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On Akinori Otsuka

I don't get the furor over Akinori Otsuka supposedly recommending San Diego to Kusoke Fukudome.

San Diego is a great part of the world.  The biggest negative is cost of living, which, obviously, isn't a big issue for someone who is going to be getting a $10-15 million per year contract.

Otsuka still lives in San Diego, and that's where he chose to sign when he was a free agent coming over from Japan.

Plus, let's compare Otsuka's four years in the major leagues.  He spent two years in San Diego, where he was successful as a setup man, and where the Pads finished with a winning record in both years, including winning the division in 2005.

Then he came to Texas.  He spent the 2006 season on a team with one of the most unpopular (among players) managers around -- a manager who suggested he wasn't capable of closing despite Francisco Cordero's struggles -- on a losing team with a clubhouse in turmoil.

Then he spent the 2007 season on a team that was a disaster coming out of the gate, with drama between the manager and several players the first few months.  He then was supposedly being shopped by the organization, and then got hurt and couldn't pitch the rest of the way.  He's now in his mid-30s and with an organization that is rebuilding and not planning on seriously competing for at least a year.

Now, tell me...based on that, where would you expect Otsuka has had the more positive experience?  San Diego, or Texas?

Update [2007-12-9 12:58:18 by Adam J. Morris]: -- It was pointed out to me that Otsuka was posted, and thus his choices were sign with San Diego or go back to Japan. My apologies for my mistake.

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Agreed....
its rediculous for ppl to bash him for simply telling Fukudome the reality of this team

by erikj07 on Dec 8, 2007 5:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

totally agree
Now if he was being negative of Arlington, that's where the problem would be. It doesn't have much to do with the teams but more of the city. I'm sure he's told him Texas is goog but Cali is better, that's all

by meatbonelefty on Dec 8, 2007 5:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand this ...
Are you saying that if he told him that Arlington is a pit that there is a problem with that?  Are you saying that Arlington can compete with San Diego?  San Diego is a really nice place to live -- arguably one of the best.  

The Metroplex is one big ass of a place to live and its not coincidence that Arlington is situated right where the anus would be.

by abc123 on Dec 8, 2007 11:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DFW
I would agree that Arlington isn't that great. I lived there for seven years during college and a bit after, and aside from the Rangers, there's not a ton going on there.

But I lived in Fort Worth for 14 years, and have lived in Dallas for the last three and a half, and love both cities, although they're very different.

I've been to a lot of other cities, and other than perhaps Phoenix or Austin, I haven't found any that I liked as much as this area. Granted, I've never been to any of the major cities in the Northeast or California, but I'm a Southerner by birth, and Texas suits me just fine.

"Then I met some friends for a beer, went to a BoDeans's concert, and son of a vondruke, if I didn't leave him at the concert hall."

by RCCook on Dec 9, 2007 12:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't understand...
why people are making so much out of this. It is not a big deal at all.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 8, 2007 5:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeh get over it !
Aki's stay here has been a nightmare. Should he of lied to him? Fukudome would of been Fuk u aki
after about a month of spinning in this fresh hell called Arlington.
"Santa all I want is a new owner for the Rangers. Pee Wee and Wash can stay." - Me

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 8, 2007 5:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

would of been
You mean would have been (would've).  Sorry, that is maybe my biggest pet peeve when it comes to word usage.
Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Dec 8, 2007 9:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do we even know...
whether it was the team or the city of San Diego he recommended?

Anyway, agreed;

besides, it must be hard for AO to be enthusastic for Rangerdom, since
he knows that he is yet another veteran we need to resurrect and then trade at the ASB, as part of our rebuilding.

I think our Project Vet-Resurrection should include inviting Aki to be our closer 'til then.

by subsidiarity on Dec 8, 2007 5:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Gagne to the Brew Crew--we better like Oki
With Yahoo sports saying Gagne is signing a one-year deal with the Brewers, we had better get something out of Aki...

by Muguy on Dec 8, 2007 5:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

C'mon guys
Why do ya'll act like it is such a big deal that nobody wants to play here?
Some professionals get better with age and experience. Lawyers, professors, engineers. Hookers? Not so much. -- DJ Cahill

by tricer on Dec 8, 2007 5:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

on a bright note
I think we still have a damn good chance in signing Fukudome.

We should find out in the next few days if he intends to play in the US or stay in Japan.

If he decides to play here then the Rangers could very well be the front runner in getting him.

We've got the money to sign him. Get it done and bring him to Texas. Like Tom Hicks said... It's all about money. Thats why we lost Hunter. So, I say if he wants to play for MLB. Then the Rangers should go all out and sign him.

Guess we'll find out in a few days as to what's up with Fuk.

btw.. fuk u OtSUCKa and the stinking ass Padres.

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by LtDan on Dec 8, 2007 5:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Chris Young is on the Padres
eom
T.R. -- enough is enough.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 8, 2007 7:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As I mentioned in the side diary
there is a big problem in my opinion when players are recommending to other players to go play elsewhere.  

This is simply an echo of how free agents feel about coming to Texas, they don't want to.  This should be a warning sign to Jon Daniels that perhaps players here aren't even happy.  

This reminds me very much of when Mark Cuban took over the horrid Dallas Mavericks.  He made drastic changes, including I remember changing the chairs that the Mavs sit on during games and providing each player with play stations in their lockers.  Sure they are relatively small, but it brought the team attention and made Dallas a more attractive place to play, even when they weren't a great team at the time.  

Something like that needs to take place with the Texas Rangers.  When players on our own team are telling others to play elsewhere, it is time to make some inherent changes to this franchise.  

This is a big deal.

I mentioned this earlier in the side diary, but this is the equivalent of a German free agent in basketball coming over to the States and seeking advice from Dirk.  And instead of telling him to play alongside him with the Mavs he says go play with San Antonio, you will like it more.  

We would never imagine Dirk doing that.  We know that Dirk wants to win so badly that clearly he would want a great talent on his side trying to win.  He would only make such a suggestion if he was extremely unhappy with the Mavs.  So either Aki doesn't care about winning, and if so we should trade him, or if Aki is that upset with the Rangers, I imagine it isn't just him, and the Rangers need to figure out what exactly is going within their clubhouse.

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by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2007 6:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Much different situations
Dirk has been in Dallas his whole career.  Otsuka hasn't.

Dirk is on a championship contender.  Otsuka is on a team that isn't likely to contend before Otsuka is a free agent.

And on Cuban, he made all those changes, but the Mavs still consistently struck out on their big f.a. targets.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 8, 2007 6:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dirk can be
exchanged with anyone that hasn't been on their team their whole career.  And it doesn't matter that Otsuka isn't on a championship contender.  He should want to win, he shouldn't get a free pass from caring because he is a free agent soon.  And it doesn't matter that the Mavs struck out, at least free agents put Dallas on their radar.  
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by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2007 6:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Further
Cuban's changes also brought about a philosophical change in Dallas and their locker room.  The idea that they can and one day will be good.  Clearly Aki has no concept of that.  
Your Texas Rangers...2007-Playing for the Future, 2010-Playing for the Future, 2013-Playing for the Future, 2017-Playing for the Future

by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2007 6:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, clearly
Because we all know exactly what was said, and in what context.

I say we lynch him, and then start on his children.

Clearly.

Dwyade once challenged God to a game of 1-on-1, only to realize that not even God can play 1-on-1 against Himself.

by thedirkatron on Dec 8, 2007 10:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let it go, please.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 8, 2007 6:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Akinori Otsuka is a back stabbing trader
DFA IS SORRY ASS.

he doesn't deserve to play on this team come 2008. How can any teammate, management, or fan forgive him for what he said.

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by LtDan on Dec 8, 2007 6:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, DFA him
Release him, so he can be a free agent and sign with San Diego (or whomever else he wants) for more than he'd get in arbitration.

That'll teach him.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 8, 2007 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Otsuka = backstabber
and is a complete disgrace to this team.

Where the hell is the loyalty and faithfulness to this team? I HATE YOU Akinori Otsuka.

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by LtDan on Dec 8, 2007 6:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me rephrase
I shouldn't have said hate. I meant dislike.

damn, I need to run up to the store brb

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by LtDan on Dec 8, 2007 6:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

trade him...
to San Diego for Chris Young.

by Redcaps on Dec 9, 2007 9:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would rather have...
Adrian Gonzalez back.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2007 9:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Either flawed logic, or bad imagination...
"So either Aki doesn't care about winning, and if so we should trade him, or if Aki is that upset with the Rangers, I imagine it isn't just him..."

...or he's not recruiting for a team he'll be leaving at the ASB.

by subsidiarity on Dec 8, 2007 6:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not too bothered by Otsuka's statements....
I'd probably say the same if I were talking to Fukudome.

OTOH, I think there were people saying that having Otsuka here would be a plus in recruiting Japanese players (to defend the Chris Young fiasco)....

I guess they might not have had it exactly right there....

Req

by Requiem on Dec 8, 2007 6:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Amen Adam
Amen Amen Adam Adam

by 3Bagger on Dec 8, 2007 6:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Calling him a "trader"
... was right, but "traitor" would be wrong.

And until we make him a "trader," let's re-make him into a "closer."

by subsidiarity on Dec 8, 2007 6:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Very Bob Uecker
of you. well done.
Your Texas Rangers...2007-Playing for the Future, 2010-Playing for the Future, 2013-Playing for the Future, 2017-Playing for the Future

by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2007 6:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ha
you're very observative...

However, I meant traitor. That he is.

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by LtDan on Dec 8, 2007 6:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

When one of your best players
essentially says they don't care about winning, I'm not sure what kind of fan you are for not being upset.
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by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2007 6:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'll defend Aki
If you had a friend at a company, and you asked him whether you should accept an offer at his company or at another where he had experience, you'd want him to be honest with you, right?  

I also think Aki's recommendation is as much about culture as it is about the team.  

I don't prefer San Diego to Texas, but then again, I'm a Texan living in California.  If I were Japanese, you'd better believe I'd prefer So Cal.  The weather is more similar to that of Japan, there are many, many more Japanese restaurants and stores, and frankly, the culture here is more accepting of Asian culture here than in DFW.  There is a thriving Japanese community in San Diego with the biotech and computer industry here - it makes sense that Aki would have been more comfortable here than in Texas.

The Padres are not a particularly better run team than the Rangers are, and I've been surprised by the amount of San Diego players' angst that is made public.   Aki was frustrated here playing behind Hoffman, though I guess he probably felt betrayed by the Gagne situation.  As a hitter adjusting to a new league, Fukodome would have to prefer Texas than San Diego

by JBImaknee on Dec 8, 2007 6:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

word
very redic. San Diego >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D/FW area

Very disappointing the way this situation was handled by some 'report'...

by Longhorn on Dec 8, 2007 6:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Who cares about fixing up a rental
... as much as his own home?

"When one of your best players
essentially says they don't care about winning..."

It's human nature to value the permanent over the temporary. Besides, at this point, he's not renting us, we're renting him! He cares about winning in general, but doesn't know for whom in particular.

And you're blaming him for not promoting a team that's about to make HIM its opposition?

By (rightly) rebuilding, we're the ones (albeit without blame) who are making him look out for himself, and his friend while he's at it,in the meantime.

If we hand him the ball in the ninth for the season's first 3 months, it will be mutually beneficial.

by subsidiarity on Dec 8, 2007 6:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hi
Ed!
You're hijacking the thread and being repetitive. Move forward.

by Rodney on Dec 8, 2007 6:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

couple things
  1. I can't comprehend that someone wouldn't understand why it would offend a fan to have one of their players recommend another team. Its not about if they think San Diego is a better place to Texas, they expect the players to have some kind of loyalty to the team and helping it succeed.  Naive or not, its still pretty obvious why the idea is offensive.  
  2. Can we stop acting like the threads on this are 95% people flaming aki and 5% higher minds defending him?  It seems like over half the people say its no big deal, and many of the people criticizing him fill their posts with "IF THIS IS TRUE" or "I DONT KNOW WHAT WAS REALLY SAID, BUT"....

by DSheppard on Dec 8, 2007 6:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1
Your Texas Rangers...2007-Playing for the Future, 2010-Playing for the Future, 2013-Playing for the Future, 2017-Playing for the Future

by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2007 6:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and let me put it this way
Reporter: Michael, the rangers are struggling, would you rather be a redsock?

MY: Yeah, Id love to be in boston.  I really hate that weve given up on the next couple years.  Boston is a much better baseball town, and a much better team, it would be pretty cool if they traded me there.

Is it the truth? Yes.  Would it be acceptable? No.  

Now the Aki situation is different, but there are many people on here acting as if there is just nothing wrong at all with having no tact regarding this kind of situation.  Silly political correctness or not, you just dont do that.  And I have a feeling if that there are a whole lot of truths people here wouldnt want to hear come out of the players mouths.  Or every single person they know.  Its not about rather they are telling the truth or not.

I have a feeling aki probably didnt say anything really against the rangers and was just speaking on vs those two teams, im arguing against the general reactions to those who say a player recommending another team is no big deal, not the specific aki statements.

by DSheppard on Dec 8, 2007 7:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-1
if it offends you that someone wants the best for his friend, giving him his best advice for someone coming to the states for the first time, then, well...that sucks for you to think that way.

by Longhorn on Dec 8, 2007 7:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-2
The fact that Aki doesn't think the Rangers are the best for his friends indicates an inherent problem with the Texas Rangers franchise or how they treat their players.
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by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2007 7:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where is the proof to show
that Aki said not to come to Texas to play baseball?  All I see is him talking about San Diego.  Not the Pads, but San Diego.
""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Dec 8, 2007 7:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Or of course
that Aki doesn't care about winning.
Your Texas Rangers...2007-Playing for the Future, 2010-Playing for the Future, 2013-Playing for the Future, 2017-Playing for the Future

by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2007 7:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
he called you out.  With that kind of flip-floping you should be running the Yanks.
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by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2007 7:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

uh... thanks?
I think we established you've made a post with that sentiment.  Since its kind of like the one I was replying to.

It would be why you said the opposite that I wanted you to explain.

by DSheppard on Dec 8, 2007 7:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
when i made that comment i was solely thinking about what's best for the rangers, thus my 'selfish reasons'. After removing the sports and fan part out of it, then thinking about the cultural situation, the best possible situation for someone coming to the states for the first time, i have no justifiable reason to question what Aki did, and i can't see how anyone else can either.  And i reiterate now, Aki did the right thing for his friend...

by Longhorn on Dec 8, 2007 7:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So...
your initial reaction is that you are offended.

and you insult me for saying it should be obvious why people's reaction may be to be offended.

And then elaborating that the idea may be naive, and later that it involved political correctness and that i specifically was talking about the idea in general and not aki's situation, which I deemed most likely harmless.

ridiculous.

-25.

by DSheppard on Dec 8, 2007 7:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-26
T.R. -- enough is enough.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 8, 2007 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+26?
Guess we're back to 0.
Fire Todd Dodge.

by sprite on Dec 8, 2007 8:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+ 25
nope up to + 25
"Santa all I want is a new owner for the Rangers. Pee Wee and Wash can stay." - Me

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 8, 2007 8:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+100
DShepp is the man.
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by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2007 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

also, it's apparent
you view sports above everything else in life.

by Longhorn on Dec 8, 2007 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1
exactly and the Japaneese are very faithful to their own.
"Santa all I want is a new owner for the Rangers. Pee Wee and Wash can stay." - Me

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 8, 2007 8:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well advocated, Adam.
I disagree, but well advocated.

by Jamey Newberg on Dec 8, 2007 6:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

And I disagreed...
with your comments today in your email.  

Normally you and I are on the same page, but not today.  I don't think it was right to call out Aki in this situation.  Your last line in the email struck me as wrong.

by bdavison94 on Dec 8, 2007 9:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing that i hope for our of this is.....
He went to FUKU and said yeah San Diego is nice.  Its not as hot as it gets in Texas, but let me tell you what,  come play for the Rangers.  They have a good young team and could really use your skills in right field.  Live in San Diego but play for us.
""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Dec 8, 2007 7:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Aki's trade bait
this year anyway.  Better question is why Kinsler won't sign an extension that'll lock him up through his arb years + just his first free agent year.  Any smoke there?

by SteveP on Dec 8, 2007 7:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What is Japanese for "traitor"?
Aki is dead to me.
I own a lot of Apple stock,so buy more iPhones!

by Ajax on Dec 8, 2007 7:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Another thought
Who is to say that Fukodome had any interest at all in Texas.  He may have decided to cross Texas off his list a long time ago.  His question to Aki could have been "I'm down to the Cubs and the Padres - did you like playing in San Diego?"  After all - we've known for a while that his list is kind of short.

This is a simple question with no relevance to Texas at all.  And it is very possible that that is how it went down.

by JBImaknee on Dec 8, 2007 8:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1
"2008 should be about rebuilding, 2009 about taking a step forward. 2010 is the target year." -AJM

by dstar442005 on Dec 8, 2007 8:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
multiple people have said this.  hard to keep track, i think this debate has taken place across three threads

by ab03 on Dec 8, 2007 8:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If there was a hotshot Dominican prospect...
...that every team in the ML, including Texas, was trying to sign, and Sammy Sosa talked to the kid and recommended he sign with the Cubs, would you view the situation any differently?
Some professionals get better with age and experience. Lawyers, professors, engineers. Hookers? Not so much. -- DJ Cahill

by tricer on Dec 8, 2007 9:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
Sammy Sosa doesn't play for the Texas Rangers.
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by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2007 9:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really
Should I be angry at Sammy Sosa if that happened?

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 8, 2007 9:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a situation that could take place
where you wouldn't be mad at sammy sosa?

by DSheppard on Dec 8, 2007 10:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great song
"tierra de peloteros where Sammy Sosa lives"

by brettgardner on Dec 8, 2007 9:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All i know is that San Diego was
discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina...haha...now i am out to the bar
We realize we have an issue at Angel Stadium (Rat problem)

by Hemi Charger on Dec 8, 2007 9:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow
I'm pretty sure you're the first guy to say that here.  Thank god we have comedic geniuses that take the pressure off our brains by just recycling somebody else's hacky work instead of coming up with something new.  HEY GUYS--SANDIEGO MEANS WHALE'S VAGINA! JUSTLIKEANCHORMANGETIT??

by brettgardner on Dec 8, 2007 9:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of comedic geniuses...
I just finished watching Dave Attell's newest stand up on HBO. Holy shit, I was laughing so hard my chest hurts.

His stand up is top 5 easy...highly recommend to those that are not easily offended.

"Do you guys call it b.j.'s or just making throat babies"...great stuff.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 8, 2007 10:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well you dork,
thats what i was referencing...the anchorman movie...only if you have seen you would get it, i never said i came up with
We need to sign Julio Franco, he'll still be around when the Rangers are good again

by Hemi Charger on Dec 8, 2007 10:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I really wish the +1 crap would stop
Do you guys even know where that came from? It doesn't make sense in the context you use it.

It's as annoying as the "First!" stuff.

by chief on Dec 8, 2007 9:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

-1.
J/K. That is annoying.
Fire Todd Dodge.

by sprite on Dec 8, 2007 9:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not nearly as annoying as ....

WOOT !   though :)
"Santa all I want is a new owner for the Rangers. Pee Wee and Wash can stay." - Me

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 8, 2007 10:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

-2
T.R. -- enough is enough.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 8, 2007 10:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?
It's just a quick and easy way of letting someone know you agree with them.

I fail to see the harm.

Dwyade once challenged God to a game of 1-on-1, only to realize that not even God can play 1-on-1 against Himself.

by thedirkatron on Dec 8, 2007 10:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really a quick
and easy +1/-1 is ok, still don't like it, but it's not that bad. But, when it's like +13/-100 etc. Seems a little childish.
Fire Todd Dodge.

by sprite on Dec 8, 2007 10:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?
If you don't have anything to add to someone's comment, why even reply?  

And really, how does +1 equal agreeing with someone?  The first time I saw that used was on Fark when TotalFark members would cast a vote on a headline to get it to appear on the voting tab.

It just doesn't make sense in the context it's used here.

by chief on Dec 8, 2007 11:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you care?
Is your bitching that much better a reply than a +1?

by brettgardner on Dec 8, 2007 11:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll bet you're a Republican.
Sometimes, my friend, you have to make noise for things to change.

by chief on Dec 8, 2007 11:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hah.
Well you can bet anything you like, but I know for a fact that you're an ignorant boob.  For one thing, to extract a political leaning from what I said is ridiculous.  For another, you obviously know nothing about the history of the Republican Party.  Come back here when you have something constructive instead of whining about something that's almost as insignificant as yourself.

by brettgardner on Dec 8, 2007 11:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You know for a "fact" ?
I'm so glad that you were able to determine that truth from the handful of posts I've made in this thread.

I'm envious of your internet judging abilities.

by chief on Dec 8, 2007 11:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You should be.
if you had any grasp of context, you'd understand why I said that.  In any case, keep on bitching about +1.  It's obviously going to work out for you.

by brettgardner on Dec 8, 2007 11:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Brett...
you're a uniter, not a divider.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Dec 8, 2007 11:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.
More useless characters from benmor78.  Can't wait for the next batch.

by brettgardner on Dec 8, 2007 11:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I find it funny
that you would be ballsy enough to say this, considering the fact that your sole contribution to this forum has been complaining about people using a series of characters, which you don't object to in substance so much, just the fact that they don't know "where it came from".  I bet you created it, huh?  If there's a pretentious prick on this baseball blog, it's you.  

by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2007 12:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If there was a way...
for me to filter out all of the useless +1 comments, I would.

Since there's not, the only thing I can do is bring up that it's annoying to me, and see if anyone else feels the same way.

Don't see how that's pretentious.

by chief on Dec 9, 2007 12:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Please.
Read what I wrote.  What's pretentious is that you don't like it because it doesn't fit into your notion of the proper context, seemingly for the sole reason that it was used on another site that you visited and you think people on this forum aren't cultured enough to use it.  Get over it.

by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2007 12:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth...
I agree, chief.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Dec 9, 2007 12:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey
go fetch those posts, boy.

by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2007 12:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do I need to...
go back and link your various, vacillating positions about what are and aren't valid positions to post in threads?
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Dec 8, 2007 11:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If
you want.  Frankly, I don't give a damn what you do.  Wish you felt the same about me.  

by brettgardner on Dec 8, 2007 11:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Origins, context.... what?
Its being used to show that you agree or disagree with a point.  there is no need to figure out origins and context, its a very direct notion.  It makes perfect sense... +1 means you agree, -1 means you disagree...  who cares where it came from.  And its certainly existed before fark anyway, there have been many forum and discussion systems where users could +1/-1 a user or a comment, its usually just built into the system and not actually posted as a comment.

It equals agreeing because the site populace recognizes it as meaning agreeing with someone.

I dont mind it because its nice to get a +1 after you make a point showing someone agrees that probably would have just not said anything otherwise, which can be nice to know.

That said, i can certainly understand why some people would view it as annoying, not contributing to anything and such and wanting it gone or AJM could ask people to stop doing it and that would be fine.

But its not on the same level as "first" which literally has no purpose whatsoever.

And for the record, I have never made a post consisting of just +1 or -1 or any of that.  My -25 after several lines of content is the only time in my thousands of post i can remember using it at all.  So im not just defending myself or something.

I personally dont mind it, but can see that it could definitely get out of hand if it becomes much more commonplace than it is right now.

This is a crazy thread.

by DSheppard on Dec 8, 2007 11:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this post has a distinct lack of +1s
as does my AJM Sosa bash above.

clearly the +1 system is broken, I now approve of its destruction.

by DSheppard on Dec 8, 2007 11:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1?
I'm confused.
Fire Todd Dodge.

by sprite on Dec 8, 2007 11:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
When I make a point, it's nice to see that people agree with me, or even that they disagree.

LSB would suck if all our posting was done in a vacuum.

Sometimes when someone makes a cogent observation, but I don't feel like adding anything to it, I'll just write a "+1", though some of the time I'll type a little message too.

I'm certainly not going to stop just because it annoys some random dude.

Get over it, Chief.

Dwyade once challenged God to a game of 1-on-1, only to realize that not even God can play 1-on-1 against Himself.

by thedirkatron on Dec 9, 2007 12:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+2
People are really making a huge fuss about this, but I guess it's the offseason.

Even "first!" serves a purpose. Whether you recognize the value of it or not is really quite irrelevant.

The only reason the "first!" stopped is because Adam asked for it to stop.

+/- system can't be any more innocuous. It's too bad that you're so offended by it, chief.  

T.R. -- enough is enough.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2007 11:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Aki
I tend to agree with you. We have imperfect information about the situation, so I think Aki deserves the respect that he was just helping a friend and not advocating against his own team.

FWIW, there's a slight difference between Aki and Fukudome. Aki was not a free agent but was posted by the Chunichi Dragons. The Padres then bought the right to negotiate with him - so for Aki it was San Diego or Japan.

by Randy Richardson on Dec 8, 2007 10:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hear hear, Adam J. Morris
Anyone that thinks otherwise obviously hates freedom.

Up yours, freedom haters!

Why do you hate freedom?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 8, 2007 10:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I hate Maoris.
Maoris and Zoroastrians.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Dec 8, 2007 10:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dick
My wife is a Maori.
Why do you hate freedom?

by Brian Thomas on Dec 8, 2007 10:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And I'm Zoroastrian...
love me some fire!
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 8, 2007 10:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Freedom for me,
censorship for everyone else!  It's the American way.
Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Dec 9, 2007 6:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Question
Adam.  Did you ever play on a team?  

by mjh on Dec 9, 2007 7:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes
Up through high school.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 9, 2007 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes
I played college football and when the seasons ended, I would join the basketball team.  

What I don't follow here is that it seems that anyone who has played a team sport would pretty quickly recognize what a destructive thing it is for a teammate to choose to NOT help his own team while choosing TO help another team.

Right after I signed my letter of intent, an evidently disgruntled player on the college team I signed with suggested that I should back out and go to a rival school instead.      I told another guy on the team about it and the turncoat was quickly run out of town on rails.  And I did NOT regret it for one moment.

by mjh on Dec 9, 2007 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully you gave him a Barbaro update
before you tattled.
Dwyade once challenged God to a game of 1-on-1, only to realize that not even God can play 1-on-1 against Himself.

by thedirkatron on Dec 9, 2007 7:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

heh
clever.

Isn't it time for your Dwyade crush to fade?  You like him more than Mike loves Barbaro.

Tomorrow Never Knows

by t ball on Dec 9, 2007 11:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You can't stop the love
for a player as great as Dwyade.

He's the best human in the history of the Earth.

Dwyade once challenged God to a game of 1-on-1, only to realize that not even God can play 1-on-1 against Himself.

by thedirkatron on Dec 10, 2007 8:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I live in Salt Lake...
I came here for college and love my Utes.

But if anyone asked me where to live, either SLC or X (except Laramie, Wyoming or Provo, Utah) then I would tell then to go to X.

There is shit to do in this city except the Jazz and Utes, everyone thinks and looks the same, and it is F'n cold in the winter.

Does this make me a traitor?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2007 9:49 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

would you think about it any differently
If Salt Lake paid you millions to live there?
Some professionals get better with age and experience. Lawyers, professors, engineers. Hookers? Not so much. -- DJ Cahill

by tricer on Dec 9, 2007 10:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No difference
If A pays X $mill and B pays the same $mill, who cares?

I've been to DFW a few times, and it's an ordeal to find a good restaurant or a good bar (although I was successful at one; bars suck). SD and the areas around it (La Jolla) are much better. I'm not trying to start a fight, it's just my opinion. Although that opinion may be pretty screwed up. I've been to lots of places, and yet I've chosen to spend most of my life in Wyoming.

But don't get me wrong, the Temple is fantastic. Hell, so is the Frisco park.

"He says we're going the wrong way." "Oh, he's drunk. How would he know where we're going?" "Yeah. How would he know?"

by WyoRanger on Dec 9, 2007 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure I would have a home in...
Salt Lake, and another in the Bay, which is where I would live when I was not needed at work.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2007 6:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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