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This is my plan of what to do. I also want to see whay yall would do.

Rangers now

LF: Cat
2B: Kinsler(Posistion set for '08)
ss: Young(Posistion set for '08)
3b: blalock(Posistion set for '08)
cf: byrd(if resigned)
Dh: Botts
C: Salty(Posistion set for '08)
RF: Cruz
1B: ?

Lineup pretty much sucks. Only 4 posistions set.

Bullpen
CL: Wilson
SU: Otsuka
MR: Francisco
MR: Benoit
MR: Littleton
MR: some Lefty

Bullpen looks set and very good except a lefty is needed(Affeldt?).

SP:
Millwood
McCarthy
Padilla
Gabbard
Volquez/Hurley/Loe

SP looks pretty bad as of now. I'd say we've got 2 dependable starters (Millwood and McCarthy)

That team costs about 45 million. (55 with the Arod money, but we'll probably stay at 45 since he's likely to opt out)

So, to fix the lineup, here are the FA's I'd be interested in seeing the Rangers pursue this offseason:
Adam Dunn 1B/LF (If option is declined, or to trade for)
Milton Bradley LF/RF
Mike Cameron CF
Aaron Rowand CF
Torrii Hunter CF

Carlos Silva (Probably gonna ask too much

Here are some people that could be available this offseason for trade that I'd like to pursue:
Jason Bay LF
Coco Crisp CF/LF
Dontrelle Willis SP

Those are the guys I'd have some interest in going after. Here's what I'd want to do ideally(keeping it realistic)

First, I'd fill the hole at 1B by signing Dunn to a 5 year 85 million dollar contract (17 mil a year)
He's still only 27, meaning the contract would be up when he's 32, which is perfect.
He's got a great OBP, and he'd do great in Ameriquest field. 50 HR's would be a very realistic projection if he was playing at Ameriquest with the jet stream.
Some say we already have our own Dunn in Chris Davis, well that's good, but he won't really contribute until '09. So what will we do then? Nothing, just have 2 Dunns.
(This move raises the salary to about 62 million)

Next, I'd sign Rowand to a 5 year 55 million dollar deal (11 mil a year)
He gives you good defese in center, and has a very respectable bat.

Then I'd trade for CoCo Crisp from the Bosox. I don't think he'd cost too much, he's still 27, plays great defense in left, and would provide us with a good lead off guy.

And then I'd re-sign Byrd for 1-2  years for 2-4 million a year.

(These moves would bring the salary to about 79 million)

Now the lineup would be:

LF: Coco Crisp (He hit .323 in 96 lead off at bats last year)
2B: Ian Kinsler (Hit .313 w/ a .389 OBP in 195 AB's in the 2 hole)
SS: Michael Young
1B: Adam Dunn
CF: Aaron Rowand
3B: Hank Blalock
C: Jarrod Saltalammacchia
RF: Marlon Byrd
DH: Botts/Cattallanotto

That looks like a pretty good lineup to me, I think we'll see significant improvement from Salty, Blalock, and Kinsler this year.
Hopefully Crisp could gain some power back too, and Dunn will only add more.
Byrd is the only spot that really isn't too great, but Murphy could always come in if it's too bad.

The defense is also very improved in the outfield, and hopefully Kinsler will only improve like he has been defensivley

So that's my idea on how to fix the lineup. I'll let yall decide on how to fix pitching.

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Yikes
Fuck the 40 man. Billybob trumps all!

by Chase Irwin on Oct 7, 2007 2:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yikes indeed
thats the weakest hitting outfield ever.
Can you please Look into getting a less funny signature? That's sarcasm, btw. - Sharky

by rentz on Oct 7, 2007 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who really cares
how weak the outfield hits? If the lineup is hitting great as a whole, then it doesn't matter.

And I believe Crisp would be a good leadoff man(Much better than anything we have)
He has a .329 career OBP.
In '04 and '05 Crisp had a OBP of .345 which is not ideal, but acceptable from a leadoff man.
His stats fell pretty far when traded to the Red Sox in '06, but he got a little better this year.
He had a .330 OBP this year(and in 96 AB's leading off, he had a .370 OBP)

So I think that expecting at least a .340 OBP from him is reasonable.

Then there's his speed, which is valuable as a leadoff guy(Getting into scoring posistion for the guys behind you) He had 28 steals this year.

He also had 41 extra base hits(that number could go up in Ameriquest.)
He's also got potential for much more(As he showed in '05 with 62 extra base hits)

So I think he'd be a good lead off guy and he's got excellent defense in left.

Hello

by madyp on Oct 7, 2007 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

crisp
i'm all for going after him if the redsox want minimal in return just for taking his contract.

but to put him, rowand and byrd all in the same outfield gives you one weak outfield offensively.

and typically outfield is where you get big offense from, so that would need to come from other positions. and i think it's too early to count on saltalamaccia hitting 20+ home runs.

Can you please Look into getting a less funny signature? That's sarcasm, btw. - Sharky

by rentz on Oct 7, 2007 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
A .340 OBP from a leadoff hitter is not good.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 7, 2007 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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<Yodavoice> Perhaps misplaced the Nobel prize committe's faith in Al Gore is. Behind the plot to warm the Earth he may be.</Yodavoice&gt

by Sharky on Oct 13, 2007 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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<Yodavoice> Perhaps misplaced the Nobel prize committe's faith in Al Gore is. Behind the plot to warm the Earth he may be.</Yodavoice&gt

by Sharky on Oct 13, 2007 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crisp
He has 1146 career PA's as a leadoff man, and an OBP of .314.

Even in his best season, he only had a .345 OBP overall, and a .327 OBP batting leadoff- he hit 2nd most of the season that year.

Just to compare- our current leadoff man, Frank Catalanotto, has 1127 career PA's as a leadoff man, with an OBP of .374.

"Then I met some friends for a beer, went to a BoDeans's concert, and son of a vondruke, if I didn't leave him at the concert hall."

by RCCook on Oct 7, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So
What would you give for him in trade?

by hightowersmith on Oct 7, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

here's a stab in the dark
i like Dunn at first. Give me Rowand in CF with Bay in left and Byrd/Cat in right. Lets sign Bonds to a 2 year deal to DH.

1.Catalanotto-RF
2.Kinsler
3.Young
4.Bonds
5.Dunn
6.Blaylock
7.Rowand
8.Bay
9.Saltalamacchia

Granted, salary goes way up. I'd put Dunn behind Bonds because Bonds does walk a lot. Don't get me wrong, i don't like Bonds, but the guy would rock in Arlington with that short porch in right. He's going to produce for someone next year...why not us?

by texaschief on Oct 7, 2007 4:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bay
He'd be hitting 3rd.  What are you proposing to give up to get him?

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 7, 2007 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bay
Considering it would take Salty+Hurley (at least), I think any speculations about him coming here are crazy.

by rangeressary on Oct 7, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cat in RF?
Hells to the no. Runners would be going from first to third on popups, and first to home on singles.

Trading for Dunn and Bay would seriously deplete our farm system.

But yah that'd be a freaking awesome lineup.

The 40 trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Oct 7, 2007 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone think
that Salty will have a big enough stick to play first base ...... sure would solve a gapping hole.  How far away is Teagarden, is he good defensively?

by rldwb on Oct 7, 2007 4:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

not really
i think his potential is 20-25hr's a year which really isn't great production for first base but is excellent for a catcher.
Can you please Look into getting a less funny signature? That's sarcasm, btw. - Sharky

by rentz on Oct 7, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dunn
so, how exactly are the rangers supposed to get dunn?
Forget Johnny Bench, we got Gerry "the Jet" Laird

by ab03 on Oct 7, 2007 5:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There's a school of thought
That believes in Krivsky's foolishness to a point where he wouldn't offer Dunn arbitration.
sportsdeals.blogspot.com

by BudLight on Oct 7, 2007 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

its an option right?
Forget Johnny Bench, we got Gerry "the Jet" Laird

by ab03 on Oct 7, 2007 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Max Ramirez
to tell you guys the truth, the only catcher I'm interested to see Max Ramirez. I think of all the players we got, he's gonna be the wild card. I know is defense if horrendous, but would it be hard to move him to an outfield spot?

by meatbonelefty on Oct 7, 2007 5:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bradley ????
Why would any team pursue Bradley, why would the Rangers want or need him. He is brittle.

by rldwb on Oct 7, 2007 5:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Milty is.....
out for all of 2008, isn't he?

by tklawless on Oct 8, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1B and CF SOLUTION
I thought kinda long and hard about this.

For first base: Doug Mentkierpuwhnfdsa-plays spectacular defense, cheap, one year deal kinda guy

For center: it's gonna be tricky but...Bernie Williams. was not that bad when he retired, has been working out, class guy, veteren leadership, experience, not too much cash money

I know i'm gonna get torched for even saying Bernie Williams name but why not

by meatbonelefty on Oct 7, 2007 5:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ummm
I know i'm gonna get torched for even saying Bernie Williams name but why not

Because he can't play centerfield anymore?  And hasn't been an acceptable defensive centerfielder for several years?

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 7, 2007 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No offense to the author
but does anyone else find these types of diaries incredibly difficult to read and finish?
Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Oct 7, 2007 6:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom Lin
no matter who we get, unless our young guys develop our team won't be too good.

by Agreen07 on Oct 7, 2007 6:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I love how
when I post a diary like this I get taken behind the shed, and you guys are fairly nice to this one....

Alright, truthfully, and I think we all know this is whats going to happen...

1b-The Cat
2b- Kinsler
3b- blalock
ss- young
lf-Murphy
cf- Byrd
rf- cruz/ whoever
c- Salty
dh- botts

And the sad truth is, this lineup is growing... growing=growing pains= 75 wins tops

Fireballs beat Knuckleballs.

by PM Productions on Oct 7, 2007 6:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ammendment
to the fact that you might add Hunter/Rowand/Cameron/whoever to center, but after all the talk, I could see nothing happening in that department...
Fireballs beat Knuckleballs.

by PM Productions on Oct 7, 2007 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not sure
when you posted yours, but there have been so many like this and all of the ones prior to this have been ridiculed.  people might just be tired of responding.

and i think you identify the problem - you know whats going to happen for next year and its not going to be anything too exciting.  to speculate about dunn and both crisp and rowand like this diary is silly.

Forget Johnny Bench, we got Gerry "the Jet" Laird

by ab03 on Oct 7, 2007 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Botts, Cruz, Murphy, Byrd.....
whew! Maybe Byrd, and Murphy as a 4th OF, but if all 4 of those guys are starting we'll need to trade for Santana and Beckett to win 75 games!

by tklawless on Oct 8, 2007 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thoughts
a few things
-why not benoit as a Setup guy?
-bradley tore his ACL and is batshit loco
-cameron i like (more and more)
-carlos silva? bleh
-dontrelle willis? bleh
-jason bay i like a lot
-crips=meh. no real feeling on him. id rather have cameron
-dunn wont have his option non renewed. zero chance.
-and to say that chris davis is anywhere near dunn is plain loco in and of itself. davis=o mLB time.
-i thought that crisp completeley bombed as leadoff this year with the bosox?
"Who is Karim Garcia?" -- Pedro Martinez

by knockoutking24 on Oct 7, 2007 9:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Move Crisp down in the order
hit Kinsler lead-off. Gotta get MY outta the 3 spot, up to #2. We actually need a 3 and a 4 hitter, and maybe a 5. Blalock shouldn't hit higher than 6th (on a decent team).

Damn, JD has some work to do!

And I didn't touch on the pitching! (we need a #1, move everyone back a notch, the bullpen is OK)

by tklawless on Oct 8, 2007 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did one on the last game day thread i think...
What about miving teagarden to another postion so we can keep salty at catcher?  I think taylor has been dh-ing so theres your 2009 solution to dh when botts fails this year.  as for the outfield, murphy, in my eyes, is the only one that should be given a shot at an everyday role at center, or right.  cruz is a #4 outfielder and byrds season could have been a fluke.  If murph can pull off playing everyday id love to see a lineup of

Murph-center
Ian-2nd
cat-first
young-ss
blalok-3rd
hunter-right
salty-catcher
botts-dh
byrd-in left
You could maybe even rotate our outfield seeing as all three outfielders can play all three positions.  As for my lineup card, the 1,2,3 play as a 1,2,3 batter should play.  Young and blalok could be flipped 3-4, 4-3.  Young, being the feared hitter on this team, has no use in a 2, 3 slot.  
I guess though, why speculate until spring whos who and where they are playing and in what order.

"I'd need a picture of Jamey with a shotgun saying "This is my Boomstick!" before I could see that one." DJCahill

by NYTXFAN on Oct 7, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No
What about miving teagarden to another postion so we can keep salty at catcher?

Teagarden is considered a much better defensive catcher than Saltalamacchia by just about everyone (except 525dp).

If you aren't going to play Teagarden at catcher, you trade him.  You don't make him a DH or a first baseman.  His value is primarily derived from the fact that he's considered a GG-caliber defensive catcher.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 7, 2007 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So
Adam, what would u propose?  Maybe mshowcase saltys talent and then 09 trade him for a need then.  or trade tea?
"I'd need a picture of Jamey with a shotgun saying "This is my Boomstick!" before I could see that one." DJCahill

by NYTXFAN on Oct 7, 2007 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I propose
that you don't worry about it. Saltalamacchia and Teagarden are not such elite catching prospects that they are both guaranteed to hit. In fact, I think that there is a very solid chance that one doesn't. Let Salty catch next year, when Teagarden is ready, let him play some and prove himself. Once they both have established themselves as quality catchers, then trade one. Then you're not going to screw yourself, and then you'll get a big return.

And since I think that I know what Adam is going to say, let me also add that Salty's value this offseason is not going to be at a high point. He can play catcher, whether some Rangers execs think he can or not. Let him establish his bat before you go dumping him at 70% value.

by Brett Perryman on Oct 7, 2007 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about
telling us who "everyone" is.
Is it anyone with connections to the Ranger organization ie. Coaches, scouts, player developement type folks, or just posters on this website? Seems to me if your opinion, was also felt by the organization, Saltalamacchia certainly would not have been the centerpiece in the Tex trade.
Oh, and FYI I have never compared Saltalamacchia to ANY catcher and have never even mentioned Teagarden in any of my posts so get your facts straight.

by 525DP on Oct 7, 2007 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK
I've decided that you must be Salty's high school teacher/wife.

by a bebop a rebop on Oct 7, 2007 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
Good one. Why is that?

by 525DP on Oct 7, 2007 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

kind of scary
 
Baseball Fever - catch it!

by t ball on Oct 8, 2007 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?
Seems to me if your opinion, was also felt by the organization, Saltalamacchia certainly would not have been the centerpiece in the Tex trade.

Why not?

There's been talk for a couple of years that Saltalamacchia might end up moving out from behind the plate, and that his bat is good enough that he could be a quality player at first base.

If that's the case, and if he was the best player that the Rangers were being offered, then why would the presence of Teagarden make the Rangers decide not to trade for him?

How would it make sense to take a lesser package from another team?

And are you really saying that Teagarden isn't better, defensively, than Saltalamacchia?

Or are you just trying to say that I don't really know, so I shouldn't say anything about it?

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 7, 2007 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?
Do you answer my questions with more questions?
  1. Blah blah, blah
  2. He is a catcher. Do you believe JD traded Tex so he could replace him with Saltalamacchia? The ONLY reason he played 1B for Atlanta was to get his bat in the line-up. Hell, they replaced him with a 50yo has been.
  3. It wouldnt make any sense
  4. I never said anything about TT. It's been years since I saw him play. Don't give opinions about people I don't know.
  5. I don't know what you know. Thats why I'm asking you questions.

by 525DP on Oct 7, 2007 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adam
i just want to know salty or tea bag?  which do u prefer?  Or maybe just a saltyteabag combo.
"I'd need a picture of Jamey with a shotgun saying "This is my Boomstick!" before I could see that one." DJCahill

by NYTXFAN on Oct 7, 2007 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Que?
You aren't making a ton of sense.

I think the Rangers traded for the Atlanta package because it was the best offer on the table.  I think they viewed Saltalamacchia as someone whose bat would be an asset at either first base or catcher.  And I think that it is still up in the air about which position he'll end up at, long-term.

I don't understand why you get so agitated when it is suggested that Saltalamacchia is something less than a good defensive catcher, or why you get so worked up when it is suggested that Teagarden is a better defensive catcher, and that if one of them should have to change positions, it should be Saltalamacchia, not Teagarden.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 8, 2007 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm
Actually I'm a little disappointed by the results of the Google search. You made two posts that weren't about Saltalamacchia!

by a bebop a rebop on Oct 8, 2007 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm
Are you sure. Aahhh, maybe the other two posts were about my other son. Must be slipping. Sorry. Didn't mean to disappoint you bebop. ;)

by 525DP on Oct 8, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My issue
with this angle:

There's been talk for a couple of years that Saltalamacchia might end up moving out from behind the plate, and that his bat is good enough that he could be a quality player at first base.

is that I don't think that those are completely true assertions. You know better than I do what some important people might think of Saltalamacchia's skills, but that doesn't mean that they are right.

There has been talk ever since he entered pro baseball that there was a chance that Saltalamacchia might not be able to stick at catcher, and as is usually the case, there is the hope that his bat would be good enough to fit elsewhere (presumably an IF corner) if he couldn't. But I've paid really close attention (for selfish reasons) to Saltalamacchia's (and for that matter, Brian McCann's, for similar selfish reasons) development - and in particular his defensive development - for most of his pro career, not just the last four months.

Now it is the organization's job to maximize their own players' values, which is part of the reason that guys stay at positions that they are destined to leave for longer than expected. But every indication that I have ever seen or heard from within the Braves organization OR from pro scouts has been that they have continued to be confident in his defensive ability at catcher.

In fact, when McCann was at Myrtle Beach, before his emergence in his AA/MLB season, the common thought was that Saltalamacchia might have a little better chance of sticking at catcher than McCann. McCann improved greatly, but Saltalamacchia has improved markedly too. Read the scouting reports on Saltalamacchia in BA last year and this year. They are pretty unanimous in the belief that he is good enough to stay at catcher. And as time has gone on, that has been more the belief, not less, particularly in that last two year interval that you mentioned.

And as far as his bat being enough at 1st base, it might be enough to get by, but the ONLY reason to move him to 1B is that he can't play catcher. For gosh sakes, it's why the Braves traded him - he's a catcher not a first baseman. He is not Albert Pujols or Mark Teixeira. He's not. If the Rangers think that he is Mark Teixeira offensively and an incapable catcher defensively, they are wrong on both accounts, and I'm really worried about their ability to run a franchise on the baseball side. And they did make dumb move.

Obviously, Teagarden is better defensively. Our Braves friend doesn't know what he's talking about there. But he is not a slam dunk prospect, and you don't need to be dealing a potential all-star catcher because Taylor Teagarden might stay healthy, exceed almost everyone's offensive projections, and become a second solid catcher for the big league club. I'm really taken aback by everyone treating this like it's some sort of problem - and not just a problem but one that has to be taken care of before it actually comes about.

And let me say this one more time, and I'll try to leave it alone for several months after it. I love Evan Grant, TR Sullivan and the guys, and I find their information invaluable. But if thinking that Saltalamacchia is a) incapable of playing catcher and b) a potential all-star caliber first baseman is an assertion that they are making with their own judgement, they just don't have a clue what they are looking at. And if this is information that is coming from the Rangers, it is VERY, VERY troubling. He is a catcher, and he's not a plus first baseman.

by Brett Perryman on Oct 8, 2007 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.....
while Salty obviously didn't throw out as many guys as Laird, he looks much smoother (most of the time). Laird has a tendency to "snatch" at pitches, which certainly doesn't help pitcher's get calls. Also, Salty is 22 (TT is 1 1/2 years older). Damn!

There is no doubt in my mind he could stick at catcher and I agree if TT continues on track, having them both is a NICE problem to have.

by tklawless on Oct 8, 2007 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fwiw
This is me reading the tea leaves.  I don't have any inside info on this.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 8, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

basically
we need to start somewhere and with the infield somewhat set, and bright young pitching being developed, we need major production from the outfield.  Hunter murphy and another big bat could pull off a nice run.  I mean, for once we arent going into the offseason looking starved for pitchers.  sure, if daniels can pull off a trade for a fausto carmona type pitcher im sure he does it.  but he is going to focus on aquiring outfielders.   and not fourth outfielders.  people who can produce runs.  cat probably whinds up playing first, salty at catcher.  Im wondering if daniels uses laird and a newly acquired prospect to land a descent left of right fielder.  Would this team benefit from getting a matt murton type player?  If he makes a trade, which im calling it now, its gonna be a blockbuster.  Its gonna be an outfielder.  Two solid outfielders this offseason.  Pitching, first, and dh from within.
"I'd need a picture of Jamey with a shotgun saying "This is my Boomstick!" before I could see that one." DJCahill

by NYTXFAN on Oct 7, 2007 10:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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