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Rating Daniels Offseason Thus Far

There seems to be a sentiment that John Daniels is addressing the rebuilding of this team in the wrong way.  Some of the common statements here and elsewhere by Rangers fans are:

  1.  "Why would you trade a stud young pitcher for an injury prone centerfielder?"
  2.  "Why would he go out and sign an injury prone headcase to play the corner outfield spots?"
  3.  "This team is most likely the worst that the Rangers have aseembled since 2000."
To evaluate what Daniels has been doing this offseason, we need to look at where the Rangers ended last year.  Despite a strong second half, the team still was rather miserable both offensively and defensively.

Only two teams in the AL had a worse OBP as a team, and they were right in the middle of the pack in SLG.  Only four teams in the AL had a worse batting average.  The Rangers had a below average OPS in comparison to both the AL and all of MLB.  Only one team had more strikeouts, and only three teams took fewer walks.

Yeah, the Rangers hit 56 more home runs than the Angels, and surprisingly were able to score a good number of runs (7th overall).  but the fact of the matter is that the offense was still rather terrible.  So in what areas was the offense worst?

  1.  OBP - Only two teams were worse.
  2.  BA - Only four teams were worse.
In terms of pitching, the Rangers were pretty bad as well.  There were only three teams with a worse ERA than the Rangers.  The Rangers pitchers were right in the middle of the pack in hits allowed, but what killed them was the fact that they were last in the league in strikeouts and second in walks allowed.  Since ERA is a result of a number of factors, what areas would Daniels need to address to help improve pitching?
  1.  Pitchers with better K/BB ratios
  2.  Team defense (particularly up the middle)
So how has Daniels addressed these four highly critical areas in terms of preparing this team for 2008, but ultimately for 2009 and beyond?  Let's look at each one individually.

Team OBP
The worst positions in terms of OBP last year were left field, right field, catcher and third base.  After Teixeira was traded, the first base position struggled in terms of OBP as well.

How has Daniels addressed this problem?

  1.  He signed Bradley to play one of the corners.  He has a career .358 OBP and had a .402 OBP last season.  That's a far upgrade over the .323 and .332 OBPs that the corners put up for the Rangers last year.
  2.  Obviously, Daniels didn't need to address third base since Blalock is healthy, and when he played last year he had a .358 OBP.  This spot of the lineup is simply fixed by Blalock being healthy.  There's not much Daniels can do about this position.
  3.  At catcher, Daniels has committed to having Salty as the regular.  Laird had a .278 OBP last year, and Salty had a .310 OBP.  So that's a slight upgrade, but as we all know Salty has potential to improve on that immensely.  After all, he had a career minor league .370 OBP.
  4.  At centerfield, the Rangers put up a decent .343 OBP, but the .368 that Hamilton put up last season is an upgrade.  It's also a huge upgrade in terms of SLG (.554 to .423).
  5.  At first base, which was rather bad after Teixeira left, the Rangers are going from Wilkerson (.319 OBP), Botts (.326) and Cat (.328 as a 1b) to Chris Shelton (.348 career / .340 in 2006) and a slight upgrade in Broussard (.330 last year).
  6.  The trade for Shelton and signing of Broussard also free up Cat to hit DH.  He had a .363 OBP in the second half of last season compared to the .311 OBP that the Rangers got from Sosa for much of the year.  That is another significant upgrade in my opinion.
Overall I'd give Daniels an A+ in this regard

Team BA
Team batting average should be improved from the reasons mentioned above, but here are some other things to note.

  1.  Among hitters with at least 300 ABs, the Rangers worst batting averages belonged to Laird, who is now a backup, and to Vazquez (.230), who shouldn't play much next season at all, and then to Wilkerson (.234), Cruz (.235) and Sosa (.252), who are all no longer with the team.  The next worst hitter was Cat who hit .260 overall.  Cat did hit .288 in the second half though, which bodes well.
  2.  The Rangers have brought in Broussard (.275 last year), Shelton (.273 in 2006), Bradley (.306 last year) and Hamilton (.292 last year).
Overall I'd give Daniels an A- in terms of addressing this need.  It's not an A or A+ simply because I don't understand the Broussard signing.

K/BB ratio
Daniels has done the least in addressing this need.  The Rangers still have Millwood who had the best K/BB ratio both last year and in 2006.  That's despite leading the team in BB/9 last season.  Overall, the Rangers have much of the same rotation and bullpen coming back, and their losses are primarily Volquez, Wright and Otsuka.  

Otsuka of course had serious arm problems, but had a 1/1 K/BB ratio before the injury.  In 2006, his K/BB ratio was stellar, but there were too many medical issues for the Rangers to give him a contract.

Wright gave up a ton of BBs.  He had "electric stuff" according to scouts, but was highly inconsistent last season (as he has been through his whole career).

And then there is Volquez, and this is the one that hurts.  Volquez can definitely strike guys out when he's on.  But he can also walk a lot of batters.  He walked just under 4 batters per 9 IP last year in the minors, despite having an outstanding season.  I love Volquez, and think he will end up being a good major leaguer eventually, but also know that losing him does not drastically effect the 2008 Rangers K/BB ratio.

The Rangers brought in Kaz Fukumori, who is a huge question mark, but projects to a mediocre to below average major league reliever and should have little impact on the bullpen.

Like I said before, Daniels has done the least in this area, but ultimately there aren't that many other options.  A Colon/Jennings/Silva type is only slightly better than allowing Mendoza, Murray, Gallaraga, etc. time in the majors...especially when considering their cost.  

Overall I'd give Daniels a C- in this regard.  He didn't improve the team any, but didn't hurt them much either.  Still, the loss of Volquez hurts.

Team Defense
People tend to undervalue the impact that team defense has on pitching.  The pitchers on this team suffered a great deal from poor defense last season, and particularly in the outfield.

If Bradley is healthy and plays a corner spot, then he is a well above average defender.  Hamilton is an above average defensive centerfielder.  Those two spots alone should help upgrade the team defense drastically.

Overall I'd give Daniels an A in this regard.

So despite all of the complaining about how Daniels isn't addressing the team's needs this offseason and how he's making stupid decisions, the fact of the matter is that he is addressing needs and he is making this team better.  Offensively he has made some very good improvements in key stats (i.e. OBP and OPS), and defensively he has upgraded the corner outfield and centerfield rather drastically, which is a key defensive position.

I'd give him an A so far for the offseason, let me know what you'd give him and tell me why in the comments.

Poll
How would you rate Daniels offseason?
A
29 votes
B
47 votes
C
6 votes
D
0 votes
F
1 votes

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Salty...
I don't think Daniels has committed to him being the starter next season.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Dec 23, 2007 4:48 AM CST   0 recs

Yeah, you're right...
Daniels said that he was committed to playing Salty at catcher next season, because that's where he's best suited.

So I guess that "could" mean that Salty starts in OKC and then comes up to the Rangers after a few months.  Still, even if that is the case, once he does come up, Salty should be an upgrade over Laird offensively.

by rangeressary on Dec 23, 2007 5:14 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Benji, stick to comedy, please
where do ya'll get this Salty to AAA shit?

by tklawless on Dec 23, 2007 7:57 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Compare
the 40-man right now with one year ago.  Then, of course, compare the minor league system with a year ago.  A world of difference there.

Moving in a positive direction with good players under team control for a while.  The team has quite a stockpile of athletic, projectible middle infield, CF, and C types who could help the team on the field or via trade.

If the Rangers are going to contend anytime soon, it's going to take more than a couple big trades and blockbuster FA signings.  It'll also take many small moves that incrementally improve the club over time, step by step.  

The team is better right now both offensively and defensively than it was in October.  It would be nice to have strengthened the pitching staff, but if the market is not there for it you can't invent it.  You go where the market is and improve in whatever way you can.  More runs scored than runs allowed, however you can make that happen.

Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Dec 23, 2007 5:25 AM CST   0 recs

Hear hear
Daniels is taking a methodical approach to improving this thing, bit by bit. I know people are getting impatient (especially with the pitching) but you can't turn a team around in a heartbeat. I think if we win 80 games this year with some encouraging performances by the young guys (McC, CJ, Salts, Hobbs, Kinsler, possibly even Hurley)Hicks may give the go-ahead to splurge for a guy like Sabathia.
Hop on the bandwagon while It's still fashionable: Rickey Henderson for Centerfield in '08!

by BudLight on Dec 23, 2007 7:40 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

yeah
worst team assembled since 2000 is a big overstatement......I'm actually pretty happy with this team/farm.......if all our prospects stay on track and we get a couple of breakout seasons(Mayberry, Andrus, Harrison), we'll be in good shape the upcoming seasons....

by slash on Dec 26, 2007 5:42 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

great diary
I like the way you laid that out.

And I give JD an A- based mainly on the strength of the Benoit resigning, and the OF additions of Bradley and Hamilton.

I'm less than impressed by Broussard, Fukumori, Alfonzo, but they cost so little in terms of assets that I can't complain. The LaTroy Hawkins courtship scared me.

If JD can move Laird out of here for something worthwhile, then the grade gets bumped up.

Juevos Daniels: biggest stones in the business.

by tricer on Dec 23, 2007 8:02 AM CST   0 recs

great article
I agree 100%. I give him an A.
"2008 should be about rebuilding, 2009 about taking a step forward. 2010 is the target year." -AJM

by dstar442005 on Dec 23, 2007 9:04 AM CST   0 recs

i give him an A
just based on the fact that he has committed to no long term contracts that will hurt the teams future, gave up no draft picks that will set us back, and traded none of the teams top prospects.  yes, he did trade away a young pitcher, but he got a young middle of the order type centerfielder the should be a huge piece in building this thing going forward.  now i would like to see colon signed for one year with a team option and be done.  great job JD, the future is bright.  by the way, those who dont think JD has done a good job since he has been here, how do you explain the great inprovment in our farm system under his direction?  this has to count for a lot.

by sanangelofan on Dec 23, 2007 9:12 AM CST   0 recs

Defense
Thank you for noting that Daniels, as opposed to almost every fan and media type in town, realizes that the Rangers traditionally play defense like a grade school softball team. Plus, he apparently realizes that defense matters, something else that few fans and media understand.

by cubsfan99 on Dec 23, 2007 9:52 AM CST   0 recs

My problems with Daniels this offseason
Getting Shelton and the Broussard was unecessary.  As has been pointed out quite a bit here, Shelton's splits against righties are better than Broussard so the idea of a platoon makes no sense.  So now we have Shelton, Broussard, Cat, and Botts all filling the DH/1B/COF platoon and none of them should really be anything other than a DH.

I don't like the Bradley signing.  The numbers you posted certainly show that Bradley is an upgrade offensively to anything we had last year.  I just have a hard time believing he will play more than 100 games so those numbers while very good end up looking worse.  Plus, if he does end up missing lots of time his trade value is negated and the lineup will have to constantly be juggled to deal with his absence.

The Hamilton trade is similar to the Bradley signing.  Just looking at his potential numbers is great but what are the chances he plays 150 games?  He's one line of cocaine away from being out of baseball for good.  That may sound harsh but it's true.  How many times have we seen and heard guys like this talk the good talk only to fall off the wagon again and again.  If Hamilton had just been a free agent signing that would have been fine but trading away a guy like Volquez for him is a mistake.  

The Salty/Laird situation to me is the worst because the decision to make Salty the starting catcher put the Shelton/Broussard moves into motion and weakens the lineup on an everyday basis.  I know that Salty looked bad at 1B last year but he needs to be there and in the lineup everyday instead of catching and having to take so many days off.  To me, having Salty at first and Laird catching is much better than having Shelton and/or Broussard in the lineup on a regular basis.  

Overall, I give Daniels a C.  I don't like the moves very much but at least he is trying to do something and none of them are team killers.

 

Oh Man!!!!

by SwiperNoSwiping on Dec 23, 2007 9:57 AM CST   0 recs

Laird / Salty / Broussard / Shelton
Why would you say Laird & Salty is better offensively than Salty and either Broussard or Shelton at 1B?  

by AZranger on Dec 23, 2007 10:16 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly
It's not, and even if Laird somehow doesn't repeat his abortion of a season, as some here think for some reason, he likely wouldn't outperform Broussard.  This is a much improved team both short-term and long, and that's all you can ask from a rebuilding team.

by brettgardner on Dec 23, 2007 11:11 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I agree with this
couldn't have said it better.......although i might've wanted Cat to platoon at 1st to free up an OF spot, so we wouldn't have to cut somebody that we might regret doing later

by slash on Dec 26, 2007 5:46 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Salty in the lineup
If Salty plays 1B he is in the lineup everyday.  If he catches then he will likely miss 20-30 games to rest.
Oh Man!!!!

by SwiperNoSwiping on Dec 23, 2007 12:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

If you
play Salty at 1B everyday, you have Gerald Laird in the lineup a lot. I will go on record as to saying that Laird will not be as good of a hitter as Broussard or Shelton.

by FirebatM3 on Dec 23, 2007 4:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

That is probably true
Another reason I want Salty as the everyday 1B is the prospects in the minors.  If you have him catch then what happens when Teagarden is ready?  You may have to move Salty there eventually anyway so why not do it now and get him on the road to improving his defense.  If Salty catches who plays 1B next year and beyond?  The Rangers don't have any prospects on the horizon.  I just think that it's possible the team could be better this year with Salty at first but it will certainly be better in the future with him there.
Oh Man!!!!

by SwiperNoSwiping on Dec 24, 2007 8:34 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Not so fast
I like Teagarden as much as anyone, but it's pretty silly to put Salty at first now assuming that Tea will be everything we hope a couple of years from now.  IF Teagarden comes up and presents a very pleasant problem in 2009, THEN you maybe consider moving Salty to first unless you've addressed 1B before then.
Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Dec 24, 2007 10:09 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Why not now?
It seems that everyone is kinda looking down the road anyway so why not get Salty started on learning to play 1st base so he's not a liability there when the team is ready to win.  As for Teagarden, IF he does become a quality option at catcher then the 1B problem has already been addressed.  Having Salty catch and the gaggle of mediocrity platoon at 1B this year is the kind of thinking for a team that thinks it can compete now.  That's not the 2008 Rangers.
Oh Man!!!!

by SwiperNoSwiping on Dec 24, 2007 12:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Why on earth
would you take a catcher and convert him into a 1B if you don't have to?  Salty has much more value if he can stick at catcher than he does at 1B.  His offense does not project well enough for him to be above average at 1B, but at catcher he would be a tremendous asset.  

It is just plain silly to move him now when you have absolutely no idea what Teagarden will be doing later on.  You're really putting the cart before the horse.

Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Dec 24, 2007 12:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

2 reasons
You have viable catcher to play now.

You supposedly have organizational depth at catcher and none at 1B.  Isn't one of the reasons people are fine with trading Volquez because the Rangers have pitching depth now?  So if we are relying on this pitching depth to come through and making moves like it is then why not the catching depth?  

And hey, if he turns out to be a butcher at 1B and Teagarden is a bust then put him back behind the plate.  His knees will be thankful for the rest.

Oh Man!!!!

by SwiperNoSwiping on Dec 24, 2007 1:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Chris Davis
He's a better prospect than Teagarden.  I'd prefer Salty and Teagarden behind the plate and Davis at 1B, to any variation with Salty at 1B.

by AZranger on Dec 24, 2007 3:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

works both ways
C. Davis is probably going to be ready to play 1st next year........plus Salty seems to hit better when he plays C and that's where his value is at......having a Catcher put up his numbers is something special.....a 1st baseman? not so much.....

by slash on Dec 26, 2007 5:48 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

For whatever reason...
Salty hit really well when catching and was horrendous when playing first.

Catcher: .876 ops (157 at bats)
1st: .582 ops (133 at bats)

I'll take my chances with him behind the plate.

by slimshadty12 on Dec 24, 2007 3:02 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

i think it has to do
with him being comfortable or something mental

by slash on Dec 26, 2007 5:49 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Question.....................
 "and then to Wilkerson (.234), Cruz (.235) and Sosa (.252), who are all no longer with the team."  
When did Cruz leave the team?

" The pitchers on this team suffered a great deal from poor defense last season, and particularly in the outfield."
I agree.  Defense was terrible but not just from the outfield.  It was bad all aroung.  Kinsler's no error streak was probably hands down the best shown from the defense all year.

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Dec 23, 2007 10:16 AM CST   0 recs

Cruz
I'm assuming he is either about to get DFA'd or that he will be back in OKC.  I see almost no chance that he plays much this season for the Rangers.

by rangeressary on Dec 23, 2007 5:58 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

cruz
there's no going back to okc unless he clears waivers as he's out of options
Can you please Look into getting a less funny signature? That's sarcasm, btw. - Sharky

by rentz on Dec 23, 2007 6:23 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Cruz
Although I'd like to trade him, I wouldn't care if someone picked him off waivers...it would mean he isn't going to hurt the major league team any more.  (I can't stand Cruz, in case you couldn't infer that.)

by FuturePants on Dec 26, 2007 12:52 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

My Grade
I give Daniels an F.

When he took over 2 years ago he talked about OBP and Pitching.  Both those categories have stunk under his reign.

All he is doing now is padding Daddy's wallet with his potpouri of crappy moves and signings this off-season.

However, in his next press conference he'll blow smoke up all the Ranger sheep's ass about the future.

by LBrooks on Dec 23, 2007 11:30 AM CST   0 recs

Forget
the meds this morning?

by mrpman on Dec 23, 2007 12:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

He forgot
to get his drunk ass into his F350 and get him some more Jack Daniels!
Don't worry Cheyenne Kimball, I still love you.

by miles on Dec 24, 2007 6:42 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm shocked
to hear this.
"As of now they're (The Astros) world series favorites. Period." - Sharky

by DJCahill on Dec 24, 2007 6:24 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

For The Record
2005 Season:

era - 4.96
runs - 865
wins - 79
OBP% - .329

------------------------

Juniors reign:

2006:

era - 4.60
runs - 835
wins - 80
OBP% - .338

2007:

era - 4.75
runs - 816
wins - 75
OBP% - .328

-----------------------

2 years and pretty much the same old stuff.

Someone please (besides Newberg) spin Juniors 2 year reign as making progress.

by LBrooks on Dec 24, 2007 3:46 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

This kind of stuff
is a little like blaming the president for the economy when he's only been in office for two years.  Yes, some of what's going on is his fault (the GM or the pres.) but you're still dealing with the residue of the previous administration as well.

I can see disagreeing strongly with some of the decisions Daniels has made certainly.  But to just make blanket statements is wrongheaded and only looks at the surface.  Do you not agree that the level of talent in the system is much better than a year ago?  

If you are going to blame Daniels for the bad decisions he made, you must also give him credit for the good ones.  

Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Dec 24, 2007 6:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ridiculous
is a little like blaming the president for the economy when he's only been in office for two years.  Yes, some of what's going on is his fault (the GM or the pres.) but you're still dealing with the residue of the previous administration as well.

How is JD dealing with residue?  This boy has made numerous changes and turned this roster over quite dramatically in each of  his first 2 years.

by LBrooks on Dec 26, 2007 1:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Cupboard was bare
What was the state of the minor league system when he took over?  Nowhere near what it is now.  And the major league roster had lots of holes as well.

I'm not saying Daniels didn't make any mistakes, but I'll take where they are right now, with the young players they have, over where they were when he took over as GM.  

Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Dec 26, 2007 3:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

What Makes You Think......
.......our Minor League system is so strong?

by LBrooks on Dec 27, 2007 2:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Huh?
What makes you think it isn't?  Every national prognosticator has said the Rangers system has undergone major improvement in the last year, and most now rank it somewhere in the top 10 if not higher.  A year ago it ranked near the bottom.  This is progress.  You must be the only person who doesn't see it that way.
Cranberry Sauce

by t ball on Dec 27, 2007 2:45 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

February 16, 2007.
Which is the date the article was written.  Which squares exactly with what t ball said.

And here's a quote from the article:

"The most important caveat about these rankings is that they aren't particularly forward-looking. The whole system uses only 2006 stats. That means that prospects who have been traded (including in mid-season) are partially counted toward their old team's score, and the rankings include players who have graduated to the big leagues."

Let's wait until the equivalent article this year.

by a bebop a rebop on Dec 28, 2007 6:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Brooksie Boy
is timeless.............

and clueless. LOL

by mrpman on Dec 29, 2007 7:48 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

For Every......
......organizational statement and local media sheep that says this team has a great farm system, I can show you someone who doesn't think the same way.

Such lame arguments.

by LBrooks on Dec 29, 2007 11:50 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

You are a joke
Show some quotes from AFTER the summer trades and 2007 draft.  
Cranberry Sauce

by t ball on Dec 29, 2007 8:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

B
Still a lot of uncertainty with this team, but, also, a lot more upside in the young players.  If he were to bring in a major pitching upgrade, he'd get an A.

I'm trying to remember what I thought of his last offseason.  I liked the BMac move.  Wasn't sure about Wash.  Wished they could've gotten more than Padilla in the SP FA market.  Not a fan of the Sosa signing.  I'd have to say I probably thought last offseason was B or B-, though I somewhat understand his willingness to wait on finding an impact OF bat last offseason until the Rangers had a read on Cruz and Wilkerson.

Since the draft and trade deadline, JD's been on a tear.  He's brought a clear focus to the organization.

Colbert/Colbert '08

by rooster on Dec 23, 2007 12:37 PM CST   0 recs

people talk about winning
You either have to be playing to win a championship or rebuilding to win a championship. Daniels has made it clear that we are rebuilding. Everyone is getting mad about trading Volquez. I love the trade. It has been said that Hamilton has one of the best arms in the bigs. This excites me.

While rebuilding you have to address every position. I think Daniels has done an AMAZING job this offseason on focusing on every position. We have an abundance of young pitchers on their way up and our outfield is weak. He fixed that.

I am not a big Padilla fan, but i think for the money SP are getting this year he is not a bad guy to have around. He pitches with passion and I like that. I look forward to watching he and Millwood rebounding this year.

How can you not like the Bradley signing? We did not give up anything for him. We have a low payroll. Why not go out and get a guy like this with a low risk high reward.

I have never been more excited to be a Rangers fan.
Daniels- A

by Blev2 on Dec 23, 2007 4:14 PM CST   0 recs

Great
The original post here was amazing by the way. Great work with all of the stats.

by Blev2 on Dec 23, 2007 4:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

That does it, Rangeressary
I hereby put you on notice.

You have officially dethroned Zywica as my favorite baseball poster.

Sorry Z, but we'll always have The Wire and Venezuelan teenage summer league message boards.

Why do you hate freedom?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 23, 2007 6:25 PM CST   0 recs

como?
Why do you hate freedom?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 23, 2007 6:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Just joking.
But I am happy that you thought enough of me to use the more polite cómo rather than qué.  Un gabacho cortés.  Thanks.

by brettgardner on Dec 23, 2007 6:46 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Have a good Christmas
Why do you hate freedom?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 23, 2007 6:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

After checking out those stats.....
I had a thought....maybe Wash isn't a dumbass after all (ha!), though the jury is still out on his handling of pitcher's....how the Ranger's were 7th in runs scored with that team & those stats....Wash may actually be a genius!

by tklawless on Dec 23, 2007 8:07 PM CST   0 recs

JD Gets a Solid D
Cmon... Chris Shelton, Ben Broussard, Milton Bradley (coming off a major knee injury suffered in September), Fukomori and Josh Hamilton.

That's a solid D. Right? The major problem between the lines with this team last year was their starting pitching (worst in the AL) and exactly how has that been improved?

Hamilton is a mega-talent but so was Roy Tarpley. If he is healthy and drug-free, the Rangers kill in this trade because this kid is beyond his years but...

...Even if Hamilton overachieves and throws down a 1000+ OPS over the next 5 years, you still have to go to bed every single night worrying about that phone call at 3:00am ... and that phone call is probably coming which is why a talent like this was available for somebody like Eddy V.

by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2007 10:55 PM CST   0 recs

x
"...Even if Hamilton overachieves and throws down a 1000+ OPS over the next 5 years, you still have to go to bed every single night worrying about that phone call at 3:00am ... and that phone call is probably coming which is why a talent like this was available for somebody like Eddy V."

or maybe they have Jay Bruce who can replace Josh Hamilton.

"Dwyade is to basketball what the 40 is to the Rangers." -thedirkatron

by coolaid on Dec 23, 2007 11:00 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe
the worst problem was starting pitching, but certainly the offense was also poor, and you have to admit that it's been upgraded from last year post-Tex.  BMac was hurt for a significant portion of the season and Gabbard came late.  You're a guy who's big on guys being what their past suggests they are.  So shouldn't we expect that Millwood's going to have an ERA closer to 4 than 5, about 200 IP and 12-14 wins?  I can only assume Padilla will be better as well.  With the continued development of BMac and Gabbard, along with whoever wins the 5th spot, I'd have to guess that the pitching staff will be improved without much tinkering.

Now, I'm not suggesting everything's perfect--far from it--but the team is in a position to be competitive next year and it hardly gave up anything to get in that position.  Good short-term and long.  I like it.

by brettgardner on Dec 23, 2007 11:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

This is pretty close
to what I was too lazy to type last night.  I'd add that Daniels made an aggressive move to address the team's biggest weakness - quality in the outfield.
Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Dec 24, 2007 7:13 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

What were your expectations?
I agree - in my opinion, it's not an "A" as some have suggested.  However, what would you have liked the club to do?  In a growth year - and an off-season without much elite talent available - shouldn't the focus be on limiting long term obligations, and acquiring long term assets in key spots?  If you like Hamilton, that's one in the second category.  All of the other moves are just "keep the club afloat" types, designed to keep a level of respectability without the long term "hangover" a multi-year deal might deliver.  Not much gambled, but there's a chance for solid production.

by AZranger on Dec 23, 2007 11:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

But...
if Hamilton is squared away outside the lines, nobody else in MLB was interested in throwing the Reds something more than Eddy V ?

Why wouldn't the Reds (a low payroll team) cut Dunn loose and move Hamilton over to LF?

That way, they'd save $ 13 million and have a younger, more talented and inexpensive player.

by Josey Wales on Dec 23, 2007 11:09 PM CST   0 recs

Welcome to the board
It's been a while since we've had some sparring matches. ;) As in reply to your message, that is what a lot of reds fans were saying on other boards that it would have made more sense to have traded Dunn or Griffey.

And from what I heard, his injury history is a lot more of a concern then his drug addiction since they seem to think he has that under control and he seems to be a devote Christian now so despite how you feel about that, it can't be a bad thing.

This is a trade you can't possibly pass up in our position. Our talent in the outfield in the majors and the minors was horrendous. Besides filling need, I think you make this trade even if you have depth in the outfield. He's just that good.

by slimshadty12 on Dec 24, 2007 3:11 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Eddy V
Maybe that's who they liked.  He does have a lot of upside if he keeps up the trend he showed last year, and he's cheap and under control for a while and Cinci doesn't have a huge budget.
Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Dec 24, 2007 7:09 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

We can all
agree on one thing...  This guy has guts...

If I were in his position, I would not have the balls to do some of the moves he has done...

he's not even 30, and he is puting his GM job on the line.  Thats brave.

by miles on Dec 23, 2007 11:15 PM CST   0 recs

Anyone
know what the internship job Jon Daniels had in 2001 for the Rockies?

by miles on Dec 23, 2007 11:30 PM CST   0 recs

Internship
As far as I know, Daniels spent his time in Colorado in a basement.  That pretty much explains his performance as the Rangers GM.  lol

by LBrooks on Dec 24, 2007 3:51 PM CST to parent up   0 recs