Done Deal ?

better not be

Gabbard & Murphy

by mjh on Jul 31, 2007 1:14 PM CDT reply actions

yep

it better not be, I doubt it is.

Duncan Hunter for President in '08

by dstar442005 on Jul 31, 2007 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions

it's Gabbard

and players.

by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2007 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions

updated the story

Ranger would get Gabbard and another player or players

Mark Connor just shows up to the ballpark to collect a paycheck.

by jshcmp on Jul 31, 2007 1:15 PM CDT reply actions

I'll wait for the second player

But as of now this is looking horrible.

by Taylor on Jul 31, 2007 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions

word!

.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Jul 31, 2007 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions

i still dont understand

how Linebrink fetches a better deal than the rumored Gagne deals

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:16 PM CDT reply actions

crapper

Salary Dump

by hubcityraider on Jul 31, 2007 1:17 PM CDT reply actions

well

if gabbard is the centerpiece of that deal, i'm hoping gagne rejects the trade.

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2007 1:19 PM CDT reply actions

I hope we get Gabbard...

Lefty (lefties .452 ops) groundball specialist who's already pitched well in Boston. Sounds perfect to me. If we could get Ellsbury too...wow.

by slimshadty12 on Jul 31, 2007 1:20 PM CDT reply actions

Gabbard

What exactly is the problem with him? He looks useful to me.

Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Jul 31, 2007 1:21 PM CDT reply actions

i kinda expected

someone a bit more useful though.

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2007 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Gabbard in AAA

7-2 3.24 ERA 2.61 GO/AO 25 bb 64 k

Those look like very good numbers to me.

Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Jul 31, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions

he's never had a history of success, and his success this year is mainly caused by a flukily low walk rate that's no where near in line with the rest of his career. That's not a solid prospect, that's John Koronka waiting to happen.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Gabbard

4-0, 3.73 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, .196 BAA in 41 innings with Boston this year. 25-year-old lefty starter. I think we can use that.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7821

"Then I met some friends for a beer, went to a BoDeans's concert, and son of a vondruke, if I didn't leave him at the concert hall."

by RCCook on Jul 31, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Gabbard

in AAA last year

5.43 ERA, 4.5 BB/9, K rate in the sevens.

So what's this guy's cieling and lefty Kam Loe?

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Who cares

what the guy did in AAA last year? This year he has been very good in AAA and MLB. Isn't that called progress as a young player? It's not like the guy is 29 years old or something.

Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Jul 31, 2007 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions

No, but the dude

is 25, and his ERA right now is sustained by an abnormally low (for him), hit rate and a lower (for him) walk rate. That's not a player that's going to have sustainable success. It'd be one thing if he only sucked in AAA, but this guy's been consistantly mediocre wherever he has been.

Give me Tyler Clippard, I'd rather have younger mediocrity that has a chance to become less mediocre than older mediocrity who will become even more so when luck catches up to him.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions

progress

sometimes its progress, sometimes is a fluke... I don't know which it is, but I'm not going to call him useful just because he's had 41 IP of decent numbers... On the other hand, I'm not going to say he sucks just because scouts have never rated him very high.

I will say this, he had a complete game shutout against the Royals two weeks ago. I didn't see anyone in our rotation shut out the Royals this past weekend.

by Brandon Wilson on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions

Gabbard

Couldn't agree more. After all this is what everyone has been hoping for: A guy who can come right into the starting rotation and help us out. Plus, as noted a lefty that throws ground balls is always good for the Rangers.

by thowell25 on Jul 31, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions

been good this year

but struggled in AAA last year

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions

His minor league numbers aren't good.

He's done okay in his few starts for Boston, but may not fair so well his second time around. I still think he could be a decent #5 guy, but not the return I'd look for in a Gagne deal.

Obviously you're not a golfer.

by chief on Jul 31, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions

*key return, that is.

Obviously you're not a golfer.

by chief on Jul 31, 2007 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Gabbard

Maybe not what you hoped for, but a definite upgrade over Jamie Wright.

by doolindalton on Jul 31, 2007 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions

Exactly

am i missing something here, what the hell is wrong with Gabbard?

by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions

Gabbard

has better #'s then all our SP's. He has a career sub 4.00 ERA. The way you guys were talking, I thought he was going to be some POS but his numbers look good and he's 25.

Our starting rotation has more holes than swiss cheese. We thought we were going to have Millwood, Padilla, B-Mac, Tejeda pitch well for us this year. Millwood, Padilla, and Tejeda have been HORRIBLE.

Next year, if Tejeda doesn't turn it around. I can see Gabbard taking Tejeda's spot.

Millwood, Padilla, Bmac, Gabbard, Tejeda/Hurley/etc.

Who knows, the way Bmac Gabbard pitch in the second half. They can be fighting for the 3rd spot in the rotation.

by Coolbean04 on Jul 31, 2007 1:26 PM CDT reply actions

Yeah ok

25 innings, and a hit rate that's a full 2 below his career averages, and a flukily low BB rate (which is still in the 3s) to boot. That's not a formula for sustained success.

It's a lefty Kam Loe folks, nothing to get excited about. Fuck, horrid trade.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Loe.....

can't throw strikes consistently. He gets in trouble from throwing fastballs on 2-0 counts. Gabbard is a lefty who keeps the ball low in the strike zone, gets a lot of ground ball outs,has a decent hook and doesn't walk many.

by doolindalton on Jul 31, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions

Neither can Gabbard

Kam Loe, for reference average about 3 BB/9 in his minor league career. Gabbard? Try 4.5.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions

Loe

Opponents also hit .317 against Kameron in the minors this season and have hit .296 in the majors. Over seven starts, admitedly a smaller sample than Loe's, Gabbard average against is below .200. In the minors it was .220ish. Again, Gabbard may not be an all-star, but is probably an upgrade over our current rotation.

by doolindalton on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions

look at his minor league career

dont base him off a few mlb innings.

read some redsox boards. they think gabbard/murphy are NOTHING.

by DShep on Jul 31, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Whoa?!

Redsox boards?!?! THOSE GUYS ARE THE END ALL OF KNOWLEDGE IN THE BASEBALL UNIVERSE!

I feel so much better now!

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions

oh give me a break

sons of sam horn posters know about 100x more than you about freaking gabbard.

by DShep on Jul 31, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions

How bout

the fact that you know, he's sucked his entire career?

Arguments like "well, he had success for a brief amount of time, and might sustain it despite what all the peripherals say" is what led to GMJ getting 55 million dollars to suck.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions

GMJ was 31 when he finally had a good season

Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Jul 31, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Same freakin deal

fluky peripherals with nice looking surface stats. That's not how you spell future success.

Fuck, now I wish we took the Yankees deal.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions

You guys are funny

Gagne? not NEARLY as valuable as you guys are making him out to be.

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:28 PM CDT reply actions

right

but when scott linebrink can get arguably just as good of a return, their is something wrong here.

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions

Well what is the variable between those trades

The differnt IQ levels between the people invovled.

Its a scale that can go up or down

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions

man

if you're saying ivy league jon isn't smart he's gonna come kick your ass

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions

plus if we really want him back

hes a free agent at the end of the year. So then wed have gange and 2 or so more players to compete for our scrub ass team next year. Who cares what happens to anyone not locked up for the next 3-4 years at this point. There all expendable. Blow the whole thing up or we will end up looking like the astros trying to compete with a few broken veterans and a bunch of minor leaguers who are only playing in the majors because there is no other choice... wait thats us now...

by dubman @ Lone Star Ball on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions

2 firsts

thats what he's worth. he's worth Main at least. he just is. thats his value. anything less and u are lsing the deal and screwing up the future.

.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions

Meet Gabbard!!!

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:29 PM CDT reply actions

Damn

And you guys are knocking him for his Stats?

Get your priorites strait.

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions

douche.

He's that guy in college that you wanted to hit in the face with a waffle iron.

"I've learned that before I open my mouth, I should look both ways for midgets." - Denny Crain

by mtex on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions

David Murphy,

is the other guy...

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:31 PM CDT reply actions

where did you see this

tell me you're just making it up.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't kid...

Baseball tonight right now on ESPN said that...

Peter Gammons

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Did he say

"dave murphy"

or

"might be dave murphy"

Cause Gammons is like 5 steps into senility, if it's might be dave murphy, I still have hope.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Its not 100 percent

But they seemed possitive

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions

Gammons

has sucked for the last 4 years when it comes to breaking deals. Everybody's just too polite to tell him though.

I'll wait till Rosenthal says it.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions

The only

thing Gammons could say good about Murphy is that he will help us defensivly.

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions

senility

or brain damage?

by dubman @ Lone Star Ball on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions

he will have fun

sitting the bench behind torii hunter next year

by dubman @ Lone Star Ball on Jul 31, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Great

There goes all the positive energy created yesterday. Hicks has to be loving all this wonderful financial flexibility!

by Taylor on Jul 31, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions

link?

Mark Connor just shows up to the ballpark to collect a paycheck.

by jshcmp on Jul 31, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions

im pissed

id rather have the picks

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM CDT reply actions

Hey guys!!!

We have our CF of the future!!!!!!!

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:33 PM CDT reply actions

who

?

by knockoutking24 on Jul 31, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions

hahaha

even my Red Sox buddy cant believe this.

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:34 PM CDT reply actions

The deal

is set, the only thing that has to be done is negotiating with Gagne to get him to go...

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:37 PM CDT reply actions

Gabbard can take CJ's role in the pen

and move BGL to the rotation.

Me and Billy the Kid never got along. I didn't like the way he cocked his hat and he wore his gun all wrong.

by tricer on Jul 31, 2007 1:38 PM CDT reply actions

fire JD

im back on the bandwagon

Murphy's MLB projection is Ryan Langerhans :(

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:40 PM CDT reply actions

give me a break

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Jul 31, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions

on a scale of 1-10

i give this trade a 3

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions

you're going to fire him for this?

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Jul 31, 2007 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions

Too kind

I give it a .5, as it's the trade equivalent of pouring concentrated HCL in your eyes.

Lonestarball - come for your chemistry lessons.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions

or how 'bout

nackel

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions

bleh

I'd expect this for Benoit..but for gagne?!?!?

Damn Towers/melvin for setting our expectations so high...

Sooooo underwhelming...

by HypoLuxa on Jul 31, 2007 1:40 PM CDT reply actions

Incidently...

Peter Gammons said that JD would have done well if he gets Gabbard and Murphy for Gagne. I can't imagine why he'd say that lol.

by slimshadty12 on Jul 31, 2007 1:40 PM CDT reply actions

Peter gammons

getting perliously close to "die in a fire" levels right now.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions

So

we got a #5 starter and a #9 hitter for ERic Gagne. Just say that to yourself 4 times, I'll still be here when you're done weeping.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:41 PM CDT reply actions

Crap

Gabbard I can live with, he seems like a pretty interesting 5th starter/LH reliever...but if the second player is Murphy then this deal really does suck. I'd seriously rather have the draft picks than Gabbard and Murphy...

by jcir454 on Jul 31, 2007 1:41 PM CDT reply actions

That is my take as well

Murphy doesn't impress me at all.

by bflood36 on Jul 31, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions

can we please trade for

kevin towers?

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM CDT reply actions

Update from

ESPN coming up in a second...

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:43 PM CDT reply actions

update on gagne

after the commercial brake

hopefully he said no

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:43 PM CDT reply actions

Jinx

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10

haha

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Ticket just said...

that it's Gabbard, Murphy AND another minor leaguer...but that's the first I've seen of that.

There's HOPE!

Let the trading frenzy begin!!!

by ortonius on Jul 31, 2007 1:44 PM CDT reply actions

That minor leaguer

better be someone like Bowden.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions

has to be

because gabbard + murphy is a joke

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Wrap your head around 2 things people

Keeping gagne is a waste.
Draft picks, sure they are nice and shiny and get a fancy rating when they are young, but the chances of them being even AS successful as the two players we got, small.
This is most likely the best we could get, so quit acting like JD got fleeced or something. and no no NO you dont want to fucking keep him.

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM CDT reply actions

Ok I got on a roll

Wrap your head around THREE things.

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions

point 3

is completely stupid

why is this the best JD can do when Chad Cordero and Scott Linebrink can fetch better prospects?

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions

Its what

an hour before the deadline? This isnt a video game, shit has to get done.

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions

whats your point again?

can you answer why gagne fetches less than linebrink or cordero would?

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions

DFA

everbody?

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions

Maybe because

He has a semi-no trade, had to approve certain trades, wants to close whereever he goes? Has a rather large contract?

Many variables that those other guys dont have.

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions

Ok

so what would bring back more in a trade.

Michael Main dominating in low A
Kason Gabbard getting destroyed in MLB.

Your farm system isn't just for player development, it's also for trade acquisition, and right now Michael Main and Julio Bourbon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>David Murphy and Kason Gabbard in both trade value and actual value. Cause you know, it's not entirely confirmed that both suck.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions

Getting destroyed?

Can u fricken read numbers? Man, a career sub 4.00 ERA in MLB is really getting destroyed?? Yep, he's getting destroyed in the majors alright.

If you're talking about his #'s in the minors is one thing, to open ur mouth and say something stupid like that. Get the facts straight.

by Coolbean04 on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions

Wait

Why is everyone so down on this move? If we can get 2 possibly 3 decent prospects I would say we got what we could for Gagne. Not to mention we can still try and re-sign him at the end of the season when he is a FA.

by DIESCTBRS on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM CDT reply actions

Count me in the

- For the move group

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions

murphy

is not a "decent" prospect.

by knockoutking24 on Jul 31, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Murphy and Gabbard

aren't prospects period, they're AAA fodder, one of which happened to have a short burst of fluky success.

So, it's like that time when we got Freddy Bynum and John Rheinecker for Juan Dominguez, except, you know, we sent Eric FUCKING GAGNE this time.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions

ive gotta believe this isnt the truth

id rather have just dealt gagne for j meloan straight up.

hell i read somewhere they wanted to trade hu and would do hu for gagne or benoit. id do that.

david fricken murphy. REALLY?

by knockoutking24 on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM CDT reply actions

The Ticket

Said a third player may also be involved. I'd guess probably an A-ball guy.

"Then I met some friends for a beer, went to a BoDeans's concert, and son of a vondruke, if I didn't leave him at the concert hall."

by RCCook on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM CDT reply actions

Update...

In works of restructuring his contract right now, so they are talking to him right now I guess...

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:46 PM CDT reply actions

I guess

its going to happen, talking about moving Gagne's family with him?

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions

come on Gagne

stay with the Rangers. Hey, you'll get Octobers off.

buffering....

by SteveP on Jul 31, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions

No

They are restructuring his contract based on the incentives. Gagne is not going to extend unless he is the full time closer.

by DIESCTBRS on Jul 31, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions

if these two are....

really that bad then id much rather have the picks. What happend to JD staying firm in receiving one premium prospect for Gange? This sucks

rage against the gold club

by erikj07 on Jul 31, 2007 1:49 PM CDT reply actions

Wait...

In Tex trade, We were getting Kyle Davies? I gues that means we are getting Harrison, right?

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:49 PM CDT reply actions

from listening to olney

it sounded like harrison is the guy in the tex deal

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions

3rd player

angel beltre

phew

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 PM CDT reply actions

Hitting

not even .200!!!

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions

lol

he is 16 years old

him and elvis can be roomies

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions

We get Beltre

16 years old!!!

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 PM CDT reply actions

GOOD

third prospect is supposed to be pretty damn good... Although he is really young and in A ball

rage against the gold club

by erikj07 on Jul 31, 2007 1:52 PM CDT reply actions

Just because

he is 16 doesn't mean hes good.

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Haha

Yes lets get excited woooo!

A fucking 16 year old?!? HE CAN DRIVE MOTHERFUCKERS! WHAT NOW BITCHES?

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions

lol

wtf are we doing

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions

i am excited....

better than just getting Gabbard and Murphy

rage against the gold club

by erikj07 on Jul 31, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Haha

I garentee you he can't speak english, bet he can't drive...

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Not Murphy

Haigwood is second player

by tparr on Jul 31, 2007 1:53 PM CDT reply actions

would you rather have

Inman, garrison, and Thatcher

or

Gabbard, Murphy, and Beltre?

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:53 PM CDT reply actions

Inman is the best prospect

Beltre is the potential star.

Given that we just picked up 3 potential "stars" in the Braves deal, give me the best prospect.

Jeez Doug, you coulda called us before you went and dealt for Linebrink you know.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions

Beltre

A major league scouting director is quoted in Baseball America: "Beltre to me is a young (Barry) Bonds--all five tools. He can do it all. He's going to be terrifying when he fills into that body."

by sprite on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM CDT reply actions

except

that he is hitting .200

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Well take that with a grain of salt

I mean shit most 16 year old kids are waiting on blazing 60 MPH heat to cross the plate to them.

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions

rudy will make him hit

and he wont even have to learn english.

by dubman @ Lone Star Ball on Jul 31, 2007 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Super Laird?

Its that what your telling me

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Hahaha..

Self proclaimed 5 tool player...

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Well then give the kid some steroids

and let's get going!

by Taylor on Jul 31, 2007 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Angel Beltre is the 3rd guy.

WOW!

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=13341&mode=threaded&pid=565218

-A major league scouting director is quoted in Baseball America: "Beltre to me is a young (Barry) Bonds--all five tools. He can do it all. He's going to be terrifying when he fills into that body."

-Ranked second on ESPN's ranking of the newly available Latin American prospects in 2006.

.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM CDT reply actions

I guess

we are rebuilding for 2012.

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM CDT reply actions

And in 2012

We'll be rebuilding for 2017.

Dax Flame!!

by Sharky on Jul 31, 2007 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions

It's not about 2012!

I can already hear it.

buffering....

by SteveP on Jul 31, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions

we're also getting some guy

named beltre in the sox deal, dont knkow his first name, but good god, Gabbard could of refined his delivery or sumthin, over the years I lost trust in JD, but if he was demanding Kennedy from the yanks, I doubt he'd settle for a fluke season, He has to knkow his track record and not be worried about it

by slash on Jul 31, 2007 1:57 PM CDT reply actions

wow, that was tough to get through

Mix in an English lesson...

Lick by lick, mountains erode

by RangerMoto on Jul 31, 2007 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions

It's funny

that he took the time to use commas, but didn't use a single period. It made me laugh. How's my spelling?

Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Jul 31, 2007 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Engel Beltre

5 years away, WTF.

DShepp, even you gotta be disappointed in this haul which can be at the very best, described as a collective nut shot.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:58 PM CDT reply actions

Sounds

to me like 10 years...

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions

OUCH

it really does feel like a shot to the pills

by bushe on Jul 31, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions

spoke too late lol

.

by slash on Jul 31, 2007 2:00 PM CDT reply actions

beltre

supposidly they REALLY liked him (they=the sox)

im ok w/ this deal

gabbard isnt bad (better than jamey wright) and is fairly young and is lefthanded and is a GB specialist

murphy is AAA fodder.

beltre has potential.

by knockoutking24 on Jul 31, 2007 2:01 PM CDT reply actions

Now that i've settled

down and actually thought about the trade. I don't see it as such a bad thing. We get a 25 yr old guy, who hopefully can build on his solid season thus far, and help in the rotation next year. And even though Their are some guys here old enough to be beltre's dad, i think he's got some very good potential.

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2007 2:08 PM CDT reply actions

engel beltre

is 17, not 16. he signed last year as 16 year old. turns 18 in november. has some pop already. 5 homers in GCL. one of the top signings last year.

by mo on Jul 31, 2007 2:09 PM CDT reply actions

Kevin Goldstein at BP likes him

He just said this in his chat:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=332&nocache=1185908681#new

-------------
It's a good deal for both teams, as Beltre does have HUGE upside and remarkable tools. Of course he's 17 and very very far away from that ceiling as well. You won't be able to judge this one for a while.
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by mikedallas23 @ Lone Star Ball on Jul 31, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Guys

don't talk yourselves into it. We got the same package for Dominguez last year that we got for Eric Gagne this year, except the Red Sox gave us a bag of magic beans as well.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 2:10 PM CDT reply actions

Gabbard

Don't see why everyone is so down on Gabbard. Very decent MLB stats. This is what everybody supposedly wants, a pitcher that can step right into our rotation and at least be a #5 guy. Yeah, having Gagne was cool but do we really need a closer past his prime as bad as an up and coming starter?

by thowell25 on Jul 31, 2007 2:14 PM CDT reply actions

Here's a hint

cause he's sucked all his career and his major league success is a fluke by all other numbers. Read the actual thread.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions

Have read the thread

And looked at all of his numbers, as well as some video. He'd be fine here. Shit it's not like we need Roger Clemens in his prime to be successful at Rangers Ballpark. A lefty who throws ground balls can be just as successful as Rick Helling, Aaron Sele or whoever. Granted we don't hit as well as we did with those guys but I think he can be money for us.

by thowell25 on Jul 31, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Please

you won't have success if you walked 4 batter per 9 innings, regardless of how you pitch. Especially if you give up hits by the metric ton.

Gabbard has been really, really lucky. Let's not pretend otherwise.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree

That the BB/IP ratio is a little scary. I'm just pleased that we will apparently be getting a guy who might just help us at the Major League level now. We'll just have to wait and see.

by thowell25 on Jul 31, 2007 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions

We are swimming

in possible #5 guys next year. Loe. Volquez. Hurley. Padilla.

by DJCahill on Jul 31, 2007 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah you're right

We are swimming in a sea of mediocrity when it comes to #5 guys. Padilla, however if he's healthy is certainly not in the 5 range. Volquez although I'm aware of his recent success I'm not sold on. Hurley, well we'll see. Loe in my mind at least will be a #4.

by thowell25 on Jul 31, 2007 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions

so...

now that we're dumping salary, why can't we package Benoit, Wilkerson and Padilla? If we're recieving Murphy as 3A fodder, then we can send Padilla away, right? Hell, we could pick up some of his contract too like we're doing with Tex and A-rod.

What could we get for this package?

by texaschief on Jul 31, 2007 2:22 PM CDT reply actions

Probably about the same

as we could get for Benoit alone. I think Padilla is hurt, but regardless he is a head case that few would want to put up with.

by thowell25 on Jul 31, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions

I feel just like Charlie Brown on Halloween

I got a rock.

I'd MUCH rather have the two picks next year, horrible trade, just horrible.

by jefe6801 on Jul 31, 2007 2:29 PM CDT reply actions

Alright huge difference...

In Beltre turning 18 in November. He's basically the outfield version of Andrus.

This makes this trade legitimate IMO.

by slimshadty12 on Jul 31, 2007 2:32 PM CDT reply actions

umm...

the scroll on ESPN 2 says we got Saltalamaccia, Andrus and THREE!!! Minor league pitchers. Is this a typo or did i miss something? I thought we just got 2 pitchers.

by texaschief on Jul 31, 2007 2:32 PM CDT reply actions

YEA

jones, harrison and feliz

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions

third pitcher was added...

probably because harrison was injured and JD squeezed out Jones

by slimshadty12 on Jul 31, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions

really?

who's jones? i haven't heard anything about him? please tell me he's an asset.

by texaschief on Jul 31, 2007 2:38 PM CDT reply actions

fuck man

I was so elated so see what JD pulled off yesterday with the Braves. And then ... this mess.

Fuckin Peter Gammons and his brain-dead Red Sox propaghanda. JD is going to need to clarify the circumstances surrounding this trade in order to justify it. Because on the surface, looking at all of Gabbard's peripherals, this is a piece of shit trade. I am completely dissatisfied.

I'm on the Kam Loe Bandwagon, deal with it.

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