Bob and Dan are idiots
Ok, I don't really think they are idiots, but I knew that would get attention. While I don't think they are idiots they are wrong on both points they tried to make today. (For those not familiar Bob and Dan are the afternoon 12-3 hosts on Sportsradio 1310 The Ticket)
First, Dan said Grieve was being ridiculous Ranger announcer when he said something along the lines of Guthrie, Bedard and Cabrera were a very tough to hit threesome and that he couldn't think of a team with a tougher three to hit. Ummm, Dan, take a look at the numbers. There are only 7 teams with 3 pitchers ranked in the top 50 in MLB in batting average against. Below are those teams with the three pitchers and their rank. Only the Cubs have 3 pitchers with a current better average ranking... Again, this is not ERA, it is batting average against which is what Grieve was referring to (when he said hardest to HIT). Admittedly, Oakland is right there close also, but I do not think Tom Grieve's statement was a stretch.
CHC Rich Hill 11
Jason Marquis 13
Ted Lilly 14
BAL Jeremy Guthrie 4
Erik Bedard 9
Daniel Cabrera 35
OAK Dan Haren 2
Joe Blanton 21
Chad Gaudin 31
NYM Oliver Pérez 3
John Maine 7
Tom Glavine 50
CWS Javier Vázquez 12
Mark Buehrle 30
Jon Garland 39
BOS Josh Beckett 23
Dicek Matsuzaka 24
Tim Wakefield 36
SF Matt Cain 17
Noah Lowry 29
Barry Zito 38
Next, Bob tried to make the point that perhaps the Rangers have been buying into Ron Washington's patience at the plate theory since Mark Teixeira has been out. Since Tex had the fight with Wash about being patient early in the season, his theory was that players were getting in line behind Tex, but with Tex out of the lineup they are now getting in line behind Wash. Now there are lots of ways to measure this, but the simplest is number of pitches per plate appearance. Oakland, Boston and the Yankees are continuously at the top in this category which reflects what we believe to be their batters ability to work pitchers. Teixeira has been out 30 days, so it works out to use stats from the last 30 days (courtesy MLB.com). In that stretch, the Rangers are averaging 3.83 P/PA. Prior to that, with Tex in the lineup, the Rangers were averaging 3.87 P/PA. They ranked 5th in the AL on both counts. Bottom line is that there is no evidence in the NP/PA numbers to suggest that the Ranger have been any more patient with Tex out of the lineup than with Tex in the lineup (if anything, they have seen fewer pitches in his absence). YTD Boston, Cleveland, Oakland and NYY are the top four teams with Texas ranking 5th in NP/PA.
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they are idiots
by weslyenkid01 on Jul 9, 2007 1:23 PM CDT 0 recs
Don't listen
by badradiorules on Jul 9, 2007 1:29 PM CDT 0 recs
I thought that was what the Hardline was for?
BaD Radio = Soccer talk and Ghetto Jeopardy
Hardline = see above
by jamcadbury on
Jul 9, 2007 1:32 PM CDT
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You forgot
by DJCahill on
Jul 9, 2007 1:34 PM CDT
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I think it's more like
Norm = screaming sports points
BaD radio = minority and gay shtick
Hardline = potty humor and chick shtick
by badradiorules on
Jul 9, 2007 1:37 PM CDT
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No, He didn't.
by BudLight on Jul 9, 2007 1:29 PM CDT 0 recs
yea after dan corrected
by weslyenkid01 on
Jul 9, 2007 1:37 PM CDT
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I am convinced
by manny being manny on Jul 9, 2007 1:30 PM CDT 0 recs
Pitches seen
When watching the games, it does seem like they are more patient late in games, taking walks and frustrating bullpens.
by mattrpav on Jul 9, 2007 1:33 PM CDT 0 recs
I might spend more time on this
By the way, I think it is worth noting that they are pretty good at working pitchers either way (5th in NP/PA). I think most people perceive them to be a free swinging club, but the numbers seem to say they are better than average at patience.
by Brandon Wilson on
Jul 9, 2007 1:39 PM CDT
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With the line-up we've been running out there.....
by tklawless on
Jul 9, 2007 6:41 PM CDT
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The Ticket may not be perfection
And while I can't say I enjoy Dan and Donovan's petty squabbles, nor the endless, wearisome Tom Gribble laugh songs, I far prefer them to Dan Patrick-or whoever ESPN may have hired to replace him.
by BudLight on Jul 9, 2007 1:49 PM CDT 0 recs
completely agree..
by j d on
Jul 9, 2007 2:19 PM CDT
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They are much better than the competition
by cgolden on
Jul 9, 2007 2:43 PM CDT
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I agree
by manny being manny on Jul 9, 2007 1:54 PM CDT 0 recs
BaD Radio
by Brandon Wilson on
Jul 9, 2007 2:04 PM CDT
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Check out the big brain on BaD
Any show with Greggo the Idiot is way worse than BaD radio. Next time you listen to the Hardline, notice something: everything that comes out of Greggo's mouth is 100%, completely, WRONG.
by rangerdanger on
Jul 9, 2007 2:15 PM CDT
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I'd put BaD radio on the top
by cgolden on
Jul 9, 2007 2:35 PM CDT
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TR
by rangerdanger on
Jul 9, 2007 2:49 PM CDT
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agreed
by rentz on
Jul 9, 2007 3:41 PM CDT
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Tex and plate patience
Despite being out the last month, Tex is tied with Lofton for the team lead in walks, with 37. Maybe it's just me, but is that the mark of a free swinger? I don't think so.
I normally like Bob's take on the Rangers (not so much Dan's) but they both missed the boat pretty badly today.
by RCCook on Jul 9, 2007 1:57 PM CDT 0 recs
yep
by Brandon Wilson on
Jul 9, 2007 2:05 PM CDT
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Their bit
I know, we all rip Hicks. But these guys go completely overboard with it.
by BudLight on Jul 9, 2007 2:02 PM CDT 0 recs
The Ticket
by Clueless on Jul 9, 2007 2:15 PM CDT 0 recs
the toughest
Nolan Ryan
by willamos2 on Jul 9, 2007 3:07 PM CDT 0 recs
Ryan
by Brandon Wilson on
Jul 9, 2007 3:11 PM CDT
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Agree
by cgolden on
Jul 9, 2007 3:23 PM CDT
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