Wednesday a.m. stuff
As you can see from the clock at the top, Opening Day is just 54 days away.
That seems kind of weird to me...while the offseason seems to have lasted for a long time, it still feels like baseball season should be more than two months away.
Bruce Chen was officially signed, finally. Evan Grant suggests that participating in the World Baseball Classic may have hurt Chen last season...if that was the problem, that would be a good thing, because it would suggest that Chen would be a better candidate to bounce back and be a solid starter for Texas in 2007.
Grant also talks about Tom Hicks investing in Liverpool. I don't particularly care about this one way or the other, but I do think it is interesting that, just a year or two after Hicks hired someone to look into finding a buyer for the Stars, and on the heels of all these reports that he's going broke, he's now able to pony up $225 million for a soccer team.
T.R. Sullivan has a requiem for Rick Helling, who just announced his retirement.
Craig Brown at BTB has a piece up making the case for Will Clark as a Hall of Famer. I've seen the arguments before -- they mainly center around Candlestick's pitcher-friendly nature depressing the raw numbers in what were some truly dominant seasons by Clark -- but I'm not convinced he's a Hall of Fame caliber player.
He does provide an interesting contrast with the guy he replaced, and ended up replacing him, in Texas...I don't think Rafael Palmeiro ever had a season as good as Will Clark's best couple of seasons, but Palmeiro was better for longer than Clark. The steroid thing makes Palmeiro's HOF possibilities seem almost irrelevant now, but if Palmeiro were to be elected to the Hall, one would have a hard time explaining why he is in and Clark is out.
Also at BTB, John Barten has a profile up on a prospect for the hated Mariners, first baseman Bryan LaHair.
Finally, Aaron Harang has signed a 4 year, $36 million extension with the Cincinnati Reds, buying out his final two arbitration years and his first two free agency years.
Harang, of course, is another one who got away, a pitcher dealt (along with Ryan Cullen) to the Oakland A's for Randy Velarde prior to the 2001 season.
But his development is another small data point in the ongoing debate of the baseball version of nature versus nurture...did the Rangers just happen to trade away the only good pitcher they drafted over a several year span, or did Aaron Harang become as good as he has because he wasn't developed within the Rangers organization, but instead by the A's organization, which has a sterling track record for developing pitchers?
In other words, when we complain about the bad drafts Doug Melvin had in the late 90s, particularly pitching-wise, was the problem with the players that were drafted, or with what the team did with those players once the Rangers had them?
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Bruce Chen
by doolindalton on Feb 7, 2007 9:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Confused
by BReed on Feb 7, 2007 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because
by Brett Perryman on Feb 7, 2007 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Loe
by mtex on Feb 7, 2007 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I imagining things
by shallrelicme on Feb 7, 2007 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rupe
by BReed on Feb 7, 2007 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
career 4.6 era
by ab03 on Feb 7, 2007 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Two reasons
- You can never have enough pitching depth.
- Why not? No risk whatsoever, and he's been decent in the past.
by AZranger on Feb 7, 2007 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4.60 career era
by BReed on Feb 7, 2007 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Put that into context
5th starters are generally much worse than that.
And he was even better in 2005, winning 13 games, throwing almost 200 innings, with a sub-4 ERA.
Chances he's good aren't high, but there is ZERO risk. ZERO.
by AZranger on Feb 7, 2007 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chen
I'd be thrilled if he gave the Rangers 30 starts with a 95 ERA+ in 2007.
by Adam J. Morris on Feb 7, 2007 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if
by t ball on Feb 7, 2007 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Patterns
by BReed on Feb 7, 2007 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Young guys
by t ball on Feb 7, 2007 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Will Clark
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/historical-wsab-41-through-80/
by WyoRanger on Feb 7, 2007 9:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Both
Any chance it was both? We sucked at both drafting and developing under Melvin? Certainly his track record of picking major league pitchers wasn't too awesome.
His drafting and development record as a whole is fairly mediocre. If you take away the one slam dunk, no brainer gimmee, in Teixeira, it is fairly terrible.
by DJCahill on Feb 7, 2007 10:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute
by Chris Martin on Feb 7, 2007 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think
Sheets
Capuano
Gallardo
Suppan
is pretty darn solid. And he's got more positional talent than we do, probably.
He did make a horrible selection with Mark Rogers though. Just think of what he could have added there to his rotation,
by Brett Perryman on Feb 7, 2007 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To finish that sentence/thought
If he'd done the obvious thing and drafted Bailey, good gosh, they'd be looking tough.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 7, 2007 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's Jack Z....
And you're right - he's one of the most underrated GM's in the game. The young players/system he left in Texas after 2001 - in hindsight - was one of the best (Teixeira, Young, Blalock, Hafner, Pena, Mench, Monroe, Nix, Lamb, Botts, Benoit, Masset, Davis, Kolb, Wilson, Duchscherer, Beltre, Volquez). Can't imagine a better position player group existed elsewhere.
by AZranger on Feb 7, 2007 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I got spoiled
by DJCahill on Feb 7, 2007 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does Grieve get credit for Sosa?
I'm not so sure Melvin's list won't be just as good in 20 years, but it's a great discussion:
Teixeira is a Hall of Famer, as is Pudge.
Hafner, Young are great players whose legacies will depend on how long they maintain this level of production - similar to Brown, Gonzalez
Blalock (could move up a class if he rebounds), Monroe, Davis, Mench, Duchscherer, Wilson could all have very nice productive careers in the class of Greer, Palmer, Helling. I know some will consider it heresy to put Rusty in this category - I'm assuming lengthy careers out of a few of Melvin's guys to make them "equivalent."
by AZranger on Feb 7, 2007 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More significant to me
They are entering the sixth year post-Melvin, which is almost his tenure and near Grieve's as well, with only a tiny fraction of the talent produced or in the pipeline.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 7, 2007 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by Brett Perryman on Feb 7, 2007 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Irritating Melvin story
"Easy," the player said. "All your pitchers look the same. By the 2nd or 3rd day, we can lock in."
"Really?" replied our dumbfounded GM. "I never thought of that."
It never occurred to him that it might not be such a good thing to have 4 very similar pitchers in the rotation.
Yeah, Doug, unless they throw 103 MPH, probably not...
by Brian Thomas on Feb 7, 2007 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by BReed on Feb 7, 2007 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For a few (including Daniels' trades)
ARod
Pena (though he turned out to suck and that turned out a good move)
Cordero
Pudge (was just let go)
The franchise was in much better shape when Melvin left it than when Hart left it.
by Brett Perryman on Feb 7, 2007 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a mistake
- Only GM with a Ranger team in the playoffs
- Look what he's done in Milwaukee
- John Hart replaced him and after failing in free agency, eventually followed the course that Melvin was headed down when he was fired (get younger and cheaper).
Not a huge fan of his drafts either, and developing pitchers (or lack therof) is a legitimate concern, but the overall Melvin package was solid. I would take his record in trades ahead of his predecessor and successor.
by Brandon Wilson on Feb 7, 2007 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i just wnat to point out
- how long was he supposed to last on those laurels.
- Look at what hart did in cleveland. and milwaukee hasn't won anything yet.
- This just means both of them are mistakes, since texas still isn't in a great position, and our suckitude keeps costing us free agents.
by ab03 on Feb 7, 2007 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harang
by Brett Perryman on Feb 7, 2007 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Harang
by t ball on Feb 7, 2007 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching Coaches
by Excel Hearts Choi on Feb 7, 2007 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Liverpool
You never know, though. Look how far Leeds United has fallen. They have gone from playing in the Champions League and finishing near the top of the Premiership to being relegated in a few short years. Now they are of the bottom of League One and may fall another division this year. Hard to imagine something similar happening to Liverpool, but it was hard to imagine that fall happening to Leeds.
by trza on Feb 7, 2007 11:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Leeds
I can't think of anything specific, although I seem to remember a number of their players getting caught up in some racially-motivated beating a while back.
by mparks on Feb 7, 2007 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They had some bad stuff happen
by trza on Feb 7, 2007 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MLB picks Rangers 4th
by WyoRanger on Feb 7, 2007 11:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
this guy
by shallrelicme on Feb 7, 2007 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wonderboy
by Brian Thomas on Feb 7, 2007 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody been watching Winter Leagues on
by mtex on Feb 7, 2007 12:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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