Buster Olney on Ranger trade stuff

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 23, 2007 12:45 PM CDT in News

Buster Olney has a chat session going right now...

Some Ranger highlights...

Dan (Boston): Hey Buster, I heard the Sox are showcasing Lester tonight and maybe looking to trade him for Tex. Any truth?

Buster Olney: (1:06 PM ET ) Dan: No, don't think so. I think they're just trying to upgrade the rotation -- although am hearing today that the asking price for Teixeira is dropping; the perception of a couple of rival executives is that the Rangers are intent on making the best deal and moving on (think Padres, Sheffield, 1993...)

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Matt, Philly: If what you're saying is true about Texeira, wouldn't the Yankees stand a pretty good chance in swinging that deal? Assuming they're interested (they must be). I mean, they've got a lot of secon-tier prospects having great years surrounded by hype (Alan Horne, Jeff Marquez, Chase Wright). You think you could just throw a lot of B-level pitching at the Rangers and it'll stick?

Buster Olney: (1:15 PM ET ) Matt: -- Yankees have been told they must include either Hughes or Chamberlain in any Teixeira deal, and that won't happen.

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Dan (NY): So basically Buster, if what you say is true...it will cost the Yankees a top prospect for Tex, but for other teams, it will come down to the best offer on the table?

Buster Olney: (1:26 PM ET ) Dan: I wish I could give you a better answer about how the price for Teixeira is going down, but that's what some execs are saying; the last word I got on the Yankees/Rangers talks, however, was that Texas was saying that either Chamberlain or Hughes would have to be involved. That could change, of course... GMs are talking a ton these days. Remember how last year, the Phillies kept saying, no, no, no on Abreu to the Yankees, and then at the last second, they capitulated, in order to dump him. That's the most important development in the Teixeira thing, at this point -- the perception is that the Rangers seem intent on cutting and running, making their best deal possible and moving on. He makes sense for Atlanta, in particular.

Bleah.

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Buster

should read the article by Lebreton.

One picture is worth 1,000 denials.

by nirvana on Jul 23, 2007 12:39 PM CDT reply actions

And this guy is a respected journalist???

by Taylor on Jul 23, 2007 12:44 PM CDT reply actions

If this was

Keith Law, then I would be a little worried, but this is Buster, Buster freaking Olney. The guy who thinks Sammy Sosa is the best thing that's happend to the Rangers this year...

by Longhorn on Jul 23, 2007 12:44 PM CDT reply actions

Buster Olney

only cares about how good players can get to New York.

The Rangers could get Loney and Billingsly + two other guys from LA, and Olney would be saying that we settled for that because the Yankees refused to part with Ian Kennedy...

by JBImaknee on Jul 23, 2007 12:53 PM CDT reply actions

Jeezus

This pisses me off to no end. So we're unreasonable for not wanting to accept a bag full of mediocrity from the Yankees? Buster Olney is a dolt, plain and simple.

I really think Tex and a reliever not named Gagne will go to Hotlanta for Salty + 2 or 3 young prospects (hopefully Neftali Feliz and Kala Kaaihue are in the mix... they both get my prospect pants pretty excited).

Gas, brake, honk. Gas, brake, honk. Honk, honk, punch. Gas, gas, gas.

by thedirkatron on Jul 23, 2007 1:00 PM CDT reply actions

Olney..

he is talking out of his ass on this. I bet he has no idea who is offering what.

by bflood36 on Jul 23, 2007 1:15 PM CDT reply actions

Negative.

"That's the most important development in the Teixeira thing, at this point -- the perception is that the Rangers seem intent on cutting and running, making their best deal possible and moving on." who's perception? Buster's?? Are you kidding me???

We will not cut bait with Tex for a few B-level prospects just to be rid of him. Sure he wants out, but he's not getting out until he's fulfilled the terms of his current obligation or until somebody offers fair market value for a 35+ HR, 110+ RBI machine that plays gold glove defense. Other than his attitude, he's a perfect 1st baseman...

minimum I expect in return is a legit pitching prospect + a major league ready outfield prospect

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 23, 2007 1:16 PM CDT reply actions

so infact it does look like were gonna trade tex

ive been back and forth about this. at first i was all for it then i wanted to keep him if nothing blew us away, if were not blown away this year when he has a year and a half left on his contract doesnt make sense where the offer would get better next at the trading deadline, im starting to think that the angles have the best mix of prospects to put a package together. if it were me id start off on saying that it all starts with getting kotchman back, if were trading a 1st baseman we need to get one back, then id push really hard for somebody like adenhardt. if they said yes to that i would say in a heatbeat. but i would put up the fight that trading within the divison should involve another low level prospect, if the balked at that then i would def do tex for kotch and adenhardt and i think we should all agree with that

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 23, 2007 1:19 PM CDT reply actions

We

don't need a first baseman back. We need the best package of talent back.

by BHill on Jul 23, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions

misunderstood

if were dealing with the angels, we have to get kotchman back, i think thats what i said, if not that swhat i meant to say

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 23, 2007 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions

What if

The Angels offered Kendry Morales and two or three good prospects?

Time does funny things. The worst of which is, it keeps moving when you don't.

by Ed Coffin on Jul 23, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions

haha you got me there

id think really hard, but if I was the gm i start with kotchman and i think the angels know that, but thats a pretty good offer depending on who the prospects are...good comment Ed Coffin

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 23, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions

It would depend entirely

on who the "good prospects" were, cause Morales sucks. .244/.292/.467 as a 1b/DH? No thanks. We already have Victor Diaz/Sammy Sosa for that.

But if the three prospects are Adenhart, Conger and Jung then I'm happy.

Gas, brake, honk. Gas, brake, honk. Honk, honk, punch. Gas, gas, gas.

by thedirkatron on Jul 23, 2007 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions

trade

I don't really think olney is tapped in enough to really know anything other than what gm's want to to know and report.
That said... if JD really does just cut bait with teix for some b level guys, then I am done defending the guy.

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jul 23, 2007 1:20 PM CDT reply actions

If we can't get a top prospect

or a good package in general, then there is no reason to trade him. I rather keep him for the remaining year and a half and take the two first round picks. Same goes for Gagne.

by slimshadty12 on Jul 23, 2007 1:23 PM CDT reply actions

word

Agree completely.

loves me some "loves me some"

by trza on Jul 23, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions

Looks like the Angels are getting in on this...

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/15829

If Angels GM Bill Stoneman has his way, perhaps long balls will not be as scarce down the stretch this season. Stoneman said that Saturday's trade of Jose Molina to the Yankees was small time compared with what he is trying to get done. Angels are once again pursuing the type of heavy hitter that has eluded them on the trade market. The Reds' Adam Dunn is the standout player in that category. Other big bats who have had trade rumors attached at some point include former Angel Troy Glaus, now with the Blue Jays, Texas' Mark Teixeira and the White Sox's Jermaine Dye. Kansas City's Reggie Sanders sits a notch below those players.

"Chip" first person on LSB to be berated by someone on the 25-man roster. - RangerMoto

by ortonius on Jul 23, 2007 1:23 PM CDT reply actions

Angels

For some reason my gut says they are more likely to want Glaus than Teixeira.

by t ball on Jul 23, 2007 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions

same

Kotchman is fine at first, third is a bigger weakness for the angels.
I wouldnt be surprised at all to see them get glaus and either dunn or dye.

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jul 23, 2007 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions

true

but if the angels want to go to another world series, thy have a better chance doing that with tex. i say that bc i think its true and i also say that bc i wouldnt mind having kotchman and some prospects

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 23, 2007 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Glaus

might be a bigger upgrade compare to Figgins than Teixeira is compared to Kotchman, that's why I tend to think they'd do that first. Plus then you're not sending good players to a division opponent.

by t ball on Jul 23, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions

glaus

when he's actually healthy he's a pretty nice bat to have at third... the problem is the guy seems to be hurt too often.
Also glaus will come much cheaper than teix and fills a bigger need so that's more likely.

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jul 23, 2007 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions

cheaper yes

but a chance to win a world series....who would you rather have tex or glaus. the national league is def weaker than the american league. i think whatever american team gets to the world series they will win it all. a chance at that, you give up a prospect who might not even turn into a major league player

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 23, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions

The American league

was much stronger last year, too.

How'd that work out for the Tiggers?

Gas, brake, honk. Gas, brake, honk. Honk, honk, punch. Gas, gas, gas.

by thedirkatron on Jul 23, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions

if u remember

the tigers lost last year mostly bc the ptichers made errors fielding the position. look at the cardinals this year,they suck

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 23, 2007 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh, I remember

But you made my point for me, which is: Shit happens.

To say that because one league is stronger, the team that comes out of the league will win the World Series is to deny that anything can happen in the World Series due to a short sample size and the added pressure.

If the Tigers and Cardinals had played a "best of 27", I don't think there's much doubt the Tiggers would've won. But when it only takes four wins, there's no sure thing.

Gas, brake, honk. Gas, brake, honk. Honk, honk, punch. Gas, gas, gas.

by thedirkatron on Jul 23, 2007 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions

I wouldn't mind seeing that

Glaus to Angels has several benefits.

Angels improving ups the ante in the AL race - Boston, Cleveland and Detroit will more likely feel like they have to make a move. Seattle as well.
Some good prospect leaves the AL West, and I'm not worried about Glaus long-term as a Ranger fan
Stoneman of all people actually trading will indicate that prospects aren't overvalued and maybe permit some of the looser GMs around (Atlanta, Philly) to make aggressive deals.

by JBImaknee on Jul 23, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Prediction

JD's going to deal one or both of Teixeira and Gagne, and he will get a significant package back.

(Think Rangers, Urbina, 2003.)

by hightowersmith on Jul 23, 2007 1:26 PM CDT reply actions

As nice of a package as that was...

Florida wouldn't take that back. Urbina helped the Marlins win the World Series. Teams realize what Gagne or Teixeira would do for their team heading towards the playoffs and in the playoffs. I can't see us trading either without getting a significant package in return.

by slimshadty12 on Jul 23, 2007 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions

that

wasa great deal...hopefully anything like that and we should be happy

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 23, 2007 1:29 PM CDT reply actions

"Reply to this"

The link is your friend.

by Athos on Jul 23, 2007 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions

all hail Athos...

King of Semantics.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 23, 2007 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't get it.

How does encouraging somebody to use the reply function make me the "King of Semantics?"

by Athos on Jul 23, 2007 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions

just that

reading comments is reading comments, whether they reply to them or start a new thread...maybe it's just not as hard for me to follow.

also I was in a bad mood yesterday, so I probably lashed out as a result. on a side note, being the King of Semantics can't be all that bad, can it?

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 24, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions

Having met Athos...

I would say that I probably wouldn't call him the "King of Semantics." Just judging from his size, I'd probably call him "sir."

by benmor78 on Jul 23, 2007 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions

I guess when you are

3'2", everyone looks pretty huge.

by DJCahill on Jul 23, 2007 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Well...

I didn't want to make eye contact because I was afraid he would snap my arms off, but at one point I watched him make coffee by grinding the beans with his teeth and boiling the water with his rage.

by benmor78 on Jul 23, 2007 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions

I just don't see

Daniels making a deal just for the sake of making one. I can see him making a deal we don't like because he thinks it will help the team, but I don't see him just dumping Teixeira.

by t ball on Jul 23, 2007 1:48 PM CDT reply actions

i think

kotchman and some pitching prospects isnt just dumping him,especially if its adenhardt

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 23, 2007 1:50 PM CDT reply actions

There's a big difference

between Kotchman + Adenhart and some 2nd-tier Yankee prospects, though. I think we'd all be thrilled to get Kotchman and Adenhart for Teixeira, but I don't think that's happening unless we throw in something else.

by rubbersoul103 on Jul 23, 2007 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Adenhart

Am I the only one who isn't thrilled with his numbers?

His hit rate is pedestrian and his K rate is bad. At best you can say he's young for the league and the numbers will improve...

Is that the general sentiment?

by hightowersmith on Jul 23, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions

but

if he was pitching lights out, he'd be on the untouchable list like Hughes and Joba on the Yanks.

by Coolbean04 on Jul 23, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Adenhart

His numbers are down a bit this year, but still solid for a 20 year old in AA, who had Tommy John surgery just 2 years ago (iirc). Supposedly his fastball sits in the 93-95 MPH range, and his curve and change are both plus pitches, according to Sickels. He seems like a projectable guy, 6'4" 195, who at the very least should be a solid contributor out of the pen. His ceiling is definitely higher though.

by rubbersoul103 on Jul 23, 2007 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions

You're not alone

I'm not as taken with Adenhart as some are, but he is young for his league, and the scouting reports all seem to say he's got a big arm.

I'd love to have him, but he's not an elite prospect, imo.

Gas, brake, honk. Gas, brake, honk. Honk, honk, punch. Gas, gas, gas.

by thedirkatron on Jul 23, 2007 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions

adenhart

while he may not be "elite" (which i consider that to be top 10-15 prospects) he is solid, and would step right into being the rangers top prospect.

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jul 23, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Top Prospect?

Better than Hurley?

by Topgun22 on Jul 23, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions

top prospect

just about every prospect list i've seen ranks him higher than hurley.

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jul 23, 2007 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Probably..

...in the same echelon as Hurley.

by Adam J. Morris on Jul 23, 2007 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions

yeah

i'd say they are in the same range prospect wise, but i'd rank hurley a little lower.

"Pimps be damned, it's harder out here for a Rangers fan!" "If you don't throw strikes first, you're last."

by rentz on Jul 23, 2007 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Suffice it to say

Having both Hurley and Adenhart in your rotation would be a good thing.

by t ball on Jul 23, 2007 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions

thats true ...

so throw in whiffy :)

0dds of being able to trade whiffy whifferson by Gil Lebreton "1000 to 1 - Good Luck Brother!"

by NYCMuscleFag on Jul 23, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Trading with Angels

Obviously that is risky. But, I think take the best deal you can get regardless of destination. Simple question though:

Would you trade Teix for Kotchman and Adenhart?
Would you trade Teix for Kotchman and E. Santana?
Which would you prefer?

by atlantaranger on Jul 23, 2007 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Santana

I'd take anybody named Santana...but definitely the more polished pitcher

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 23, 2007 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions

cut and run

What the hell? That makes no sense. I see no parallel between the Abreu sitch last year and the Teixeira situation this year.

loves me some "loves me some"

by trza on Jul 23, 2007 2:15 PM CDT reply actions

Connection

Yankees wanted Abreu

Yankees want Teixeira

Obviously they are the same. Geez, trza, open your eyes.

by JBImaknee on Jul 23, 2007 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions

kotchman and adenhart

santana is good at home, but away from home he looks like tejeda

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 23, 2007 2:16 PM CDT reply actions

FYI Adam

Evan Grant linked you over at the DMN Blog and kind of ripped Olney saying that every selling team's price comes down as the deadline approaches but that the Rangers aren't going to give Tex away. He also points out that in the 1993 Sheffield trade that Olney cites, the Padres got a guy named Trevor Hoffman in return.

Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Jul 23, 2007 2:38 PM CDT reply actions

I'm not too worried

Remember when some columnist said that Teix was a FA after this year? Or the one who said that Teix is a lefty? Half these people don't know what they're talking about (although I'm not including Olney in that generalization).

If JD doesn't get a good offer for Teix, then he's keeping him. There's zero reason for "cutting and running." Seriously - is there some overpowering reason why the Rangers "have" to trade Teix? I'm not aware of one. If it's simply to dump salary, then Hicks is an idiot.

Well Mr. Burns had done it. The power plant had won it. With Roger Clemens clucking all the while.

by WyoRanger on Jul 23, 2007 2:49 PM CDT reply actions

it's because

he would tremendously help out a team in need of power and defense that has a legitimate shot at getting to the big show...combined with the fact that he's a free agent after NEXT year and he's unhappy here. if it weren't so obvious that he wasn't going to re-sign here, half of the chatter wouldn't have happened. that mixture creates the "Texas HAS to trade Tex" atmosphere...but I'd be just as happy getting 2 picks as I would be trading him for 2 B-level prospects.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jul 23, 2007 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Yep

"Worth" varies in accord with what you need.

Time does funny things. The worst of which is, it keeps moving when you don't.

by Ed Coffin on Jul 23, 2007 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions

I agee

There really aren't any reasons why Texas "has" to trade Teix. Instead, there are reasons why some team needs to get Teix.

Well Mr. Burns had done it. The power plant had won it. With Roger Clemens clucking all the while.

by WyoRanger on Jul 23, 2007 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions

I still think Atlanta ends up with Tex

in a Salty/Brandon Jones/Jo-Jo Reyes combo.

I know Salty is very highly regarded, but Atlanta gets a ton better in the ST with this deal.

I don't think LA is that interested with Loney already. I don't think the Yankees are convinced they need him to catch Boston.

Boston would be my backup prediction if the Yankees keep gaining ground this week...perhaps a panic move to grab Tex in a Youk/Buchholz package.

by willamos2 on Jul 23, 2007 4:58 PM CDT reply actions

We share

similar thoughts.

"I really think Tex and a reliever not named Gagne will go to Hotlanta for Salty + 2 or 3 young prospects (hopefully Neftali Feliz and Kala Kaaihue are in the mix... they both get my prospect pants pretty excited)."

If we could get Salty/Reyes and some young prospects, I'd be pretty thrilled.

Gas, brake, honk. Gas, brake, honk. Honk, honk, punch. Gas, gas, gas.

by thedirkatron on Jul 23, 2007 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions