Danks MLB Debut

by 3Bagger on Apr 8, 2007 11:28 AM CDT Comment 90 comments

Today is the day. John Danks pitches at 1pm Central on WGN. He's going against Johan Santana. Yikes. Today's Austin American Statesman has a nice article discussing his journey to the Show. It also discusses how the MLB does the best job in celebrating how special it is to debut in the Big Leagues. Danks turns 22 one week from today. He said, "It's surreal, but it's starting to sink-in a little more now."

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Prediction

4 2/3 IP
7 H
2 BB
4 K
3 ER

Obama '08

by RangerMoto on Apr 8, 2007 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

WHO F#CKING CARES?

by tklawless on Apr 8, 2007 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Im thinking

2 IP
13 H
3 W
1 K
9 ER

by TexGoesYard on Apr 8, 2007 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

5IP

4H
1BB
5K
1ER

by Longhorn on Apr 8, 2007 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The W

6 IP
7 H
2 BB
4 K
2 ER

Cheney lurking in the bushes during Bush speech

by chief on Apr 8, 2007 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i am nervous

about this. i hate to cheer against the guy, but it will ruin my easter sunday if he goes out and pitches well.

by pwh9980 on Apr 8, 2007 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Forget Danks ...

The Nashville/New Orleans double-header this afternoon features starts by R.A. Dickey and Chan Ho Park!! Save those ticket stubs!

Rangers Farm Probables

by shroomer on Apr 8, 2007 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

wow

just watching him warm up...makes me kinda sad.

by Longhorn on Apr 8, 2007 1:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Danks line

5 IP
6 H
3 BB
2 K
4 ER

by cmkelly29 on Apr 8, 2007 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

This is probably pretty close to where he'll...

...end up. I might even tack on another run.

by Stealfirstbase on Apr 8, 2007 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

3 up

3 down top of the first for danks. did not look sharp though. maybe nerves.

by pwh9980 on Apr 8, 2007 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

His breaking ball

looked ugly

by cmkelly29 on Apr 8, 2007 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

btw, mlb.tv

has done away with the pong noises, thank the lord.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 8, 2007 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

also

mlb.tv rocking the widescreen for this game, makes the quality better. very nice!

by cmkelly29 on Apr 8, 2007 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

mmmm

widescreen; tis nice.

by Longhorn on Apr 8, 2007 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

was it me

or were the twins having problems catching up to a 88 mph fastball

by shallrelicme on Apr 8, 2007 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

and now

santana is being clocked at 88, is that normal for him?

by shallrelicme on Apr 8, 2007 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No

Normally he's between 93-94 on his fastball.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 8, 2007 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's climbing up there now

90 and then 91 back to back.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 8, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even though

he had 3 up and 3 down, he doesn't look bad. If he can't get that breaking ball over the plate, its going to be a long day...

Matt Kata for MVP

by miles on Apr 8, 2007 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

WGN

The game is on WGN, so just about anyone should be able to see it.

by mattrpav on Apr 8, 2007 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

AL ROY

Cheney lurking in the bushes during Bush speech

by chief on Apr 8, 2007 1:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

"He Gone"

Shut up Harrelson, you schmuck.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 8, 2007 1:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i've avoided hearing him

by taking advantage of the directv extra innings freeview, they've got the twins broadcast crew going

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Apr 8, 2007 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

through 2

2 IP
0 H
2 BB's
1 K
0 ER

by cmkelly29 on Apr 8, 2007 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

danks

he settling down now.
I'm thinking of turning it off because i don't think i can stand to see him do well, but i also dont want to watch him fail if that makes any sense

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Apr 8, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

These Twins

hitters are making him look good...

Matt Kata for MVP

by miles on Apr 8, 2007 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Danks' changeup

is freakishly nasty, it's on par with Johan's today...

by Longhorn on Apr 8, 2007 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That breaking ball

is falling over for strikes.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 8, 2007 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Justin Morneau

ruins John Dank's day.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 8, 2007 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

John Danks

John Owned.

by TexGoesYard on Apr 8, 2007 2:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Umm

Not really.

by Longhorn on Apr 8, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

Rangers got taken in that trade

by shallrelicme on Apr 8, 2007 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

trade

It's too early to rule on that, but I am still iffy on the deal, but I know why they did it... that deal will follow daniels around good or bad, and if it turns out it was a bad deal he likely finds himself out of a job before long.

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Apr 8, 2007 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm just saying after watching them both pitch

I can see who looks like a better pitcher.

by shallrelicme on Apr 8, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

after 1 start each?

too early to tell.
My gut tells me they will have even careers, with danks possibly being slightly better.

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Apr 8, 2007 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno

Danks looked as good as advertised, but he left a lot of balls up in the zone today that the Twins just failed to take advantage of. Against a team like Boston at RBiA he might not have been so fortuitous.

I think Danks going to be a stud (and for the record I wish we hadn't made that trade), but for '07 I still believe McCarthy is going to be the better pitcher over the course of the season.

"Look out, Itchy, he's Irish!"

by thedirkatron on Apr 8, 2007 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's cold there

Probably affecting the ball movement.

Cheney lurking in the bushes during Bush speech

by chief on Apr 8, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He had

a lot of problems locating the offspeed stuff early. Against a patient team, that will give him trouble.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 8, 2007 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Only one start each...

and better "looks" doesn't necessarily mean better performance.

by jcir454 on Apr 8, 2007 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Man

the moment I tell Ortonious that he's the king of the knee jerking Yahoos, this guy comes out of the wood works. I'm gonna hold off on all declarative statements for awhile.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 8, 2007 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The GM's can't see into the future

to figure out who is going to be the better pitcher 10 years from now so why is it a knee jerk when someone makes a of them by what kind of stuff they have?

by shallrelicme on Apr 8, 2007 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because

stuff varies from game to game? Because despite the fact that he had more Ks, Danks had much worse control than McCarthy's first outing? Because it's retarded to say anything about any player in 1 game? BEcause any better offensive team would have made Danks out of the game in the first 3 innings? Seriously, pick one. Either way you slice it, you're being retarded.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 8, 2007 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never mentioned I was judging his stats

you dumbshit

by shallrelicme on Apr 8, 2007 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's even more

stupid to judge stuff with one outing. If you don't understand that stuff/luck fluctuates from outing to outing, you're more stupid than I gave you credit for.

http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/

I think this blog is more fit for you.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 8, 2007 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sure

a pitcher's stats are more indicative of how good a pitcher is in a one game sample size than his stuff. You're as dumb as I thought you were at the start.

by shallrelicme on Apr 8, 2007 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What are you even trying to argue?

Are you saying we should judge him by stats or stuff? My argument is that either way, you're being retarded. You can't make judgements about young pitchers in 1 start, which is why you're retarded.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 8, 2007 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

judgements are made about players

on alot less than one major league start. Thats my point. You're saying I am retarded for not waiting a few years to make a judgement? Then it's not really a judgement then is it? It's a fact.

by shallrelicme on Apr 8, 2007 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm saying you're retarded

for not waiting a few weeks for a start. Those who make judgements on players in a few short weeks aren't very smart, so they're retarded as well.

Let's cut to the chase, I'll be you that McCarthy has a better year than Danks.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 8, 2007 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this year it is a toss up for me

next year and the rest of their careers I would take Danks. I think this trade will come back to haunt the Rangers, in my opinion they traded a guy that is more suited to the ballpark than McCarthy and has better stuff. The biggest reason they said they made this trade was because Danks was not supposed to be ready but yet he is starting for Chicago. I don't think a good GM makes that trade.

by shallrelicme on Apr 8, 2007 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok so your argument is

well, I think Danks is just a better pitcher despite the fact that I've never seen him before today, and I've only watched McCarthy pitch one time.

This is your argument? We're sure about this? Whatever, it's become apparent that you're an idiot. And great stuff (which Danks doesn't have as McCarthy commands his secondary pitches better than Danks), doesn't lead to success. Just ask Adam Eaton.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 8, 2007 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you can keep on letting other people

tell you what your opinion should be. I'll keep on trying to figure things out on my own. If that makes me an idiot so be it but you will still be an asshole.

by shallrelicme on Apr 8, 2007 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh please

even if that was your own, self-made opinion, it's too bad it sucks.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 8, 2007 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

keep trying convince yourself

everyone else is retarded if they don't agree with you. Have a nice life asshole.

by shallrelicme on Apr 8, 2007 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

stuff

they say jamey wright has excellent stuff same for adam eaton

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Apr 8, 2007 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention Volquez has good stuff.

It doesn't look to me like Danks has control problems though.

by shallrelicme on Apr 8, 2007 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Were you actually watching the game?

He couldn't get the secondary stuff over to save his life in innings 1-3.

He walked more people in his minor league career than McCarthy and from watching McCarthy last year, it's obvious that McCarthy has better command of the breaking stuff. What part of your argument makes sense?

by FirebatM3 on Apr 8, 2007 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

commanding his mediocre breaking stuff better

doesn't make him a great pitcher either. If my argument is flawed then so is yours.

by shallrelicme on Apr 8, 2007 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wait

what? The curveball from McCarthy was arguably better. Dank's change was probably better, but he couldn't command it down in the zone. As a result, it got left up a couple of times (the linedrives by Cuddyer and Mauer, were on the change). McCarthy did a good job getting his change down in the zone, used his fastball well to compliment it and showed a better curve (a pitch that Danks rarely threw).

Look, it's become obvious that you've never watched either of these guys pitch and knows very little about baseball. If you think that 1) better stuff = better pitcher 2) Danks had good command today 3) You can judge pitchers by one start, any further argument is just a waste of bandwidth.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 8, 2007 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my point was

"stuff" doesn't make a good pitcher.
Not saying danks won't be, but saying he will be great by seeing todays outings is kind of far fetched.

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Apr 8, 2007 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

Danks has some filthy stuff today.

by Longhorn on Apr 8, 2007 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Danks

This is hard to watch.

He's gonna be good for a long, long time.

"Look out, Itchy, he's Irish!"

by thedirkatron on Apr 8, 2007 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

What a awesome statement.

Tejeda had a much better start than this, is he not going to be good for a "long long time"

...duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

by TexGoesYard on Apr 8, 2007 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What?

That makes zero sense.

STFU.

"Look out, Itchy, he's Irish!"

by thedirkatron on Apr 8, 2007 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It makes perfect sense

You see one john danks start, and you say hes going to be good for a long long time.

We saw Tejeda have a start this season better than Danks, yet no comment on how good he is going to be?

by TexGoesYard on Apr 8, 2007 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That

is so dumb.

So I'm not allowed to comment on Danks (in a thread devoted to Danks) unless I make a corresponding comment about a current Ranger?

You're an idiot.

"Look out, Itchy, he's Irish!"

by thedirkatron on Apr 9, 2007 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Danks' line

6.0 IP
4 H
3 ER
2 BB
6 K

I was kind of close, but he won't get the win.

Cheney lurking in the bushes during Bush speech

by chief on Apr 8, 2007 3:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Looks like

Santana's showing him how it's done.

by a bebop a rebop on Apr 8, 2007 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Not really

both are 3/1 k/bb. And Santana was more all over the place early in the game and the sox just sucked it up at getting runners in. But Santana seems to be pitching in the low 90s like Danks.

by Longhorn on Apr 8, 2007 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You people are retarded

John Koronka looked good in his first start to.

by TexGoesYard on Apr 8, 2007 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

the kronster

looked really good his first couple of starts. Screw Danks, move on people. Stop eveluating after one start. do that at the end of the season. Mcarthy is and will always be the better pitcher. He was a better prospect then danks and made it the the majors quicker.n Mcarthy be far will be better.

by NYTXFAN on Apr 8, 2007 4:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

YEP

by tklawless on Apr 9, 2007 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

70 Comments on Danks?

Get a life guys, he is gone!

by tklawless on Apr 8, 2007 10:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He is gone

But if he proves to be as good or better than McCarthy then it's just another example that Daniels doesn't have a good grasp on what the hell he is doing. Should we move on from that too?

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Apr 9, 2007 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Daniels definitely needs

this trade to turn out well. His trade record is definitely pretty ugly.

"I snorted my father" - Keith Richards

by DJCahill on Apr 9, 2007 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

trades

chris young and adrien gonzalez are gone, lets forget about it!

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Apr 9, 2007 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where would this team have been last year

without Aki? And they could easily trade him for value now. Where were AGon & Sledge gonna play? Oklahoma City?

McCarthy and Danks have the exact same ERA after one start.....my goodness, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

by tklawless on Apr 9, 2007 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my point is

people are ALWAYS going to harp on past trades.
hell how long was the juan gonzalez trade thread on the newberg board?

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Apr 9, 2007 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Last year without Aki?

Maybe 3rd place.

Maybe last place.

Who cares?

"I snorted my father" - Keith Richards

by DJCahill on Apr 9, 2007 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Danks

Danks was decent today. But Padilla looked awesome. Kip Wells was a killer today too. 7 Innings - One hit.

by 3Bagger on Apr 8, 2007 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

please dear God

tell me this isnt the new juan gonzalez trade

its one fricken start. give it some time - at least half a season

by knockoutking24 on Apr 9, 2007 12:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Danks trade

What Danks did yesterday was belie the rationale for the trade being made in the first place, i.e. Danks is not a major league ready pitcher and McCarthy is. If McCarthy v. Danks is a wash this season, it still means the Rangers overpaid for the former because the White Sox got Nick Masset for their bullpen.

by doolindalton on Apr 9, 2007 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Shut Up People!

It's one freaken game my god!

by myoungfan11 on Apr 9, 2007 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know this is going to happen everytime

Danks pitches this year. If you are annoyed now just wait.

by shallrelicme on Apr 9, 2007 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No

when he gets 3 walked by Oakland or lit up by New York the next two times out, people will shut up. I expect you to not mention him again.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 9, 2007 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Funny how you called me retarded

for making a judgement on Danks after one start and now you go off and say he is going to get lit up.

by shallrelicme on Apr 9, 2007 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Psychology 101

What is up with the SHUT UP advocates? Explain that to me?

"Everyone shut up and forget about it!"

Despite this comment's declarative force, the real strength of discussing this stuff is to investigate the situation with as many facts as possible. We certainly don't know the outcome of this trade on April 9th. But it's also fun to consider how this might unfold.

by 3Bagger on Apr 9, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agee w/ it all

except the part about as many "facts" as possible. I haven't read to many facts in this thread just a bunch of ranting by crazed lunatics (myself included).

Just to add my two cents: Masset wins a Cy Young before either Danks or McCarthy, but McCarthy will make more money that the other two combined b/c he'll sign on as a spokesman for McDonalds in the next two years. Danks, well I can't think of any amazing future for him just yet.

by cgolden on Apr 9, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Data

I agree that there's certainly not enough factual data yet. But, as all discussion topics come and go, eventually a subject becomes so obvious that there's little or nothing left to debate. Right now, this one is at it's maximum intrigue level (for me at least). Because none of us really know what lies ahead.

Just based on one start, the wisest move might have been to sign Kip Wells for one year (#3 or #4 starter) and see if Danks could deliver at the All Star break. But one week is not enough data to know that outcome.

by 3Bagger on Apr 9, 2007 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If McCarthy vs. Danks is a wash this season...

Then that probably means McCarthy will have pitched himself out of the starting rotation, and the trade will definitely look like a better deal for Chicago.

IOW, I think Danks will struggle to keep his ERA below 5, and will likely be demoted to AAA or the bullpen.

by jcir454 on Apr 9, 2007 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs