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OT: Governor Election

This is shaping up to be at least a semi-interesting election. Who's going to win and who do you support?

                                           

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don't know who'll win
but i support kinky
"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 2:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Perry will probably win
I haven't bother to look at any polls, though, so I could be wrong.  I'll vote for the democratic guy even though he doesn't stand a chance.

In regards to the Grandma, I will say that I don't like it when people run as an independent only because they can't win their party's primary.  Perry's such a big pile of steaming shit that I can understand her decision, but I think she should've waited until his term was up.

I feel the same way about Lieberman, too, but what he's doing is actually worse.  Sore loser.

Nobody cares about your fantasy or video game teams.

by Dustin on Sep 25, 2006 2:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

She
may be dead by then.
"Stubbornness is usually considered a negative, but I think that trait has been a positive for me." ~ Cal Ripken Jr

by kwellborn on Sep 26, 2006 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think
Kinky will win.  He has hired Jessie Ventura's campaign manager.  And Jessie himself is headed down to Texas to help him campaign.  Not that those guys will make a huge impact, but I think people here in Texas are tired of politicians.  

I support Kinky, even though I don't agree with all of his viewpoints, etc... but at least he's straight, honest, and trying to do the right thing.

I think legalizing casinos and sending all the profits to education is genius.

BRAWLFEST 2006! F the Angels!

by ortonius on Sep 25, 2006 2:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kinky
I know I don't want to live anywhere near a casino.  Does anybody else feel the same way or am I alone on that?

And I don't think people in Texas are tired of politicians.  This is a very GOP-friendly state.

Nobody cares about your fantasy or video game teams.

by Dustin on Sep 25, 2006 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope
Education never gets a boost from those sorts of things... they still get the same amount of money, it's just that the money comes from a different source, which is asinine.
"If you are going to type stupid shit, you should at least spell it right." -trza

by thedirkatron on Sep 25, 2006 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gov. race
i think perry wins unfortunately, but i'm pulling for kinky, if anything we can then all say the governor of texas is kinky
Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!

by rentz on Sep 25, 2006 3:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ABP
Anyone Besides Perry. I'm tired of my state being run by fundamentalist Christians.

by RCCook on Sep 25, 2006 3:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen!
...er, I mean, right on!

by t ball on Sep 25, 2006 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny
Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 25, 2006 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x
Well, I wouldn't look for it to change anytime soon.  
Nobody cares about your fantasy or video game teams.

by Dustin on Sep 25, 2006 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What
What, exactly, has Perry done that is fundamental Christian?

by jf55510 on Sep 25, 2006 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perry
Well, there was the signing of the anti-gay marriage bill in a church...

The state GOP is overrun with fundamentalists, particularly of the Christian Reconstructionist variety. Google a fellow named David Barton- he's the #2 man in the Texas Republican Party.

The Texas Republican party platform also affirms that they believe America to be a "Christian nation," which is fundie-speak for "we think the Bible outweighs the Constitution."

by RCCook on Sep 25, 2006 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anti-gay bill
i know a lot of non-chirstians who are for that, not sure that's JUST a christian platform...

by Longhorn on Sep 25, 2006 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True
But Perry signed it at a church, with a lot of "God has spoken on this issue" rhetoric accompanying the signing.

I'd just like a governor who doesn't put his religion before everything else- it's divisive, and creates an atmosphere where many non-Christians (myself included) are made to feel like second-class citizens, IMO.

by RCCook on Sep 25, 2006 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny for a polesmoker
to take that position.
Baseball wives are leeches. ... They're just hookers on retainer. -- Rangerchick

by DJCahill on Sep 25, 2006 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
Yeah, I've heard the "Rick Perry is gay" rumors too. Personally, I'd love nothing more than to see a bunch of the Christian Right leadership caught in a gay orgy. Those folks are more obsessed with gay sex than most gay people...

by RCCook on Sep 25, 2006 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?
Do you always root for the destruction of people?  It's like saying I love watching teachers get caught molesting students if you hated teachers.
"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't aware
I had a reputation for rooting for the downfall of people.

I despise Christian fundamentalists, because I think they're liars, hypocrites, busybodies, and hatemongers (as a general rule) and because I think many of them would like nothing better than to turn our democracy into a theocracy.
I think they're hurtful to both religion and the American way of life, two things that I think can be a positive force for good in people's lives.

Mostly, I just don't like people who think it's their duty to tell me (or others) how to live my life, and who stick their noses where it's not welcome. Maybe I do enjoy the thought of seeing people like James Dobson caught in a gay orgy just a little too much, but when people like that obsess so heavily over other people's sex lives, it does make you wonder what their motivation is.

Not to mention that there's a certain amount of irony in seeing a moralizing busybody caught sinning themselves, a la Jim Bakker.

by RCCook on Sep 25, 2006 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just described
not only Christians...but everybody else in the world.

We're all liars, hypocrites, hatemongers, etc.

I'd agree that most voices you hear from the Christian fundamentalists are wrong and moronic.  But that shows that they don't understand Christ's fundamental teaching of love.  They're often pursuing status rather than what they claim they're seeking.  If they knew their Bible they'd see that Christ never sought to create a Christian government.  

The fact is though, everyone wants to tell you how to live your life.  If you don't want that, you'll probably have to become a monk...but wait, even then you're being told how to live.

"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

downfall people-rooter evil blasphemer
Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 25, 2006 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
It's not like that at all, and you know it. Molesting children is WRONG, gay sex is a choice made by consenting adults. You comparing the two makes you look very, very dumb.
"If you are going to type stupid shit, you should at least spell it right." -trza

by thedirkatron on Sep 25, 2006 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's an idiot platform
...and the Christians don't have a monopoly on the idiots.
Nobody cares about your fantasy or video game teams.

by Dustin on Sep 25, 2006 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not an idiot platform.
It's an emotionally-driven one.  On both sides.

I don't think we should push Christian morals on what has evolved into a very non-Christian nation.

Although I think gay-marriage is wrong, I don't see why you could tell two people they can't legally be together.  Unless you want to attack it from a "health of the people of our nation" side.  

However, if gay-marriage is legalized, there should definitely be requirements to carry cards if you have STDs...especially AIDS.  Prospective employers should have the right to know - and more importantly teachers should know if their kids have stuff like that.

"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gay marriage
"However, if gay-marriage is legalized, there should definitely be requirements to carry cards if you have STDs...especially AIDS.  Prospective employers should have the right to know - and more importantly teachers should know if their kids have stuff like that."

I'm not married, and never have been, but isn't a blood test part of the requirement for getting a marriage license currently?

by RCCook on Sep 25, 2006 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure.
And I was just married 3 years ago!  I should know.  But still I think gays should be consistenly tested, just like everyone arrested, and immigrants from 3rd world countries...simply because they're very much more at risk for carrying diseases
"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Yah, and they should have to wear big yellow hats so that we can tell them apart from the "normals" and so that we don't have people like that trying to drink from our "normal" drinking fountains or trying to come into our "normal folk" bars and eateries. In fact, lets just confine "them" all to an island somewhere and light them on fire to see how high the smoke goes.

I'm going to stop writing now.

I was being sarcastic. Please tell me you were too.

"If you are going to type stupid shit, you should at least spell it right." -trza

by thedirkatron on Sep 25, 2006 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's cruel
don't you know big yellow hats don't match up well with Fall colors?

Meanie!

Buck Showalter's trophy kills: A-Rod, Fuson, Hart, Nix, Mench, Dominguez, 2006 Rangers(???)

by Taylor on Sep 29, 2006 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no
it is not.
"Stubbornness is usually considered a negative, but I think that trait has been a positive for me." ~ Cal Ripken Jr

by kwellborn on Sep 26, 2006 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

orton 1227
  Could you please elaborate on your last paragraph? Specifically this statement:

"However, if gay-marriage is legalized, there should definitely be requirements to carry cards if you have STDs...especially AIDS."

And what is this "health of the people of our nation" argument you speak of?

Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 25, 2006 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think...
that we should try to protect the people of our nation from possible outbreaks or just disease in general?
"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gay marriage
"We should try to protect the people of our nation from possible outbreaks or just disease in general?"

How, exactly, is legalized gay marriage going to cause a marked increase in "outbreaks and disease in general?"

Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 25, 2006 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's put it this way...
Wouldn't you like to know if your babysitter has AIDS?

Wouldn't you like to know what kids on your kid's soccer team has AIDS?

Wouldn't you like to know that your next-door neighbor has AIDS for your kids sake?

It just protection.  It's not alienation.  Someone having AIDS wouldn't stop me from becoming friends with someone.  But I'd like to know so that we can prevent an epidemic, protect my kids, etc.

"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To answer your questions...
Not particularly.

Not particularly.

And not particularly.

I don't see how knowing that any of those folks have AIDS is "protection", unless there are things that are going on at youth soccer games that are well beyond anything that I experienced when I was in youth soccer.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 25, 2006 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, and I don't understand that.
Like I said, I have nothing against people that have AIDS or any other STD.  In fact, a friend of mine lost her dad to AIDS.

But as a father I'd like to be aware of the possible dangers around my kid.  For example, I'd like to know if my kid goes over to someone's house, they don't have any guns easily accessible (like on a rack) or any blow lying around or paintball guns or anything that I'd need to talk to my kid about.  I'd like to be able to tell my kid that they need to be careful not to come in contact with a person's toothbrush or whatever if their friend has AIDS.

"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x
Even though your child couldn't contract AIDS that way...

by mdickson on Sep 25, 2006 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay...
I'd like to be able to tell my kid that they need to be careful not to come in contact with a person's toothbrush or whatever if their friend has AIDS.

That's not how AIDS is transmitted.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 25, 2006 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There
There have been many cases of AIDS being contracted thru toothbrushes.  Blood particles will get into the brush from brushing the gums too hard.  It's common enough.
"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?
There are "many cases of AIDS being contracted thru toothbrushes?"

What is your source on that?

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 25, 2006 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No there aren't
It's theoretically possible to contract HIV that way, but is extremely unlikely.
Nobody cares about your fantasy or video game teams.

by Dustin on Sep 25, 2006 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually
My wife is a health teacher and we were discussing it last month.  It's in the textbook.

In fact you'll find it as well on this page from webmd:

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/5/1680_50231.htm

"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, you must be really worried about
Your future kid having unprotected sex or swapping blood with someone infected with HIV.

by hiafex on Sep 25, 2006 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not worried.
But I'd like to be able to warn him against things kids can easily get into.  Not sex, but things found in the house or whatever.
"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why
would you use someone else's toothbrush?

by t ball on Sep 25, 2006 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and
is sharing a toothbrush a matter of importance to the governor?

by t ball on Sep 25, 2006 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"You have a bloody mouth Junior
Don't you dare go over to that boy's house and start sucking on his toothbrush."

by hiafex on Sep 25, 2006 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey
Kids do things without thinking.  We used to use the same toothbrush growing up.  If they're not warned, they won't think anything about it.
"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this seems fitting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdsTUcuD7YA
Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!

by rentz on Sep 25, 2006 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: gay marriage
"However, if gay-marriage is legalized, there should definitely be requirements to carry cards if you have STDs...especially AIDS.  Prospective employers should have the right to know - and more importantly teachers should know if their kids have stuff like that."

so you want to get rid of fundamental rights to privacy?

Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!

by rentz on Sep 25, 2006 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would they have a right to know...........
if you run around on your wife......where does their "right to know" end ?

by tklawless on Sep 26, 2006 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Riiiiiiiiiight
whatever makes you sleep at night. now, shut it.

by Longhorn on Sep 25, 2006 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Longhorn: non-christians that are for that?
Like you? No surprise.

While it might not be "JUST a Christian  platform," I can assure you that 99% of the funding and 99% of the rhetoric originates from southern fundamentalist baptists, the same group of deep thinkers who claim there is a "War on Christmas" and other equally absurd allegations.

This is one issue that Kinky NAILS (they have a right to be as miserable as the rest of us). I mean seriously, why would you give a flying fuck what 2 consenting adults want to do with their own lives? It doesn't affect you. At all.

Ever had a gay friend, Longhorn? They're not contagious.

Also, I think your choice of title says alot.

Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 25, 2006 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: this whole conversation...
i don't like the argument that gay-marriage will increase the spread of disease.  you can argue how monogamous homosexuals are in general all you want...but i have trouble thinking that allowing people to come together will spread diseases.
everyone should be tested.  testing gays as they get married would be pretty limited, and wouldn't nail down the deviants.  i could be way off since i'm 20 and haven't been married, but don't straight couples get blood tested to make sure their blood types are compatible for child bearing (rare blood types aren't compatible, or something like that)...not sure if they would do STD tests at the same time.

all of that being said...i do not support gay-marriage.  it is strictly from a religious perspective in which i don't think the term marriage is necessary.  no point in debating this with anyone, because i won't change your mind, and you won't change mine.  and i'm not close-minded on this either...a lot of liberals are close-minded to my comments and jump right to the word "bigot".  
i don't think there should be a US constitutional amendment to ban gay-marriage, but i do think that if the majority of voters in a state want to they should be able to.
finally, i don't oppose civil unions.

Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Sep 25, 2006 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.
i went to school in Austin.

Now, you can shut up.

by Longhorn on Sep 25, 2006 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I repeat
  I bet you get laid alot.

  Just a question...

Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 25, 2006 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
The problem is that everyone has a moral/ethical paradigm that is how they see the world.  And decisions on what side to take on issues will be drawn from said paradigm.  So whether a person is a Christian or not, they're still going to do what they believe in.  I'd not like to have someone who believes in UFOs.  I'd not like to have someone sign a pro-gay marriage bill in a hot tub club.  

That being said, I'm tired of Perry, too.

"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awww
How politically correct of LSB. Apparantly there are a lot of Kinky Friedman fans.

by Sharky on Sep 25, 2006 3:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think
all five of them are here.
"Stubbornness is usually considered a negative, but I think that trait has been a positive for me." ~ Cal Ripken Jr

by kwellborn on Sep 26, 2006 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now...
here's a better question: How many of you will vote?

by mdickson on Sep 25, 2006 3:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I vote
Then I spend a little time kicking myself because whomever gets in, I realize I helped elect a person I later find fault and disagreement with.

Party doesn't seem to matter.  Person matters, but once in office there seems to be a pervasive taint to holding and executing the office.

But the vote is the single instrument of democracy, so do it anyway.

by Ed Coffin on Sep 25, 2006 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bummer
 I just got out of the navy after 9 years. One of the good things about that situation was that no matter whether I lived in Illinois, Hawaii (armpit), or California, I kept my Texas residency (one of the few states that mercifully sneers at a state income tax).

 I lost my residency in August, 3 months shy of the best opportunity I've had as a Texan to vote for somebody worth a damn.

 And yes, I always vote (the last 10 years or so anyway). Good point, though; that's a pertinent question.

 

Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 25, 2006 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texas Democrats
I probably lose all right to speak of this since my current governor is a movie star, but I'm still a Texan at heart.

What is really interesting from a distant observer is what this election says about the Texas Democratic Party.  It must really be in shambles - I don't know anyone in Texas who likes Perry - and that includes a LOT of Republicans.  The fact that it is very likely that the Democrat will finish 3rd in an election where the incumbent is so hated is nuts.  It just goes to show that Democrats won't win an election in Texas for a long, long time.  And it doesn't bode well for the national Democrats either, because they if keep letting the politics of the coasts ruin their standing in the middle, they'll have trouble doing anything on the national scale either.

by JBImaknee on Sep 25, 2006 3:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well
Democrats have been polling quite well nationally, of late.  Not because of that necessarily, but if I were a Republican I'd be worried about my party's future.  They didn't do a good job these last few years.
Nobody cares about your fantasy or video game teams.

by Dustin on Sep 25, 2006 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Parties are stupid anyway.
"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x
Please read the Federalist Papers before posting again about politics.

by booyahcaveman on Sep 25, 2006 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Polling?
These the same polls that had Kerry winning easily?

by Longhorn on Sep 25, 2006 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm
Basic math. Not to bright, huh?

by Longhorn on Sep 25, 2006 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey bright boy
  That would be not "too" bright as opposed to not "to" bright.

  Huh?

Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 25, 2006 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.
I am bright. Thank you for the compliment jackass.

by Longhorn on Sep 25, 2006 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x
There should be a comma in there.

by mdickson on Sep 25, 2006 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x
Your class exudes through the mass that is the internet.

by mdickson on Sep 25, 2006 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x
*too

That's kind of funny.

by mdickson on Sep 25, 2006 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,
I think you missed a point in your effort to condescend. Anyone who has taken a statistics class would find the presidential election polling results compared to the electronic voting counts pretty interesting.

by SteveP on Sep 25, 2006 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Democrat polls nationally mean little
Related to a post below - is Kinky doing well because there is a large block of people who:

1> Will NOT vote for Perry
2> Would rather vote for anyone else who is NOT a Democrat?

To me, I read a solid 3rd party campaign as an indicator of the size of the middle.  A similar thing happened with Perot.  If Kinky represents the "I'm definitely not a Republican but would prefer to not be a Democrat" crowd - then the Texas Democrat posistion is REALLY LOW given that Grandma and Perry are more conservative.

I would argue that the Kinky phenomenon would happen in other places also.  Other states don't have these 3rd or 4th wheels going on - so there is no telling if that Democrat support you mention is actually "Anyone but Bush" logic that is not really aligned with the Democrats.  If I were a Democrat strategist, I would rather people say "I want a Democrat" than say "I don't want a Republican." And - like Longhorn points out - that type of polling doesn't really indicate success on election day.

But like I said, I'm just an observer debating whether to vote for a body builder or a raging Liberal... but I'll vote for someone.  Maybe we need a Kinky out here; or maybe he is already in office...  

by JBImaknee on Sep 25, 2006 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong
actually no they have not.  There are several instances in which, in all honesty, the Republicans thought they were going to lose valuable seats in Congress.  However, LATELY this has been reversing as many prognosticators believe the Republicans will only 2 seats at most, not the predicted 8.  Now, if you said that statement about 2-3 months ago it would be correct.  Bush's approval rating has actually been increasing.  So NO the Democrats have not been doing that well, of late.

by booyahcaveman on Sep 25, 2006 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand how this works since
it has been found out that Iraq/Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with Al Qaeda and that this whole Iraqi war has nothing to do with Bin Laden or 9/11. Why have Bush's approval ratings been going up...?

by hiafex on Sep 25, 2006 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Polis
Read Aristotle's politics on how the polis (all of us) should be educated.  Because gas prices have been going down.  He is still a very good president.  The biggest question that should be answered, keeping Locke's social contract in mind, is society better with those two infamous men on the run (or caught in Hussein's case)?

by booyahcaveman on Sep 25, 2006 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x
Wait 6-8 years like anyone should.  That is what is so great about history.  Clinton was a poor president but thankfully due to a largely Republican congress he didnt screw the economy up as much as he could have.  What he did put into place is having an adverse effect on the economy now.  Too many people think that right when something is put into effect it has an instant impact.  

by booyahcaveman on Sep 25, 2006 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay.
So does that mean that the Democrats who controlled Congress until 1994 were responsible for the boom years of the late 90's?

by Athos on Sep 25, 2006 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, booya (slick handle, by the way)
My wife is from New Zealand. Down there, you are what they'd call a "try-hard." Some of your finest oratory zinger-gems:

"Please read the Federalist Papers before posting again about politics." (We are duly stifled by your academic bomabasticness. You brain big, we little)

"Read Aristotle's politics on how the polis (all of us) should be educated." (I was wondering what polis meant)

"I am really against gay marriages bc it is WRONG.  It twist a sacred institution in the worst way." (you be twistin the english, boo)  

"read the bible and then get back to me." (Snap. He was open, and now he is CLOSED...)

Alas, that's what this misguided polis needs, more sage truthtellers like the cleverly named boooyahhcave.

That booya, if only we were as smart...

Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 25, 2006 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.............
my old man had a perfect handle for BooYah......"intellectual idiot"......which I'm now convinced fits him more than ever after his post about cokehead George being a "good" president and Clinton being "bad".......

by tklawless on Sep 26, 2006 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, wait 6-8 years
by that time the verdict will be that W was the worst president in the last 100 years.

by t ball on Sep 25, 2006 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Clinton was terrible
Peace, prosperity, and budget surpluses.  I can see why folks would hate that.

I mean, now we have Bush, starting Illegal wars about nothing, hiring complete incompetents and running up massive deficits as far as the eye can see.  Who wouldn't rather have that.

Baseball wives are leeches. ... They're just hookers on retainer. -- Rangerchick

by DJCahill on Sep 26, 2006 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
One of my current  employers actually does polls for Democratic candidates.  For every poll you see in a newspaper, there are a hundred more that the public never sees.

And I can tell you that YES they are doing well in many areas.  As of last week.

Nobody cares about your fantasy or video game teams.

by Dustin on Sep 25, 2006 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what I'm curious about is
  Who does Kinky project to take more votes from? The left or the right? Is he Perot or Nader (Kinky would visibly wince at either of those comparisons)?
Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 25, 2006 5:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is definitely the site for.....
....logical political debate.  LOL

I think JBI hit the nail on the head regarding the national scene and the Dem's short-term future in elections.

The whole governor election in Texas is interesting, because people really don't seem to like Perry.  However, except for that video when his driver was pulled over and Perry showed his ass (so to speak), I'm having trouble coming up with anything specific that I can really complain about in regards to Perry.

Kinky on the other hand is more of a pleasant distraction for me, as he tries to come across as a "just one of you folks" type of guy.  There aren't too many "just one of you folks" that can afford to run for Governor.  I won't vote for Kinky simply because he has flopped too many times on some issues.  That's fine, as long as he gets it right in the end.  However, I don't think he is thinking things through before he states his opinion, since he has had to change his position on a few important issues.

That being said, there are some things you only get one shot at, and you don't get a "do over".  I can't risk my vote on someone who may get it right after the fact.  Sometimes its too late.

I'm curious to see what national polls the Dem's are doing so well in.  I guess I'm talking about the ones Dustin has mentioned.

One more thing.  Geez orton, those are some of the most fascist statements I have seen in quite a while.  People must carry cards and inform employers of medical issues.  Why must gays be consistently tested for STD's?  I guarantee you that there more STD's transmitted by heterosexual persons than by any other types. Do you really believe that a majority of the people in the African nations (where AIDS is running rampant) are actually engaged in gay sex?  Believe it or not, most of it is being transmitted by heteros. As far as people from 3rd world countries go, there is a risk of all types of disease, not just sexually transmitted ones.  

And just to be clear, it is gay marriage that is prohibited.  There are provisions for legally being partners.  To some extent, I think the gay "marriage" stuff is a bit of a ruse.  The only thing they would gain is a license.  Everything else can be done legally.  Honestly, I'm tired of hearing about it.  Hell, I'm in love with a platypus and I want a license to say that it is my life partner.  Without the license, nothing changes, except to bring more attention to myself that I didn't really want, because people look at me strange when they know.  I imagine gay couples go through the same thing.

Believe it or not, you can get STD's even AFTER you are married.  In fact, why would requiring these cards if gay-marriage is legalized do anything?  If they are getting married, perhaps they may not be with anybody else for the rest of their lives.  If you ask me, it would make more sense to have all people with STD's carry the cards, especially if they aren't married (or getting married).  Of course, that would depend on the Fascist country you live in at the time.  In fact, I'm sure I would be at a club and meet somebody and ask them for their STD card.  Do you think they would pull it out and show you?  Of course not.  In fact, what if they said no?  Now if everybody had this stupid card, it could say something like:  Buck Waltershow doesn't have any STD's.  Then, have some sex with that person and possibly get an STD that they picked up the week before.  Now you and this person can report yourselves and get newly issued cards that says you do have an STD.

ID cards are so stupid and unreliable it boggles my mind.  If you want the Fascist Nation you are looking for to make sure its done right, then have them tattoo "STD" in the middle of peoples' foreheads.  Not too low, so that a unibrow could hide the tattoo and Not too high so that bangs could hide it.  Hey orton, your idea has been tried before when Jewish people in 1930's and 1940's Germany had to wear the Star of David on their garments (and put them on their shops), so that people could easily identify them for some reason.  I can't really remember the result of that program, can you?  I do know that they stopped that program at some point, because I didn't see anyone wearing them when I was in Germany several decades later.

I know I went on a bit of a rant, but the things people suggest without understanding the potential ramifications just makes my head hurt sometimes.  This is the type of thing that concerns me about someone like Kinky that offers a suggestion/solution without truly thinking it through first.

Instead of Ready, Aim, Fire, it becomes more like Fire, Aim, Ready.  Sometimes its too late to realize what a blunder we have made.

I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2006.

by Chaim Witz on Sep 25, 2006 6:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The % of homosexuals with STDs
is much much higher than the % of heteros with STDs.  The total numbers aren't higher, though.  That's because there are much more heteros than homosexuals.
"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.
"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

percentage
of african americans is also higher than white people.

percentage of lower class is highre than higher class.

percentage of lesbians is a lot lower than heteros.

you have no point.

by ab03 on Sep 25, 2006 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And
To tell the truth, I wouldn't like ID cards either.  That was said without thinking.

But I would like to have major STDs like AIDS be a matter of public record the same way criminal records are.  The same way you can look up whose a child molestor or who's been convicted of rape in your neighborhood.

But like I said, I'm not against gay marriage.

And I know you can get STDs after marriage.  The fact is is that the likelihood of contracting a disease like AIDS is multiplied in gay relationships.  You can get burgled even with an alarm system, but the alarm systems still make it safer by possible prevention.

"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...
you are really some kind of nut.

by benmor78 on Sep 25, 2006 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow
stick by your guns......I am really against gay marriages bc it is WRONG.  It twist a sacred institution in the worst way.

by booyahcaveman on Sep 25, 2006 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sacred?
You have to be religious to be married? I'm screwed I guess.

by hiafex on Sep 25, 2006 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
pretty much.  Marriage is a Christian institution, read the bible and then get back to me.

by booyahcaveman on Sep 25, 2006 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually it's a human instict.
It has nothing to do with religion.

I'm pretty sure 2 people lived together and had children before Christianity was a religion.

by hiafex on Sep 25, 2006 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on your religion though
If you believe in the God of the Bible, you believe that He created everything, including marriage.  

If your religion is Muslim, then Allah created it.

If your religion is Agnostic, then it could be instinct.

It doesn't matter.  What does is if you (the general you, not pointed at anyone) are intolerant and unloving to other people's beliefs.

"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.
"It doesn't matter.  What does is if you (the general you, not pointed at anyone) are intolerant and unloving to other people's beliefs."

Gay Marriage shouldn't be an issue then, should it? Unless, of course, you're intolerant of other people's belief.

by hiafex on Sep 25, 2006 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.
Like I said above, I couldn't tell two people they can't legally be together.  I'm not against gay marriage.
"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you're just against gays
and science...
Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 25, 2006 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are joking, I assume?
Because I'm friends with gays and scientists.
"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, one of us must be joking
  Because: either, you aren't sharing your little theories with your scientist friends and gay friends, or those friends are bullshitting you, or those friends are idiots, or those friends don't have the self-esteem to challenge you on some theories that are universally regarded as offensive by both gays and scientists.

  Well, unlike some that have posted, you seem to have good intentions.

  But, in all seriousness dude, I should be the one asking if you are joking...

Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 25, 2006 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I don't understand.
I support gay marriage and science.

How is that offensive to scientist and gays?

"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You
support the idea that homosexuals should be forced to register themselves as gays and carry around cards or something brilliant to let the world know that they're different from the rest of us and should be treated as such.

Also you seem to advocate communal tooth brushes, which is just odd, IMO. I can't imagine your many scientist friends is a proponent of that little plan... Unless they happen to be anti-Dentites.

"If you are going to type stupid shit, you should at least spell it right." -trza

by thedirkatron on Sep 26, 2006 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next
...he'll be saying they ought to have their own schools!
Nobody cares about your fantasy or video game teams.

by Dustin on Sep 26, 2006 4:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But only, you know
in the interest of "preventing the spread of disease".

Cue Helen Lovejoy: "Won't someone please think of the children!!!"

"If you are going to type stupid shit, you should at least spell it right." -trza

by thedirkatron on Sep 26, 2006 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's hope
they are teaching them to use their own toothbrushes!

by t ball on Sep 26, 2006 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As someone who...
worked in the family law industry for 7 years, I can assure you there's not a whole lot of religion in the statutory definition of marriage.  And, by "a whole lot," I mean "none at all."

Marriage, as far as the state is concerned, is a series of contractual obligations designed to protect the rights of the "spouses" and children.  Not a whole lot of sacred to it.

by benmor78 on Sep 25, 2006 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why shouldn't churches be allowed to decide...
Why shouldn't churches be allowed to decide who they marry?

Why are you so concerned with forcing churches to follow the government's wishes?  Seems very anti-freedom of religion to me.

by PatrickWalz on Sep 25, 2006 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do stick by my guns.
How am I not clear?
"I felt that I could've written it, so the fact that it already existed is really a technicality." - Walt Berkman

by orton1227 on Sep 25, 2006 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats on me
sorry i must have mis-read you on it

by booyahcaveman on Sep 25, 2006 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

booya
where have you been?

by Longhorn on Sep 25, 2006 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ones I was thinking of
Ohio, NY, Virginia...to name a few

I'm not talking about "who do you plan to vote for" polls.  I'm talking about polls that explore the issues.  People are simply agreeing with the Dems.  It's now up to them to tell people what they stand for and make the connection.

Nobody cares about your fantasy or video game teams.

by Dustin on Sep 25, 2006 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go Charlie Crist!
heh, this has been an interesting conversation.  There is a strong Republican majority in Florida(interestingly enough, the majority of registrants are Democrats).  As far as the extreme (what most people here think are extreme) influence of Christian Values, I can promise that is not the case in the Florida Republican Party, and I'm not worried about the direction of the party at all.
I'm lucky though, Jeb Bush is the best governor in the country, he has done so much for the state in the last 8 years, and he is not a Christian Fundamentalist.
Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Sep 25, 2006 6:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Best governor in the country
  Not that I'm saying he's a bad governor, but what makes him the best?

  And, as far as your promise of the lack of "extreme (what most people here think are extreme) influence of Christian Values," Michael Schiavo might see it differently...

Macho, macho man. I want to be, a macho man.

by Brian Thomas on Sep 25, 2006 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there was...
a republican majority in both florida houses...and the legislation to save her life in 2005 failed.
i would have opposed that as well.
Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Sep 25, 2006 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a couple of national news media folks
have used that phrase for Jeb.
plus i think he is always rated quite high by his colleagues (the other governments)
Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Sep 25, 2006 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

***Sharky***
Since you were laughing about the Kinky supporters on here, who are you giong to vote for?
BRAWLFEST 2006! F the Angels!

by ortonius on Sep 25, 2006 8:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Things I leaned on LSB
  1. The difference between "to" and "too"
  2. You should install an alarm system in your house so your gay neighbors don't steal your toothbrush and infect you with AIDS
  3. You have to be Christian to be married. Or something.
You might think I'm crazy. I agree with you.

by trza on Sep 26, 2006 12:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice Summation.
But you forgot the part where Orton became a Nazi.

by hiafex on Sep 26, 2006 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's just clarify...
that there is a difference between orton1227 and ortonius.  :)
BRAWLFEST 2006! F the Angels!

by ortonius on Sep 26, 2006 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh, we'll call him 1227 now. :)
Because he's a Nazi and doesn't deserve a name.

by hiafex on Sep 26, 2006 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha...
is that like THX ll38?
BRAWLFEST 2006! F the Angels!

by ortonius on Sep 26, 2006 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure
Whatever floats your boat. :)

by hiafex on Sep 26, 2006 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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