Friday morning Teixeira watch
So, I'm thinking it will be all-Teixeira, all the time for the next 4 days and 6 hours (the deadline is 3 p.m. our time on Tuesday), as the rumors keep flying and teams start getting serious about the Teixeira situation...
Ken Rosenthal has an update on the bidding:
The Braves, major-league sources say, have made the Rangers a whopper of an offer for first baseman Mark Teixeira.
The Rangers evidently would receive three highly regarded young players -- catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Class AA left-hander Matt Harrison and Class A shortstop Elvis Andrus -- while sending the Braves only Teixeira.
At a time when teams are reluctant to trade inexpensive prospects for high-priced veterans, such a deal would be a coup for Rangers general manager Jon Daniels.
If he can beat the Braves' 3-for-1 proposal, more power to him.
The Dodgers, facing injury concerns in their starting rotation, are likely to focus solely on pitching.
The Angels have submitted a substantial two-player offer for Teixeira, according to an industry source, but are reluctant to go further.
First baseman Casey Kotchman almost certainly is part of the Angels' proposal. The other player likely is a pitcher, possibly Class AAA right-hander Ervin Santana.
Kotchman and Santana are more established than any of the players the Braves are offering. However, Kotchman's upside might not be as high as the switch-hitting Saltalamacchia's. Santana's value, meanwhile, has diminished considerably, in part because of his 7.16 ERA in 36 career road starts.
Even if the Angels swapped out another pitcher for Santana -- left-hander Joe Saunders perhaps, or Class AA right-hander Nick Adenhart -- their offer might not be as strong as the Braves'.
The Dodgers are the wild card, but the questionable state of their rotation could take them out of the Teixeira sweepstakes.
Okay. The Atlanta offer, if legit, is a very good offer. If the Braves do have this on the table, then Teixeira should end up being dealt...the only question would be, can they squeeze something more out of the Dodgers or Angels.
I'm not sure whether I'd prefer Kotchman and Adenhart over the Atlanta offer. I'd have to think about that. Ditto Loney and Kershaw...
Dave Sessions says that the Rangers have to move Teixeira, and have to NOT move him to Anaheim:
Did we mention Teixeira's agent, Scott Boras, has seats behind the plate in both Los Angeles-market stadiums?
Still, the last thing Daniels, or anyone in Rangers Ballpark in Arlington for that matter, would like to see is Teixeira crushing home runs to both fields while wearing an opponents' uniform. Trading him to the National League would make that a rare sight some years and an impossibility most years.
Given that the chances of Texas being a playoff team in 2008 are slight, and given that Teixeira is unlikely to re-up with whatever team he signs with, I don't see Teixeira going to Anaheim as being a problem. I don't care if he kills us for the next season-and-a-half as an Angel...if the return is solid, that's all that matters.
Evan Grant offers some specifics on the Anaheim offer:
It is believed Los Angeles has now added a pitcher to the mix, but the level of pitcher could vary widely from a young prospect with a high ceiling (20-year-old right-hander Nick Adenhart) to an experienced but struggling major leaguer (recently demoted Ervin Santana) to a prospect on the verge of pitching in the majors (lefty Joe Saunders).
Kotchman and one of the outfielders is not a real good offer. Kicking in Adenhart puts it close to the Atlanta offer, if not better...Saunders and Santana, on the other hand, I'm not that high on. Santana, I've spoken about before, and Saunders seems like a back of the rotation guy, and the Rangers need something better than that in a Teixeira deal.
The L.A. Times has a story headlined "Teixeira or Bust":
The Dodgers, Atlanta Braves and Boston Red Sox are also pursuing Teixeira, the Texas first baseman who in 75 games is batting .299 with 13 home runs and 49 runs batted in, and the Rangers are in the process of leveraging each team against the other in an attempt to drive up the offers for the switch-hitter.
Angels first baseman Casey Kotchman would be part of any package to acquire Teixeira, and the Rangers, who had zeroed in on Ervin Santana before the struggling right-hander was demoted to triple-A Salt Lake on July 18, are believed to be comfortable with left-hander Joe Saunders as part of a deal.
But the Rangers want a third player and are scouring the Angels' farm system to determine who to ask for. If Texas wants one of the Angels' elite prospects, such as third baseman Brandon Wood or double-A pitcher Nick Adenhart, trade talks would fizzle. But if Texas would accept a lesser prospect, a deal would be more likely.
The Rangers are also believed to be interested in outfielders Reggie Willits, Nathan Haynes or Terry Evans as the third player in the deal.
Kotchman, Santana and Willits, Haynes or Evans? Bleah.
Kotchman, Santana and Adenhart? Sign me up.
I also have to wonder if seeing the stock on some of these guys plummet may make Stoneman a little more aggressive than he has been in the past. A few years ago, the Angels had three stud positional prospects that were going to lead them to the promised land -- Kotchman, Jeff Mathis, and Dallas McPherson. McPherson and Mathis have busted, and Kotchman has turned into a nice player. Meanwhile, Brandon Wood, Ervin Santana, and Erick Aybar have all seen their stock go down this season.
That might make Stoneman more willing to kick in someone like Adenhart than he would have been in previous years...
Bobby Cox, meanwhile, is praising the work of Julio Franco as their new first baseman, saying he's better than his 4 for 23 start would suggest. Uh-huh.
David O'Brien at the AJC says that acquiring Teixeira may hasten Andruw Jones' departure from Atlanta, as the Braves may prefer to give $18 million per year long-term to Teixeira instead of Jones.
The thing there is, though, I don't know if Teixeira is going to take $18 million per year. I'd bet it is going to take a lot more than that to get him to sign an extension before he becomes a free agent.
Joel Sherman reports that the feeling is the Rangers like the offer from Atlanta, and are basically waiting to see if anyone tops it.
The Boston Herald says that the BoSox aren't making in major moves because of the "exorbinant demands" of the sellers, painting the Rangers as ridiculous for waiting two out of the Buchholz/Ellsbury/Lester trio.
The Boston Globe says the price for Teixeira is Buchholz, Ellsbury, and a third player...
Personally, I'm not sure that a Lester/Ellsbury package is better than the Atlanta offer or what the Angels will offer, although Buchholz and Ellsbury plus one might be, depending on who the third player is.
New York Newsday says the Rangers need to lower their demands for Teixeira for the Yankees to be involved, and another report says that the Yanks won't part with Chamberlain, Kennedy or Hughes, and thus are going to focus on Ty Wigginton instead of Teixeira.
But hey, the Yankees can pat themselves on the back for not parting with any of their pitching prospects, and can convince themselves that Andy Phillips and a couple of pitchers below the Alan Horne-level of quality was a strong offer, and the Rangers were just being unreasonable, while the BoSox can tell themselves the same thing, that Brandon Moss and Wily Mo Pena was more than reasonable...
Meanwhile, teams aren't interested in Sammy Sosa, because he's not, you know, any good. However, the New York Post says Omar Minaya may now finally be interested in taking a flyer on Sosa...
In non-trade stuff, Mike Heika has a piece on Travis Metcalf's learning curve, as does Anthony Andro in the S-T. I don't think Metcalf is going to be a regular third baseman on a good team, but I wouldn't have a problem with him as a platoon guy or a bench player, particularly if the Rangers wanted to look at having Hank Blalock play some first base.
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Thanks for my daily fix...
by JBImaknee on Jul 27, 2007 10:04 AM CDT 0 recs
You don't think
by Longhorn on Jul 27, 2007 10:10 AM CDT 0 recs
I don't think it's on the table
by ab03 on
Jul 27, 2007 10:14 AM CDT
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Heh
Exactly my thought, too.
Any package with Kershaw trumps. I'd take Kershaw with nothing thrown in but a pat on the back for Teixeira.
I'm surprised you're so blase about that pitcher, Adam.
by hightowersmith on
Jul 27, 2007 12:42 PM CDT
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Meh
It would be hard for me to say, I'd rather have Kershaw than Salt.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2007 2:55 PM CDT
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Its true
by DJCahill on
Jul 27, 2007 3:01 PM CDT
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No
by Adam J. Morris on
Jul 27, 2007 4:10 PM CDT
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Offense only...
by miles on Jul 27, 2007 10:11 AM CDT 0 recs
Depends
by Excel Hearts Choi on
Jul 27, 2007 10:28 AM CDT
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Not that I don't have faith
I do have faith, but I get antsy with all this waiting for the offers to get upped. I would have jumped over the Atl. offer yesterday and moved on to Gagne.
by ab03 on Jul 27, 2007 10:13 AM CDT 0 recs
I don't think the offers will get any better
Any chance the Yankees are waiting in the bushes?
by tricer on
Jul 27, 2007 10:41 AM CDT
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actually
by ab03 on
Jul 27, 2007 10:50 AM CDT
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I'd much rather have Jo-Jo
And I'm still holding out hope we get Feliz and/or Kaaihlue thrown in this deal... even if we have to toss in Mahay to get them.
by thedirkatron on
Jul 27, 2007 10:59 AM CDT
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Kaaihlue
by bushe on
Jul 27, 2007 11:02 AM CDT
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IMO
by badradiorules on
Jul 27, 2007 11:13 AM CDT
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i think they may have it
by Lonerangers on
Jul 27, 2007 12:39 PM CDT
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that had to take a while to put together
i wish the trade deadline were tomorrow, get this done.
im still partial to the braves offer, but if adenhart gets involved then youve got some thinking to do.
by DSheppard on Jul 27, 2007 10:13 AM CDT 0 recs
heh
by Longhorn on
Jul 27, 2007 10:19 AM CDT
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The Countdown Clock?
by 3Bagger on Jul 27, 2007 10:21 AM CDT 0 recs
My rank of offers
- Kotchman/Adenhart/Santana for Tex only
- Salty/Elvis/Harrison for Tex only
- Loney/Kershaw/OFer for Tex + reliever
- Kotchman/Adenhart for Tex only
- Salty/Elvis/Harrison for Tex + Wilson
by JBImaknee on Jul 27, 2007 10:25 AM CDT 0 recs
I like that
by t ball on
Jul 27, 2007 10:27 AM CDT
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fat chance
by ab03 on
Jul 27, 2007 10:30 AM CDT
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lol MIGHT
by bushe on
Jul 27, 2007 10:35 AM CDT
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lol, maybe not
by t ball on
Jul 27, 2007 10:42 AM CDT
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i dont know man
for teixeira/gagne.
Especially if there are no other offers on the table for him.
by Lonerangers on
Jul 27, 2007 10:44 AM CDT
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I'd take it, too
by t ball on
Jul 27, 2007 11:02 AM CDT
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#3
by Lonerangers on
Jul 27, 2007 10:39 AM CDT
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whoever the reliever is?
(I don't think LA wants CJ Wilson, just asking)
by ab03 on
Jul 27, 2007 10:42 AM CDT
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Atlanta
by t ball on Jul 27, 2007 10:25 AM CDT 0 recs
How about
Salty and Loney
Dodgers get:
Teixeira maybe Benoit
Atlanta gets:
Gagne and Either(LF)
Completely unreal so sorry.
by madyp on Jul 27, 2007 10:28 AM CDT 0 recs
unreal, indeed
by t ball on
Jul 27, 2007 10:34 AM CDT
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I hate the Atlanta offer
It doesn't improve our pitching in the near or long term.
Harrison goes into our system depth chart behind Hurley, Diamond, Galarraga, Kiker, and Volquez. Maybe Mendoza too. IF he performs well in '08 at AAA, AND he outperforms those other guys, he's a rookie in '09 at best. His upside is nowhere near a Danks or Hurley.
Andrus is just too far away to and unproven to put any stock into.
If we play Salty at catcher, we need to trade Laird. We're left with Wilkerson or Blalock at first.
We've traded Tex for an upgrade at catcher and a significant downgrade at first.
JD should be fired if he makes that move.
by LukeR on Jul 27, 2007 10:38 AM CDT 0 recs
We're trading one more year of Tex
by DJCahill on
Jul 27, 2007 10:44 AM CDT
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so you like the trade today?
by LukeR on
Jul 27, 2007 10:46 AM CDT
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Its been upgraded
I think we are entering the territory if all the rumored deals are truly on the table, the Rangers will be able to make a deal that will help the franchise for a long time, at the expense of making them worse for 2008.
by DJCahill on
Jul 27, 2007 11:03 AM CDT
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the upgrade was Harrison for Reyes
It's Schuerholz working his magic again, this time on poor old JD.
The Braves system has got to be one of the most overrated in baseball. They are riding the coattails of the early years of this decade. After all the promotions, they've got nothing past Salty.
by LukeR on
Jul 27, 2007 11:12 AM CDT
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Harrison
by RCCook on
Jul 27, 2007 11:17 AM CDT
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Except he throws more strikes.
by chief on
Jul 27, 2007 11:36 AM CDT
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Yeah
by RCCook on
Jul 27, 2007 11:41 AM CDT
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well
by ab03 on
Jul 27, 2007 10:45 AM CDT
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I'd take Kotchman / Saunders over Atlanta's offer
Except it's foolish to trade Tex within the division.
You could argue they only have him for one more year... but since they'll probably dominate the division in '08, what if he resigns with them in '09? I believe Tex when he says he only wants to play for a winner.
by LukeR on
Jul 27, 2007 10:52 AM CDT
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Strikes
I do see your point about being ML ready, but I like the offer.
by bushe on
Jul 27, 2007 10:59 AM CDT
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gives up few
by t ball on
Jul 27, 2007 11:02 AM CDT
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comparing AA leagues
by tricer on
Jul 27, 2007 11:14 AM CDT
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AA leagues
Looking at the park factors for Frisco vs. Mississippi (from the Baseball Think Factory chart in the links menu on the right) it looks like they're fairly even in terms of effects on run scoring, or at least were from 2003-05.
by RCCook on
Jul 27, 2007 11:22 AM CDT
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what if
by Brandon Wilson on
Jul 27, 2007 11:02 AM CDT
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that
by t ball on
Jul 27, 2007 11:03 AM CDT
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No
by thedirkatron on
Jul 27, 2007 11:32 AM CDT
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it's funny
I want to see Pie hit major league pitching. He's obviously a great talent, but so far he hasn't hit for beans in the bigs. Now he's tearing it up in AAA. So are Nelson Cruz and Victor Diaz.
But I think there's no way the Cubs make that trade.
by LukeR on
Jul 27, 2007 11:07 AM CDT
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maybe...
We need a legit CF and I think Pie may be the best chance we have to fill that role. I think he'll come around hitting wise (go Rudy!) and he can go get it pretty good in the ourfield.
by Brandon Wilson on
Jul 27, 2007 11:10 AM CDT
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baseball think factory
by t ball on Jul 27, 2007 10:43 AM CDT 0 recs
Cubs
Pie is not hitting (and recently sent down to get consistent AB's), but there is really nobody to take his place. I see that Jacques Jones has been getting some time in CF, but this is hardly an ideal option. Lofton would fit their needs perfectly.
There are questions about the health of Cliff Floyd. Against righties he is hitting .296/.360/.402. Obviously, he is hitting worse against lefties. Sosa would make a nice platoon, and allow some much needed rest for Floyd. Most of all, Sosa won't cost much.
The bullpen could also use an upgrade, and the Rangers have a few arms that they could deal. Daniels seems to be getting a reputation (at least for right now) that he is asking for the moon in any trade. This could be spin by other front office executives, or it may be true. Regardless, I think the Cubs could easily afford Sosa and Mahay without having to give away their farm system. Should they want to deal more prospects, they cold add Lofton and Benoit. I know this team is looking to sell, so they don't want to add lots of money for the future. The Rangers are full of players who have expiring contracts (and they are all reasonable as well).
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jul 27, 2007 10:44 AM CDT 0 recs
I don't think Sosa will be going back to the Cubs.
by DJCahill on
Jul 27, 2007 10:53 AM CDT
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Sosa
by badradiorules on
Jul 27, 2007 11:16 AM CDT
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If the Yankees did nothing
Abreu
Overall .272/.351/.399
vs RH .289/.373/.444
vs LH .226/.294/.283
by DJCahill on
Jul 27, 2007 11:33 AM CDT
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You're right
by badradiorules on
Jul 27, 2007 12:38 PM CDT
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Teix is in line of way more than 18 mil a yr
by cgolden on Jul 27, 2007 10:51 AM CDT 0 recs
i can see that
Tex=25-30
I think Boras has no problem peddling the two of them as the best and second best offensive commodities in the game.
by ab03 on
Jul 27, 2007 10:54 AM CDT
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Switch-hitter
by t ball on
Jul 27, 2007 11:03 AM CDT
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Yes Yes
I propose The Switch-Hitter-formerly-known-as-Doucheyface...
by Brian Thomas on
Jul 27, 2007 11:33 AM CDT
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I've been thinking for awhile that
by DJCahill on
Jul 27, 2007 10:54 AM CDT
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And that is way too much.
Teixeira is probably in the top ten players in the game -maybe- but he just isn't in ARod's class. He's a top twenty hitter who can also field extremely well, which makes him kind of unique. But still - almost every aspect of Pujols' game is better than Teixeira's. ARod will be better than Teixeira over the next 5 years. Vlad and Cabrera probably should command more money also. And that doesn't even touch pitchers - Johan Santana, Peavy? All these guys are more valuable than Tex.
Right now, Teixeira is #19 in baseball in OPS. Now, some of those guys (Carlos Pena, Chase Utley, Chris Duncan) are above him because of career years, whereas you know year-in, year-out that Teixeira will finish in the top 20 and win a gold glove. And that is great - but that makes him about the same as an Andruw Jones (before his recent slump)- a very good hitter who excels at his position. Extremely valuable, but not one of the top players in the game right now. He's not worth 20/year.
It is a shame that Andruw has had such a down year - I would have loved to see how Boras tried to spin both of them into the 2nd biggest contracts in baseball...
by JBImaknee on
Jul 27, 2007 11:42 AM CDT
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I agree with you its too much
Which is why I came to the conclusion last year that Teixeira would eventually have to be traded if the Rangers wanted to maximise value for him.
The price Boras thinks he is worth is much higher than I would want to pay, and it all comes down to what is the best trade you can get for him and when is the best time to make the trade.
by DJCahill on
Jul 27, 2007 11:58 AM CDT
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Tex and ARod...
Also - The Red Sox have asked Brandon Moss to try out first base for a bit. Could that have anything to do with their offer to Texas for Tex?
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