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Cubbie blogger (and Deadspin) calls out Brandon McCarthy, C.J. Wilson

Over at Bleed Cubbie Blue, Al has a post up ripping Brandon McCarthy and C.J. Wilson over their MySpace pages, suggesting that they are racists, saying that Ozzie Guillen "may have been right when he recently ripped McCarthy for his attitude when he was a member of the White Sox," based on McCarthy's MySpace page, and claiming that McCarthy "talks a big game, but doesn't seem to back it up with performance."

The subject apparently came up here, on the comments in the game day thread, including a hope expressed that Wilson is suspended.

I'm not entirely sure what Al is referring to on there, although that may be because it is taking forever for my computer to load McCarthy's MySpace page.

However, I'm not entirely sure how what he has on there (at least, based on what I could see) lends any credence to Ozzie Guillen's complaints, and I know that management and the media have been extremely complimentary of McCarthy's attitude since he joined the Rangers.  And saying that McCarthy can't perform because of a 5 run outing in an early March spring performance seems silly, to me.

I'm just baffled by this whole thing.  If someone wants to check this out and tell me what the issue is, I'd be appreciative.

And I know that at least one of the folks Al is taking issue with has posted on here before, so if he would like to weigh in, that would be great, as well.

Update [2007-3-9 20:33:24 by Adam J. Morris]: -- Deadspin also weighs in.

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B-Mac's Myspace...
Okay, I got ya Adam. I need to read more to find Brandon's comments but I can see there may have been an inside joke or something. You know what I'll send you the picture in your email. It's a black guy passed out on the sidewalk with a soda and several watermelon slices around him. CJ posted that on Brandon's comments. In my opinion I think it's just a little humor not meaning to be offensive at all. It's like showing a white guy dancing weird or something. I don't know. You can take it how it is. I'll read on further to find Brandon's supposed comments on Guillen.

                        -Robby

by txranger on Mar 9, 2007 7:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Inside joke?
If that's what it is, it's not funny.

I don't want to sound all politically correct or anything, but really, that's not the sort of thing that anyone should find funny.

I wonder what, say, C. J.'s teammate Kenny Lofton might think of that if he saw it.

by Al on Mar 9, 2007 7:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i dunno
uh, laugh about it?

by Longhorn on Mar 9, 2007 7:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

slow news day?
"With running and conditioning the average major league pitcher works less in a week than a ditch digger does in a hour."

by SteveP on Mar 9, 2007 7:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think
he's just upset that they signed Soriano to that contract and have Lou as their coach.

by Longhorn on Mar 9, 2007 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well...
In case you didnt know Kenny isnt the only black player on the team. The Manager is black too. You guys are really retarded trying to stir up some crap. I mean honestly if you would take 10 min and read CJ's page you would see that he is one of the coolest cats around. And not to mention he has several African Amercian friends one being Wes Littleton who is also on the Rangers. I bet ya Wes would probably have a nice chuckle about the pic too. You guys need to start worrying about baseball stuff, like what your gonna do when Prior & Wood go down and quit trying to be some uber cool tabloid-blog reporters.

by turpentinechaser on Mar 9, 2007 7:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, that is pathetic..
Don't you have something better to do?  I think Kenny Lofton would think it was hilarious...

I think you need to take a chill pill dude, Its just like Wes Littleton calling Adam Eaton cracker ass cracker.

Shouldn't you be like holding together Mark Prior's arm or something?

"This guy is a serious talent." -T.R. Sullivan on Arias, lol

by miles on Mar 9, 2007 7:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Again
Going way beyond the picture, the Cubs, and the Rangers ... I'm from a few miles south of Chicago, been in Texas many years so I've got biases ... but
  • There is a helluva lot more racial sensitivity in the upper midwest than in Texas
  • There is also a fair amount less of "just let it go" as well.
Would I post that picture as humor? No, but I'm an old guy.  Would any of my many black friends take offense? Maybe, but they'd kick it off as contemporary internet foolishness.  To pull it up on a team blog is really quite a reach, IMO.  But hey, glad you post here from time to time.  No anger, no angst between baseball bloggers ... or at least there shouldn't be.  It's the great game.
"When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil."

by Ed Coffin on Mar 9, 2007 7:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're my boy blue.
It's just sad to me how some people throw around that word just like any other word...

by Longhorn on Mar 9, 2007 8:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way
i was quoting Will Ferrel from Old School. Don't want Al seeing that, thinking i'm making fun of smurfs or thinking it's some kind of inside joke...

by Longhorn on Mar 9, 2007 8:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the response
I appreciate you coming on here and clarifying about that, and I hope you'll continue to stay open with us fans.  I can tell you your willingness to share has garnered you quite a few fans out here.

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 9, 2007 8:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

cj
I seriously hope this doesn't discourage you from posting here and other places.
Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!

by rentz on Mar 9, 2007 8:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i hope you dont stop posting
i really like your spring training updates and general keeping in touch with the fans.

it would be a shame if something like this had to get you to stop.

maybe just be a little more selective with the content, but i hope you keep staying available to the fans; its gotten you quite the cult following around here =)

by DSheppard on Mar 9, 2007 8:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Understandable
Again, though, I think you're involvement with us out here has been a great thing, and I hope you won't a few grouchy Cubs fans misinterpreting something you posted on MySpace turn you off to the whole experience.

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 9, 2007 9:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

double edged sword
is 100% right.  I hope you can stay positive after this sorta crap and continue to keep that connection with us regular fans.  
"With running and conditioning the average major league pitcher works less in a week than a ditch digger does in a hour."

by SteveP on Mar 10, 2007 6:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's sad...
why that guy felt compelled to assume what he did and for him to then use that to make himself a headline and take shots at McCarthy from that. I hope you just take that from the persepective that when you post online you are in front of a whole audience not pure ranger fans that you would meet at a fan fest. But don't be discouraged to post because as you've seen thus far, it is rewarding and you've made yourself a fan favorite to many us. Good luck to you the rest of the way. I hope you kill it this season and force the organization into some tough decisions about the rest of the bullpen.

by slimshadty12 on Mar 11, 2007 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.
I appreciate your post and your honesty. If you'd like to continue the dialogue, you have my cordial invitation to sign up for an account at Bleed Cubbie Blue and join the discussion over there.

Incidentally, if you do so, please email me privately also, as we normally have a 24-hour waiting period for your first post (this is done to avoid comment spam, which we've had a fair amount of). If you sign up and let me know, I'll waive this for you.

Thanks again. You're a standup guy, just as Adam told me you were.

Al, proprietor, Bleed Cubbie Blue

by Al on Mar 9, 2007 8:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

continue your back peddling
"That really is CJ Wilson's page.

What a jerk."

and

"Seriously...

... how could we get this "out there"?"

by Longhorn on Mar 9, 2007 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

a dialogue is exactly what you should have started
should have started with, before making an extremely aggressive blog post and getting deadspin to pick it up.

making generalized assumptions about the player based on a single blog post without even a comment attached is poor journalism.  I know its just a blog, but some of us appreciated his contributions to various ranger websites and this may have persuaded him to stop.

the first thought shouldnt be to get it "out there".

by DSheppard on Mar 9, 2007 9:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

STFU
If your actions today are any indication, you are not a standup guy.

Go try to create your controversy elsewhere, jerk.

"Hello there, Little Red Riding Hood. I ate your grandmother, and now I'm ready for love."

by thedirkatron on Mar 9, 2007 9:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it's great...
that you're now asking for dialogue after C.J. shows that he's just a regular guy.

Jeez, you're a jerk.

by benmor78 on Mar 9, 2007 9:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You know what...
When I saved the picture to send to Adam, it saved as homeless as the name. This could've just been a picture they took or something they took a picture of. It's clearly in Dallas b/c of the the dumpster phone # which is area code (972) (my detective skills at work *wink)  It may have just been funny to them cuz it's a guy passed out on the street with fruit all around him. I would think that's funny if it was a white guy or any kind of guy.

by txranger on Mar 9, 2007 7:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

OK....
I think Kenny Lofton would laugh actually. That's just my opinion though. He seems like an outgoing guy. Look Bleed, I can't say anything cuz I don't know the whole deal. I'm not making any opinions or anything. I'm just trying to say all the possibilities is all.

by txranger on Mar 9, 2007 7:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Those guys are morons over at
bleed cubbie blue.

One of Bmac's heroes is Tiger and CJ is not a racist like that dolts think. Those guys over there must be bored as hell or need a girlfriend or something...

by Longhorn on Mar 9, 2007 7:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more...
Looks like they have nothing better to do than get into peoples business...
"This guy is a serious talent." -T.R. Sullivan on Arias, lol

by miles on Mar 9, 2007 7:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

deadspin
Deadspin covered this today:

http://tinyurl.com/2m5nhj

It doesn't look good, given the stereotype of African Americans and watermelon. The image was posted by CJ without comment, so it's a little hard to know what to make of it. Perhaps it was innocent or an inside joke, perhaps more malicious.

CJ's a pretty prolific and open guy in terms of his writing on different internet sites, and I haven't seen anything that would make me think that he's a racist in the past. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not in the place to do that since I'm white and it's not my position to say what is and isn't offensive to black people. Maybe he can shed some light on it. In any case, this looks like something that might have to be addressed, since he's posting on an official MLB blog.

by trza on Mar 9, 2007 7:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

oh cmon
that picture has been around a long time, and i have seen MUCH more offensive stuff out there...this is why guy's like cj can't just have some fun and post on blogs, etc... because fucksticks have to take everything so goddamned seriously
Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!

by rentz on Mar 9, 2007 7:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yawn
People shouldn't post stuff like that on the internet.  So B-Mac and CJ aren't thinking?  

WHO CARES.

Really... suspension?  For a photo which might be interpreted as racist?  People really throw that term around way too loosely...

by JBImaknee on Mar 9, 2007 7:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Those jackasses need to get
a clue, especially Al, or whatever the hell his name is. Bringing up racism? Seriously?? Racism? These morons need to get a life, learn to read, and just shut the hell up. I don't think i've been more upset over someone else's rhetoric on a blog than that asshole's.

Just absolutely tired of people throwing around the word 'racism' without even knowing that person and for them to deduce that type of behavior from one picture? Give me f'in break.

by Longhorn on Mar 9, 2007 7:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

OK...
... I wasn't the one who said that Wilson should be suspended, and that's probably too severe.

But whether or not Wilson really feels that way -- and I have learned he probably doesn't -- can you see how it could be taken the wrong way? And why posting something like this is just probably not a really smart thing to do?

by Al on Mar 9, 2007 7:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Players posting
I would think that any good agent should be checking up on his clients and making sure that they aren't doing things like this.  Because whatever the reasons for it, the perception is bad... and part of an agent's job is making sure his client's public image is good.

If this were a pattern, then it is JD's job to step in and say that he is hurting the Rangers image as a team, and if he wants to be part of the team, he had better shape up...

by JBImaknee on Mar 9, 2007 7:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just shh.
Its people like you that need to get slapped, why don't you go worry about running out of air, or something more productive?
"This guy is a serious talent." -T.R. Sullivan on Arias, lol

by miles on Mar 9, 2007 7:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And what is this crap
about McCarthy as well? What the hell did he do? And because he didn't pitch well one game he can't back up his talk? What the hell are you talking about dude? Where were you after his previous start? I guess you love that one game sample size.

by Longhorn on Mar 9, 2007 7:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thinks what way?
What insight, exactly, has CJ posting that picture given into his racist mind?  And everyone tap dancing around the issue is just ridiculous, you and Deadspin both.  If you're going to say that something is a legitimate story, then post the picture.  This is like all those newspapers covering the Mohammed cartoon story and refusing to show the cartoons.

CJ Wilson is a Southern California boy who doesn't drink and is apparently (from what little exposure to him I've had) pretty smart.  Maybe you're reading a little too much into the picture?  As other people have mentioned, wouldn't the picture still be funny if it was a white homeless guy with watermelons all around him?

by benmor78 on Mar 9, 2007 7:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice back pedal
"..you'll find a racist photograph.."

"Those who choose to act otherwise may reap what they sow."

"I'm thinking McCarthy and Wilson might have more to worry about tonight than how many runs they allowed, too."

"That's bad enough -- and it's worse when you discover that the photo was posted by one of McCarthy's teammates, relief pitcher C. J. Wilson"

by mattrpav on Mar 9, 2007 8:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

STFU
"Hello there, Little Red Riding Hood. I ate your grandmother, and now I'm ready for love."

by thedirkatron on Mar 9, 2007 9:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

racism
you want to talk racism? how about the atlanta braves? or the cleveland indians? i think they need to change their names. the devil rays also need to remove devil from their name, it might offend christians.

People need to RELAX

Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!

by rentz on Mar 9, 2007 7:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

"Cubs"
is offensive to Black Bears. :)
Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Mar 10, 2007 8:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"kwellborn"
Is offensive to a rare species of birds found in the mountainous regions of New Zealand.

by Dustin on Mar 10, 2007 9:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny
You know that I was making a nonsensical joke.  I am assuming you are as well.
Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Mar 11, 2007 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as was i
but i thought it was obvious, maybe not
Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!

by rentz on Mar 11, 2007 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry
I was asking Dustin.  I knew you were joking.
Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Mar 11, 2007 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course
You can't get much more nonsensical than the comeback joke I made.

by Dustin on Mar 11, 2007 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok
I guess I am a little on edge with all the racism trumped up racism charges being thrown out there.  There may be some bear lovers on the board.
Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Mar 11, 2007 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your name
...does sound like it would be the name of a rare bird species, though.  Not sure why.  I just have strange mind, I guess.

by Dustin on Mar 12, 2007 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts...
People blowing an issue like this clearly out of proportion is what drives players away from a certain level of intimacy with the fans.  CJ has been kind enough to interact with us here on this board in a way that fans 50 years ago never got to experience.

I'd hate to think that he felt like he couldn't post on boards or interact with fans without censoring himself or being a normal person.

by benmor78 on Mar 9, 2007 7:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Just...wow.

What a joke. People are far, far too sensitive these days.

Go get some snatch, Al. You'll feel a lot better.

by tlt29 on Mar 9, 2007 7:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Huh.
The photo trades on an ugly stereotype.  It's not ambiguous.

If Wilson meant it as an inside joke, it doesn't come through.

If CJ is assuming people at large will think it's in good fun, meant a different way, etc., he's real dumb.  Is he generalizing from LSBers?

Actually, I don't know his beliefs one iota.  And I have read his posts.

by hightowersmith on Mar 9, 2007 8:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Isn't the whole point of an inside joke that
it "doesn't come through" to people that aren't privy to the joke?  Hell, I don't think this is really even an inside joke.  I think its pretty obvious what the joke is.  

I saw it a couple days ago and didn't think anything of it other than "Heh, CJ posted on McCarthy's page like a couple of dorky teenage girls."

The picture is obviously a racial stereotype, but that doesn't mean that its not funny.  Its exaggerating on a known stereotype to make irony.  It makes no indication that the stereotype is valid, and if anything it serves to discredit the stereotype because nobody has ever actually seen a black person passed out in the from eating too much watermelon.  ITS DARK IRONY.

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:) - Obligatory smiley showing I don't mean whatever mean
spiritedness is likely contained in the preceding post

by jtts on Mar 9, 2007 8:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes
like in dr. strangelove when george c scott yells "you can't fight in here, this is the war room"
Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!

by rentz on Mar 9, 2007 8:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I really think we should all just calm down,
relax, and watch some cartoons.

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:) - Obligatory smiley showing I don't mean whatever mean
spiritedness is likely contained in the preceding post

by jtts on Mar 9, 2007 8:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

haha
now that's an ethnic stereotype we can all love...

by ksf42001 on Mar 9, 2007 10:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Whole bunch of nothing.
The histrionics are more offensive to me than the actual picture.

by Jeff on Mar 9, 2007 8:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1
Well put.

But the BCB guy got what he wanted: notoriety.

Does anyone think he was actually offended by the utterly innocuous photo? No. He just thought it was controversial and decided he wanted a piece of that sweet action.

Too bad he had to try to make a fool out of our boy Chris-John to do it.

"Hello there, Little Red Riding Hood. I ate your grandmother, and now I'm ready for love."

by thedirkatron on Mar 9, 2007 9:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's right.
my bad.

But, he could also have signed up for Myspace so he can spend his days browsing around other people's profiles.

Hmmm, a 50 year old guy browsing around Myspace, which is predominantly for younger people...

Weird.

by Longhorn on Mar 9, 2007 8:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

a tad weird...
Although, apparently the median age on myspace is like 34 or something, so that's not TOO young...
Edwards-Obama '08

by RangerMoto on Mar 9, 2007 10:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice...
I seriously can't see why reposting a pic, that has been floating around on the internet for some time now on message boards and forums, could be considered the act of a racist. If Wilson had that pic up as his profile picture, and tagged it with a racial slur, maybe I'd be a little more suspicious, but that pic was obviously posted with the idea that those who don't take silly staged photos seriously, might find some humor in it. Unfortunately some have decided to blow it way out of proportion (I like how that phrase has been mentioned throughout the comment section), and have prematurely labeled Wilson and McCarthy as racists.

Good job guys...

No more Buck in 2007

by jcir454 on Mar 9, 2007 8:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i think its funny
does that make me racist?

by dubman on Mar 9, 2007 8:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it does...
If you have ever laughed at any joke tinged with even an inkling of a racial stereotype, then you, my friend, are a racist.

Also, if you hate the taste of black jellybeans, you are a racist.

by tlt29 on Mar 9, 2007 8:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I had a black light
But got rid of it. Am I a closet racist?
Hokie Hokie Hokie Hi Tech Tech VPI Go Hokies!

by jackbnimble on Mar 10, 2007 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

slow news day
not worth comment, don't the cub fans have enough to think about without policing the internet?

by t ball on Mar 9, 2007 8:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Can't wait for CJ to weigh in on this
because I'm sure he will.

First off, they bash B-Mac and basically describe him as egotistical because he has "World Series rings" on his page.  Those are LSU football national championship rings. They are just looking to attack him for anything.

I don't know CJ's view on people of other races, but I would be willing to bet that he's not a racist, and I think he will (probably very elogantly as per the norm), explain the meanings of this picture as soon as he sees this topic.

by hurley325 on Mar 9, 2007 8:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Al, of all the things you can bitch about, and given your offseason, there's plenty, you reserve your greatest ire for a picture posted on a myspace page.

The fact that we're actually discussing this like it matters is pathetic.

by FirebatM3 on Mar 9, 2007 8:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ok, it was in poor taste.
but come on.  when i read the summary on the cubbie website, i though it would be something MUCH worse than that.

its in bad taste but its just meant to be humorous.

personally that doesnt quite make the list of things that would cause me to TRY to cause some kind of uproar and throw out personal attacks based on merely posting a picture.

so again.. he shouldnt have posted it, but jesus come on reading the posts at cubbieblue you would think he had done something 5 times as bad.

and how on earth do they try to connect B-Mac to it... he doesnt control what people post on his page.

by DSheppard on Mar 9, 2007 8:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I noticed that watermelon pic ...
that CJ put up on BMac's Myspace like a week or two ago.  It kinda surprised me - thought BGL was smarter than that, leaving a ticking bomb [innocent joke or not] like that pic out there in the public space just appeared to be asking for trouble.  I almost started a diary here at LSB about it but didn't WANT it to blow up in BGL's face ... just exactly like it appears to have done ... so I crossed my fingers for his sake and ignored it.  Hope you stay with your peeps, CJ.  We get that you aren't Lex Luther ... and aren't Superman either.  

by shroomer on Mar 9, 2007 9:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why didn't you...
send him a message on MySpace?

Although, I guess CJ should just be glad that you weren't checking out his physique after his shower.

by benmor78 on Mar 9, 2007 10:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it is good to see
his own readers are pwning him on this issue.

by Longhorn on Mar 9, 2007 9:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

are you using pwn correctly?
i don't get what you are saying.
"I want him focused on figuring out a way to beat that lefty's ass." - RW

by ab03 on Mar 9, 2007 9:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh
you are talking about bcb.

nevermind.  

"I want him focused on figuring out a way to beat that lefty's ass." - RW

by ab03 on Mar 9, 2007 9:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gasp!!!
Wilson has a picture with Fergie Jenkins as well.  GASP!!!  And he's really excited that he got to meet him!  GASP!!!  Wilson must be racist!!! GASP!!!!

Give me a break.

by markaholden on Mar 9, 2007 9:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

BGL
Bingo - you're right.  I've been kicking myself ever since I found out about this about an hour or so ago.  I shoulda e-mailed Jamey Newberg and had him warn you off that pic back when I first spotted it.  My bad.  Bummer.

by shroomer on Mar 9, 2007 10:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks alot Al for being an inconsiderate jackass
And delving into matters that don't concern you. It's not up to you to decide what other people can do or say or post and in what way that person meant their words.

The nice and sensible thing to do would've been to ask CJ wouldn't it? Instead of making a post of assumptions. I think so.

by hiafex on Mar 9, 2007 10:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

bcb
that jackass Al should be apologizing to you, repeatedly...

by Longhorn on Mar 9, 2007 10:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

To you C.J.,
my sincere respect for your class response to this apparent attempt to assassinate your character.

To Al; being a dedicated fan of your team doesn't necessarily entail the privelage of said character assassination of an opposition player.

To my fellow LSB posters;  Honestly?  Get over yourselves.  You trash people all the time for things they've said, their political views, their social preferences, and pretty much whatever doesn't fit within the majority viewpoint held here.  I speak from personal experience.

by ncrangerman on Mar 9, 2007 10:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yeah, we're all jerks
this is the weird thing.  This isn't really a story.  Just because some cubs blogger and another baseball blog drum it, it's still not a story.  Its still just a handful of guys talking about it in a forum that sometimes gets confused for news media.  I guess what I mean is, I don't see this making its way to a major sports outlet.  

and really, thats the problem most of us have with Al.  he can feel free to express his views and bag on players but its really only "character assassination" because we're giving his blog a lot more credence than it deserves.  i mean, sharky posts weird crap all the time - we never say he's character assassinating anybody.  i'm not saying that blogs like this one aren't great in their own right, they just aren't espn's front page.

so, nobody should be all that upset cause some guy in chicago thinks c.j. has poor taste.  i coudl be wrong but i just don't think the sbnation gets as much exposure as we think.

"I want him focused on figuring out a way to beat that lefty's ass." - RW

by ab03 on Mar 9, 2007 10:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Very fair
and insightful take, at least in my view.

Thanks

by ncrangerman on Mar 9, 2007 10:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i do hope though
that i'm not denigrating this blog.  but i feel like adam does a good job of keeping it light and never taking himself too seriously either.  its still very much a blog.  
"I want him focused on figuring out a way to beat that lefty's ass." - RW

by ab03 on Mar 9, 2007 11:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been saying that also
This won't be appearing on the news or in the paper.   I don't think CJ has any reason to worry.

by cmkelly29 on Mar 9, 2007 11:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats the thing
this Al guy is trying to get it to appear on the news and in newspapers. Deadspin got it. And his (Al's) exact quote was:

"Seriously... how could we get this "out there"?"

That's somewhat worrisome.

by Longhorn on Mar 9, 2007 11:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Deadspin though
gets a lot of exposure.

This is really sad for Chris-John.

I hope he realizes we all have mad love for him and really enjoy his unprecedented level of interaction with us, the fans.

The BCB guy is a glory-seeking jackass, creating controversy where there is none solely for his own benefit.

"Hello there, Little Red Riding Hood. I ate your grandmother, and now I'm ready for love."

by thedirkatron on Mar 9, 2007 11:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Deadspin posted his apology
and said it sounded completely reasonable, which was the right thing to do.

by cmkelly29 on Mar 9, 2007 11:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
i'm not exactly sure of myself on this.  i can easily see how this could get to a news organization just slowly moving up media ladder from a place like deadspin to bigger blog or smaller news forum.  

but, the point is still the same, Al is a nobody.  what are we really saying here, that he should show some responsibility and discretion because he has so much power as a media force?  if al can force the story out than anyone can.  above all, i really don't want to give some self-important blogger the satisfaction of having people think he's important.

anway, i think its done for now.

"I want him focused on figuring out a way to beat that lefty's ass." - RW

by ab03 on Mar 9, 2007 11:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is this an example of what you are referring to?
http://www.lonestarball.com/story/2007/1/5/72922/82224

Because i don't really see how you are the victim there, NC.

I like camo because it makes you blend in. But when you're not in the woods, it does the opposite. Its like, hey, there's an asshole.

by Brian Thomas on Mar 10, 2007 4:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Social Conservatives
They're always playing the victim.  Gay people at Disney World?  OMG I can't believe my pious eyes!!!  These people are destroying America right here in front of me!  Oh no, my CHILDREN!  WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN???

Cry me a river!

by Dustin on Mar 10, 2007 4:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Apologies for that post
I'm trying to be a uniter these days as opposed to a divider.  Let's all join hands and sing.

by Dustin on Mar 10, 2007 4:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

See, that's the point
On the internet, it's just too easy to go off on somebody over nothing more than an assumption.

No apology necessary.  Ultimately I wasn't harmed.  With the enjoyment of dialogue with likeminded baseball fanatics, occasionally comes an unpleasant consequence born of a natural misunderstanding, given the nature of anonymous communication.

by ncrangerman on Mar 10, 2007 6:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

haha
jab in my direction, all in good fun
Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Mar 10, 2007 6:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good - back to baseball
so, do they make you run laps for giving up home runs? ;)
"I want him focused on figuring out a way to beat that lefty's ass." - RW

by ab03 on Mar 9, 2007 10:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Smart post, CJ
Might want to post over on the other blog too, just to clear things up somewhat.

Very smart of you to handle this issue in the exact medium (blog/internet) that the discussion emerged...and lightning fast.   Kudos for 'getting' this newfangled internets thingie...

Go Rangers!

Edwards-Obama '08

by RangerMoto on Mar 9, 2007 10:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

no
thats a terrible idea going over to the other blog.

he's got the right idea - just let it die.  

"I want him focused on figuring out a way to beat that lefty's ass." - RW

by ab03 on Mar 9, 2007 10:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Call me a loser...
but Al's a hypocrit

:: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 ::

    Political Correctness Run Amok

    PC stuff these days generally drives me nuts, but this one really put me over the top.

    If you've ever flown Southwest Airlines, you know that the flight attendants are encouraged to use humor to try to entertain the passengers.

    Well, not long ago, a SW flight attendant used the children's rhyme "Eeny, meeny, miny, mo" to try to lighten up the atmosphere just before takeoff, and to get people in their seats.

    Now, according to the Kansas City Star, she's being sued by two African-American women, who accused her of being racist.

    (begin rant)

    This is so absolutely ridiculous that I can't even fathom it. I mean, LIGHTEN UP, PEOPLE! A quote from the flight attendant, Jennifer Cundiff, in the above article, I think, sums this ludicrous situation up best:

    "The statement I made on Flight 524 was not racist or discriminating, and I am offended that because I have white skin suddenly I am a racist. Maybe those that run around pointing fingers yelling racist should stop and turn that finger around."

    We're not ever going to get along in this country unless we go along, and have a little bit of humor along the way. There are enough real threats to the future of this world, to allow something like this to get to us in this way. I think Ms. Cundiff has it exactly right, and I'll be rooting for her to win her case, big time.

    (end rant)

    Thanks to my friends at alt.fan.cecil-adams for bringing this story to my attention.

    :: posted by Al at 6:57 PM [+] ::
    ...

That's from Al's old website, which you can find here:
http://www.yellon.org/archives/2003_02_09_archive.htm

I especially like the part about how we need a little humor to get along.

by cmkelly29 on Mar 9, 2007 11:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

o
m
g.

Great find.

I wish you could post this over there...

by Longhorn on Mar 9, 2007 11:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah I wouldn't post it over there
I'm fine talking about it here, but to bring it to his readers seems like too much.

by cmkelly29 on Mar 10, 2007 12:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahaha !
We all leave trails, y'know?  Only for a few, the footprints change.
"When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil."

by Ed Coffin on Mar 9, 2007 11:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
Hypocrisy is fun!

I try not to wish bad things on fellow human beings, but this BCB guy deserves some serious Karma-style retribution.

What a jackass.

"Hello there, Little Red Riding Hood. I ate your grandmother, and now I'm ready for love."

by thedirkatron on Mar 10, 2007 12:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bravo...
As a baseball fan who interacts with people through this medium, i want to commend you on a number of things:

1.) interacting with your fans
2.) doing so as yourself, and not an alter-ego (although i wouldn't blame you if you did or do so in the future)
3.) conducting yourself with class on this issue today

Its rare when athletes take the time out of their schedule to interact with fans. I can't tell you how much a player such as yourself would be appreciated in Chicago. I also believe you when you say your comments were not done under the guise of racism. However, i think you're also right to be more cautious, as there are people who will overreact or jump to conclusions, particularly on sensitive issues such as these.

Part of the power of this medium is its interactivity and its responsiveness to developing situations. However, this power carries with it a price: things are published unedited and unchecked. As such, you can post something that has implications you did not realize, and it also means people can put together stories about you that don't "check out." Fortunately, the power of the medium balances this somewhat (for example, read the comments at Al's site).

I hope you continue to post on sites such as these, and that more athletes do so in the future.  I also hope you're more careful in the future, because otherwise the nature of this medium may discourage you from participating further.

The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Mar 9, 2007 11:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to defend Al, here...
even though i'm criticizing him in comments under the story that started all this.

A lot of people here are assuming Al is doing this to be a glory-hog. While that may be the case, to accuse him of that is very similar to Al accusing McCarthy and Wilson of racism (although i admit one set of accusations is far more serious than the other one). Its just as possible that Al is doing this because he is simply over-reacting, or misconstrued Wilson's intentions, or is biased based on his own experiences as a site administrator, or a number of other reasons.

I've been posting at Al's site for a long time, have met him in person, and post at other Cubs blogs that have a strong distaste for Al's site. Given all that background, i believe that the most likely explanation for Al's story is this: Al is very PC, and posted his story with primarily good intentions. He does not tolerate insensitive remarks of any kind on his website, and is intolerant of slanderous remarks about players and managers... and i think he was both concerned with the carelessness with which the picture was posted, and the potential implications for the two Rangers involved.

IMO, Al made some errors in judgment in the process of posting the story. However, i would ask all of you to realize the best defense of Wilson and McCarthy is that one has to make a set of assumptions about Wilson and McCarthy before accusing them of racism. Likewise, i hope you realize the same rationale applies to Al when he is being accused of trying to draw attention to his site. One has to assume things about Al to make conclusions about his intent in posting the story in question.

Basically, it seems that CJ is a good guy that made a mistake in a post that people assume was racist/insensitive/etc. I would argue to all of you that Al is a good guy that made a mistake that people assume was inflammatory/self-promoting/etc.

The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Mar 10, 2007 12:06 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Full disclosure...
i'm a Cubs fan. But you probably got that from my sig.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Mar 10, 2007 12:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Reasonable
Shawn, especially if Al didn't do a handoff to Deadspin.  CJ's own accounting also got there, so at least a decent followup to the furor was made.

Not to worry.  The heat varies vastly according to each person's take.  I don't think the majority of lonestarball people like (or join) witch hunts.  

You guys take good care of Mark DeRosa up there.  He responds well to a friendly crowd.

"When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil."

by Ed Coffin on Mar 10, 2007 12:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of DeRosa,
We haven't seen a lot of him yet.  What sort of range and/or ability does he have at 2nd?  

Most of us cubbie fans seem of the opinion that he is better suited to a utility role than as a starter.  Since you guys know a lot more about him, I figure you'd be able to give me an honest and real opinion...

And don't worry, as long as he performs well, we won't give him a hard time :)

by secdelahc on Mar 10, 2007 12:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Utility
From his total Atlanta and Texas history.  He signed with the belief he could hold down a regular infield position.  In Texas, his best bet was 3B but Blalock was expected by management to get turned around.  2B should be OK, but we didn't really get a lot of exposure to his ability to turn the ball.  He had more OF time, and some platoon at 3B, here.  What raised his (and general expectations) was a surge in his hitting. Maybe he 'found it' with Rudy Jaramillo's tutelage, but not totally sure about that.  His claim was that he emulated Michael Young, and sure enough found more places in the strike zone to make good contact.

Have a good one ....

"When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil."

by Ed Coffin on Mar 10, 2007 12:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the response
We've been discussing how he would be good in RF against lefties, since Jacque Jones stinks against them.  However, I'm concerned with the fact that he didn't play much 2B.  I guess, like everything with the Cubs, it's a wait-and-see type of thing.

Thanks for your insight!

by secdelahc on Mar 10, 2007 1:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not replying to the community as a whole...
but to the subset of those who have accused Al of only doing this for attention/readership.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Mar 10, 2007 12:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

AL Is clearly more than over sensitive
He said merely having wilson's post on b-mac's blog was "bad enough" for mccarthy.  And suggested he would have problems because of it.

Thats not just overreacting, its flat out ridiculous.

If i went and said something racist (which of course, I wont) on his blog would that somehow make him racist?  Of course not.

There is no reason to have a defense of mccarthy because he did NOTHING other than give up a few runs today.  How dare he.

And good intentions? In the other post he talks about he can get this "out there".  How is that good intentions?

What, hes going to expose the great villian CJ Wilson to the world and that will be his good deed for the day?

He SAID he was trying to get attention to it.  Its not deniable, he wrote it himself!

And if you are going to do that to a player who is notoriously open to fans, you think you might ask for a comment BEFORE making a large headline calling a play you know nothing about beyond a single picture he posted a racist?  If that were a newspaper article the guy would be fired on the spot.

I dont know, but when i call other people racist i tend to do more than 10 seconds of research.

CJ's post was in poor taste and should have been removed with his apology, but Al's post was just ridiculous.

Link it and quietly mention you think its in poor taste? fine.  but if you are going to go all out with a headline post, do it right.

Normally this wouldnt get me too upset but hes genuinely effected ranger fans interaction with a player, and that irritates me.

and to the people on the cubbies post who said there is no discussion going on over here and its all just flaming al- uh, what?  sure theres insulting of Al, but theres paragraphs of discussion throughout this post.

by DSheppard on Mar 10, 2007 12:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and yes
im probably making too many assumptions about al, who obviously i dont really know that well.

point taken though.  I surely am.

and your post is reasonable and im not trying to insult you, just AL again =)

by DSheppard on Mar 10, 2007 12:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct
I, like shawn, post on BCB quite often.  ANd for full disclosure, I'm a Cubs fan as well (obviously).

For any flame you guys have received, I'm truly sorry.  You have had a thoughtful discussion here about this issue.

I will neither defend nor oppose what was posted on BCB.  Whether it was right or wrong, I sincerely hope that it does not affect your relationship with Mr. Wilson.  

Basically, I only want to say to you guys that I hope you don't feel as though ALL cub fans are reacting in the same manner.  If you peruse BCB, you will find that we also have intelligent baseball conversations revolving around our team.

I think it might be a good idea for some of you guys to head on over to BCB, create an account, and join in on the discussion.  Perhaps together we can have a truly intelligent conversation about this situation.

Thanks for taking the time to read this, inane blather though it may be!

sec

by secdelahc on Mar 10, 2007 12:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd agree with many of your points here...
but my main point is that i don't think Al is doing this for the sake of gaining readership for his blog. His comments about getting this story "out there" i think are more related to bringing attention to what he thought of (at the time, at least) as racism. But that's beside the point, as even my analysis carries its own assumptions based on previous interactions with Al.

I'm not defending his judgment or all his actions; i'm just arguing that he may not be doing all this for attention, and that he's as entitled to making mistakes as other people are.

The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Mar 10, 2007 12:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry
I don't believe you.

This "Al" guy is the kind of jackass who makes the world a worse place to live, and he needs to go away forever.

"Hello there, Little Red Riding Hood. I ate your grandmother, and now I'm ready for love."

by thedirkatron on Mar 10, 2007 12:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We'll have to disagree there...
but i ask you to at least consider the possibility that Al did this out of good intentions, and realize that accusations about him based on his blog story carry their own set of assumptions.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Mar 10, 2007 12:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

accusations of racism
about a public figure are FAR MORE DAMAGING than accusations of someone being an attention whore.

Unless it is his personal mission to expose racism in this country among all public figures (celebrities, athletes, politicians), there is no explanation at all as to why he would feel compelled to call out two baseball players that aren't even on his favorite team, completely randomly, other than to be glorified for it.

Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Mar 10, 2007 8:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just curious?
random cubs fan comes to defend 'Al' and says its the same thing to accuse 'al' of glory seeking as 'al' calling CJ and BMac racist.

quick question:  'al' is quoted as saying 'how do make something out of this'  or something to that extent, publicly.  He is also quoted as saying he hates the political correctness but then rails on it.  

Personally i came to my conclusion that 'al' is a glory hog through facts whereas 'al' came to the fact CJ is racist through assumption.

for all we know "al" could be an adulterer, a racist, have 7 wives, beat them all, the point is we dont know who 'al' is.  Al is a mysterious name on a mysterious website who can hide behind the whole thing.  CJ Wilson is a public figure who you can find every minute detail you want.  and very easy to contact.

May you ride your cursed goat to hades cubs fans. you are losers.

all of you.

PS:  it wasnt that kid who caught the foul ball in the pennant that cost you the game, it was your SS blowing a routine double play.  

curse of the goat!

.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Mar 10, 2007 12:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wow
I'm not sure how to effectively reply to this, but I'm gonna give it a whirl.

I think shawn's point was that things were taken out of context on BOTH sides.

for all we know "al" could be an adulterer, a racist, have 7 wives, beat them all, the point is we dont know who 'al' is.

Again, exactly the point.  I know Al, so I can say this isn't true.  But you don't know him, therefore it is an assumption to say these things.  And it is also very easy to contact Al if you'd like to.  He links his email address at the top of his site.

Yes, there are Cub fans contributing to the discussion here.  I'm sorry if it offends you that I enjoy a baseball conversation with people other than Cub fans.  Yet, I am here not to argue about your team, its fans or its performance.  I take offense to being considered a "loser" simply because I follow a team passionately and/or want to discuss a certain issue with the members of this site.  

BTW, any semi-knowledgeable fan will tell you that 03 was not caused by a fan.  We know this.  It's amusing that when attempting to insult a Cub fan, this is the first thing and often only thing that comes out of their mouths.

Wow.

by secdelahc on Mar 10, 2007 1:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well
one of your guys over there suggested all texans are racist so we are even =)  props to ksucubbies for pointing that out though.

both blogs are getting some over the top replies, maybe my post included.

so... how about we just go back in time a day and forget about this......

i wish.

p.s.- why do cubs fans have accounts over here 0.o? rangers and cubs dont really have strong ties.  of course its fine for you to post here it just seems strange.  unless perhaps there is no 24 hour delay posting rule here like there is over on the cubs blog.

by DSheppard on Mar 10, 2007 1:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if that Texans are racist comment...
was sarcastic or not.

Either way, i bet we all agree on one thing... that all of this never happened in the first place.

The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Mar 10, 2007 1:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're correct
I just noticed that comment, and it was over the top.  I'll probably respond to it in a moment...

Ksucubbie also pointed out that we would probably have the same reaction if it were one of our players and the BCB article had appeared on another SBNation site.  Sadly, this is probably true.  

Yes, let's go back in time and forget it all happened.  There is less than 25 days until the regular season.  Won't it be nice to get back to meaningful baseball?

PS- I can't vouch for anyone else, but I came over today after all the hub-bub at BCB, wanting to see the reaction here to the post.  After having read a few things, I felt like I wanted to respond, so I signed up.  I promise, I won't overload your site with random Cubbie facts :)

by secdelahc on Mar 10, 2007 1:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i didnt mean
i didnt mean it was weird that cubs fans came over here to discuss it, i thought it was was weird that you already had accounts here ready to post on.

where as if i signed up for the cubbies one i would have to wait 24 hours to post.

but yeah, i guess we dont have the 24 hour limit.. so uh.. disregard that line of questioning.

by DSheppard on Mar 10, 2007 1:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Al
mentioned here that it was a comment spam issue over at BCB that enforced the 24-hour rule...

Consider the line of questioning disregarded :)

by secdelahc on Mar 10, 2007 1:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and...
there's no 24 hour posting rule. I signed up for an account here tonight.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Mar 10, 2007 1:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think
This is a well run site.  Nods to Adam for that. Poster age here runs from 15 to 70, just for fun visit the LSB Demographics diary.  Sometimes opinions are intense, but usually pretty well thought out, or at least minimally knee jerk. Topical analysis runs wild, and that's a drawing card (at least for me). It's rare that a thread of this nature runs 100+ posts, but I understand the back and forth considering a highly valued and for all purposes sincere input from a rostered player (or two or three) adds to our insight.  Looks like we may have lost that, not through our own doing, so any fire and venom is probably from that point moreso than eye popping from Al's criticism.

I'm out, so tired my Z's look like 7's.

"When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil."

by Ed Coffin on Mar 10, 2007 1:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He does a have a point...
i mean, you have to be pretty pathetic to root for a team that hasn't been to the World Series in over 50 years and hasn't won it in near a hundred yea... Oh, wait? Wha's that?! The Rangers are the oldest franchise to never compete in the World Series? They've never even won a playoff series? They've only won one playoff game!?!?!

Wow... i guess we're all losers here today. :-(

The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Mar 10, 2007 1:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yah
And it would have been just as easy for Douche-Bag McGee (Or "Al", as you like to call him) to contact CJ or McCarthy before accusing them both of being racists. It's so easy to contact CJ, but D.B. McGee made no effort to do so. He thought only of himself and the glory this grandstanding little fake ass crusade of his could bring him.

He's needs to go away. Forever.

FWIW, I have no problem with Cub fans. Baseball is a wonderful sport, and part of its appeal is the loyal following each team enjoys. So continue to root on the Cubs, and we'll continue to root on the Rangers.

Just don't expect any of us to show even a modicum of respect for that dolt of blogger over there at BCB.

 

"Hello there, Little Red Riding Hood. I ate your grandmother, and now I'm ready for love."

by thedirkatron on Mar 10, 2007 1:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I concede your point
As I originally said, I'm not here to condone or endorse the post on BCB.  Whether or not you respect him is your choice.

I made a similar point, as did others, on BCB.  That point would be that we can't judge what we don't know.  To do so is akin to stereotyping, and that's not right.

Thanks for voicing your support of Cub fans in general.  The person I replied ot above did the exact opposite, but you are respectful, where he (or she) was not.

And FWIW, Good luck to the Rangers this year.  Hopefully everything works out well for your team.

by secdelahc on Mar 10, 2007 1:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're wrong and then you're probably right...
"for all we know "al" could be an adulterer, a racist, have 7 wives, beat them all, the point is we dont know who 'al' is.  Al is a mysterious name on a mysterious website who can hide behind the whole thing.  CJ Wilson is a public figure who you can find every minute detail you want.  and very easy to contact."

That's where you're wrong. "Al" isn't just "Al." He posts as himself, and is very open about it. He has commented often about his career and his family life on his blog. Also, most people around the Cubs blog-o-sphere know his full name (you could probably find it yourself with a short google search). He may not be as public as a pitcher for the Texas Rangers, but he does not just hide behind an online alter ego. He is himself when he interacts online.

"May you ride your cursed goat to hades cubs fans. you are losers."

That's where you're probably right. Some would argue we've been riding that goat in Hell for 98 years... and counting...

"PS:  it wasnt that kid who caught the foul ball in the pennant that cost you the game, it was your SS blowing a routine double play."

I wouldn't question that... i'd question whether or not the foul ball play impacted the next one. I'm not convinced one way or the other, but i don't think it helped. Regardless, the most important thing that happened in that whole game was the booted DP-ball, made even sadder by the fact that the SS was on the roster for primarily his excellent defense.

The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Mar 10, 2007 1:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nevermind the google search...
His name is on his blog. He doesn't hide behind a persona, of this there is clear proof.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Mar 10, 2007 1:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why you are bothering to talk about
the goat.  Everyone knows that the ONLY real curse in baseball was the curse of the Bambino...all other curses are just made up to excuse poor play!!! :-) LOL

by Beverly23 on Mar 10, 2007 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Al's myspace
funny how Al's myspace is set up for only private access where both ballplayers are public.  says a lot about the type of person they all are.
.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Mar 10, 2007 1:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Actually, it doesn't say much...
and that assumes the MySpace page above is actually Al's page. Assuming it is, you have to make further assumptions about why it is private to draw any conclusions about Al from that fact. Is it because he's got creepy stuff on there? Is it because he's paranoid? Is it because he's had bad experiences in the past related to his MySpace page? Is it because someone is stalking him?

WHO KNOWS?! If that's Al site, and its private, Al knows the reason. Unless he's told them to you, you do not know the reasons.

The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Mar 10, 2007 1:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Goat?
that fan who caught the ball got death threats, he had to call in sick to work for fear of his life, he had to be escorted out by armed gaurds, yet every cubs fan knows it was the SS's fault?

i was even rooting for the cubs that night, i felt they finally deserved it, that night was the night that i came to the conclusion that cubs fans deserved to never win a WS ever.  Maybe the cubs do, but not their fans.

Personally im kinda sick of the cubby 'lovable loser' stigma.  the cubs have been a much better measure of success over the last 40 years than the rangers.  Somehow being 'lovable losers' allows your fans can call in death threats or try to ruin a guys life b/c your team blew it.

after that night, i will never look at the cubs or their fans the same way again.  it was classless,  just like Al's hypocrisy is classless. Like this post is classless. One day his blog is about how he's very anti PC, then in a later blog, he is the purveyor of Political Correctness.  Can't have your cake and eat it too.   Thats a hypocrite.

BTW: This is why ballplayers act like they do to the public.  Like Arod being Captain PC.  Hell, i dont blame him, what does he gain from being himself, or opening himself up and showing the public who he really is?  I know i wouldnt bother and I assume CJ over time learns the same thing.  

.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Mar 10, 2007 1:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Damn Goats!
that fan who caught the ball got death threats, he had to call in sick to work for fear of his life, he had to be escorted out by armed gaurds, yet every cubs fan knows it was the SS's fault?

I didn't say every cubs fan.  I said every semi-knowledgeable cubs fan.  There's a difference.  Just as I'm sure there are with the Rangers, there are those of us who follow the game closely, and those who are casual fans.

Personally im kinda sick of the cubby 'lovable loser' stigma.

On this, we are completely in agreement.

One day his blog is about how he's very anti PC, then in a later blog, he is the purveyor of Political Correctness.

Actually, i believe you are referring to the SW Airlines thing that was posted above.  Look at the date.  It was three years ago.  I'm not refuting your opinion of Al, because it's yours and you are entitled to it, but please don't infer that it's happening one day right after the other.

This is why ballplayers act like they do to the public.  Like Arod being Captain PC.  Hell, i dont blame him, what does he gain from being himself, or opening himself up and showing the public who he really is?  I know i wouldnt bother and I assume CJ over time learns the same thing.

I sincerely hope that this situation doesn't result in CJ stopping his posts on this site or other blogs/MySpace.  It's awesome that he does post.  I wish more Cubs players would post on BCB.

Someone above had it right.  It would be nice to forget this whole thing ever happened.  From both sides of the fence...

by secdelahc on Mar 10, 2007 2:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't know where to put this...
... so I'll put it here at the bottom.

First, no, I didn't send this to Deadspin. They found it on their own.

Second, after having read all (and yes, ALL) the comments both here and at BCB, I admit that I didn't position this as well as I could have.

To accuse CJ Wilson of racism -- well, that was just wrong. Basically, it appears that he posted a photo that could have -- and was, by me -- taken the wrong way. CJ's explanation is perfectly reasonable. My point, which I clearly didn't make very well, is that people who post online perhaps should think more carefully about what they post, for this exact reason -- that they can be taken the wrong way.

To those who gave me constructive criticism on this issue, I thank you. You're right, and I apologize, and I apologize specifically to CJ Wilson, who I have been told is a standup guy. Never having met him myself, I'll trust those who have told me so.

Thanks also to the BCB'ers who have come over here to join the discussion.

Oh, and FWIW, there isn't anything on the Myspace page I created (yes, that was created by me) -- I created this page primarily because you can't look at photos on other people's Myspace pages unless you are logged in. Thus, I had to create a Myspace login to do this. And no, there's no deep dark secret here either -- there are some people that I know who have Myspace pages and who wanted to show me some photos posted there. No other ulterior motives of any kind.

I wanted to start a dialogue. I didn't do it very well. For that, I am sorry.

Al, Bleed Cubbie Blue

by Al on Mar 10, 2007 5:39 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Re:
Ok, and as soon as you update your title (and/or original post) with something similar to what you just said, I'll (and I'm sure a lot of LSBers will) be willing to move on from this episode as a learning experience for everyone involved (except for me, since I already have known that pre-judging another person's motives from a slim amount of postings is not the wisest thing to do, and I don't have a MySpace page :p).

Req

by Requiem on Mar 10, 2007 6:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Done...
... and thank you for your thoughtful comments. I have learned a lot from all of this; I hope others have as well.

by Al on Mar 10, 2007 7:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW
I'm not really sure how you got:
What you say and do online is you -- for better or for worse. I put my real name on this site, and I think anyone here who has met me in person would agree that I'm exactly the same in "real life" as I am here.

Those who choose to act otherwise may reap what they sow. I'm not often a fan of Ozzie Guillen's antics, but he may have been right when he recently ripped McCarthy for his attitude when he was a member of the White Sox.

from this article.

What exactly is McCarthy sowing?

He states that the White Sox "always seemed to be focused on the negative."

which is then followed by this brilliant Ozzieism:

"When he said that we weren't positive with him, I said, 'Well, when you pitch like [garbage], you can't be positive,'"

and

"One thing about Ozzie Guillen," Guillen continued. "Ozzie Guillen is never negative. I think one of the biggest reasons I'm managing the ballclub is because I'm always positive. I don't care how bad you play. I'm going to go out and tell the truth, but we're going to make sure that you are going to get better."

and

"I don't hate him. He pitched for me, pitched good for me. He was one of my players,"
.

Not only that, but no where in that article does Ozzie talk about McCarthy's attitude when he was a member of the White Sox. He talks about McCarthy's COMMENTS about the White Sox (which, of course, he seems to misconstrue) AFTER McCarthy was traded to the Rangers.

Req

by Requiem on Mar 10, 2007 6:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok....
Some summary thoughts and feelings.

1) Thank you CJ, for clearing up the idea behind the actual picture (even though I didn't see it). I didn't think you were trying to be racist, and it's really sad that that is the immediate conclusion that some people jump to. Sometimes, people like to project what they are or what they fear onto other people.

Anyways, I hope this doesn't cause you to stop interacting with us LSB users, but I can understand if you would hesitate to be as open as you have been. Whatever path you choose to take, I'll be behind it.

2) To those reasoning Cubs fans who came over from BCB, thank you for taking a reasoned approach to this. It's much easier to discuss some things when all parties aren't reflexively defensive about things.

However,

A) Al has still not changed the title of his thread (nor it seems the content). Maybe it's impossible to change the thread title. (I don't know how their software works). I HAVE seen Adam change the content of the post, yet Al still hasn't even stated in the MOST PROMINENT PART THAT  he has come to the conclusion that no racism was involved (or that the main thrust of his post was that Professional Ballplayers shouldn't post on MySpace).

In fact, CJ not only apologized about posting something which some people found offensive, but posted his rational for why he did so.

If I were Al, I'd be AT LEAST be changing (or updating) the content of what I posted, because 1. his suppositions have been shown to be flagrantly wrong, 2. it would show that he was more concerned about what he says he wanted to target rather than what other people say he'd want to target, and 3. it would be a good thing for him to do morally.

B) No one (including Al) has really responded to the point against Al at BCB about how he might be showing quite a bit of hypocrisy.

Also, how the heck can a photograph be racist?

Does the photograph judge us only by our skin? Does it discriminate based on that skin? Will it refuse to take our picture if we are of another race?

C) Even though I don't agree with a lot of the name-calling that's been going on from some users of this site, I can understand the anger in it.

A major-league baseball player has given us LSBers unparalleled access to himself, including taking the time to reach out to this community and befriending us.

And now he's seen as being attacked as a potential racist just because he made a mistake in judgment on posting something (at which a large plurality, if not a majority, of people would likely not take offense).

Not only that, but we might LOSE that access and friendship with that major leaguer because some guy posted on a blog that racism was occurring (from the ever-sentient photograph) without even thinking about checking in with the player or other team sites, and well, I know that I get a little irritated.

Let's put it this way. Let's say that Rich Hill had become a solid fixture in the BCB community. He's extremely open to questions and will respond honestly to things that people say or ask him. In fact, he pretty much treats the community as if he were one of the community.

Then, let's say that Adam had found a potentially offensive photograph on Hill's personal website.  And instead of checking with BCB or Rich Hill, he paraded that photograph in his post as offensive (whether due to ageism, racism, or whatever) and then chastises the Hill as well as bag on another Cub player.

Then after getting the information cleared up, he STILL hadn't changed his post to reflect the new information that he's garnered.

I think you BCBers would be feeling something similar to what a lot of us LSBers are feeling now.

3) What is up with the people who feel the need to denigrate another group just to feel better about themselves?

It happened on both this site and the BCB site, where people felt the need to label the other site as a bunch of idiots and their own site as the one which is more "unbiased."

Grow a clue, people. There are people who are very thoughtful, rational, and intelligent on BOTH sites. There are also people who don't add much to the conversation and are just knee-jerkers on BOTH sites. When you can understand that, you might have just graduated from being one of those knee-jerkers to someone who contributes to the conversation.

BTW, not all of us Rangers fans are Texans, and quite a lot of us don't- and didn't- want Bush for President.

Req

by Requiem on Mar 10, 2007 6:21 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Your points are all well-taken.
I've changed the title of my post to something less inflammatory, and honestly -- I do NOT bear any ill-will toward CJ Wilson, Brandon McCarthy, or any of the Rangers, nor their fans.

Now, I look forward to the Cubs playing (and beating!) the Rangers when they visit Arlington in June.

by Al on Mar 10, 2007 7:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Go look at the picture.
Req,

Your reasoning about whether the photo was racist is risible.  Does the photo "refuse to take our picture if we are another race?"  Is your point there that a racist photo just can't exist?  I can think of a few.

Serious, go look at it.  Then, imagine your black.

You're placing too much weight on the fact that CJ posts here.  He's just another guy, albeit with a talent for throwing.  Before you run to his defense, at least check out the image.

Posting that photo and then expecting people to take it ironically is like yelling "fire!" in a movie theatre and expecting same.  It's naive.  No one's mentioning this.

Good for Wilson for explaining, but it's still short-sighted.

Even if he [swoons] posts on LSB!

by hightowersmith on Mar 10, 2007 10:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I knew.....
that sooner or later someone would go there.  No one is "swooning."  

by bdavison94 on Mar 10, 2007 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm.
Do you really mean that nobody's mentioning that posting that picture was naive and a bad idea?  Because you may wish to rethink that.

Also, ironically is the wrong word.  Inside joke would be more accurate.

by a bebop a rebop on Mar 10, 2007 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well
An inside joke is itself an irony.  It's a statement with an extra level of meaning.

You're right about the naive thing.  I replied to req first thing this morning, and didn't get through all the comments from last night.  The point's been made, that's true.

by hightowersmith on Mar 10, 2007 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
I agree with your take.

by trza on Mar 10, 2007 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Man.....
You spend a night watching college basketball and look what you miss.

Req....well said my man.  I knew you'd come through with a great post on this.

CJ....I hope that you'll not let this one incident limit your participation here at LSB.  You'd be sorely missed.  I think I speak for us all when I say your insight and honesty has been a fantastic addition to our little world here.  You have made me an even bigger Ranger fan because of the access you've given us and given my love of the team already that was not an easy thing to do.  I support you in whatever you decide but I sure hope you'll still come here as well as keep your own blogs up.

Al....I hope your comments about this being a lesson learned will hold true not just for you but all those involved with this incident.

by bdavison94 on Mar 10, 2007 11:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Grant
Saw in todays morning news that evan grant posted a small blurb with cj's apology.... not sure if its a good or bad thing, i'd  like to see this whole thing just blow over as it really has been blown out of proportion. However Mr. grant did not go into details which is good, no need to stir things up more than they are already
Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!

by rentz on Mar 10, 2007 8:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

damn it
"I want him focused on figuring out a way to beat that lefty's ass." - RW

by ab03 on Mar 10, 2007 9:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i just read it
its handled well - just says inappropriate picture.  good
"I want him focused on figuring out a way to beat that lefty's ass." - RW

by ab03 on Mar 10, 2007 9:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

link?
What did Grant actually say? I'm kind of annoyed at him for actually saying anything about it...

by Longhorn on Mar 10, 2007 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he sort of has to
If it turns into a story, he can write later that he initially reported it way back when.  In the process he perpetuates the story, though.  Once something like this gets out there's really no telling how far it will go.

If Wilson were considered a "star" player, this would already be everywhere.  As it is I doubt it goes much further, but there's no way of telling for sure.

by Dustin on Mar 10, 2007 11:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nevermind
just read it.

And what the hell. When is several sports blogs 2? I don't like this at all, Grant should have not said anything...

He's now counting on the avg fan for his news?? pathetic.

by Longhorn on Mar 10, 2007 11:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...
Is Deadspin a legitimate website?  Their post did way more damage to the situation than Al's.  They were really the first ones to use the word "racist."  I'm not defending him or anything, because I do think it was a little suspiciously random of him to go into that rant, but whatever.

Back to Deadspin.  The author of that article comes across as REALLY ignorant to me:
We don't understand what that "Taoist" business means...  Not just that, but his writing style is childish (which might be a complement).
Finally, some of the comments, real mature adults they have over there at deadspin:
"C.J. Wilson prevented Hafner from breaking the single season GS record.
I hope someone uploads child porn on his Myspace."

"great another scrub.
i'm not sure which is more offensive, the racist picture of a black guy passed out on a corner next to mcdonalds and watermelon or texas' pitching staff.
at least black folks created rap. What have the rangers ever accomplished?"

And that is not counting the numerous references to the girls on BMac's page, and how he must be hooking up with all 'dem skanks.

Retards.

Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Mar 10, 2007 9:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

compliment
It might be a complement to his intelligence
Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Mar 10, 2007 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Deadspin was WAY over the top...
especially when they started comparing Wilson to the players at USC. What's worse is that Deadspin gets read by people all over the country - even by people that don't regularly read sports blogs.
The Cubs better shine 'fore twenty-oh-nine!

by shawndgoldman on Mar 10, 2007 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry this has happened
America loves to tear down athletes and celebrities.  It was a mistake to post that particular photo, sure, but anyone who's ever come to know you on the internet should know that there couldn't have been a racist intent behind it.  

I think you're handling it the right way (measured responses).

In the future, I think you have to be extremely careful about anything and everything you put on the internet.  Think two, maybe three times about it, then post.  Obviously, YOU enjoy doing what you're doing with the fans and that's what counts, so I hope this doesn't make you stop.

To the Cubs' blogger, here's a big "fuck you".  CJ Wilson has never hid himself or his writing from the public.  His thoughts are out there all over the place.  Had you bothered to do even a minimal amount of research about him, I think you wouldn't known he's not a bad guy or a racist that needed to be "exposed".  Ridiculous.

by Dustin on Mar 10, 2007 9:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well, 128 comments
So I feel obligated to post. I'm a commenter on Deadspin, so I review that stuff regularly. I'd say that Deadspin's commenters' response indicates that they're in agreement with LSB. I think Will Leitch (editor of Deadspin) was wrong on this one (hope I don't get my commenting privileges revoked).

I cringe at comments here and elsewhere about people knowing what type of person another poster/commenter is. Saying that, I don't cringe at thinking I know what type of person CJ is. He's not racist, but I do KNOW that bleedcubbieblue is a piece of crap site based on one and only one post. F---stick.

Texas Rangers: baby step to 2007. Baby step to 2007.

by WyoRanger on Mar 10, 2007 10:25 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Bleed Cubbie Blue
It's a great blog.  I've read it before and will continue to read it, but that particular entry was grossly irresponsible.  A blogger these days has to know how these stories get picked up and passed around.  We still haven't seen the end of it by any stretch of the imagination.  The whole thing is just unfortunate.

by Dustin on Mar 10, 2007 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not entirely sure about something you said:
"I cringe at comments here and elsewhere about people knowing what type of person another poster / commenter is."

Are you saying that people should not be passing judgment on other posters?  Which site are you defending, deadspin?
I'm confused, because you then call out BCB.

Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Mar 10, 2007 11:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Clarification, I guess
Perhaps "passing judgment" was used in an improper manner. My point is that on blogs and things like that you can't/shouldn't draw conclusions on a person's general beliefs. You can rip them on the words they use in a specific post i.e. inaccuracies, etc. But you can't use those posts to draw broad conclusions on them.

But that's the point about the BCB post; he drew a conclusion about a player's beliefs. I'm not defending Deadspin, in fact, I said its editor was wrong.

The only person we're allowed to sterotype is Sharky. Sorry, man.

Texas Rangers: baby step to 2007. Baby step to 2007.

by WyoRanger on Mar 10, 2007 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, okay...
you were saying not to pass judgment on CJ.  That makes more sense, thanks for the clarification.
Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Mar 10, 2007 4:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like cheetos
I saw where CJ said that'd he would discontinue signing his name up for new forums.  While this is disappointing, it isn't surprising.

Like it or not, CJ's name has some notoriety now that he's a MLB player.  Whether that fame is directed to only die hard Ranger fans or fans throughout the country is totally up to him, as well as whether that fame can last for 15 minutes or 15 years.

That being said I truly hope you maintain your presence here and Jamey's site as its great reading your posts.

My suggested answer to all of this?  Pretty simple:

  • 95 MPH fastball blown by the hitter for strike one
  • Nasty sinker down and in for strike two
  • Hellacious slider fanning the hitter, getting you, your desired Save winning us the World Series in 2007

by sfeivor on Mar 10, 2007 11:12 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks a lot ass wipe(al)
now bmac has made his profile private only. I don't blame him with swine like you around.

by Longhorn on Mar 10, 2007 11:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

That
was a pathetic episode. It doesn't matter if you apologize now Al, our community has suffered because of your vindictiveness. Thanks a lot, why don't you go read Athletics Nation instead.

by FirebatM3 on Mar 10, 2007 11:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

What an unfortunate series of circumstances
It's amazing how fast the shit can fly. Sad.

People do love their high-horsin witch hunts...

I like camo because it makes you blend in. But when you're not in the woods, it does the opposite. Its like, hey, there's an asshole.

by Brian Thomas on Mar 10, 2007 4:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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