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I've seen 5 Rafters games in the past 10 days and thought I'd offer a report.  

Today I saw Andrus get a start at SS for the 2nd time.  He's really smooth defensively and has plenty of arm.  He seems to do a good job of playing within himself and getting in good position to throw.  By this I mean that unlike MY,  who often plants in the hole in order unleash a laser, Andrus glides to the ball and seems to let his momentum do the work.  

From a speed standpoint, I've seen him try to beat out a couple of grounders and he's not quite as fast as I imagined him to be.  I was unrealistically hoping for Reyes type speed, but he moves down the line a lot like Jeter, which is certainly adequate.

At the plate he takes a lot of pitches for strikes.  He's been seeing a ton of curve balls and early in the count he tends to watch them go by, which makes me think he's sitting fastball on pretty much every pitch right now.  With 2 strikes, I've seen him strikeout swinging on 3 curveballs low and away in the 8 at bats that I've seen.

Today he faced hard throwing Cardinals prospect Jason Motte in the 8th inning.  I saw Motte in Mesa last week and a Cardinals scout present was particularly excited about Motte's chances of taking on a setup role in the near future.  Motte was sitting at 96 today according to the guns near me.  On the 2nd pitch, Elvis ripped a fastball off of the center field wall for a double.  Similarly, he ripped a ground rule double over the 400 foot sign last Wednesday during a game.  Looking at his minor league numbers I didn't think he'd have nearly the bat speed that he clearly does.      

As far as other AFL observations.  Evan Longoria has the best bat speed of anyone I've seen out here (I'd put Andy Laroche second).  He's also got an unbelievable arm.  He wasn't quite as disciplined at the plate as I thought he'd be.  He looked terrible in his first 2 at bats before ripping, and I mean ripping, doubles in his next 2 appearances causing scouts to start smiling at one another. If he's in the bigs for a full year next year I don't think he'll have any problem hitting 25 homers.

Teagarden has really bulked up since his college days.  He has arguably the biggest forearms on the team.  He's coached first base a few times, but I've only seen him get one start.  From the limited throwing I've seen, his arm looks solid, but not spectacular.  He looked a little slow down the line on the one chopper that I saw him hit, but he also ripped a double with a lot of authority in a game last week.

Duran has been very impressive.  I've been pleasantly surprised by how quick his hands are defensively.  His range appears to be average at best, but he's turned a couple of impressive double plays and has handled every chance that he's been able to get to.

At the plate, he has a short and compact stroke.  He hits everything hard and has ripped a few balls back up the middle.  Scout's sitting around me have been impressed with him.

Finally, Jr. Mayberry looks awfully good in a uniform.  He's been solid in right field and has a little more speed than I thought he would.  His legs are very skinny.  His arm is definitely playable out there.  He hits the ball hard when he makes contact and impressed scouts with his homerun in Mesa last week.  

To me, his swing is just too long right now.  On multiple occasions he's been late on seemingly pedestrian fastballs.  Following one of these swings a Yankees scout sitting in front of me in Scottsdale last week shook his head and muttered something to Steve Stone who was sitting next to him.  I'm worried that he'll never hit for enough average to be an above average corner outfielder.

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Thanks great info!
Look out Aggie this is the game coach Fran gets fired afterwards. Boomer Sooner!

by boomer1 on Nov 6, 2007 6:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

that was an awesome recap
i've only seen mayberry a couple times and i got the same impression.  

what is it with the rangers and long swings (mayberry and botts).  both of these guys had labels of having long swings with management vowing to change them, only for them to end up with long swings.  i don't get it.  are we supposed to be under the impression that mayberry's swing on draft day was even longer than it is now?  or, is he still going to try to shorten his swing?  seems like with botts, someone just gave up, and seeing as how mayberry has made it to frisco with a long swing, we are doing the same thing with him.  very perplexing.  anyway, the rangers better not ever draft a long swing hitter again.  maybe other clubs can fix them but we can't.

by ab03 on Nov 6, 2007 6:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Botts & Mayberry
One big thing to point out with those two:

Mayberry: 1st round pick out of a major Division I college program

Botts: 46th round pick out of a California juco

Massively different expectations there...

"Then I met some friends for a beer, went to a BoDeans's concert, and son of a vondruke, if I didn't leave him at the concert hall."

by RCCook on Nov 6, 2007 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
but i feel like there situations became the same once botts moved up the prospect rankings and became a legitimate DH option.  At that point, he might as well have been a top pick.  Anyway, both instances, the rangers tried to shorten a long swing and seemingly both times they gave up, although it may be a little too early to say that about mayberry.  But, you have to think mayberry isn't changing his swing again for a while, at least not until he fails an audition at triple-a (or the majors).

by ab03 on Nov 6, 2007 10:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not like
changing out a light bulb.  Guys who have long swings, have long swings.  Its really hard to drastically change that.  

by badradiorules on Nov 6, 2007 11:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yet
that was what the rangers wanted to do with mayberry as soon as they drafted him

by ab03 on Nov 7, 2007 9:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thus
my issue with him being drafted in the first round.  

You don't draft guys that need drastic changes in the first round.  It may work out, but its a big risk.

by badradiorules on Nov 7, 2007 9:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff.
Colbert/Colbert '08

by rooster on Nov 6, 2007 6:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Harrison
I haven't seen Harrison pitch yet.  If I catch a glimpse during the next few weeks I'll try to post something.

by hperl345 on Nov 7, 2007 12:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Awsome
Have you gotten to see Harrison throw?

by badradiorules on Nov 6, 2007 9:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I saw Harrison Friday in Mesa
I posted some comments here: http://www.lonestarball.com/comments/2007/11/5/212811/345/24#24

The bottom line is that I was very impressed. Of course I wasn't expecting very much, but the day I saw him he looked very good. While the scout I talked with doesn't think he'll miss a ton of bats, if he is able to keep mixing his pitches the way I saw him do he'll get enough to be successful. In Arizona, I like to watch key matchups and Harrison handled Matt LaPorta pretty easily, getting a lazy fly to Mayberry with a man on base and then striking him out in the 4th.

I'd definitely put him in the Rangers top 10 prospects based on what I saw. Not sure what to do with him versus Beavan and Main. They have possible upside, but Harrison looks a lot more likely to make it to the big leagues.

Before seeing him I expected a #5 starter/innings-eater type of potential, but I think he pitches intelligently enough to be a middle of the rotation guy. So for me it's probably Hurley-Kiker then Harrison/Beavan/Main are lumped together until I get a better feel for what Main and Beavan are capable of one way or the other.

by Brandon Wilson on Nov 7, 2007 9:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

great info
really nice news, especially for some of us that never get close to the minor leaguers in person.
Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Nov 7, 2007 12:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good notes
I appreciate it.
Sideshow ... onto 800. You can do it!

by Chase Irwin on Nov 7, 2007 8:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Andrus
I was more impressed with Andrus than hperl. I only saw him play once (in Peoria Saturday). Defensively, he showed soft hands and a good arm. He had three chances to make a spectacular play and did not convert one. Here me say that had he converted any one of the three I would have been raving about his defense, but as it is I'll say I think he can be good defensively.

One hard hit grounder up the middle he showed good range to even be near it, but it got under his glove into CF. He had a chance to make a quick turn on a double play and knowing it was going to be close he put a lot of heat on it and it ended up skipping into first base and the first baseman couldn't handle it, seeing it go by into the dugout. The third play was a high pop down the line in left field, it was so deep, Andrus had no business being near it, the left fielder looked to be in position, but didn't look like he called for it and Andrus kept going back and just missed it, nearly getting tangled up with the left fielder who was hardly even moving by that time.

Anyway, I think he will have value defensively and with experience, he will make one or two of those spectacular plays (and the one to the outfield he won't have to as an adequate outfielder calls him off).

As far as the bat, he will have to learn how to hit breaking balls. Having said that, his pitch recognition seems pretty good and right now he just lays off stuff he can't hit. When he does swing, I think he gets a lot out of it and given that he is a teenager if you project an average amount of filling out, he can turn a few doubles on mistake pitches into homers as he gets older.

Personally, I think he projects as and Edgar Renteria-type. The scout I talked with used Orlando Cabrera as a comp, but I should say he likes Andrus better than most. Some scouts just think his bat won't play enough to make it as a regular. Assuming he plays in Double-A at some point next season we should start to get answers to that question.

by Brandon Wilson on Nov 7, 2007 9:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

"Here me say"
obviously... hear me say [my bad]

"and Edgar" = an Edgar

by Brandon Wilson on Nov 7, 2007 9:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Texas Tea
I didn't really see enough to make a judgement on his defense, I assume it's good because that's his reputation. I certainly didn't see anything to make me say otherwise.

What I did see is the same thing hperl mentioned. A more imposing figure at the plate than I expected. One scout told me he was by far the most impressive hitter in batting practice for the Rafters that morning (although not everyone batted since it was an optional day batting/fielding choice). He used all fields and showed plenty of power to dead center field (if you've been to Arizona you know about the big walls in CF that serve as hitters backdrops, he apparently hit a couple halfway or more up those walls in BP).

I honestly did not think much of him as a hitter when he was drafted and didn't change my opinion even with the good numbers (bad hitters can have a good season). The scout said something that made me change my mind. "Some guys just hit better with a wood bat". Sounds strange, but I guess it makes sense. I still want to see it again, but my expectations are higher now for Teagarden. I have gone from expecting a solid backup to expecting a solid regular at catcher.

By the way, the subject refers to his catchers helmet which says "Texas" on one side and "Tea" on the other... I like it.

by Brandon Wilson on Nov 7, 2007 10:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanx to both you guys.....
good info, and nice to hear reports that are seen in person.....good stuff!

by tklawless on Nov 7, 2007 11:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Mayberry
Not much to add, he is pretty well documented. He does fine in right field and made a nice diving catch the day I saw him (Friday in Mesa). He even made a nice throw that held a runner at third. It was not a cannon shot, but it was strong and accurate. It was the same day he hit the home run so I probably saw him at his best. He does look athletic and I was surprised at how tall he was, but I now see the Derrek Lee comparisons. For some reason I didn't really notice that heighth in Frisco (probably a factor of where I was sitting).

I heard a couple of scouts agree on the same thing. He'll either be a very good regular (bordering on all-star) or he'll be a career minor leaguer. At first, you might say "duh", but the point is that there is no middle ground. I interpreted it to mean that he still has adjustments to make, if he makes them he will be very good, if not he won't be good enough to even hang around. I am optimistic, but he may have to bottom out completely to really turn his attention to changing the way he does things at the plate. Right now, he is good enough at punishing mistakes (like he did in the game I saw) he gets away with things that probably won't work at the next level. Word is that he has been frustrated at times with having less success than ever before. Perhaps he is a fierce enough competitor to do something about it.

by Brandon Wilson on Nov 7, 2007 11:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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