OT: Moving to the Metroplex?
My wife and I are giving serious consideration to moving to the Metroplex sometime within the next year, as we've grown tired of the rat race that is Orange County, CA (not to mention the fact that we don't want to raise our soon-to-be born baby in such a materialistic environment).
I personally lived in Arlington for about seven months back in 1993 and I'm very familiar with that area. However, after taking the wife to her first Rangers games late last season, she wasn't sure if that was a community she'd want to live in. Can those of you that live in the Metroplex give me some of the more desirable places if you fall into the middle to upper-middle class definition? I've heard awesome things about Frisco and some of the other cities in that vicinity, but I'm not sure how the job market there compares to other communities in the DFW area...
Also, for any of you that have lived both in and out of the Metroplex, can you help me describe the annual climate to my wife? I've told her that the summer months are somewhat brutal, but you get used to it... When we were there in late September, the temperature hovered in the low 90's, which was bearable, but she thought it was WAY too hot for that time of year. Again, I told her it's something you get used to, and humidity-wise I never felt like the weather was that horrible (it certainly isn't Florida!). How do some of you deal with the climate out there? Is your air-conditioner on 24/7? Do you have to have a swimming pool? Etc...
Any help, suggestions, etc. that the LSB community can provide are greatly appreciated... Someday, if we ever do move, I'll buy you all a beer at a Rangers or RoughRiders game!
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It depends on what you want
But if you like established communities, my wife and I have lived in Richardson for awhile now and love it. It's super close to Dallas (just north of 635-75), but we never run into any traffic. We live on the NE side of Richardson, near the border of Plano, and it's so accessible to everything, neighborhoods are nice, and there's not a bunch of incoming traffic. There hasn't been any single regret living here.
by isaacbrock on Jun 12, 2007 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
metroplex
weather... it's hot. ac 24/7 in the summer and no you don't get used to 100deg days i don't care what people say you just dont get used to that.
by rentz on Jun 12, 2007 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a native "metroplexan"
I'll agree w/ rentz, I've lived in Texas my whole life and I dread every summer. Even years like this one where it isn't god awful hot, there are mosquitos everywhere b/c of all the rain. Weather has to be the worst part of Texas, except of course for the Rangers.
by cgolden on Jun 12, 2007 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Climate
by jshcmp on Jun 12, 2007 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
make the move
as for the heat here, it's unbearable when you're in work clothes, and yes the A/C is running constantly. a pool is a necessity, so if you move into a house, get one with a pool or near a community pool. If you move into an apartment or condo, you should be set. but other than June - August, I think Dallas has some of the better weather around
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 12, 2007 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
choices
Personally, I live in Flower Mound, which is pretty centrally located. I work in North Dallas now (30 min commute), but also can make to my seat at the Ranger game from home in about 40 min most days (depending on parking). We have good schools (if that is a consideration). We are close enough to Dallas and Fort Worth that getting to and from either place is not an all day effort. I'm also 5 min from a lake and 10 min north of DFW airport.
If I had it to do over, I might choose Frisco, but that would take a bite into my Ranger game attendance (since it is a good hour to the game from Frisco). I'd have to survive on Roughrider games I guess.
by Brandon Wilson on Jun 12, 2007 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Weather
My advice - stay in CA, just move north.
by SteveP on Jun 12, 2007 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My friend is a builder in the Dallas area
by OKC Ranger Fan on Jun 12, 2007 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your freind is full of crap
by M_Y_isDANK on Jun 12, 2007 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I disagree
by OKC Ranger Fan on Jun 12, 2007 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would make sense
by M_Y_isDANK on Jun 12, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it depends
by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
making the neigborhood better
by M_Y_isDANK on Jun 12, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
My neighborhoods of reference are the Greenville area (primarily the M streets) and the Kidd Springs / Bishop Arts district.
You see less of the McMansion in the latter area. Greenville seemed to have it bad last I looked (2005).
by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
This is just a sad sight.

by SteveP on Jun 12, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SteveP
by OKC Ranger Fan on Jun 12, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
by OKC Ranger Fan on Jun 12, 2007 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just hate
by M_Y_isDANK on Jun 12, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
move north?
Yeah, when I last lived in Dallas (2005) there were people building McMansions in the Greenville area. Very depressing.
For the OP, if you are going to send your kids to private school and you like older homes (you know, wood floors, large trees, etc...) you can look at the Kidd Springs / Bishop Arts district of Dallas (pretty much south of 30, West of 35E, North of Jefferson...my folks live there). If you want to send your kids to public school then I'd forget living anywhere in Dallas proper.
If you are coming from CA and are selling a house you can probably afford to live in Kessler Park which is just north of Kidd Springs (but is a lot more expensive).
Really it all depends on where you will be working.
by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haven't spent much time
by SteveP on Jun 12, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
I lived in the SF bay area for 5 years and it was great. I now live in the L.A. area. Unfortunately you need an A/C if you live here (unless you're right on a beach...which I'm not).
I still maintain that San Diego is the best area to live in. Uh, even though I've never lived there. :o)
by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
San Diego
- People here can't drive
- No A/C needed 11 months of the year, so few places have it, but boy is August hot when the desert winds kick in.
- Everything is expensive except for the burritos, which are really good.
- There is no decent BBQ to speak of
- Padre fans are absolute morons.
- The ocean is freezing
- Easily the most corrupt city in the US now that New Orleans washed away.
by JBImaknee on Jun 12, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay,...
- I hear that about everywhere I have ever lived.
- meh.
- Last I checked real estate in riverside and san diego counties were less than in San Francisco, San Mateo, Orange, or L.A. counties. Granted I haven't looked in a while.
- meh
- meh
- hm, compared to the ocean in SF or Santa Cruz I find the water in SD to be warm.
- Now this is interesting. Why do you say this? More corrupt than L.A.? You gotta be kidding me?
by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
San Diego scandals...
As for real estate, it probably is cheaper than other parts of California. So what? It is still overpriced - $500K for a recently converted 2 bedroom apartment is too much money no matter where you live.
by JBImaknee on Jun 12, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay,
I'd forgotten that Cunningham was from San Diego. I was thinking he was from Orange County. Whoops. :o)
New Orleans may have been wiped off the map but they still have Jefferson. At least Cunningham was removed from office (and sent to jail IIRC).
by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corrupt city officials
San Diego is paradise except for two things, two pretty big things: housing costs and the cheesy Socal people.
Hubris is right, SD is a fantastic city. Do you really not like living there?
by Brian Thomas on Jun 12, 2007 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
And it is a nice place to live, if you have money. I'm just a poor grad student though, so I get grumpy about my Dr Pepper's costing $5 for a twelve pack and my power bill being $80 when I don't even have A/C.
and really... I know drivers are bad everywhere, but I'm tired of blond bimbos on their cell phones merging onto the freeway at 40 mph.
But I have to admit, I'd rather live here than most any other place if I'm not in Texas. The weather is perfect, people are more laid back and friendly than other parts of Cali, and there are good restaurants and sports teams. But I'm a Texan in exile - I have a God given right to be critical of where I am.
by JBImaknee on Jun 13, 2007 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not following
by trza on Jun 12, 2007 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly
by OKC Ranger Fan on Jun 12, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want to raise your children in a
(a) Live in America
(b) Dwell on Earth
(c) aren't in a religious cult?
by isaacbrock on Jun 12, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
by Brian Thomas on Jun 12, 2007 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am moving back to the Metroplex
Believe it or not, there is a lot of cultural difference b/w Dallas and Ft. Worth. Dallas is oil money and Ft. Worth is cattle money.
If my wife wasn't taking a job with Keller schools, I'd rather live in Arlington again. That's where I went to junior high and high school.
by WhipSmart on Jun 12, 2007 2:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You got it wrong.
by isaacbrock on Jun 12, 2007 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
money
by rentz on Jun 12, 2007 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not originally
by WhipSmart on Jun 12, 2007 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando > DFW
by thedirkatron on Jun 12, 2007 2:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Materialism
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 12, 2007 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Plano, is, on the other hand
by DJCahill on Jun 12, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
back in the day
by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suicide
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 12, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by rentz on Jun 12, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are plenty of
But since you gave an anecdote, here's mine: I went to a private school (in Dallas). My family, by no means, is rich, but most of the kids I went to school with were rolling in it. No heroin problems. :o) Actually, my anecdote isn't very good. Sorry. :o(
by Hubris on Jun 12, 2007 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i demand a better anecdote!
by rentz on Jun 12, 2007 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
by RCCook on Jun 12, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Mark Tuinei
by DJCahill on Jun 12, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those were the days
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 12, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Education
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 12, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diversity
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 12, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My 2 cents
I would highly suggest one of the newer developing areas (Allen, Frisco, McKinney, Little Elm, etc.). I live in McKinney and it is exploding around us. There is things going up everywhere. While that is somewhat of a distraction at times it is progressing into a nice city life.
I spent close to 20 years in Arlington, Addision for about 2 years, and have also lived in Dallas proper for about another 5. There is a ton of young families in my neighborhood in McKinney, and from what I can tell that is the majority of the makeup of the people around here. I don't see quite as much of the quasi-LA materialistic ways I did in Addison, Uptown, etc.
I can suggest a great realtor I used. He was an older man, and wasn't out to make his 250K real estate W2. He really gave some great advice, and even turned down some money for referring me to where I lived and put it back into the cost of the home.
I think a lot will depend on where you end up finding a new job. If you work downtown McKinney, Frisco, etc. can be a beatdown for the drive.
Specific areas I would look at - just as far as homes, value, etc. would be West Frisco, South McKinney, Allen, West Little Elm, North Plano, etc.
I hope you find what you are looking for.
by Mike Simonek on Jun 12, 2007 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
McKinney and little elm from what i've seen give you the biggest bang for your buck. but little elm will be a pain until the tollway is done
by rentz on Jun 12, 2007 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
by isaacbrock on Jun 12, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
whats funny is a 3br-4br house in dallas proper can cost 120k and it wont even be in a great area.
little elm and mckinney you can get 4br houses for about 130k
by rentz on Jun 12, 2007 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rentz
by Mike Simonek on Jun 12, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
129k for a 2600 sq ft house
That's a down payment on either coast...
by Brian Thomas on Jun 12, 2007 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.....
by bdavison94 on Jun 13, 2007 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Little Elm
by Chris Martin on Jun 13, 2007 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mckinney
by Brian Thomas on Jun 12, 2007 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF YOU CAN PUT UP WITH THE HUMIDITY...
as someone who's lived here their entire life (26 years)... i can proudly say that there's a lot to like about this area. the cost of living is a lot cheaper, no doubt... several communities are growing at unbelievable rates... there's a lot of cultural diversity...
if you enjoy a swanky lifestyle, then uptown Dallas is where you want to be. there's fine dining and shopping... the arts district... it's all centrally located. that area has been booming the last few years, thanks in part to the American Airlines Center...
but, if you're more of a suburbanite, then you can't go wrong with Frisco. it's one of the fastest growing cities in America. personally i think it's being over-developed... it's gone from farmland to concrete, practically overnight... but, there's a lot to like about it too. RoughRiders baseball, FC Dallas soccer... many companies (JCPenneys, Frito-Lay, EDS) have based their headquarters up that way too... in Frisco, north Plano... so, depending on what your business is, you might not have to drive far to work... just another attractive aspect of that community...
Frisco isn't the only place though. Grapevine is a fantastic town. it's not as big as Frisco... it's close to DFW airport... it's right in the heart of the metroplex... so you're not too far from Dallas or Fort Worth. the downtown district is very old fashioned, and very well kept...
speaking of downtowns... Sundance Square in downtown Fort Worth is a hot-spot for nightlife. it's one of the cleanest downtowns you're likely to visit... and then right down the street, you have the Stockyards, which has it's roots in the Old West, but is still fun to check out every now and then for a little culture. lots of restaurants and bars to choose from... you'd do well to check it out if you haven't already... but, beware of the TCU college crowd. man, those kids are douche-bags...
other communities south of fort worth are expanding likewise... Burleson, the Mansfield area... most of these places are becoming more eclectic, and aren't as rural or rustic as they used to be.
and then you have Arlington... which you would think had already grown itself out... but, the entire city is getting a "facelift", so to speak, thanks in part to the Cowboys new stadium, and the Super Bowl... but Arlington has been, and always will be, entertainment central... Six Flags, Hurricane Harbor, the Dallas Cowboys, the Texas Rangers...
damn, i should sell real estate...
but, you'd be well-advised to know that it does get very hot here in the summer, late summer especially... you're pretty much screwed in august and september... there's no rain... not very many clouds... you literally break a sweat your first minute outside...
if you can put up with that, you'll do fine here.
first round's on me.
by oc on Jun 12, 2007 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point about Arlington
by cgolden on Jun 12, 2007 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good on ya getting out of Kalifornia
by Sharky on Jun 12, 2007 6:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because of
by DJCahill on Jun 12, 2007 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arlington for me..
From reading your post, it sounds like a different lifestyle for your little one is the primary motivating factor. That's why we chose Arlington. The neighborhood we live in is very well established, and has the best combination of schools anywhere in the city. It's quite, has lots of trees, and a very reasonable $/sq. ft. equation. The only real drawback for us is that there aren't as many young families as you see in Frisco, southeast Arlington, Keller, etc.
The final decision would depend on your priorities and lifestyle. I can be at TBIA or Bass Hall in about 15 minutes. Same for the FT. Worth Zoo. I bought 2300 ft. with a pool in a great neighborhood for about $175, and it's appreciated to about $215 in 5 years. Can't beat that.
Bottom line is that there are a number of nice options in the metroplex and, depending on what you want / need on a daily basis, you should have no trouble finding an area and neighborhood that would suit your needs....without going bankrupt. Now the electric bills from running your pool pump and A/C, that's another story...
by Red Shoe Fan on Jun 12, 2007 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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