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On Jason Botts and perception vs. reality

Over at the DMN Rangers blog, in response to a question from Evan Grant about the future of Jason Botts with this organization, a reader makes the following comment:

As I mentioned before on Botts, situational hitting last year was horrible. You can make the argument that he had a limited opportunity at the major league level, but there was a reason that he only saw 50 plate appearances. I have zero tolerance for players who take third strikes - especially with runners on base. I would think a lot of the fundamentals are established by the time players reach this level, so I question if someone like Botts can be trained to protect the plate and put the bat on the ball. If he makes the necessary adjustments, I hope there is a place for him this year.

Botts had 60 plate appearances in 2006, not 50, and he had 18 strikeouts -- still an unacceptably high rate, of course.

Of those 18 strikeouts, 11 were looking.  

Now, when Botts was initially called up, he went through a roughly 3 week stretch where he was playing pretty regularly...from May 23 through June 12, Botts played in 10 games, starting 9, and had a line of .258/.385/.484.

In that 10 game stretch, Botts had 4 strikeouts looking.  1 was with none on and 2 out against Gil Meche, 1 was with 1 on and 2 out with a 12-5 lead in the 8th against Keith Foulke, and 2 were against Jose Contreras with none on, in a game where Contreras allowed 6 hits in 8 innings and struck out 11.

So up to that point, there's no basis for the claim that Botts is particularly prone to striking out looking with runners on base.

Strangely, though, Jason Botts pretty much quit playing regularly after that.

Over the next ten days, Botts played only twice, a pair of starts.  He struck out four times in those games, all looking, twice against Brandon Webb with runners on base (2nd and 3rd, up 3-0 with 2 outs on a 3-2 pitch, and runner on 1st, up 3-0 with 1 out on a 1-2 pitch), and twice against Padre pitchers with no one on base.

After the June 22 game against the Padres, Botts didn't start again until July 3.  He pinch hit 6 times, and didn't strike out looking in any of those appearances.

On July 3, he struck out looking 3 times, twice against Ted Lilly and once against Scott Downs, all with runners on base, all while the Rangers were leading.

Botts only appeared in one more game, a start on July 9, where his only strike out was swinging.  He was sent back to the minors soon thereafter.  After that promising start, Botts went 3 for 19 with a walk before heading back down.

So, what can be taken from this?

Well, complaining that Botts strikes out looking too much with runners on base seems off base.  Of particular interest, to me, anyway, is that Brian Gorman was behind the plate for the 3-K-looking game, and Tony Randazza was behind the plate for the Brandon Webb game.  As this chart indicates, Gorman has one of the highest K rates and lowest walk rates of any umpire, while Randazza is also above average in strikeout rates.

For a player like Botts, who relies on controlling the strike zone, being patient, letting borderline pitches go, and waiting for a pitch he can drive, an umpire like Gorman, with a big strike zone and a high rate of calling batters out on strike, is a nightmare.

And similarly, it would seem that a player like that, whose strength is patience and working the strike zone, erratic playing time doesn't appear to be the best way to get into a groove.  A player of Botts' type, someone who works the strike zone rather than being a hacker, would seem to be the type of player who needs regular playing time to produce, and doesn't respond well to starting once a week.

And while there are obvious sample size issues, Botts' performance in the majors in 2006 would seem to bear that out.  While playing regularly, Botts performed.  And during a 27 day stretch, when Botts started only 4 times and went 3 for 19, he didn't perform.

I don't know...maybe it is nothing.  Jason Botts may not be able to hit at the major league level.

But it bothers me when someone points at 20 plate appearances over a month, and says that, based on that, Jason Botts doesn't deserve a major league job.

And it bothers me when someone suggests that Jason Botts doesn't know baseball fundamentals because he strikes out looking too often with runners on base, when that happened a whopping half-dozen times in 2006, with 5 of them being in a two game stretch with umps with larger than usual strike zones.

And it bothers me when people claim that Botts needs to "earn" a regular job, since it seems to me that that was exactly what he was doing in the majors last season before he inexplicably got turned into a one-start-per-week guy, and what he did in the minors by posting a nearly 1000 OPS.

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Nice analysis, Adam.
I'd have to think, though, that if Rudy or whoever has identified a major hole in his swing (a la Carlos Pena), that we should trade him now.  Hell, we should have traded him last year if that's the case.  Getting any value on a guy the organization has no faith in would seem to be a priority, even if everyone else in the league knows the organization is down on him.

by benmor78 on Mar 11, 2007 12:18 AM CST   0 recs

Nice.
Botts is a beast. I've always thought he could be a Hafner type player, maybe Hafner uberlite. But. he's just not given a chance. It always seemed to me Showalter put him in the worst possible situations...

f showalter.

by Longhorn on Mar 11, 2007 12:48 AM CST   0 recs

indeed
f showalter right in the a.
"Hello there, Little Red Riding Hood. I ate your grandmother, and now I'm ready for love."

by thedirkatron on Mar 11, 2007 5:35 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

And it's rants like that that keep me coming back
Go on with your bad self, Adam.  Breaking it down like a champ.
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by RangerMoto on Mar 11, 2007 12:51 AM CST   0 recs

This should
Be sent to Evan with a FYI.  Let him choose to use it or not.  The sample size is too small refute all arguments, but it damn sure refutes this specific one.
"When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil."

by Ed Coffin on Mar 11, 2007 12:55 AM CST   0 recs

Great
Great Info. I agree that Botts need more playing time and bringing in Sosa doesnt help.

by coolaid on Mar 11, 2007 1:01 AM CST   0 recs

Botts vs. Gold
I'm a Jason Botts fan.  I'd love for him to get a chance with the club for a full season, but all signs are pointing to no on that.

I've seen several people point out that Nate Gold should be our next DH based on a handful of good hits, and a pretty good half year on the farm.  What worries me is that everything I'm reading from both the fans as well as the media (How many stories have been written about Botts?  How about Gold?  It seems like every other story features Gold this year) seem to point out that the organization may indeed be priming Nate Gold for a full-time gig with the club.  Maybe not this year, but soon.  

And as much as I hate to say this, that sounds about like something the Rangers would do to those of us who believe in Botts.  Pass on the good thing and try something else.  Sigh.  It sucks to be a Rangers fan sometimes.

you jackin' it?

by chief on Mar 11, 2007 1:15 AM CST   0 recs

funny
so many management figures have changed within the last couple of years and yet we're still getting the same results.  which is why i'm starting to question the one or two constants that remain.  
"I want him focused on figuring out a way to beat that lefty's ass." - RW

by ab03 on Mar 11, 2007 9:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Offbase on Gold
How do you get the impression that the organization is promoting Gold at the expense of Botts?  I have seen maybe 2 stories about Gold, and it was not the organization that put those forth, it was just media looking for a headline for that slow news day.  If anyone is endangering Botts' chances at making the major leagues it is Sosa.  I have seen zero comments from anyone in the Ranger organization that would point to favoring Gold over Botts, zero.

Do I think they underappreciate Botts?  Yes. But it has nothing to do with Gold.

by t ball on Mar 11, 2007 12:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Articles on Gold
The articles I'm talking about on Gold have been on the Rangers' site, written by TR Sullivan, I believe.  
you jackin' it?

by chief on Mar 11, 2007 8:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And?
They don't tell him what to write about.  There was exactly one article, a minors report, that featured Gold in the lead blurb.  That ended with

"Gold will play at Triple-A Oklahoma this year and another big season could put him in the picture for a job as the Rangers designated hitter in 2008."

It was just a nice blurb about a guy who had a great season at Frisco, you're reading too much into it.

by t ball on Mar 11, 2007 9:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That was awesome.
If I ever need a lawyer to argue my side and there is very little information to back my case either direction, I am going to call Adam.  

I think last year when I got back from that July 3rd game I griped about Botts's K's looking.  The strike-outs looking may be defensible, but you have to admit, that there are few things more infuriating than player striking-out looking.  Infuriating things are often blown out of proportion.

A 38 year old has-been circus clown diva making the team over a young team playing potential slugger, who kept his mouth shut while he paid his dues his rookie year is infuriating and possibly blown out of proportion.  Slow down and consider that Botts will make the team regardless of what Sosa accomplishes.  If Sosa sucks, Botts will play.  Washington is dead set on keeping the clubhouse happy and leaving a Struggling Sammy (you like that alliteration? I could write for ESPN) in over a Battling Botts (I'm on fire) will infuriate the clubhouse and will be blown way out of proportion.

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Mar 11, 2007 10:49 AM CDT   0 recs

strike out looking
i don't get this at all.  what the hell is the difference?  half the time, the strike is a borderline pitch that can go either way.  

you know whats infuriating?  watching a hitter consistently be ahead of a breaking ball in the dirt like soriano was his entire time in texas.  

"I want him focused on figuring out a way to beat that lefty's ass." - RW

by ab03 on Mar 11, 2007 11:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You can't hit
what you don't swing at.  This may be overly simplified, but if a pitch is borderline then you can hit it or if you've got some skill foul it off.  It is call "protecting the plate".  Yes, strikeouts are bad no matter which way you slice them, but when you have runners on or you are trying to add to a lead you have got to be aggressive and can't leave the outcome of your at bat in the hands and eyes of the umpire.  As far as who the umpire was, doesn't Adam's point just add to being aggressive.  If you have the scouting report on the umpire and he has a liberal (outside the norm) strike zone then you have got to swing at the borderline pitches.

I agree that Botts has not been given a fair opportunity, but I think many on this board have had an overreaction and can't bring themselves to say anything the least bit critical of Botts.  Let's be clear, I want Botts on this team over Sammy Sosa, but that doesn't mean I can't gripe about seeing him strike out looking 3 times with runners on.

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Mar 11, 2007 11:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe you have identified the problem
evaluating Botts' potential through the prism of "you can't hit what you don't swing at". The unique quality that has struck me about Botts is what has been called "his disciplined at bats". The guy makes a pitcher throw 7 to 10 pitches whether he gets on base or not. If everyone did that, we could get through most any starter in 4 innings or less. He has the most interesting ability to judge precisely a ball traveling 90+ mph.

Adam has correctly pointed out that the majority of his looking SOs resulted from a difference in his understanding of the strike zone and that of the umpire. My guess is that he will learn the umpires and take off like a rocket.

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by jackbnimble on Mar 11, 2007 12:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep
My guess is that he will learn the umpires and take off like a rocket.

Historically, he's started slow at new levels, as he's adjusted to the umpires' strike zones and what the pitchers at that level can throw for strikes.

And then, after an adjustment period, he's excelled.

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 11, 2007 12:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes
"The guy makes a pitcher throw 7 to 10 pitches whether he gets on base or not. If everyone did that, we could get through most any starter in 4 innings or less."

I don't know about four innings or less, but they'd certainly be getting tired by then.  And if you get deep into that bullpen you're going to score runs, especially if it's the third game of a series and you did the same thing the two nights before.  That's Yankee baseball.

So, yes, you bring up a very important point.  It's why I was very much in favor of seeing Soriano cast off for Brad Wilkerson.  Wilkerson is the type to make a pitcher work.  It's why I like Catalanotto, Mike Young, and Mark Teixeira.  Those are the types of hitters that help a team win consistently.  Baseball's a grind, and they make it work for them.

by Dustin on Mar 11, 2007 1:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let me
reiterate that I like Botts and believe he will be a good major league hitter and that I want him on the team and I want him to be the opening day DH until he proves he can't cut it.

My original point was and is that people may have the impression that he takes too many 3rd strikes because it is so infuriating when it happens.  It was not a judgment on whether or not Botts should be playing on the major league roster.  My later point was that we all want Botts to succeed and we are peeved that Buckles wouldn't play him, and some are too sensitive to the least bit of criticism that comes Botts way because of it.

I stand by what I said.  Strike outs looking are more infuriating than strike outs swinging.  The way to run up pitch counts is by taking pitches, but not by watching third strikes.  To get to six pitch at bats a player will almost always have to foul some pitches off, unless they take 3 balls and 3 strikes.  I need to see a stat before I buy into your impression that he takes 6 to 7 pitches an at bat.  That might be the facts getting skewed by it happening a few times in crucial parts of one game.  Like me getting the impression that he may strike out looking too often because he struck out looking 3 times in one game that we eventually lost.  

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Mar 11, 2007 1:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

then let me say
i have never had a called third strike infuriate me.  i've seen people say that its the most frustrating thing but i tend to think the people that don't care far outnumber the people that do.

minor leaguers are great at swinging away - they usually stay minor leaguers.

"I want him focused on figuring out a way to beat that lefty's ass." - RW

by ab03 on Mar 11, 2007 1:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Word
If a guy gets a borderline pitch with two strikes, I like to see him have the confidence to take it. Those are the pitches the guy probably doesn't think he can drive, so I'd rather see him take it instead of putting some weak ass swing at it and hitting a weak grounder.

A guy striking out looking on a grooved 85mph fastball right down the middle... that's another story.

"Hello there, Little Red Riding Hood. I ate your grandmother, and now I'm ready for love."

by thedirkatron on Mar 11, 2007 3:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep
If it is a 50/50 shot on a 3-2 pitch that a pitch will be called a ball, you take it.

Because it isn't like there's a 50/50 chance on a borderline pitch like that that you are going to get a hit if you swing at it.

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 11, 2007 3:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But
if the umpire is known to call borderline pitches strikes it is not 50/50.  Face it, he struck out too much for Buck Showalter and some fans.  A lot of us here at LSB want to see a larger sampling before we give up on him.

I was really excited to see him play last year.  I barely saw him swing the bat, but I did get to see him leave runners on while watching three 3rd strikes.  He looked like a doofus.  I hope I get to see him play again.  Hopefully he will be in the lineup every time I go this year.

Besides, my wife thinks he is dreamy and it keeps interested in the games.

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Mar 11, 2007 5:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

4 innings or less
do the math.  

7-10 pitches per batter = 21-30 pitches per inning (at a minimum - probably closer to 30 if you figure in the one or two extra batters face).

30*4 innings=120.  Pretty safe bet that if you can get 7-10 pitches a pitcher conistently he'll be done by the 5th at least

"I want him focused on figuring out a way to beat that lefty's ass." - RW

by ab03 on Mar 11, 2007 1:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For the sake of accuracy
In his MLB career, he's averaged 4.41 pitches/PA.  That's still an awful lot, actually.  The MLB leaders in pitches/PA last year:

Mike Napoli 4.54
Bobby Abreu 4.45
Kevin Youkilis 4.42
Jason Giambi 4.37
Frank Thomas 4.36

That's obviously a pretty solid group of players, and Botts probably has more power than Abreu or Youkilis.

To continue the math a little... 4.41 pitches/PA, combined with that kind of on-base percentage, probably runs to about 16-20 pitches an inning.  After five or six innings, starters are already running out of gas.

by a bebop a rebop on Mar 11, 2007 1:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Like Bebop illustrated
There's always going to be some quick plate appearances.  If you get a strike on the first pitch, rip.  Sometimes they'll be line drive outs, sometimes they'll be hits, and sometimes the pitch will still be missed.

It's not all about running up the pitch count but that does tend to happen when hitters are disciplined and try to get a good pitch to hit.

The Rangers have always been bad about hacking.  They swing at pitchers' pitches too often.  Soriano, while he was here, was one of the worst I'd ever seen in that regard.  Gonzalez was bad, too, when he was slumping.  When he was "on" he was actually pretty disciplined even if he didn't walk a lot.

Then you had Pudge, who could hit anything hard.  All bets are off with guys like that.  Not everybody has that talent, though.

And by the same token, not everybody has the eye to be a disciplined hitter, apparently.

by Dustin on Mar 11, 2007 3:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Strikeouts
If a player doesn't see with some degree of certainty that the baseball is hittable, he's very unlikely to hit it well if he swings.  That's especially true if they have a longer swing.

It's no more frustrating to me if they strikeout looking at a close pitch than if they were to hit a grounder to short.  Depending on the pitch, they probably have a better chance at it being called a ball than hitting it safely.

Some hitters are more suited than others to fouling off close pitches with two strikes.  Ideally, they'd do that until they got something to hit.  But not all hitters are the same and not all of them have that ability.

by Dustin on Mar 11, 2007 11:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And
that's exactly the one meaningful point.  Different skills.  For every Ichiro or Mike Young, there is a Pat Burrell .. or Jason Botts.

They are simply different talents.

"When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil."

by Ed Coffin on Mar 11, 2007 12:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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