Sammy hits 600

Cold.

Heart of ice.

by TexGoesYard on Jun 20, 2007 9:09 PM CDT 0 recs

and DFA wilkerson?

i agree!

by DSheppard on Jun 20, 2007 9:14 PM CDT 0 recs

Exactly

Mitt Romney should "get out his small-varmint gun and drive those Guatemalans off his lawn" -- Sen John McCain

by DJCahill on Jun 20, 2007 9:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

YES !!!

Get that whiffing machine Wilkerson out of here NOWWWWWW !!!!

GayRangerFan

by RangerDisaster on Jun 20, 2007 10:10 PM CDT up 0 recs

Well...

Sosa: 755 OPS
Wilk: 751 OPS

Wilk has struck out once every 3.7 plate appearances this season.

Sosa has struck out once every 3.7 plate appearances this season.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 20, 2007 10:15 PM CDT up 0 recs

Doesn't Wilk make more?

And injured more?

by Longhorn on Jun 20, 2007 10:15 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yes and yes

Not sure why his salary would impact whether or not you'd release him ahead of Sosa, though.

If anything, you'd want to hold Wilkerson a little longer, since if you could trade him to someone else in July, you'd save about $2 million versus releasing him.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 20, 2007 10:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

Neither is the future

But I think you could get a useful player for Sosa instead of just releasing him.

"The Summer of Suck"

by boomer1 on Jun 20, 2007 10:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

surely

in your wildest dreams you dont think that the Rangers would cut Sammy?

Not offering my opinion here on Sammy the player, just stating that Dean Palmer will make a comeback before the Rangers release Sosa.

Maybe we can make a deal at the deadline and get Oil Can Boyd in here!

by rkh on Jun 20, 2007 10:22 PM CDT up 0 recs

I agree

if we don't finding a trading partner for Sosa he'll probably be here all year. Unless of course he completely falls off the map.

"I'm an aggressive guy, I'm not a guy who's going to go up there and swing like a girl." - Sammy Sosa

by cgolden on Jun 21, 2007 7:04 AM CDT up 0 recs

I have no problem with that

so longas he's the righty side of strict lefty/righty platoon in LF with the Cat.

If he stays up all year clogging the DH spot... then I'ma get mad.

"The boxing scenes in 'Million Dollar Baby' were so realistic, I initially thought it was a documentary." -Brian Thomas.

by thedirkatron on Jun 21, 2007 9:14 AM CDT up 0 recs

he gone

at the first sign of someone offering a warm body, or maybe even "future considerations"

by mjh on Jun 21, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up 0 recs

Correction

After that double...

769 OPS for Wilk
755 OPS for Sosa

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 20, 2007 10:17 PM CDT up 0 recs

Another stat for you

Sosa: 53 rbi
Whiffy: 22rbi

by doolindalton on Jun 21, 2007 6:52 AM CDT up 0 recs

RBI's

The true measure of a player.

"The boxing scenes in 'Million Dollar Baby' were so realistic, I initially thought it was a documentary." -Brian Thomas.

by thedirkatron on Jun 21, 2007 9:15 AM CDT up 0 recs

that statheads completely dismiss the RBI stat, but you have to admit there's something to that. That's not completely luck. The guy does drive in a lot more runs. He, overall, has a lot better at bats when runners are on.

Chris Young/Adrian Gonzalez for Aki Otsuka, the new Sammy Sosa/Wilson Alvarez for Harold Baines

by badradiorules on Jun 21, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up 0 recs

Yes, he's hit pretty well with RISP, but

he's also had more chances for an RBI than Wilky and many others on the club. You can't use only a counting stat to judge a player. Wilkerson has only had 47 at bats with runners on, and Sosa has 121. He damn well better have more RBI than Wilkerson.

by t ball on Jun 21, 2007 12:01 PM CDT up 0 recs

Why?

His BA is slightly lower than Sosa's, his OBP is higher, and their SLG is about the same. At least Wilkerson adds a little value defensively with Teixeira out.

Sosa also strikes out more often than the guy you call the whiffing machine.

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 10:16 PM CDT up 0 recs

Damnit, Chris.

Quit ruining the illusion that everybody's favorite whipping boy is a vastly inferior player to Sosa. You're such a damned killjoy.

by Athos on Jun 20, 2007 10:46 PM CDT up 0 recs

Sorry

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

And to be clear

They both suck.

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

They both suck...

But Sosa was pulled off the scrap heap and Wilkerson is what we have to show for trading away one of the best players in the history of the game.

I know that is no fault of Wilk's, but it just hurts to turn ARod to Sori to Wilk.

by tricer on Jun 20, 2007 10:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

Don't forget Arias

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 11:01 PM CDT up 0 recs

thats the rangers for you

should have told him to stay and play OF or go to hell - its not like he can hold out (sori).

equally should have kept arod. plain and simple.

and look at the players on their own

wilkerson.

sosa.

dont look at wilkerson<--sori<--arod

dont look at alvarez/sosa-->baines-->etc-->sosa

look at them on their own.

by knockoutking24 on Jun 20, 2007 11:03 PM CDT up 0 recs

Sosa may strike out more but hes also hit..

600 Home Runs ..sluggers like that strike out a lot..simple as that..hes one of the top 5 sluggers EVER.. Wilk a slugger? thats laughable..he doesnt have many home runs and not many RBI's and sucks in the clutch..as well..
he PALES in comparison to the superstar we call SLAMMIN SAMMY !! GO SAMMY !!

GayRangerFan

by RangerDisaster on Jun 21, 2007 1:53 AM CDT up 0 recs

Sammy...

Steroids or not, washed up or not, Botts or not...

... That was a pretty neat moment!

by Topgun22 on Jun 20, 2007 9:16 PM CDT 0 recs

anyone else see

the guy in the bullpen (CJ i think) jumping up and down right before it hit chiti? LOL

by knockoutking24 on Jun 20, 2007 9:16 PM CDT 0 recs

as much as most of us hate him

personally and professionally (for blocking progress), that has to put a smile on your face.

i say he's got at least 2 weeks. if not, next time he has a real bad streak, he's gone.

Al Gore 2008 http://www.myspace.com/igotsculture

by gossamer on Jun 20, 2007 9:17 PM CDT 0 recs

They're not going to cut him.

They might trade him, but they won't cut him.

by Athos on Jun 20, 2007 9:18 PM CDT 0 recs

Just for fun

Piniella should ask the umpires to check the bat.

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 9:19 PM CDT 0 recs

oh my

sammy jr. looks exactly like sammy...

by Longhorn on Jun 20, 2007 9:19 PM CDT 0 recs

No doubt

"The Summer of Suck"

by boomer1 on Jun 20, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yeah

He isnt going anywhere.

by TexGoesYard on Jun 20, 2007 9:19 PM CDT 0 recs

Hello Mrs. Sosa

by cmkelly29 on Jun 20, 2007 9:20 PM CDT 0 recs

Go Sammy!

Now let's trade him :)

sportsdeals.blogspot.com

by BudLight on Jun 20, 2007 9:21 PM CDT 0 recs

Still nothing on ESPN.com about it

hmm

by cmkelly29 on Jun 20, 2007 9:22 PM CDT 0 recs

here

http://espn.go.com/

by Longhorn on Jun 20, 2007 9:29 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yep

I know it's up now.

by cmkelly29 on Jun 20, 2007 9:29 PM CDT up 0 recs

More important thing from tonight's game

Loe is doing alright again.

by t ball on Jun 20, 2007 9:31 PM CDT 0 recs

Wow

Sammy has the 2nd fewest ABs to get to 600 HRs. Only Ruth got to 600 faster.

by Longhorn on Jun 20, 2007 9:33 PM CDT 0 recs

4 straight 50 home run seasons

(3 of which are 60 home run seasons) will do that for you.

what stopped bonds from doing that was the fact that he was initially a leadoff speedster guy getting 19-22 homers a season...but since 1992 he has been a god.

Al Gore 2008 http://www.myspace.com/igotsculture

by gossamer on Jun 20, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up 0 recs

that record

and all others(home run related) will soon be AROD's.

Maybe we can make a deal at the deadline and get Oil Can Boyd in here!

by rkh on Jun 20, 2007 9:37 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yep.

I doubt he'll break the single season record, but the career record will be his for sure.

by Athos on Jun 20, 2007 9:38 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yep

"The Summer of Suck"

by boomer1 on Jun 20, 2007 9:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

yeah

a rod will probably end up being the best player since willie mays. pujols would be up there if he were a little better defensively.

i can see a rod being up there with musial, williams, dimaggio, gehreg, ruth, mays, wagner, horsby, cobb, lajoie, anson, speaker and tettleton

Al Gore 2008 http://www.myspace.com/igotsculture

by gossamer on Jun 20, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up 0 recs

LOL

Putting Cap Anson in that group was funny. Well done.

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 9:41 PM CDT up 0 recs

I wish they would call up this Botts character

so that he can suck, be good, or do whatever it is that makes you guys beg for his arrival.

by Ranger914 on Jun 20, 2007 9:46 PM CDT 0 recs

I was more amused

by Tettleton.

sportsdeals.blogspot.com

by BudLight on Jun 20, 2007 9:47 PM CDT 0 recs

Sammy Hate Turns one Web Poster away

I have not posted in a while mostly becuase I have been too busy. However, I have not posted as well becuase of the Hate from Adam with regards to Sosa.

This Rangers season has been a total disaster and it is hard watching game after game. However, I have at least caught most games (even if only for a few innings) and honestly I care to see Sammy play. I wanted to see HR 600. I wanted to see it at home and wanted to see the smile on his face.

Yes, yes I want to see young players I want to see the future, I want to see and be given a reason to think the future is bright but you know what I also want to be given a reason to watch right now. Sammy gives us that reason. He is making history. He is only the 5th player every to hit 600. Yeah, he probably used the juice but then again so did many players of his generation. Does not make it right but it is what it is...but he is still making history and makes watching enjoyable.

I have been completely turned off of this site by the Posts and comments by Adam in regards to Sosa. no, he is not our future but he is on this team and I support him 100%. Daniels and Hicks picked him for the team and if you support at least Daniels (as I do) then you support this decision. Also I hate hearing the "we should see what Botts can do" argument. Granted the guy has not had much chance to prove himself at this level but if Management (i.e. Daniels and others in the Minor league level that would help Daniels evaulate Botts) were high on his ability he would be here. He is not and I don't think the reaason is 100% becuase Sosa is here for publicity reasons. I think partly becuase some think Botts can't get it done here and honestly I trust the judgement of the scouts and Daniels much mroe than I do of Adam.

This is a rant no doubt and this site is very popular entirely becuase of the hard work and long hours put in by Adam and others but the Hate on Sammy (a current player) has turned at least one person off of this site.

by simbaa on Jun 20, 2007 10:06 PM CDT 0 recs

Keep the Sammy hate

With the love fest going on almost everywhere else regarding Sammy it's nice to see at least one place where he is called out for being what he is and that's a below average baseball player.

Oh, and he's a scumbag too but nobody seems to care about that since his jersey says Rangers across the chest.

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 10:12 PM CDT up 0 recs

he's a scumbag?

how?

by Longhorn on Jun 20, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up 0 recs

elaborate

on "scumbag" for those of us who are unaware.

Maybe we can make a deal at the deadline and get Oil Can Boyd in here!

by rkh on Jun 20, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up 0 recs

Scumbag

He's a blatant cheater and fraud. The corked bat and the "me no speak the English" show he put on in front of Congress are what make him a scumbag in my opinion. I have a strong suspicion that many here would share that opinion if he played for the Angels.

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 10:22 PM CDT up 0 recs

rooting for the jersey

is what sports fans do.

see..........TO, Charles Haley, Deion, etc with Cowboys. Mike Irvin was a scumbag, but he was our scumbag, dammit.

Maybe we can make a deal at the deadline and get Oil Can Boyd in here!

by rkh on Jun 20, 2007 10:24 PM CDT up 0 recs

Rooting for the jersey

To me, that is different than rooting for the player in the jersey.

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 10:29 PM CDT up 0 recs

Word.

And screw Owens.

by Athos on Jun 20, 2007 10:49 PM CDT up 0 recs

nah.

by Longhorn on Jun 20, 2007 10:25 PM CDT up 0 recs

so..........

you only root for players who meet your moral standards.

as if you even know what these players do when your not looking.

since you dont know them personally, how do you know who is worthy of rooting for?

Maybe we can make a deal at the deadline and get Oil Can Boyd in here!

by rkh on Jun 20, 2007 10:30 PM CDT up 0 recs

Gaylord Perry = scumbag

He was a known cheater.

"The Summer of Suck"

by boomer1 on Jun 20, 2007 10:26 PM CDT up 0 recs

Correct

And all the people bellowing to keep guys like Bonds and McGwire out of the Hall of Fame need to look at guys like Perry.

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 10:31 PM CDT up 0 recs

for others

out of curiosity do you feel the same towards McGwire, Palmeiro, etc.

If you do great just curios

by simbaa on Jun 20, 2007 10:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

Pretty much

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 10:30 PM CDT up 0 recs

some of your favorite players are scumbags then

i guarentee players you liked and still like from the 90s were steroid abusers.

just because sosa hit 600 homeruns doesnt make him more of a cheater then the steroid abuser who hit 10 and was out of baseball in 5 years.

baseball turned its back on steroids, i cant blame all those players. I look up to the ones that didnt do it, but baseball was letting it go by... its just a tainted era, but calling everyone from it a scumbag is unreasonable.

by DSheppard on Jun 20, 2007 10:30 PM CDT up 0 recs

Favorite players

That's the thing. I really don't have any and I haven't since I was a kid. I view players as commodities. To be honest, I don't really care that Sosa is a scumbag as much as I do that he isn't a good player anymore. I mainly posted this stuff to point out the hypocrisy of most fans.

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 10:34 PM CDT up 0 recs

Do you want Botts instead of Sosa

Botts in 77 AB (not much granted has this)

AvG: .247
OBP: .333
SLG: .338
Ops+ : 77

Sosa this year:

AVg: .241
OBP: .298
SLG: .338
OPS+: 92

Heck, give me Sosa. I hope Botts is good, the Rangers need it...but honestly I like I said before I trust the Scouts and Daniels before I trust others.

by simbaa on Jun 20, 2007 10:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

Scouts and Daniels

Aren't they the guys who put together the worst team in baseball this year?

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 10:49 PM CDT up 0 recs

Ouch.

Talk about slamming the door on a debate ....

by Athos on Jun 20, 2007 10:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

you are right

but then again if you have such crappy pitching coaches as Mark Conners what do you expect...yes that is also Daniels fault.....maybe Daniels should go by that theory.

However, and I hope for the best..but in the end if Botts were any good he would be in the Majors...Teams don't keep good players in the Minors..heck usually they promote them too fast....Sosa keep it going and make Adam post about 20 more comments about how you should be gone.

by simbaa on Jun 20, 2007 10:53 PM CDT up 0 recs

Conner

I don't really fault him for this year. The bullpen is still pretty good and I think that Loe, Tejeda, and McCarthy have been about what should be expected. They are young guys with talent how have been inconsistent. That happens. Millwood has been bad but he's also been hurt. I think the only guy that has not lived up to expectations and doesn't really have an excuse for it is Padilla but he's such a nutcase I can't really blame Conner for that either.

Milk, milk, lemonade, around the corner fudge is made.

by Chris Martin on Jun 20, 2007 11:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

Chris you are on to something..however

why is that it took Loe going to the Minor for what 4 days and just TALKINg with Andy Hawkins and getting fixed....explain that...coincendence...mayber...

by simbaa on Jun 20, 2007 11:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

Two good starts...

doesn't really mean he's fixed.

by chase1971 on Jun 21, 2007 12:39 AM CDT up 0 recs

funny

at some point in the season it will be

"10 good starts doesn't mean he's fixed"

Forget Johnny Bench, we got Gerry "the Jet" Laird

by ab03 on Jun 21, 2007 9:10 AM CDT up 0 recs

Exactly !!

there were tons of players doing them back then so I guess they're all scumbags..LOL..Sammys on par to hit close to 30 homers and drive in 120 runs.. hitting 360 with runners in scoring position ..steriod free..give the man a break !
Who else could do better? Botts? The man couldnt catch a ball if his life depended on it..thats why hes labeled a DH only candidate..thats sad and limiting..what the hell has he been doing in the minors all these years? hasnt learned to catch a damn ball yet.. why bother !

GayRangerFan

by RangerDisaster on Jun 20, 2007 10:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yes

Botts could do better than Sosa has done this year. Sosa has a 755 OPS and an OBP barely above .300.

If Botts can't do better than that, then the Rangers should put him on waivers, because he's a waste of a 40 man roster spot.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 20, 2007 10:41 PM CDT up 0 recs

I agree

But Adam at the end of the day the Scouts see something they don't like (at least I believe or he would be here) and I think that is That Botts can't play in the Majors. Heck he is fine for the Minors...we need guys to fill the ranks unless we have better replacements or hot prospects in his place so fine keep him there.

by simbaa on Jun 20, 2007 10:46 PM CDT up 0 recs

Sammy is knocking in a LOT of runs..and doing an .

amazing job with runners in scoring position and even better with 2 strikes with runners in scoring position.. I think maybe all these OBP and OBS..may be well ..Oh B.S.lets not be guilty of being overly technical with the stats .. the bottom line is you want someone who knocks in runs..thats exactly what Sammys role is and hes done that exceedingly well.and he can catch a ball too..imagine that !!.. Botts will not hit no 360 with runners in scoring position..period ! Theres a VERY thick line between triple A and the Majors or he'd of been here already.. look at Nellie ..knocking the cover off the ball but sucking like mad up here...happens all the time.

GayRangerFan

by RangerDisaster on Jun 20, 2007 11:05 PM CDT up 0 recs

Sosa

He's played 16 games in the outfield this season.

He's been a DH who occasionally plays in right.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 20, 2007 11:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

no there isnt a VERY thick line

look at how long a lot of AAAA guys have stayed around

look at guys in the past who have been seen as quad A players but have had it "click" -- guys like GMJ

theres a ton of guys who hang around forever shuttling btwn AAA and the majors

botts SHOULD have been called up before. end of story - to say anything else is foolish. to say that the scouts "didtn see what they liked" owuld mean that they should have released/traded him before now.

he needs to be in the majors. end of story.

by knockoutking24 on Jun 20, 2007 11:08 PM CDT up 0 recs

I disagree

I think the scouts and GM (daniels and Hart before) hoped Botts would progress further and and least display that he should be up here...but in the end the there is a Thick LINE and he has not even measured up enough to warrant a look.

by simbaa on Jun 20, 2007 11:10 PM CDT up 0 recs