Keith Law tallying HOF votes
Keith Law has tallied the ballots of 50 HOF voters who have posted their votes online, and he currently has only Goose Gossage cracking the 75% line, although Bert Blyleven, Andre Dawson, and Jim Rice are all around 70%.
Tim Raines, unfortunately, is at 50%...he's much more deserving than either Rice or Dawson...
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Why do you say
by Longhorn on Dec 26, 2007 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
this is a good start...
Rice may have been more "feared", but Raines had a better peak and overall career.
by ksf42001 on Dec 26, 2007 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Raines
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 26, 2007 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither
by Brian Hayes on Dec 27, 2007 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Raines v. Rice
by meatbonelefty on Dec 26, 2007 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
easy...
That's not even taking the wide difference in defense into account.
by ksf42001 on Dec 26, 2007 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wide difference in defense
by meatbonelefty on Dec 26, 2007 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fielding percentage for outfielders
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 26, 2007 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Raines
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 26, 2007 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Raines
I'm not sure if Raines' admitted cocaine problem is causing some voters not to vote for him. I hope not. Molitor's similar cocaine admissions didn't stop anyone from voting him in. Raines was a better player than Molitor - he just didn't hang around long enough as a DH at the end of his career to accumulate the same counting totals.
by Brian Hayes on Dec 27, 2007 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
by Brian Hayes on Dec 27, 2007 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rice v. Raines
by meatbonelefty on Dec 26, 2007 7:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
barely? Like by how barely?
by hurlerhurley on Dec 26, 2007 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This all
by miles on Dec 26, 2007 9:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can speak four languages fluently
by hurlerhurley on Dec 26, 2007 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about
by Ed Coffin on Dec 26, 2007 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blyleven
by Ed Coffin on Dec 26, 2007 9:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Blake???
by hurlerhurley on Dec 26, 2007 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Main...
by miles on Dec 26, 2007 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha... close call
by hurlerhurley on Dec 26, 2007 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I typically...
Bert "Be Home" Blyleven
by RangerMoto on Dec 27, 2007 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How can you abhor Chris Berman?
Eric "Sleeping With" Bieniemy?
You're damn right.
by thedirkatron on Dec 27, 2007 2:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike "Your in good hands with" Allstott
by Jukebox Joe on Dec 27, 2007 2:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Royce-a-Roni
by t ball on Dec 27, 2007 6:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott "Would Your Sister" Leius?
by Brian Hayes on Dec 27, 2007 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
by 1man5tools on Dec 27, 2007 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Raines vs Rice
by wekybnmv on Dec 27, 2007 1:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hall of Fame
by Darrell McKown on Dec 27, 2007 7:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh if I had a ballot...
Blyleven - He's an absolute no-brainer. Top five all-time in K's, top 10 in shutouts, 3.31 career ERA. Easily one of the best pitchers of his day and one of the top 50 all-time. He's simply hurt by one stat, wins (even though he's 26th all-time), which would have been more with average run support, and had little to do with how well he pitched.
Raines - He's another pretty strong candidate. In 23 seasons he had a total of 2 full seasons where his OPS+ was below average. He was an unbelievably skilled player who at one time or another in his career led the league in batting average, on base percentage, doubles, stolen bases, runs and runs created. No, he never hit 20 home runs and he ended his career shy of the 3000 hit mark, yet I'm pretty confident that if the prime of his career would have been in Boston, Chicago or New York that he would be a first ballot hall of famer without question.
McGwire - He was no doubt using performance enhancers, but many of his drugs were both legal and accepted by MLB at the time. Furthermore, let's not force him to go through a filtering process that we haven't used for past HOFers (and believe me, there are already many PED users in the hall). The guy put up a career 162 OPS+, with a career .394 OBP. Usually near the top of the league in runs, runs created, home runs and just about anything else that has the word "run" in it, I think McGwire should be in the hall.
The Rest
Gossage - I'd probably vote for him on a good day if I were in a good mood, but it would be a close call. It's hard to vote for a reliever, but considering how unhittable he was from 1975-1985, I'd consider voting for him. Really, still not absolutely convinced that he belongs though.
Dawson - I realize that he was an extremely popular player, but that's not a reason to win a vote. He just isn't hall of fame quality in my opinion. He was slightly above average offensively, and above average defensively. Was he great in either category? No. Did he have a period in his career when he was great in either category? Not really. Does that combination of above average skills make him a good player? Most definitely. Does it make him a hall of famer? No. Just for fun, do a comparison of his 1987 MVP season with Tim Raines 1987 season and tell me if you think Dawson deserved the MVP simply because his team was better.
Rice
When I look at Rice's career I see four very good years (1977-1979 and 1986), but the rest of his career is average or slightly above average for a DH/OF guy. The fact of the matter is that there are already nine LFers in the hall of fame (Musial, Kiner, Stargell, Williams, et. al.), and Rice doesn't come close to their level IMO. This is a guy who was great at Fenway, and terrible elsewhere. As a left fielder he only had a .789 career OPS on the road. That's not a good stat, and definitely not HoF worthy.
Tommy John is an interesting case, and I've heard the ridiculous arguments that Morris should be in the hall, but outside of the ones I've already mentioned, nobody else even comes close to getting my vote.
by rangeressary on Dec 27, 2007 8:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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