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Done Deal ?

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Red Sox Close To Acquiring Gagne

According to Ken Rosenthal, the Red Sox are the winner of the Eric Gagne sweepstakes pending Gagne's consent and a review of medical records.  Rosenthal says Gagne might share the closer role with Jonathan Papelbon; it would not be shocking to see Papelbon become the setup man for the rest of the year.  That would be a hell of a 1-2 punch regardless and a huge asset for the playoffs.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7072074

No word on which prospects went to Texas yet.

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better not be
Gabbard & Murphy

by mjh on Jul 31, 2007 1:14 PM CDT   0 recs

yep
it better not be, I doubt it is.
Duncan Hunter for President in '08

by dstar442005 on Jul 31, 2007 1:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

updated the story
Ranger would get Gabbard and another player or players
Mark Connor just shows up to the ballpark to collect a paycheck.

by jshcmp on Jul 31, 2007 1:15 PM CDT   0 recs

I'll wait for the second player
But as of now this is looking horrible.

by Taylor on Jul 31, 2007 1:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

word!
.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Jul 31, 2007 1:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i still dont understand
how Linebrink fetches a better deal than the rumored Gagne deals

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:16 PM CDT   0 recs

crapper
Salary Dump

by hubcityraider on Jul 31, 2007 1:17 PM CDT   0 recs

well
if gabbard is the centerpiece of that deal, i'm hoping gagne rejects the trade.

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2007 1:19 PM CDT   0 recs

I hope we get Gabbard...
Lefty (lefties .452 ops) groundball specialist who's already pitched well in Boston. Sounds perfect to me. If we could get Ellsbury too...wow.

by slimshadty12 on Jul 31, 2007 1:20 PM CDT   0 recs

Gabbard
What exactly is the problem with him?  He looks useful to me.
Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Jul 31, 2007 1:21 PM CDT   0 recs

i kinda expected
someone a bit more useful though.

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2007 1:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gabbard in AAA
7-2 3.24 ERA 2.61 GO/AO 25 bb 64 k

Those look like very good numbers to me.

Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Jul 31, 2007 1:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's 25 years old
he's never had a history of success, and his success this year is mainly caused by a flukily low walk rate that's no where near in line with the rest of his career. That's not a solid prospect, that's John Koronka waiting to happen.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gabbard
4-0, 3.73 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, .196 BAA in 41 innings with Boston this year. 25-year-old lefty starter. I think we can use that.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7821

"Then I met some friends for a beer, went to a BoDeans's concert, and son of a vondruke, if I didn't leave him at the concert hall."

by RCCook on Jul 31, 2007 1:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gabbard
in AAA last year

5.43 ERA, 4.5 BB/9, K rate in the sevens.

So what's this guy's cieling and lefty Kam Loe?

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who cares
what the guy did in AAA last year?  This year he has been very good in AAA and MLB.  Isn't that called progress as a young player?  It's not like the guy is 29 years old or something.
Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Jul 31, 2007 1:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No, but the dude
is 25, and his ERA right now is sustained by an abnormally low (for him), hit rate and a lower (for him) walk rate. That's not a player that's going to have sustainable success. It'd be one thing if he only sucked in AAA, but this guy's been consistantly mediocre wherever he has been.

Give me Tyler Clippard, I'd rather have younger mediocrity that has a chance to become less mediocre than older mediocrity who will become even more so when luck catches up to him.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

progress
sometimes its progress, sometimes is a fluke... I don't know which it is, but I'm not going to call him useful just because he's had 41 IP of decent numbers... On the other hand, I'm not going to say he sucks just because scouts have never rated him very high.

I will say this, he had a complete game shutout against the Royals two weeks ago. I didn't see anyone in our rotation shut out the Royals this past weekend.

by Brandon Wilson on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gabbard
Couldn't agree more.  After all this is what everyone has been hoping for:  A guy who can come right into the starting rotation and help us out.  Plus, as noted a lefty that throws ground balls is always good for the Rangers.  

by thowell25 on Jul 31, 2007 2:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

been good this year
but struggled in AAA last year

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

His minor league numbers aren't good.
He's done okay in his few starts for Boston, but may not fair so well his second time around.  I still think he could be a decent #5 guy, but not the return I'd look for in a Gagne deal.
Obviously you're not a golfer.

by chief on Jul 31, 2007 1:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

*key return, that is.
Obviously you're not a golfer.

by chief on Jul 31, 2007 1:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gabbard
Maybe not what you hoped for, but a definite upgrade over Jamie Wright.    

by doolindalton on Jul 31, 2007 1:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly
am i missing something here, what the hell is wrong with Gabbard?

by Longhorn on Jul 31, 2007 1:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gabbard
has better #'s then all our SP's.  He has a career sub 4.00 ERA.  The way you guys were talking, I thought he was going to be some POS but his numbers look good and he's 25.

Our starting rotation has more holes than swiss cheese.  We thought we were going to have Millwood, Padilla, B-Mac, Tejeda pitch well for us this year.  Millwood, Padilla, and Tejeda have been HORRIBLE.

Next year, if Tejeda doesn't turn it around.  I can see Gabbard taking Tejeda's spot.

Millwood, Padilla, Bmac, Gabbard, Tejeda/Hurley/etc.

Who knows, the way Bmac Gabbard pitch in the second half.  They can be fighting for the 3rd spot in the rotation.

by Coolbean04 on Jul 31, 2007 1:26 PM CDT   0 recs

Yeah ok
25 innings, and a hit rate that's a full 2 below his career averages, and a flukily low BB rate (which is still in the 3s) to boot. That's not a formula for sustained success.

It's a lefty Kam Loe folks, nothing to get excited about. Fuck, horrid trade.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Loe.....
can't throw strikes consistently.  He gets in trouble from throwing fastballs on 2-0 counts.  Gabbard is a lefty who keeps the ball low in the strike zone, gets a lot of ground ball outs,has a decent hook and doesn't walk many.

by doolindalton on Jul 31, 2007 1:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Neither can Gabbard
Kam Loe, for reference average about 3 BB/9 in his minor league career. Gabbard? Try 4.5.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Loe
Opponents also hit .317 against Kameron in the minors this season and have hit .296 in the majors.  Over seven starts, admitedly a smaller sample than Loe's, Gabbard average against is below .200.  In the minors it was .220ish.  Again, Gabbard may not be an all-star, but is probably an upgrade over our current rotation.

by doolindalton on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

look at his minor league career
dont base him off a few mlb innings.

read some redsox boards.  they think gabbard/murphy are NOTHING.

by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2007 1:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whoa?!
Redsox boards?!?! THOSE GUYS ARE THE END ALL OF KNOWLEDGE IN THE BASEBALL UNIVERSE!

I feel so much better now!

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oh give me a break
sons of sam horn posters know about 100x more than you about freaking gabbard.

by DSheppard on Jul 31, 2007 1:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How bout
the fact that you know, he's sucked his entire career?

Arguments like "well, he had success for a brief amount of time, and might sustain it despite what all the peripherals say" is what led to GMJ getting 55 million dollars to suck.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Same freakin deal
fluky peripherals with nice looking surface stats. That's not how you spell future success.

Fuck, now I wish we took the Yankees deal.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You guys are funny
Gagne? not NEARLY as valuable as you guys are making him out to be.

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:28 PM CDT   0 recs

right
but when scott linebrink can get arguably just as good of a return, their is something wrong here.

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2007 1:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well what is the variable between those trades
The differnt IQ levels between the people invovled.

Its a scale that can go up or down

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

man
if you're saying ivy league jon isn't smart he's gonna come kick your ass

by Lonerangers on Jul 31, 2007 1:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

plus if we really want him back
hes a free agent at the end of the year.  So then wed have gange and 2 or so more players to compete for our scrub ass team next year.  Who cares what happens to anyone not locked up for the next 3-4 years at this point.  There all expendable.  Blow the whole thing up or we will end up looking like the astros trying to compete with a few broken veterans and a bunch of minor leaguers who are only playing in the majors because there is no other choice... wait thats us now...

by dubman on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

2 firsts
thats what he's worth.  he's worth Main at least.  he just is.  thats his value.  anything less and u are lsing the deal and screwing up the future.
.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Jul 31, 2007 1:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Meet Gabbard!!!

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:29 PM CDT   0 recs

Damn
And you guys are knocking him for his Stats?

Get your priorites strait.

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

douche.
He's that guy in college that you wanted to hit in the face with a waffle iron.
"I've learned that before I open my mouth, I should look both ways for midgets." - Denny Crain

by mtex on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

David Murphy,
is the other guy...
"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:31 PM CDT   0 recs

where did you see this
tell me you're just making it up.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't kid...
Baseball tonight right now on ESPN said that...

Peter Gammons

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Did he say
"dave murphy"

or

"might be dave murphy"

Cause Gammons is like 5 steps into senility, if it's might be dave murphy, I still have hope.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Its not 100 percent
But they seemed possitive
"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gammons
has sucked for the last 4 years when it comes to breaking deals. Everybody's just too polite to tell him though.

I'll wait till Rosenthal says it.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The only
thing Gammons could say good about Murphy is that he will help us defensivly.
"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

senility
or brain damage?

by dubman on Jul 31, 2007 1:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he will have fun
sitting the bench behind torii hunter next year

by dubman on Jul 31, 2007 1:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Great
There goes all the positive energy created yesterday.  Hicks has to be loving all this wonderful financial flexibility!

by Taylor on Jul 31, 2007 1:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

link?
Mark Connor just shows up to the ballpark to collect a paycheck.

by jshcmp on Jul 31, 2007 1:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

im pissed
id rather have the picks

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM CDT   0 recs

Hey guys!!!
We have our CF of the future!!!!!!!
"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:33 PM CDT   0 recs

who
?

by knockoutking24 on Jul 31, 2007 1:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hahaha
even my Red Sox buddy cant believe this.  

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:34 PM CDT   0 recs

The deal
is set, the only thing that has to be done is negotiating with Gagne to get him to go...
"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:37 PM CDT   0 recs

Gabbard can take CJ's role in the pen
and move BGL to the rotation.
Me and Billy the Kid never got along. I didn't like the way he cocked his hat and he wore his gun all wrong.

by tricer on Jul 31, 2007 1:38 PM CDT   0 recs

fire JD
im back on the bandwagon

Murphy's MLB projection is Ryan Langerhans :(

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:40 PM CDT   0 recs

give me a break
But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Jul 31, 2007 1:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

on a scale of 1-10
i give this trade a 3

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you're going to fire him for this?
But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Jul 31, 2007 1:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Too kind
I give it a .5, as it's the trade equivalent of pouring concentrated HCL in your eyes.

Lonestarball - come for your chemistry lessons.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

bleh
I'd expect this for Benoit..but for gagne?!?!?

Damn Towers/melvin for setting our expectations so high...

Sooooo underwhelming...

by HypoLuxa on Jul 31, 2007 1:40 PM CDT   0 recs

Incidently...
Peter Gammons said that JD would have done well if he gets Gabbard and Murphy for Gagne. I can't imagine why he'd say that lol.

by slimshadty12 on Jul 31, 2007 1:40 PM CDT   0 recs

Peter gammons
getting perliously close to "die in a fire" levels right now.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So
we got a #5 starter and a #9 hitter for ERic Gagne. Just say that to yourself 4 times, I'll still be here when you're done weeping.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:41 PM CDT   0 recs

Crap
Gabbard I can live with, he seems like a pretty interesting 5th starter/LH reliever...but if the second player is Murphy then this deal really does suck. I'd seriously rather have the draft picks than Gabbard and Murphy...

by jcir454 on Jul 31, 2007 1:41 PM CDT   0 recs

That is my take as well
Murphy doesn't impress me at all.

by bflood36 on Jul 31, 2007 1:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

can we please trade for
kevin towers?

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM CDT   0 recs

Update from
ESPN coming up in a second...
"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:43 PM CDT   0 recs

update on gagne
after the commercial brake

hopefully he said no

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:43 PM CDT   0 recs

Jinx
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10

haha

"I wanted to punch him with every fist on my body!"

by miles on Jul 31, 2007 1:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ticket just said...
that it's Gabbard, Murphy AND another minor leaguer...but that's the first I've seen of that.

There's HOPE!

Let the trading frenzy begin!!!

by ortonius on Jul 31, 2007 1:44 PM CDT   0 recs

That minor leaguer
better be someone like Bowden.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

has to be
because gabbard + murphy is a joke

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wrap your head around 2 things people
  1. Keeping gagne is a waste.
  2. Draft picks, sure they are nice and shiny and get a fancy rating when they are young, but the chances of them being even AS successful as the two players we got, small.
  3. This is most likely the best we could get, so quit acting like JD got fleeced or something. and no no NO you dont want to fucking keep him.

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM CDT   0 recs

Ok I got on a roll
Wrap your head around THREE things.

by TexGoesYard on Jul 31, 2007 1:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok
so what would bring back more in a trade.
  1. Michael Main dominating in low A
  2. Kason Gabbard getting destroyed in MLB.
Your farm system isn't just for player development, it's also for trade acquisition, and right now Michael Main and Julio Bourbon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>David Murphy and Kason Gabbard in both trade value and actual value. Cause you know, it's not entirely confirmed that both suck.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 31, 2007 1:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Getting destroyed?
Can u fricken read numbers?  Man, a career sub 4.00 ERA in MLB is really getting destroyed??  Yep, he's getting destroyed in the majors alright.

If you're talking about his #'s in the minors is one thing, to open ur mouth and say something stupid like that.  Get the facts straight.

by Coolbean04 on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

point 3
is completely stupid

why is this the best JD can do when Chad Cordero and Scott Linebrink can fetch better prospects?

by kumar75150 on Jul 31, 2007 1:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Its what
an hour before the deadline? This isnt a video game, shit has to get done.

by TexGoesYar