who should we trade tex to?

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 25, 2007 3:45 PM CDT Comment 53 comments

the question we've all be wondering. Who has the best package and will help us th emost in the future.

Let's look at the braves
Jo-Jo reyes, most likely a #3 or #4, could win between 10-15 games a year when pitching well and left-handed.
Salty could play either 1st or cathcer, hit somewhere between .280 to .300 and in our ballpark hit somewhere between 25 to 30 home runs.
Now Elvis Andrus, a guy who could be the next Jose Reyes or at worst i've heard he is a great utility guy(hopefully better than JHJ)

Now for the red sox
I think its pretty unlikely will get Buchholtz, so that leaves Jon lester. i think he will be better than Reyes. I think a staff with him and Mcarthy, Loe, and Hurley could be prety nice.
Now this is where the red sox could definitly get Tex if they wanted to. I doubt we could get both Lester and Ellsbury, but if we did i say lets pull the trigger.
Some players I'd be intrigued with our brandon Moss, guys like Gabbard, and Bowden. I was looking at their lower level gusy like Daniel Bard and Bubba Bell, his numbers are pretty impressive but obviously we would want some major league ready players...let me know your thoughts and who could package the best deal together and who you think eventually will

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dodgers

id still prefer a package around loney, but lester would be really nice as well

rage against the gold club

by erikj07 on Jul 25, 2007 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I like Will Carrol's take on

a trade with ATL.

No.

I'd say try and do a trade with the Sox or do nothing.

One picture is worth 1,000 denials.

by nirvana on Jul 25, 2007 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

why...

just the sox if you get a fair offer from the dodgers, angels, or braves? Are you just saying that you dont think we will get acceptable offers, so therefore we shouldnt do a deal?

rage against the gold club

by erikj07 on Jul 25, 2007 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think we shoudl take offers from any team

the dodgers have some really good young players, just because we dont do a deal with them doesnt mean we should'nt listen to any other team, but out of all the teams i am hoping we do a deal with boston, bc if we do were gonna either lester or buchholtz

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 25, 2007 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We read it differently

He seemed to think the package was good, but that we weren't getting enough pitching.

I tend to think we should accept the best package, not the package with the best pitching.

If the best package is from the Braves and it's a little light on pitching, then so be it.

Gas, brake, honk. Gas, brake, honk. Honk, honk, punch. Gas, gas, gas.

by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

best talent trumps positional needs. You build a system and a team by taking the best players available in the draft and when trading for prospects. You can always find a place for a great player, and having too much talent at any one position is always a good problem to have.

Mark Connor just shows up to the ballpark to collect a paycheck.

by jshcmp on Jul 25, 2007 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

to just accept the

best package that is avail to us is bad. we should just hold on to tex if JD doesn't get what he wants...

by Longhorn on Jul 25, 2007 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, yah

But that's not what I meant. Of course we shouldn't accpet the best package if it's not good enough for a player of Tex's caliber.

Anyone saying that is retarded.

I'm saying don't turn down a good offer just because it doesn't have stud pitching in it.

Gas, brake, honk. Gas, brake, honk. Honk, honk, punch. Gas, gas, gas.

by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2007 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

besides be a lefty

i dont really like reyes that much, id much rather have lester

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 25, 2007 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Reyes

Yeah, looking at his scouting report and numbers this year, he looks like a fat, left-handed version of Edison Volquez. Good prospect, but we already have a half-dozen other pitchers I like just as much, if not better.

If we're getting a pitching prospect in a Tex deal, I want someone like Lester, Billingsley, Buchholz, or Adenhart- a guy that could give Hurley a run as our top pitching prospect.

Andrus' numbers this year don't excite me a lot either (650 OPS in high-A) but he is very toolsy, young for his league, and playing in one of the best pitchers' parks in the minors. So I could probably be sold on him.

"Then I met some friends for a beer, went to a BoDeans's concert, and son of a vondruke, if I didn't leave him at the concert hall."

by RCCook on Jul 25, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Rangers all ready traded for that Andrus.

See Arias.

People rarely live up to their baby pictures.

by rooster on Jul 25, 2007 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well that could be true

i think arias would have been better off if he didnt get hurt so much, but you could be right

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 25, 2007 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Andrus

That's my concern about him as well- that he's another Arias.

"Then I met some friends for a beer, went to a BoDeans's concert, and son of a vondruke, if I didn't leave him at the concert hall."

by RCCook on Jul 25, 2007 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe

but I don't think Arias was ever considered to be as athletic and tools as Andrus. I worry less about his numbers this year given the league and his age. I don't think he'll be Jose Reyes, but I do think he will be better than Arias.

by Brandon Wilson on Jul 25, 2007 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Totally

second RC to the extent that we trade ONLY for PITCHING, and the quality of pitchers he named.
Lester (can Boston give him up now?), Kershaw (I can dream), Hughes...just somebody that gives us some REAL pitching hope.

Hit me in the eye...maybe I can see better.

by Clueless on Jul 25, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, both those

scare me. ATL has some piss poor prospects. I would not want to wait for 5-6 years on any player we get in a trade for Tex.

by Longhorn on Jul 25, 2007 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

BOSTON!!!!

I'd do Teix for Lester, Pena, and low-level prospect

Duncan Hunter for President in '08

by dstar442005 on Jul 25, 2007 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

you think we coudl get

lester, brandon moss, and a low level prospect

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 25, 2007 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ms

I know it won't happen but my sweetheart deal has Teix for Adam Jones and either Balentein or Feierabend

by bushe on Jul 25, 2007 4:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

adam jones

is a stud...you talk about a guy who can play centerfield and hit 3 hole...

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 25, 2007 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You should add a poll

Lick by lick, mountains erode

by RangerMoto on Jul 25, 2007 4:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

saw where we asked boston

for ellsbury and buchholtz...if were coming down a bit with what were asking and boston is one of the teams that could land him does that mean that there is any chance that we could get lester and ellsbury?

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 25, 2007 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

To the

Atlanta Falcons. I think he could play QB for them.

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Jul 25, 2007 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I lean toward keeping him

I'd be ok with trading him if we get back Lester, Hughes, or another good, young pitcher, but otherwise, I'd prefer not to trade him.

loves me some "loves me some"

by trza on Jul 25, 2007 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

between....

buckholtz and lester, who is supposed to have the highter ceiling as a prospect. Comparing these two plus ellsbury, who is the highest rated prospect.

rage against the gold club

by erikj07 on Jul 25, 2007 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Buchholz/Lester

I'm not actually sure- they're both very highly regarded- though with Buchholz, the health questions aren't there as much, plus he's a Texan.

I'd be pretty happy with either, plus Ellsbury, though I might try to expand the deal, with us giving up a bullpen arm, and Boston throwing in another B prospect.

Lester & Ellsbury would be an ironic return, given that the Rangers could (no, should) have had the former in the aborted A-Rod to Boston deal, and could have drafted the latter (which I wanted them to do) instead of Mayberry in 2005.

"Then I met some friends for a beer, went to a BoDeans's concert, and son of a vondruke, if I didn't leave him at the concert hall."

by RCCook on Jul 25, 2007 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha that is pretty ironic

i didnt know that...i remember people saying we should have taken ellsbury instead of mayberry...and alot fo people saying thats why we took borbon this year

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 25, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Buchholz has the higher ceiling

and it's not really all that close. Lester is a fine prospect, but Buchholz is likely a top 10 overall prospect in the off season and possible ace.

From Kevin Goldtein's "Topp 100 Stock Check" article on BP a few weeks ago:

41. Clay Buchholz, RHP, Red Sox, 22
Eligible Next Year? Most likely
Stock Movement Since Ranking: Up, like crazy up

The jump in stuff that we saw at the end of last year became permanent, as Buchholz blossomed from "just" one of the better righty pitching prospects around to arguably the best after posting a 1.77 ERA in 86.2 innings for Double-A Portland, boosted by 116 strikeouts and just 55 hits allowed.

Gas, brake, honk. Gas, brake, honk. Honk, honk, punch. Gas, gas, gas.

by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2007 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

probably

buchholtz, then lester, the ellsbury...i dont see us doing anything without having to take lowell, since if they got tex they would have to move youk to 3rd. so is lowell, lester, ellsbury for tex and mahay asking for to much?

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 25, 2007 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

is

getting youk as tex's replacement out of the question?

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by erikj07 on Jul 25, 2007 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think so

if their is anyone boston values the most, it's probably jonathan papelbon and then youkilis

by Lonerangers on Jul 25, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

eh...

thats dissapointing

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by erikj07 on Jul 25, 2007 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

I think the thought process behind Boston trading for Tex would be putting Tex at 1b and moving Youk back to 3b, his natural position.

Gas, brake, honk. Gas, brake, honk. Honk, honk, punch. Gas, gas, gas.

by thedirkatron on Jul 25, 2007 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah...

everyone keeps saying we would need to take lowell but so that they can do that but i dont see how we have any place at all for lowell with blalock on his way back. Whats lowells contract status?

rage against the gold club

by erikj07 on Jul 25, 2007 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

free agent

after this year thats why we could take him, let him go after this year and get some pick sor trade him to another team, the only way i see this happening w/o getting lowell is if a 3rd team is involved

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 25, 2007 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lowell at 3rd

blalock at 1st.

vice versa.

by Longhorn on Jul 25, 2007 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd give them

Tex, Mahay and a "B" prospect (i.e. Volquez, Tug Hulett, Brandon Boggs, etc...) for Lester and Ellsbury alone and if they want to throw in Lowell, then we'll take him.

I'd basically ask what they'd want for Lester and Ellsbury and consider whatever they wanted...within reason.

"Chip" first person on LSB to be berated by someone on the 25-man roster. - RangerMoto

by ortonius on Jul 25, 2007 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hell yes

thats thinking right there...id rather give up somebody like brandon boggs than volquez, just because were getting ellsbury so we dont need a CF. i would do lester, ellsbury and lowell for tex, mahay, and brandon boggs or volquez.

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 25, 2007 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whoa....

I might throw in a reliever there if it had to happen, but I'd hold off on us giving up anyone else. If JD comes down from Bucholtz/Ellsbury for Tex to Lester/Ellsbury for Tex+2 other guys, then JD isn't doing his job very well.

The only people I would throw in a low-level prospect to get would be a player with legitimate future ACE potential - and I don't think Lester is that.

I think in the end, Teixeira for Lester/Ellsbury will be the deal. If Mahay is tossed in, they'll have to package someone low to come back.

by JBImaknee on Jul 25, 2007 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what this team needs

is for us to make a trade that can fill center and one slot in the rotation. If teams trade away their top prospect for a half a year for players during the deadline, why wouldnt they give up two for a year and a half? Jd isnt asking for more then we deserve and somebody's is going to want and need him. Point blank, a team will give up two highly touted prospects to have him.

by NYTXFAN on Jul 25, 2007 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

if we get ellsbury and lester

that would be good...great. with ellsbury in CF, byrd in LF and cruz RF.blalock at 3rd young SS kinsler 2nd either wilky or maybe gold ffrom tirple-a..with a rotation of millwood, mccarthy, lester, loe, hurley...not great but def on the way up

by weslyenkid01 on Jul 25, 2007 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hope that Dunn gets traded

because signing him to play 1st with the rest of that team would make for a very solid lineup.

Outfield:
Byrd/Ellsbury/(Cruz/Diaz)

Infield:
Blalock/Young/Kinsler/Dunn

Laird at Catcher

Cat / Wilky as DH / extra OFers

by JBImaknee on Jul 25, 2007 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ooops

I forgot Botts.

Screw Wilkerson...

DH: Botts

by JBImaknee on Jul 25, 2007 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You mean

Botts as DH. :]

by hiafex on Jul 25, 2007 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, I was reading the other comments

And didn't see your revision.

by hiafex on Jul 25, 2007 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Evan Grant

thinks this is deal that should be done soon...

"# Teixeira and Joaquin Benoit to the Dodgers:
Everybody would love to tap into the Dodgers cornucopia of young talent and since the Rangers have the biggest impact bat available in Teixeira, they ought to be the best candidates to do it. The Rangers would want James Loney to headline the deal and Loney hasn't given the Dodgers much reason to trade him. But Teixeira is proven 35-homer, 110-RBI guy who would be under contract for next year. Benoit has come into his own as an upper echelon middle or setup guy. He too would be under L.A.'s control through 2008. The price: Why a mere, Loney, LHP Clayton Kershaw and an athletic outfielder. If the Dodgers won't part with Andre Ethier in that deal, how about minor leaguer Delwyn Young?"

by Longhorn on Jul 25, 2007 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs