level officers were punished. Only Karpinski, a reservist who obviously didn't fit in with your typical Officer culture.

Also, and please don't interpret my questions as attacking you or the typical soldier, I think of you guys as my brothers, what were your thoughts about the coverup of the Arizon safety Special Forces guy (sorry, I'm in a hurry, no time to look it up)?

"I could be wrong-but I'm not." Dan Jenkins

by Brian Thomas on Jun 8, 2006 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gutless Wonders

in the chain of command is how both those issues happen, and how we all get a black eye.

Abu Ghraib: It has become the "good morning" "good afternoon", and "good night" of the politically left pundits. There may be only a handfull of debates when the left leaning pundits are loosing that they will not bring up Abu Ghraib during the remainder of GW Bush's administration.

The Rangers have a great start on this season. me

by Iaanmte on Jun 8, 2006 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Abu Ghraib

I haven't really noticed that. I would consider it a pretty big deal, wouldn't you?

Common sense would dictate that it was a pretty handy recruitment tool for the insurgents and Al-Quaeda. I'd assert that the despicable handling of the scandal by Army Brass and, ultimately Rumsfeld, would definitely add a lot of fuel to the fire, as well.

How would you grade the job Donald Rumsfeld is doing? Seriously? Does he seem like the type of guy that has the remotest inkling what its like to be your average soldier/sailor/marine? Or cares?

And as for the "good morning, good afternoon" argument you cited, I really disagree. That sounds like the reactionary right, who answer every criticism of W with Clinton insults.

Need examples? "Mission Accomplished." "Bring it on." Consistent lies about warrantless wiretapping. "Brownie, you're doing a heckuva job." Not asking a single damn question about Katrina when briefed, then playing golf the day after the storm hits. Resisting the forming of the 911 comission, then saying that he would only testify with Cheney not under oath and with no notes being taken. The total flip-flop about the Plame leak. Relying on the time-tested soul glimpsing technique with regards to Putin. The war paying for itself. Signing statements that allege he is above constitutional law. Saying, "Fuck Saddam, we're taking him out," then repeatedly lying that "all options were still on the table" (pre-war). Oh, and WMD's.

Okay, I'm done being obnoxiously sanctimonious now.

"I could be wrong-but I'm not." Dan Jenkins

by Brian Thomas on Jun 9, 2006 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

weird

how is that even considered a newspaper.

you would hope that somewhere in there, the word "stunt" owuld appear, and not just because the writer of the article said it.

yeah, pete stark's quote doesn't sound great, but stunt makes it sound like he doesnt' believe it happened. thats seriously the worst editorializing of a non editorial article i've seen in a "mainstream" newspaper.

by ab03 on Jun 8, 2006 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Please

I guess you dont read the LA Times.

by Sharky on Jun 8, 2006 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

nope

i don't. i'm actually quite conformtable with my dot com news.

by ab03 on Jun 8, 2006 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Military personnel are not political pawns?

Bush "Mission Accomplished" clearly disagrees.

by PatrickWalz on Jun 8, 2006 10:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

To be frank.

I don't see how anyone can vote for a party that decides that this is the time to spend a week debating whether or not we should pass a gay marriage
amendment.

by PatrickWalz on Jun 8, 2006 11:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Because gays

can't procreate

by Longhorn on Jun 8, 2006 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is about the most idiotic reason.

Two 70 year olds can't procreate. Neither can a person who has had a hysterectomy. Or one of the countless people with vascectomies.

And those are just the reasons to oppose attempts to ban gay marriage. There are also plenty of reasons why you may feel that gay marriage is wrong but that it is a total waste of time for the Senate to be working on it.

by PatrickWalz on Jun 8, 2006 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

fags

fags, fags put 'em in bags!!!!!!!!
GO BUSH!!!!!!!
REPUBLICANS RULE!!!!

"Rangers Win, Rangers Win, RRRRRRRRRRRANGERS Win!!!" -Future Josh Lewin Quote

by dstar442005 on Jun 8, 2006 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ummmm

I'm going to assume this is a joke... right?

I loathe you, Buckles.

by thedirkatron on Jun 9, 2006 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Longhorn

Everybody has a right to be stupid, but you are abusing the privilege...

"I could be wrong-but I'm not." Dan Jenkins

by Brian Thomas on Jun 8, 2006 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Brian Thomas

shut the fuck up

by Longhorn on Jun 9, 2006 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dude

that was clever. Maybe you should stick to gay bashing.

I loathe you, Buckles.

by thedirkatron on Jun 9, 2006 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where did i bash gays?

by Longhorn on Jun 9, 2006 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

to be fair

he didn't bash gays. he just offered a dumbass justification for a policy that is favored by a lot of people who spend a lot of time bashing gays. he could support the ban out of a deeply felt desire to preserve the sanctity of britney's spears' marriage.

You're tough and I am tough, but who will write whose epitaph?

by tomwashere on Jun 9, 2006 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh

my bad then. Felt like a gay bash to me.

I loathe you, Buckles.

by thedirkatron on Jun 9, 2006 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And this coming

from an admitted bigot.

by Longhorn on Jun 9, 2006 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

re:

i think all the overt gay-bashing anyway was from the people's poet, or whatever he calls himself.

You're tough and I am tough, but who will write whose epitaph?

by tomwashere on Jun 9, 2006 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Awww, Longhorn

There you go trampling my self esteem again. I bet you are even tougher on the telephone...

"I could be wrong-but I'm not." Dan Jenkins

by Brian Thomas on Jun 9, 2006 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Poor Brian Thomas

im sorry you are a homosexual, but i'm not, so, please, target your own kind...And, hope it doesn't hurt too much when you try to sit.

by Longhorn on Jun 9, 2006 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

call me

"I could be wrong-but I'm not." Dan Jenkins

by Brian Thomas on Jun 9, 2006 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yay!

back to the gay bashing. are you in seventh grade?

Jackie was a rich punk rocker -- silver spoon and a paper plate

by trza on Jun 10, 2006 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

song

It's okay if you are straight, but it's not if you are gay.
We will put them in a big, giant barrell of hay.
We will get a guy for hire to set all the queers on fire.
Hope you have a good Christmas holiday.

"Rangers Win, Rangers Win, RRRRRRRRRRRANGERS Win!!!" -Future Josh Lewin Quote

by dstar442005 on Jun 8, 2006 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That's hate speech

by Dustin on Jun 8, 2006 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

uhhhh...

I hope you are joking? Or maybe you just have some seriously repressed homosexual desires that you are working out for us all here tonight? Either way, good luck.

Jackie was a rich punk rocker -- silver spoon and a paper plate

by trza on Jun 9, 2006 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's 15

he doesn't know any better. I'm guessing daddy didn't hug him enough.

Honeycomb's big! Yea, Yea, Yea! It's not small! No, No, No.

by Escher on Jun 9, 2006 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or....

Maybe Daddy hugged him a little too much.

by Chris Martin on Jun 9, 2006 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No political agenda in my wish

WHich is get bin Laden .. make it happen .. do it now .. secure the Taliban later ... stabilize Iraq later ... change parties in the oval office later ... keep moral clime and faith based intent out of government. But get Osama ASAP with no regard to borders or appeasement of anyone anywhere. Else this 68 year old ex-warrior may as his dying act have to go after him solo. Come to think of it, not a bad reason to die.

- ex GEEIA team chief

by Ed Coffin on Jun 9, 2006 2:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

get Osama...

word.

Jackie was a rich punk rocker -- silver spoon and a paper plate

by trza on Jun 9, 2006 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

meh...

I don't go to the Moonie Times for fair and balanced reporting. The fact that one idiot Democrat was mouthing off and saying stupid shit doesn't make much difference to me. I think that most Americans, whether D, R, or other are hopeful that the death of this thug improves the situation over there for the Iraqi people, and gets our troops home sooner. Unfortunately, some people who worship at the throne of Dubya are so desparate that they feel like they have to rub the death of a terrorist in the face of everyone else. We should all be in this together. But, I guess the W-worshiping automotauns are just following orders. I'm glad he's dead, but I'm sad that politics can't take a break for 24 hours. What can you do?

Jackie was a rich punk rocker -- silver spoon and a paper plate

by trza on Jun 9, 2006 3:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

everyone on here

has reasonable points, for the most part...well, except for something about "fags in bags" that one was confusing. I'm a conservative, not that I really want to talk all that much about politics on here with my fellow rangers fans.
I'm even a political science/economics double major, I just have no interest in discussing politics with strangers, who are likely already set in their views.
But for the sake of the fact that the conversation is going on...
I think most fellow conservatives will agree that Bush has failed us over the last 2 to 3 years. The war hasn't gone as smoothly as it could have, but I am not a total downer on it, I do believe the situation is getting better and that the world is better off given the potential of an islamic democracy in the middle east. I say an islamic democracy, because I don't expect an american democracy.
Anyways, most of us conservatives are not just cheerleaders for Bush anymore, that has been WAY overstated in the past few political threads. But for the most part, it probably still comes off that way, because we realize the importance of the Republican party winning (in our opinions!) and aren't all that willing to admit we're in a position of weakness. Oh well, ultimately, I just felt like making that point, that we're not all just drones. Besides, I'm a brainless and devout follower of my governor..JEB..YAY!!

Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Jun 9, 2006 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Polls

...would indicate that you're correct.

I disagree with you on Iraq, though. It was a mistake to go in there, and it's not getting any better. Democracy in Iraq is a pipedream. Long ago Europeans drew the borders there in order to keep them divided, and it has worked. Remember that they're not only going to get interference from themselves and us, but other regional powers, too.

Anything's possible, but it would take a lot more investment and political fortitude than this Administration's willing to dish out. Think on the scale of the Marshall Plan.

It's a long, dark tunnel and we can't even begin to see the light. Can't leave or it would be a failed state situation even worse than Afghanistan was. Can't ramp things up because the President has screwed around so long he no longer has the political capital he liked to talk about. The American people won't accept it. Other countries don't want to touch it with a 10 foot pole.

by Dustin on Jun 9, 2006 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

bush supporters

it's interesting to hear that conservatives are turning on bush, but he still gets about 30% support in the polls. if it's not conservatives who is it, besides sharky?

i agree meaningful democracy in iraq would be a beautiful thing, but a: as dusty says, it would be incredibly difficult to achieve and b: i don't think bush and co were ever serious about it if democracy means anything more than "people show up at the polls every now and then and get their thumbs died purple."

any popularly elected government in iraq is going to be very hostile to israel, very tight with iran, and is going to seek to keep a much higher percentage of their oil revenues than the bushies are comfortable with.

You're tough and I am tough, but who will write whose epitaph?

by tomwashere on Jun 9, 2006 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

30% Support

Just guessing, middle of the road types and independents, and a few who believe Bush and his initiatives are more the product of his backing than of the man himself. And I guess some independent thinkers who look at the alternative and fear it even more. Again, just guessing.

I want to classify my thoughts as middle of the road, but that's misleading .. most 'middlers' feel very strongly on each issue, but side with different parties depending on the issue.

by Ed Coffin on Jun 9, 2006 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My guess is its more of the

inbred toothless redneck Jesus freak vote than the middle of the road vote.

When Sharky thinks your wierd, your wierd -- Sharky

by DJCahill on Jun 10, 2006 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh...

so now we're bashing inbreds! wtf man!

Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Jun 10, 2006 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

polls

this poll shows him still at 52% among republicans, and 54% among self-identified conservatives. do you guys consider him a conservative? if not when did you stop?

You're tough and I am tough, but who will write whose epitaph?

by tomwashere on Jun 10, 2006 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i heard the phrase

"big government conservative" not too long ago. Thats Bush.

Not my favorite characteristic

Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Jun 10, 2006 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

critical thinking skills

The Washington times is full of it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-boehlert/the-washington-times-slim_b_22599.html

Jackie was a rich punk rocker -- silver spoon and a paper plate

by trza on Jun 9, 2006 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey Inaamte

If you are gonna post a diary, most of us would appreciate it if you actually answered some of the dissenting opinions. You did the same thing with that Michelle Malkin diary.

Why?

"I could be wrong-but I'm not." Dan Jenkins

by Brian Thomas on Jun 10, 2006 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs