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what do you think about the NMLR message board?

I'm curious to get the perspective of others LSB'ers.

For years I visited the NMLR board on a daily basis.  At some point a couple of years ago it jumped the shark, becoming full of trolls and flamewars.  I think it was a victim of its own success -- it became very popular and was very poorly moderated.

I periodically check the board to see how things are going there.  I thought the last couple of times had a reasonable level of civility, so maybe they're turning things around over there.

How many of you visit the board?  And Adam -- I've noticed that I'm not seeing any posts from you there.  Have you left that community?

The only thing that I truly miss from NMLR is reading Brian Hayes posts.  He and Adam were always my favorite contributers on that board.  They really should team up in running LSB -- the blog would then become truly unstoppable :)

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While I've often loved the baseball talk there...
The constant obsession with posters like Seven and a few others eventually got on my nerves. He leaves and apparently comes back under another name, and people spend way more time talking about that than actual baseball.

A lot of quality posters have been driven away lately and I think it's really taken away from the board. Some of those guys are here though, and for the most part, everyone seems to respect eachother. I enjoy that along with the intelligent baseball talk.

I've tended to stay away from the main Rangers board there lately. If I post there, it'll likely be in a game thread or on one of the minor league boards, which are outstanding.

by austintxhorn on Aug 24, 2006 11:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Eh
there's some people there that likes to beat the proverbial dead horse so it leads to a really boring cycle of posts. I think it'll recover as soon as those few guys move on.

The minor league coverage is still really good though. One thing NMLR has that LSB lacks is a lot of posters who live in OKC, Frisco, Clinton and other minor league cities. It's always cool to read first hand accounts.

Pass the Buck, Fire Showalter!

by FirebatM3 on Aug 24, 2006 11:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we got shroom
well, he probably posts over there, i'm not sure, but he's pretty much all we need. Hoss.

by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2006 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh
I appreciate what shroomer does, and I also appreciate that he gathers up all the boxscores for me. I also like the fact that guys like Zywica who listen to radio broadcasts in an effort to keep us informed, but all of those things aren't the same as hearing first hand accounts of a player's performance.
Pass the Buck, Fire Showalter!

by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2006 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AJM >>>> JN and MJH
IMO, that is why. No homerism, says it like it is. Not afraid to criticize and he also has more interesting opinions.

by Longhorn on Aug 24, 2006 11:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's two different
types of commentary. I think you mistake a bit of cynicism for objectivity. Adam has his own biases, just like I have mine and you (quite vocally) have yours. I don't think the difference betweem the two sites is the objectivity of the writers involved.
Pass the Buck, Fire Showalter!

by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2006 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah
Like Firebat said, it is two different things, and we each have our different styles.  I've compared it before to Baseball Prospectus and Baseball America...they cover some of the same stuff, but what they focus on is different, and the "voice" or style of the authors for each is different.

Hopefully, Rangers fans will read and enjoy the NMLR and LSB, because I think both have quality things to offer.

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 25, 2006 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing
that disappoints me most about the Newberg messageboard these days is probably that because it did gain popularity, the focus on the minors went away.

A few who have been interested in development for a long time post there, and a few others, but when I check it out lately, I don't find anything insightful on there that isn't said on here.

Right now, the site stats give just under 2% of the posts coming from the minor league forums. There are sometimes threads in the major league forums that involve prospects, but they almost always pertain to the major league club most directly.

Maybe I have good ole days syndrome, but I don't think it used to be like that.

And the reason that I hate that is that I can talk Rangers anywhere. Most of my friends who live around here are Rangers fans to some degree, some of them big ones. But very few people that I know well and am friends with know much or are interested in that side of things.

That, and they seem to share some of you guys' obsession with Danny Herrera and Tuglett.

by Brett Perryman on Aug 25, 2006 12:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe
the Tuglett obsession started at the Newberg place and then came here. It's still a good place to post and their minor league boards are actually very nice as most of the trolls stay far away from that area.
Pass the Buck, Fire Showalter!

by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2006 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that most of the Hulett love
came from the people who get all of their minor league information from MJH. Hulett appears to be Mike's favorite player and I think a lot of guys have taken a liking to him because of that. Just my theory on it.

by austintxhorn on Aug 25, 2006 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hardly
the kid got hot for awhile and I happily reported it;  he's a very very very very fringy prospect

by mjh on Aug 25, 2006 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BPH
Brian Hayes is in fact still around.  And yes, he's one of the best.

There's only one NMLR poster that I ever wished would disappear (someone who I don't think ever posted at LSB) -- and it appears I got my wish.

By the way, I, too, wish we'd see more of Adam back at NMLR.  

by Jamey Newberg on Aug 25, 2006 6:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Posting at NMLR
I decided to take a break from posting over there for a while...I felt like I was butting heads with the same couple of people over the same couple of issues time and again, and felt it was getting distracting (and not much fun for me)...

by Adam J. Morris on Aug 25, 2006 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Opinon
Is that there is only so much you can say about the Rangers, and hence it starts up a bad cycle of the same things over and over.  I mean how many times do you need to discuss the Soriano or San Diego trade to form an opinion?

With the blog format, and diaries, things tend to get discussed and then they go away.  I am not sure why that happens, but probably pertains to so many different threads at NMLR.  In that respect I definitely prefer that you discuss a topic, agree or disagree, and move on for the most part.

I do like that at NMLR the topics are broken up.  On the board that was just changed from it became convoluted, because EVERYTHING was posted in the Rangers forum.  It seems to be swinging back to posting in the minor league forums, but it takes time.  I prefer that format a LOT more than having a running list of diaries.

So I guess each to their own.  I miss the post from BPH (still post but not as much), Cahill, Adam, and some of the other guys that have set up shop over here.  It all comes in a circle though, and it seems the NMLR has now gone from 90% critical/bitching about everything to more on the cheerleader side.  I prefer in the middle somewhere.

I like both sites, and hit them both with regularity.  And I agree, with I think Zywica that said, my favorite thing about NMLR has been the minor league information.  I wish there was more of that.

by Mike Simonek on Aug 25, 2006 8:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

changes
I think the change in Jamey's coverage reflects the passage of time - in the early years of the NMLR, most of those players that he covered so passionately are now either on the big league team, or have moved on to other organizations.  He followed Blalock, MY, Tex, etc. as they joined the organization and moved up the ladder, and, naturally his passion is still with them.  This makes perfect sense to me, of course the whole point of the minor league system is to make the ml team successful.  That said, occasionally his reports seem to include very little about the minor leagues, almost an afterthought, but I still enjoy reading them.

Also, the system doesn't have as many big time prospects to get excited about.  Anyway, I'm glad we have the embarassment of riches of both the NMLR and LSB.  It's almost enough to make lawyer jokes go away...

by t ball on Aug 25, 2006 9:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i think
that is by design.  Mike handles the minor league side, while Jamey focuses on the major leagues.  I think

by Mike Simonek on Aug 25, 2006 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer posting here.
In all honesty, what has largely turned me away from the NMLR boards is the thin skin that many of the posters have.  You can't have an honest disagreement without getting insulted.  Here, if you disagree with Adam's opinion, there aren't 10 or 12 guys jumping you for insulting Adam personally or belittling his "free" work--and that happens all of the time on the NMLR boards if you dare disagree with Jamey or Mike.  That business go exceptionally old.  So I still lurk and post over at NMLR on occasion, but mostly I stick to LSB.

And again, I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, these are just my honest observations.

by Athos on Aug 25, 2006 9:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Newberg
I've never gotten into commenting on the message board, but I appreciate getting the Jamey's and MJH's newsletters in my inbox. Echoing Adam's comments, I appreciate the different voice that both he and Jamey employ in their writings, and I identify with and am entertained by both in different ways. I consider myself lucky as a Rangers fan to have access to both writers (one of the few things that I feel lucky about with respect to being a Rangers fan).
You might think I'm crazy. I agree with you.

by trza on Aug 25, 2006 10:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

word
  From my perspective, it's a pretty much perfect mix, I think. Some days, as a Ranger fan, I need Jamey's unabashed exuberance to pick me up and put me in my baseball happy place. And while he doesn't bat 1.000 with them, I generally like his side-stories, anecdotes, and analogies, in large part because we are about the same age, and so the cultural references  tend to make me nostalgic. That "Nouveau Report" was genius (And it still cracks me up that more than a handful of people thought it was real).

  Other days, Adam fits the bill, because he is usually maddeningly logical (and thorough) in his dissection of all possible implications for the Rangers and Baseball in general. He thinks of almost everything you would have thought of before you do, and then he goes and thinks of a couple dozen more things that never would have occurred to most of us slightly less curious baseball fans.  Adam can make you lazy-he's probably siphoning more than a few advertising dollars away from DFW.com and its ilk. And he's pretty damn funny at times, too.

   Mike I find a little harder to categorize, but I like him the best. This year, the prospect reports haven't been near as much fun as in the past, because, IMO, there just aren't that many players to get up about (That's not his fault, of course). But I can't think of a single "plus" piece he has done in the last couple of years that hasn't made me smarter. That revenue breakdown was more thoroughly researched than you can expect from a pro, no?. I've never met Mike (or Jamey or Adam), but I guess part of me kind of likes the idea that he is irritable and has a low tolerance for bullshit in people. I crack up when I think of the time he wrote about going out with his daughter instead of his wife because she was going to a wedding of ex-coworkers who "he had absolutely no use for."

  OK, sorry about the essay.  

Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Aug 25, 2006 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LSB vs. NMLR
I enjoy the writings of all three guys (MJH, JN, Adam).  I love that they are all a little different in style and opinion.  

As for the boards...When I discovered this "world" a few years ago Adam was using the old blog format which I never posted on (was it even possible...I assume yes).  I was mostly a lurker on NMLR but would post every now and then.  Once Adam switched to this blog I started to come here almost exclusively.  I get JN and MJH's emails but I rarely go to that board.  I prefer this one.  Format is one reason.  I prefer the diaries.  

What started as a preference in format has morphed into enjoying this community.  

by bdavison94 on Aug 25, 2006 10:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The joy of Rangers talk
I really enjoyed the NMLR messageboard 2-3 years ago, but its quality has declined (or rather the quality of the posters).  I now spend more time over here.  That said, as someone stranded overseas who never gets to SEE Rangers' baseball anymore, discovering NMLR abour five years ago and Adam's blog a couple of years ago were a fantastic way to keep the team in my life.

If not for the work Adam and Jamey's team do (and for the interesting posts I've read over the years at both boards), I probably would have lost my love for the game and the team, which would have been a real shame since baseball's about the only constant detail in my life connected to the States anymore.

by rodinuk on Aug 25, 2006 11:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree....
I have always loved the Rangers.  I have always been a baseball fan.  

I am a better fan because of those three guys though.  They have all increased the depth to which I follow this team.  Through them I have found posters here that have added yet another layer to that depth.  

by bdavison94 on Aug 25, 2006 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have to admit
It's Adam that makes me come here, especially when Buck does something stupid and drives him nuts...kinda like the guy you purposely make angry because when he erupts it's funny.
Fire Buck, release Dickey, stop extending Hart and tear down the Gold Club glass!

by Taylor on Aug 25, 2006 12:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Baseball Enthusiasts (AJM) vs Ranger Fans (NMLR)
I deleted my account and stopped going to NMLR after (nearly) the last interesting poster was driven off, ie Seven.  He was a bit of a crank, but he had strong fact-based opinions that were free of the typical "local bias" that I get sick of reading over and over and over.  NMLR has become a cheerleading forum where every win brings posts of "sign Derosa immediately!" or "we're really close if [insert statistically improbable event]" and every loss brings out the gloom and doom.

As a lifelong Ranger enthusiast (since '79), I'd rather discuss the realities of the current makeup of the team and what moves they could make to get better given the marketplace and the current management's makeup.  Defending this or that hometown favorite player or bashing/defending management is just plain boring to me, and borders on office hen gossip.  

Ultimately I come here for baseball insight - I don't find that much on NMLR anymore (Jamey and MJH excluded).  

by zackaryl on Aug 25, 2006 12:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry
but if Seven was your paragon of an interesting poster with fact-supported opinions you're either
delussional or a member of seven's immediate family. He was probably the reason that the board went to shit because he (and several others) decided to post the same inane topics that led to the same inane discussion over and over again.

The board now is much like the board here. SOme news, a little minors dicussion and some random topics. I don't see that big of a difference between the two.

Pass the Buck, Fire Showalter!

by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2006 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he wasn't the paragon
but he was at least interesting.  and he was mostly right about the Rangers this year.

by zackaryl on Aug 25, 2006 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
he just hammered the two points he was right about until it seemed like he could do no wrong. You don't see him mentioning the whole Benoit for closer debacle much do you?
Pass the Buck, Fire Showalter!

by FirebatM3 on Aug 25, 2006 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that he was annoying
but I think people just needed to ignore him and he would eventually go away. The reason that he kept saying the same stuff over and over was because he knew it would get a rise out of people. People obsessed over him and I think that's what he wanted.

by austintxhorn on Aug 25, 2006 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enjoy, appreciate, let it go
First, I vehemently disagree with different people at different times on different topics.

Second, it isn't necessary to post that disagreement when it either pours gasoline on a fire, or takes sides in a mindset brouhaha.

Finally, pointed picking at some point in context is simply a message board and blog 'biohazard'.

Eventually the users trend toward those who either must have the last word in disagreements, or leave in a snit over a perceived slight or disrespect.  

Really, why let board conduct or attitudes bother you?  Ideally these media would not need moderators or an administrator - to keep out excess profanity/vulgarity/obscenity, to delete commercial solicitations, to ban or block users who post links to porn or other unsavory stuff.

But it's not an ideal internet.  I guess threats on another person should be chased down and reported, just like violations of privacy or intrustion into another poster's workplace.  

Both LSB and the NMLR and email by subscription certainly help me keep up, and IMO many 'just opinions' do make you think and add to your perspective on the Rangers and baseball itself.

I'm going to have less and less time to read or post in the coming months, but would never just 'quit' either venue.  Both are great for my purposes, getting information and sharing ideas.

I do wish the snert factor at NMLR board would diminish, particularly in the gameday threads.  But I'm not there enough to register a valid complaint.  

Final thought: Thanks Adam, Thanks Jamey you both add the the limited quality I get from following Ranger baseball.

by Ed Coffin on Aug 25, 2006 4:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts...
I tend to read forums that Adam posts in, because I live in Fort Worth and he lives in Houston and we don't see a whole lot of each other, so that's one of the ways I keep in contact with what he's thinking about things.  As a result, I read the NMLR boards when Adam was posting over there, but don't anymore.

I tend to get a little irritated with Mike and Jamey's respective styles, for a number of reasons, but mostly for the same reason that Holden Caulfield didn't like the piano player at the bar he was hanging out in his first night back in NYC.  It's just too tricked up.  Sometimes, it's best just to say "The Rangers are playing like shit" instead of "Changing Max's diaper today, I realized a profound truth about the Rangers..."  That's not to say I don't like Jamey, because he seems like an earnest, hardworking guy.  I just don't like his writing style.

For the record, I didn't "attack" Mike on Adam's instructions because I view him as some sort of "competition" for Adam.  I'd probably rather Adam fail miserably at writing because I think I'm better at it and I don't want him bogarting the little success that God sees fit to ration to our family.

by benmor78 on Aug 26, 2006 3:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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