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OT: Moving to the Metroplex?

My wife and I are giving serious consideration to moving to the Metroplex sometime within the next year, as we've grown tired of the rat race that is Orange County, CA (not to mention the fact that we don't want to raise our soon-to-be born baby in such a materialistic environment).

I personally lived in Arlington for about seven months back in 1993 and I'm very familiar with that area.  However, after taking the wife to her first Rangers games late last season, she wasn't sure if that was a community she'd want to live in.  Can those of you that live in the Metroplex give me some of the more desirable places if you fall into the middle to upper-middle class definition?  I've heard awesome things about Frisco and some of the other cities in that vicinity, but I'm not sure how the job market there compares to other communities in the DFW area...

Also, for any of you that have lived both in and out of the Metroplex, can you help me describe the annual climate to my wife?  I've told her that the summer months are somewhat brutal, but you get used to it...  When we were there in late September, the temperature hovered in the low 90's, which was bearable, but she thought it was WAY too hot for that time of year.  Again, I told her it's something you get used to, and humidity-wise I never felt like the weather was that horrible (it certainly isn't Florida!).  How do some of you deal with the climate out there?  Is your air-conditioner on 24/7?  Do you have to have a swimming pool?  Etc...

Any help, suggestions, etc. that the LSB community can provide are greatly appreciated... Someday, if we ever do move, I'll buy you all a beer at a Rangers or RoughRiders game!

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It depends on what you want
If you like new development, then Frisco is nice.  Traffic's not as bad as the NW side of the metroplex.  I'd also suggest Allen or McKinney.

But if you like established communities, my wife and I have lived in Richardson for awhile now and love it.  It's super close to Dallas (just north of 635-75), but we never run into any traffic.  We live on the NE side of Richardson, near the border of Plano, and it's so accessible to everything, neighborhoods are nice, and there's not a bunch of incoming traffic.  There hasn't been any single regret living here.

by isaacbrock on Jun 12, 2007 1:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

metroplex
well some of the nicer areas to live in are in the far north... plano, little elm, mckinney, frisco, allen.... living in any of those places you'll likely have to drive a decent ways for any job. I believe there are nice areas on the ft worth side of things, but i dont venture out that way much so i wouldnt know.

weather... it's hot. ac 24/7 in the summer and no you don't get used to 100deg days i don't care what people say you just dont get used to that.

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jun 12, 2007 1:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a native "metroplexan"
I've only moved here about 3 years ago after college and so far have lived in Dallas/Richardson (I was right on the line so I claim both of them), Euless, and Grapevine.  So far I have like Grapevine by far the most.  Euless lives up to it's nickname "Useless," about the only good thing about being there was it's almost halfway between Dallas and Fort Worth (I work in Dallas but go out in Arlington or Fort Worth).  Dallas was too big for me.  

I'll agree w/ rentz, I've lived in Texas my whole life and I dread every summer.  Even years like this one where it isn't god awful hot, there are mosquitos everywhere b/c of all the rain.  Weather has to be the worst part of Texas, except of course for the Rangers.  

If you don't have fun it's your own damn fault.

by cgolden on Jun 12, 2007 1:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Climate
Well, usually summer lasts 4-5 months, as does winter, which only leaves about 4 weeks of spring and 4 weeks of fall.  The heat is only oppressive for about 5 weeks from mid July to August, but there are many things to do other than sit next to your AC Unit to beat the heat.  There are 5 legitimate lakes for fishing, skiing, swimming, etc.  Many homes and communities have pools.  If you are looking for a somewhat established community that has good schools and is centrally located, you should check out Southlake, Valley Ranch, and Coppell in addition to the suggestion of Richardson above.

by jshcmp on Jun 12, 2007 1:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

make the move
Dallas is a great place to live...there are plenty of nice places to reside, I completely agree with Rentz on his.  I personally live really close to the Galleria, and love the proximity to all the highways/tollroads.  The Prestonwood neighborhood in far North Dallas is where I grew up, that's a great neighborhood.  Frisco's nice, but the further away you get from Dallas the more of a pain it can be getting into the city.

as for the heat here, it's unbearable when you're in work clothes, and yes the A/C is running constantly.  a pool is a necessity, so if you move into a house, get one with a pool or near a community pool.  If you move into an apartment or condo, you should be set.  but other than June - August, I think Dallas has some of the better weather around

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jun 12, 2007 1:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

choices
There are a lot of nice areas in the suburbs and if you're coming from Orange County, you could probably even afford some nice areas in Dallas. Which basically means, if living near work is a consideration, then find the job and then you can find a nice area near it.

Personally, I live in Flower Mound, which is pretty centrally located. I work in North Dallas now (30 min commute), but also can make to my seat at the Ranger game from home in about 40 min most days (depending on parking). We have good schools (if that is a consideration). We are close enough to Dallas and Fort Worth that getting to and from either place is not an all day effort. I'm also 5 min from a lake and 10 min north of DFW airport.

If I had it to do over, I might choose Frisco, but that would take a bite into my Ranger game attendance (since it is a good hour to the game from Frisco). I'd have to survive on Roughrider games I guess.

by Brandon Wilson on Jun 12, 2007 1:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Weather
You don't get used to 100+ degree high humidity weather.  I lived in TX for 28 years, and whenever I do go back during the summer, I quickly remember one reason why I left.  And I'm not sure north Dallas is any less of a rat race than southern california. I lived in east Dallas Lakewood area for 4 years, and it was okay. More diverse, close to lower Greenville and downtown. Not the cookie cutter mcmansions with no trees in site that a lot of the burbs have (though I have heard about people tearing down the old homes and building huge out of place houses in these old neighborhoods. Shame) Schools will be an issue in a few years for you though, so you'd have to look into that.

My advice - stay in CA, just move north.

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by SteveP on Jun 12, 2007 1:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My friend is a builder in the Dallas area
and they tear down old homes and build new duplexes.  From what I understand the city is behind this because he says the area is real rundown and this is bringing niceness back to an area that could use a boost.  Almost like an urban renewal.

by OKC Ranger Fan on Jun 12, 2007 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your freind is full of crap
these "old" rundown houses have more architectural and design character than any half plastic half plaster box they can put up for 120,000 dollars, if they want to make the neighborhood better, than he should renovate these old houses back to thier original eclectic form like the people that are trying to create a neigborhood and not a cashflow. i live in this area and this is a huge problem, the "city" is behind because of financial interest.

by M_Y_isDANK on Jun 12, 2007 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, I disagree
What person would pay $400k a side for some piece of crap?  Maybe in your area they are doing this.  It sounds to me like we aren't comparing apples to apples here.  

by OKC Ranger Fan on Jun 12, 2007 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would make sense
if it was the house that is worth that.. it is the land 2 blocks from greenville, and people will pay even more for a renovated house with a nice front porch and wood floors, than they will some brand new 1500 sg ft duplex, but tearing down the house and building the duplex is cheaper, easier, and faster

by M_Y_isDANK on Jun 12, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it depends
I think SteveP was complaining about McMansions, not duplexes.  My folks live across the street from a duplex that was recently bought and drastically fixed up by a contractor.  That kind of renewal is good.  McMansions are probably also good for property values, but, frankly, they are blight on the way a neighborhood looks.

by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

making the neigborhood better
is a great thing, but every time i see a frontend loader taken to another great house it sickens me, becuase it is always replaced by a cookie cutter, im all for reovation just not the destruction of these amazing homes, of course im sure there are plenty that are un repairable, but i am tired of seeing a bunch of cookie cutter plastic sided homes go up in this great area

by M_Y_isDANK on Jun 12, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure
which 'great area' you are talking about, but I think we agree completely on the substance.  I don't like mcmansions or the removal of old homes either.

My neighborhoods of reference are the Greenville area (primarily the M streets) and the Kidd Springs / Bishop Arts district.

You see less of the McMansion in the latter area.  Greenville seemed to have it bad last I looked (2005).  

by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure
what area he may be referring to, but the M streets and Lakewood are hardly "rundown". And I can't imagine revitalizing a neighborhood by building duplexes.

This is just a sad sight.

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by SteveP on Jun 12, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SteveP
I think we are talking about different areas

by OKC Ranger Fan on Jun 12, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also
I'm under the impression we are talking about entire streets.  Not a lot here or there.  And I'm on your side.  That picture is just pathetic.

by OKC Ranger Fan on Jun 12, 2007 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just hate
to see the really nice old houses torn down, and by nice i mean designed by an architect many years ago that might have actually put some thought into the design..(in case you havent noticed i have an architectural stake in this) no matter the area, im sure there are areas that need full demolition, but like you said above this is not a good thing  

by M_Y_isDANK on Jun 12, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh
That's gross.
Loves me some "loves me some".

by trza on Jun 12, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

move north?
You mean to the Central Valley, right?  Not to San Francisco.  SF is ridiculous expensive just like OC, LA, etc...  Actually, I'd recommend moving to San Diego.  But I love San Diego. :o)

Yeah, when I last lived in Dallas (2005) there were people building McMansions in the Greenville area.  Very depressing.  

For the OP, if you are going to send your kids to private school and you like older homes (you know, wood floors, large trees, etc...) you can look at the Kidd Springs / Bishop Arts district of Dallas (pretty much south of 30, West of 35E, North of Jefferson...my folks live there).  If you want to send your kids to public school then I'd forget living anywhere in Dallas proper.

If you are coming from CA and are selling a house you can probably afford to live in Kessler Park which is just north of Kidd Springs (but is a lot more expensive).

Really it all depends on where you will be working.

by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haven't spent much time
in the central valley. central coast would be sublime...if you could find a job that is.  Bay Area is expensive, but depends on what industry you're in. The pay out here could justify it, and you don't even need an air conditioner.
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by SteveP on Jun 12, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.
I think the Central Coast would be a fantastic area to live.

I lived in the SF bay area for 5 years and it was great.  I now live in the L.A. area.  Unfortunately you need an A/C if you live here (unless you're right on a beach...which I'm not).  

I still maintain that San Diego is the best area to live in.  Uh, even though I've never lived there. :o)

by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

San Diego
  1. People here can't drive
  2. No A/C needed 11 months of the year, so few places have it, but boy is August hot when the desert winds kick in.
  3. Everything is expensive except for the burritos, which are really good.  
  4. There is no decent BBQ to speak of
  5. Padre fans are absolute morons.
  6. The ocean is freezing
  7. Easily the most corrupt city in the US now that New Orleans washed away.

by JBImaknee on Jun 12, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay,...
  1. I hear that about everywhere I have ever lived.
  2. meh.
  3. Last I checked real estate in riverside and san diego counties were less than in San Francisco, San Mateo, Orange, or L.A. counties.  Granted I haven't looked in a while.
  4. meh
  5. meh
  6. hm, compared to the ocean in SF or Santa Cruz I find the water in SD to be warm.
  7. Now this is interesting.  Why do you say this?  More corrupt than L.A.? You gotta be kidding me?

by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

San Diego scandals...
LA may be poorly run, but has it had 3 city councilmen indicted for taking bribes from a strip club and a mayor forced to resign within a year of getting reelected due to separate scandal?  I think something like 3 of the last 5 mayors have been thrown out of office.  One of our congressmen was recently indicted for numerous offenses (Randy "Duke" Cunningham).  

As for real estate, it probably is cheaper than other parts of California. So what? It is still overpriced - $500K for a recently converted 2 bedroom apartment is too much money no matter where you live.  

by JBImaknee on Jun 12, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay,
I agree the real estate prices are too high, but you gotta live somewhere.  Unfortunately my job doesn't allow me to live just anywhere.  

I'd forgotten that Cunningham was from San Diego.  I was thinking he was from Orange County.  Whoops. :o)

New Orleans may have been wiped off the map but they still have Jefferson.  At least Cunningham was removed from office (and sent to jail IIRC).  

by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Corrupt city officials
Do they really have any effect on your daily life?

San Diego is paradise except for two things, two pretty big things: housing costs and the cheesy Socal people.

Hubris is right, SD is a fantastic city. Do you really not like living there?

"Why wasn't I moved by Million Dollar Baby? Because I have no soul, that's why." The Dirkatron, movie hater

by Brian Thomas on Jun 12, 2007 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously
The corrupt city officials are really just a source of amusement for me.  

And it is a nice place to live, if you have money.  I'm just a poor grad student though, so I get grumpy about my Dr Pepper's costing $5 for a twelve pack and my power bill being $80 when I don't even have A/C.

and really... I know drivers are bad everywhere, but I'm tired of blond bimbos on their cell phones merging onto the freeway at 40 mph.  

But I have to admit, I'd rather live here than most any other place if I'm not in Texas.  The weather is perfect, people are more laid back and friendly than other parts of Cali, and there are good restaurants and sports teams.  But I'm a Texan in exile - I have a God given right to be critical of where I am.

by JBImaknee on Jun 13, 2007 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not following
You want to raise your children in a non-materialistic environment, so you are considering moving to Dallas? A very admirable desire on your part, but I'm not sure you will find what you are looking for in Big D.
Loves me some "loves me some".

by trza on Jun 12, 2007 2:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sadly
McMansions are everywhere including OKC where you get quite a bit for your dollar.  I have some friends that have moved in a I don't have the ehart to tell them they made a mistake.  In 5 to 10 years those houses will start falling apart.  THe ceiling will drop, walls will become uneven.  It's not good.  Some people just need to use common sense.

by OKC Ranger Fan on Jun 12, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You want to raise your children in a
non-materialistic environment and you:

(a) Live in America
(b) Dwell on Earth
(c) aren't in a religious cult?

by isaacbrock on Jun 12, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
Orange County is Dallas w/ better haircuts and worse manners, without the beaches...
"Why wasn't I moved by Million Dollar Baby? Because I have no soul, that's why." The Dirkatron, movie hater

by Brian Thomas on Jun 12, 2007 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am moving back to the Metroplex
at the end of July.  Born and raised in north Ft. Worth and that's probably where we will end up again.  Keller/Watauga/N. Richland Hills/etc is very middle-to-upper-middle class (especially NRH) and does not compare in any way to the rat-race that is Dallas.  

Believe it or not, there is a lot of cultural difference b/w Dallas and Ft. Worth.  Dallas is oil money and Ft. Worth is cattle money.

If my wife wasn't taking a job with Keller schools, I'd rather live in Arlington again.  That's where I went to junior high and high school.

Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.

by WhipSmart on Jun 12, 2007 2:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You got it wrong.
FTW is all oil money now that the Barnett Shale's paying out like mad.

by isaacbrock on Jun 12, 2007 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

money
wouldnt that be natural gas money? isnt that what the bartlett shale is?
"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jun 12, 2007 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.
my bad.

by isaacbrock on Jun 12, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not originally
Ft. Worth wasn't founded on shale.  It was the cattle capitol of the south.  That was my point.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.

by WhipSmart on Jun 12, 2007 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orlando > DFW
I'm officially on the bandwagon: FIRE JOHN DANIELS!!!

by thedirkatron on Jun 12, 2007 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Materialism
Well, if you want to avoid some of the materialsim I would stay away from Plano and Frisco.  I grew up there and it was pretty bad.  I would like to think that I turned out alright, but that has more to do with my parents than my environment.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 12, 2007 2:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Plano, is, on the other hand
the place to go if you want to score some heroin.
Mitt Romney should "get out his small-varmint gun and drive those Guatemalans off his lawn" -- Sen John McCain

by DJCahill on Jun 12, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

back in the day
it was 'Black Tar' heroin.  Now I read about this 'Cheese' heroin.  What is it about Plano that attracts heroin (or heroin addicts)?

by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cheese
ive heard thats more dallas proper than plano, every store i see is about some kid in dallas od'ing on that stuff
"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jun 12, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suicide
Plano once had a bad problem with teen suicide (maybe early '90's).  Then it became a heroin problem when I was a senior ('98), and now heroin is back en vogue.  Lots of people speculate, but who knows for sure.  General consensus is middle class malaise.  You are only normal if you have lots of money.  One girl got an M3 for a graduation gift, and another girl got a Hummer in 10th grade.  I can go on and on about the cars kids drove, clothes they wore, etc.  Perhaps people are looking for an out to the cookie cutter, suburban life?

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 12, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
I saw some kid in west plano driving a brand new porsche.... i bet that kid's probably gotten anything he's ever wanted but probably still isn't happy. though thats just a total generalization
"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jun 12, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are plenty of
cookie cutter, suburban areas in the DFW area.  They don't all have heroin problems.  

But since you gave an anecdote, here's mine: I went to a private school (in Dallas).  My family, by no means, is rich, but most of the kids I went to school with were rolling in it.  No heroin problems. :o)  Actually, my anecdote isn't very good.  Sorry. :o(

by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i demand a better anecdote!
that one sucked :)
"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jun 12, 2007 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So
If I hang around Plano HS long enough with some drugs, what are my chances of scoring with the high school girls? :)
"Then I met some friends for a beer, went to a BoDeans's concert, and son of a vondruke, if I didn't leave him at the concert hall."

by RCCook on Jun 12, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even Mark Tuinei
thinks Plano is the place to be.
Mitt Romney should "get out his small-varmint gun and drive those Guatemalans off his lawn" -- Sen John McCain

by DJCahill on Jun 12, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those were the days
I remember when MTV came to do a special about PSHS when there were all the overdoses.  Now I read a report about another heroin problem in the Dallas area.  I've been out of the area for a few years, but I would not be surprised to see Plano as part of the problem areas.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 12, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Education
In defense of my own cynicism of Plano, the schools were (are?) some of the better ones in North Dallas.  Though my parents said that if they had to do it over, they would have picked Richardson over Plano.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 12, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Diversity
If you value raising your kid in an area with exposure to diversity (however you want to define this), Plano is pretty homogenious.  The money thing, while quite conspicuous, is but one stereotype.  For the most part, there is nothing but white people as far as the eye can see.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 12, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My 2 cents
I think if you are moving from the rat race of Orange County you definitely need to stay on the Dallas side of the metroplex.  I say this because even though it will be somewhat of a "slow down" it would be too drastic in the mid cities or Ft Worth.

I would highly suggest one of the newer developing areas (Allen, Frisco, McKinney, Little Elm, etc.).  I live in McKinney and it is exploding around us.  There is things going up everywhere.  While that is somewhat of a distraction at times it is progressing into a nice city life.

I spent close to 20 years in Arlington, Addision for about 2 years, and have also lived in Dallas proper for about another 5.  There is a ton of young families in my neighborhood in McKinney, and from what I can tell that is the majority of the makeup of the people around here.  I don't see quite as much of the quasi-LA materialistic ways I did in Addison, Uptown, etc.

I can suggest a great realtor I used.  He was an older man, and wasn't out to make his 250K real estate W2.  He really gave some great advice, and even turned down some money for referring me to where I lived and put it back into the cost of the home.  

I think a lot will depend on where you end up finding a new job.  If you work downtown McKinney, Frisco, etc. can be a beatdown for the drive.

Specific areas I would look at - just as far as homes, value, etc. would be West Frisco, South McKinney, Allen, West Little Elm, North Plano, etc.

I hope you find what you are looking for.

"Everyone in the world thinks they know everyhing" - DStar

by Mike Simonek on Jun 12, 2007 2:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah
all the areas you mentioned are all the same i'm looking at for a home purchase.... though frisco is way out of my price range.

McKinney and little elm from what i've seen give you the biggest bang for your buck.  but little elm will be a pain until the tollway is done

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jun 12, 2007 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?
My friends just bought a 2600 sq ft house for $129,000 on the border of Frisco and Plano, address is in Frisco.  In Richardson, it'd be around $200,000 or more.

by isaacbrock on Jun 12, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?
everything ive seen listed there is in the 200-250k range. 129k is excellent for frisco.... i may have to look again.

whats funny is a 3br-4br  house in dallas proper can cost 120k and it wont even be in a great area.
little elm and mckinney you can get 4br houses for about 130k

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jun 12, 2007 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rentz
look in West Frisco.  I thought the same thing and ended up in McKinney (Craig Ranch), but then had some friends that moves into a nice neighborhood West of the Tollway and the house prices were very similar to McKinney
"Everyone in the world thinks they know everyhing" - DStar

by Mike Simonek on Jun 12, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

129k for a 2600 sq ft house
You guys don't know how lucky you are.

That's a down payment on either coast...

"Why wasn't I moved by Million Dollar Baby? Because I have no soul, that's why." The Dirkatron, movie hater

by Brian Thomas on Jun 12, 2007 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding.....
people in Texas have no concept of what housing costs on the coasts.  

by bdavison94 on Jun 13, 2007 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I know
Which is why I don't plan on relocating anytime soon.
"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jun 13, 2007 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Little Elm
Even when the Tollway is done, LE will be a pain.   It takes forever just to get to the Tollway.  Someone forgot that when you add 15000 people in about 6 years you need some new roads.  
Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 13, 2007 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mckinney
I don't really see how its any more fast or happening than Fort Worth...
"Why wasn't I moved by Million Dollar Baby? Because I have no soul, that's why." The Dirkatron, movie hater

by Brian Thomas on Jun 12, 2007 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FtW
very under-rated.

by tricer on Jun 13, 2007 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IF YOU CAN PUT UP WITH THE HUMIDITY...
...then by all means, welcome.

as someone who's lived here their entire life (26 years)... i can proudly say that there's a lot to like about this area.  the cost of living is a lot cheaper, no doubt... several communities are growing at unbelievable rates... there's a lot of cultural diversity...

if you enjoy a swanky lifestyle, then uptown Dallas is where you want to be.  there's fine dining and shopping... the arts district... it's all centrally located.  that area has been booming the last few years, thanks in part to the American Airlines Center...

but, if you're more of a suburbanite, then you can't go wrong with Frisco.  it's one of the fastest growing cities in America.  personally i think it's being over-developed... it's gone from farmland to concrete, practically overnight... but, there's a lot to like about it too.  RoughRiders baseball, FC Dallas soccer... many companies (JCPenneys, Frito-Lay, EDS) have based their headquarters up that way too... in Frisco, north Plano... so, depending on what your business is, you might not have to drive far to work... just another attractive aspect of that community...

Frisco isn't the only place though.  Grapevine is a fantastic town.  it's not as big as Frisco... it's close to DFW airport... it's right in the heart of the metroplex... so you're not too far from Dallas or Fort Worth.  the downtown district is very old fashioned, and very well kept...

speaking of downtowns... Sundance Square in downtown Fort Worth is a hot-spot for nightlife.  it's one of the cleanest downtowns you're likely to visit... and then right down the street, you have the Stockyards, which has it's roots in the Old West, but is still fun to check out every now and then for a little culture.  lots of restaurants and bars to choose from... you'd do well to check it out if you haven't already... but, beware of the TCU college crowd.  man, those kids are douche-bags...

other communities south of fort worth are expanding likewise... Burleson, the Mansfield area... most of these places are becoming more eclectic, and aren't as rural or rustic as they used to be.

and then you have Arlington... which you would think had already grown itself out... but, the entire city is getting a "facelift", so to speak, thanks in part to the Cowboys new stadium, and the Super Bowl... but Arlington has been, and always will be, entertainment central... Six Flags, Hurricane Harbor, the Dallas Cowboys, the Texas Rangers...

damn, i should sell real estate...

but, you'd be well-advised to know that it does get very hot here in the summer, late summer especially... you're pretty much screwed in august and september... there's no rain... not very many clouds... you literally break a sweat your first minute outside...

if you can put up with that, you'll do fine here.

first round's on me.

by oc on Jun 12, 2007 2:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point about Arlington
It'll be very interesting what Arlington looks like by 2010-2011.  Surely property values will be on the rise...
If you don't have fun it's your own damn fault.

by cgolden on Jun 12, 2007 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AGREED
you know all those crappy little shops on collins, between division and randol mill?

don't be surprised if all that is torn down and rebuilt in the next two years...

by oc on Jun 12, 2007 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fort worth
thread over.

by jasun on Jun 12, 2007 2:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Because of
the Republican Governator.
Mitt Romney should "get out his small-varmint gun and drive those Guatemalans off his lawn" -- Sen John McCain

by DJCahill on Jun 12, 2007 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arlington for me..
I work in an industry where I have to convince people to relocate to different parts of the country.  My job would be much easier if I had to convince people to move here, rather than North Dakota.  
From reading your post, it sounds like a different lifestyle for your little one is the primary motivating factor.  That's why we chose Arlington.  The neighborhood we live in is very well established, and has the best combination of schools anywhere in the city.  It's quite, has lots of trees, and a very reasonable $/sq. ft. equation.  The only real drawback for us is that there aren't as many young families as you see in Frisco, southeast Arlington, Keller, etc.  
The final decision would depend on your priorities and lifestyle.  I can be at TBIA or Bass Hall in about 15 minutes.  Same for the FT. Worth Zoo.  I bought 2300 ft. with a pool in a great neighborhood for about $175, and it's appreciated to about $215 in 5 years.  Can't beat that.

Bottom line is that there are a number of nice options in the metroplex and, depending on what you want / need on a daily basis, you should have no trouble finding an area and neighborhood that would suit your needs....without going bankrupt.  Now the electric bills from running your pool pump and A/C, that's another story...

Jeff Henn is an idiot.

by Red Shoe Fan on Jun 12, 2007 6:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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