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Juan Pierre insanity

Juan Pierre is a free agent after the season, and I've been fearing that we'd have an offseason of folks clamoring for the Rangers to give him a big deal, claiming that he'd give the Rangers the speedy leadoff hitting centerfielder they've long needed, ignoring the fact that Pierre is not a good player.

However, the Chicago Tribune is reporting that the Cubs are hoping to lock him up before he hits the open market.  The article includes this remarkable comment:

Soon Pierre will get a chance to compare himself with Furcal, and the Cubs will have to determine whether he deserves a contract similar to that in length and value. Though Pierre is unlikely to get $13 million a year, he might be able to double his salary of $5.75 million on the open market, especially with few quality leadoff hitters available.

The idea of Juan Pierre getting $11.5 million per year makes my head hurt.  Yes, the guy is fast...but he has no power, isn't a great defensive centerfielder, and is currently working on his second straight season with a sub-.330 OBP, meaning he's a pretty lousy leadoff hitter, as well.

Hopefully, the Cubs will spend a lot of money to lock Pierre up, so that the Rangers won't end up signing him, and so I won't have to spend the winter hearing people braying about how the Rangers need to go get him...

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there is no reason for the rangers to make any attempt at all to sign him.  freddy guzman runs real fast and that is all pierre does to.

by stoney022 on Aug 7, 2006 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Plus we wont have the money to sign pierre
When we lock up carlos lee and another top rotation pitcher.

by TexGoesYard on Aug 7, 2006 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Player value
i wonder if you can add all his SBs to his singles, so for calculation purposes, you'll get doubles...and see what his SLG% would be then? Just a thought for people who do value him higly to see what kind of overall OPS comes of that...

So his SLG% would be Total Bases(including SBs-CSs) / ABs

I dunno, maybe for him, cause i think he gets caught stealing a lot, it really wouldn't matter...

His does get OB about 35% of the time for his career which isn't that bad...No way he's a 11 mil player though.

by Longhorn on Aug 7, 2006 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

For what its worth
EQA adjusts for Stolen bases and caught stealing.

(H + TB + 1.5*(BB + HBP + SB) + SH + SF)/ (AB + BB + HBP + SH + SF + CS + SB) gives you Raw EqA, which is then adjusted for park and league to give you EqA.

Baseball wives are leeches. ... They're just hookers on retainer. -- Rangerchick

by DJCahill on Aug 7, 2006 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pierre is
a glorified Tom Goodwin.  I mean I know that is hyperbole but that just punctuates how much I hope the Rangers do not go after Pierre.

Im just fine with GMJ hitting leadoff, but lets say this year for him is more the exception than the rule (very possible, but I think something in between is more accurate) I will have no problem eventually slotting Kinlser into the leadoff spot.

Honestly, I know this is really in the future but I hope the Rangers dont blow too much money this summer so they can make a very hard run at Vernon Wells the next summer.

by booyahcaveman on Aug 7, 2006 12:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I read that article this morning
and thought about making it a diary.  The reason the Cubs suck is because they sign guys like Juan Pierre and Jacque Jones.  The thought that Pierre might get anything more than a couple million for one year is insane.  Just because a guy hits leadoff that doesn't make him a leadoff hitter.  I'll take GMJ in a heartbeat.

by pblack on Aug 7, 2006 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

pierre
i'd rather roll with guzman than sign pierre to a high dollar deal.
Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!

by rentz on Aug 7, 2006 2:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Guzman
There's no doubt in my mind that Guzman can hit around a .696 OPS, steal 39 bases, and play a great center field.

by austintxhorn on Aug 7, 2006 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder...
...if that article is actually a sublime piece of satire.

by Lucas on Aug 7, 2006 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh noes
I drafted Pierre in fantasy. I then traded him for Rich Harden.

by mdickson on Aug 7, 2006 3:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Pierre does
know how to rap.... I think the Rangers really need to see what the price if on Wells this offseason and pull the trigger...
Not all is Wells...

by miles on Aug 7, 2006 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

comparisons....
Player 1
AVG .312 | HR 2 | RBI 29  | OBP .391 | SLG .432  

Player 2
AVG .276 | HR 1 | RBI 25  | OBP .323 | SLG .373  

Which one would you rather have?  

Player on is Dave Roberts and two is Juan Pierre.  You can have Dave Roberts for about 7 million less....

Not all is Wells...

by miles on Aug 7, 2006 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

comparison
you also have to take into account roberts has fewer ab's as he sits a lot against lefties and during daygames.
Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!

by rentz on Aug 7, 2006 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

x
I kno, its like 88 to 111.  Both really low at bats...
Not all is Wells...

by miles on Aug 7, 2006 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's like
paying $50,000 for a Yugo

by t ball on Aug 7, 2006 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

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