Rangers moves this year

by booyahcaveman on Sep 9, 2006 11:50 AM CDT Comment 14 comments

Is it just me or has every single trade this year for the Rangers just tanked? The Soriano trade flopped fantastically. I mean honestly who would you rather have in your LF, Lee or Soriano? I realize that Soriano said he would refuse to move to LF but he said that in Washington too and look what is happening now. Galarraga flopped in the minors. Wilkerson was terrible albeit he was injured. I still dont think he was good compensation for Soriano.

The Padres trade was also a disappointment. Yes, Eaton was injured too but he has not exactly been as good as anyone was hoping. While Chris Young has been good for the Padres and oh yeah, he isnt a FA after this year either. Adrian Gonzalez is doing well with SD, hitting .286 with 21 bombs at a pitcher's park. Would you like to see those numbers in Rangers lineup? I sure would. Now, Otsuka has been good, I will give everyone that.

The Lee trade has been an extreme disappointment. Question: Who would you rather have at 5/70 mil, Soriano or Lee? If you had to have one of them. Also, I may be mistaken but wouldnt the Rangers get the same amount of picks for Soriano as they would for Lee? If the compensation picks are still around. Seems like the Rangers have a history (this year) of trading for players that are going to become FAs. Honestly, if Matthews and Derosa dont step up this year, the Rangers are a last place team in the AL West. So everyone is talking about the Rangers trading this guy or that guy, but realistically have the Rangers showed yall anything that would suggest that they would get fair value for any of these guys?

I state this once again. The next two years are the most crucial years in the history of this Franchise. You probably have the most celebrated pitching crop ever coming up. Desptite the differing opinions on some of these guys but Hurley, Danks, Volquez, and Diamond really will show how good the Rangers will be. Also, it is very important for the Rangers to sign Wells at the end of next year.

BUT, the Rangers will probably make dumb moves and never realize that you win with pitching and defense not offense I dont care how much your park favors offense.

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Trades

The San Diego trade has been a disappointment.

The Washington trade -- which I loved -- has been a bust.

I don't think the Carlos Lee trade has been a disappointment.

The Padilla trade was a home run.

The German-for-Castro trade was very good.

Trading Dominguez for Freddie Bynum and John Rheinecker, and then trading Bynum for John Koronka, looks okay.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 9, 2006 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

agree with adam across the board

to be fair... worth noting that adrian gonzalez had a very good june and a spectacular july, and has been a well-below average player in every other month.

and chris young has a 5.23 ERA and an opponents line of .274/.351/.524 in the second half. don't get me wrong, i'd like to have him back, but that's enough to at least make me wonder if some of the questions on his ability to have long term success aren't legitimate.

as for the milwaukee deal, i still like it. sent a big message to the clubhouse. and the bullpen hasn't missed cordero. not to mention that mench and nix have completely flamed out so far. if the deal ultimately becomes one+ year of cordero and a league average mench for 2 months of lee, 2 top draft picks, and cruz who settles into RF, i'd say that's a success.

by AZranger on Sep 9, 2006 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gonzalez and Young

My issues weren't necessarily with trading them -- particularly Gonzalez -- although I felt that the Rangers were jumping the gun on deciding Chris Young was going to break down.

My issue was more that, if you were going to trade them, you should get more in return than Adam Eaton and Akinori Otsuka.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 9, 2006 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

I can definitely agree with that statement. The rangers just seem to be prone to giving away talent for less than what we (the fans) believe that can get for it. I know there are some underlying reasons for this that we probably dont know. But if you look simply at performance this year across the board for all the trades the Rangers have made, you have to be disappointed. And another thing on the Lee trade. I didnt realize this til he got here, but he has the most God-awful throwing arm.

by booyahcaveman on Sep 9, 2006 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

perhaps...

...the issue you raise is the key one - that we don't really know what players' market values are.

by AZranger on Sep 9, 2006 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

over valuing

I think we are over valuing A. Gonzalez and Chris Young. Yes we should have kept Young if possible, but if other teams don't value these players as much as we do than we are simply not going to get more for them in a trade whether we think we should or not.

I still like this deal overall. Sure I would like to have gotten more for those players, but realistically I don't think we could have gotten much more.

by t ball on Sep 9, 2006 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agree on young

disagree on gonzalez.

what is the market for a 1b that doesn't project to be much more than league average offensively? ryan shealy didn't bring back much. ben broussard, at a different point in his career, didn't have much value.

we may overstate how much trade value adrian had (and has).

by AZranger on Sep 9, 2006 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A few things

I will give everyone the Padilla trade, but next year it will not be worth anything because Padilla will probably not be here. The German-Castro trade was very good, and both players are performing well but neither are with the Rangers. Who would you rather have: German, Castro, or Haigwood? Well the last one I would want is Haigwood and what a surprise that is the one Rangers have ended up with. The Carlos Lee has been a disappointment because that trade was made to get the Rangers to the playoffs, something that will not happen. All of the blame cannot be put on Lee but the trade was made for a certain purpose and that purpose was not attained. The Tejada trade should be interesting to monitor over the next few years.

by booyahcaveman on Sep 9, 2006 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The trades

Padilla will either be back next year, or the Rangers will get a couple of draft picks for him. Either way, they got him for virtually nothing (a pitcher they'd already given up on, and who the Phillies have released). That is a home run, even if Padilla is here just one year.

German is doing well in a part-time role in Kansas City. But he'd have no role in Texas, and I'd rather have Haigwood than German in the organization right now. If the Rangers needed a utility infielder or a guy who could play second base regularly, maybe I'd think differently, but given how this team is situated, I'd much rather have Haigwood than German.

Yes, the Rangers didn't make the playoffs, but I don't think that makes the Lee trade a bad one. It was a calculated risk, and I think in terms of talent received versus talent given up, it was a win for the Rangers. After this season, they'll have a couple of draft picks and Nelson Cruz to show for Francisco Cordero and a couple of outfielders that looked like they were no longer in the team's plans, one of whom was a candidate to be non-tendered after the season.

by Adam J. Morris on Sep 9, 2006 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Draft picks

The lack of the playoffs has made it a disappointment. That is the reason the move was made was to make the postseason. They did do a good job of including Cruz, who has raw talent but the jury is still out on him of course. Cordero should have been traded last year when the season was lost and you could have ge And the hey we get draft picks for guys that we dont sign is only good if that compensation system stays in tact. As for the Castro trade, the point is the Rangers had the best out of those three and they gave him up.

by booyahcaveman on Sep 9, 2006 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Way too early...

...to say Castro is better than Haigwood. Maybe this year, Castro has performed better than Haigwood. But left-handers that throw in the low 90's are hard to find. Keep in mind that Haigwood has a bigger frame than Castro. Thus will most likely be more durable over the length of his career. Keep in mind had the Rangers not taken Castro in the Rule V draft, Castro would most likely still be in the minor leagues.

by T Coleman on Sep 9, 2006 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs