Porcello getting a major league deal
The Tigers are reportedly on the verge of signing Rick Porcello to a major league contract worth $7.7 million.
As I said at draft time, the main problem with Porcello wasn't the money, it was his desire for a major league contract, since a major league deal means he has to stick for good at the major league level by age 22. As a point of reference, if Eric Hurley had signed a major league deal when he was drafted, he'd be out of options after this year and would have to stick on the major league roster from 2008 on.
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Porcello.
by chief on Aug 14, 2007 8:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Except Verlander was 3 yrs older, and in college
by Brian Thomas on Aug 14, 2007 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Justin Verlander
by rangeressary on Aug 14, 2007 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There isn't
by Brett Perryman on Aug 14, 2007 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with what you're saying...
My point was simply that Verlander wasn't a good comparison. I mean, Verlander was a surefire stud with a college pedigree who went 2nd overall.
by rangeressary on Aug 14, 2007 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I think there are parallels between the two. He's Josh Beckett probably. The problem with him is his demands for a big league contract.
by badradiorules on Aug 14, 2007 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
It's not very objective of me, but if Dombrowski's up for this contract the kid sounds like a sure thing...
by hightowersmith on Aug 14, 2007 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's kind of my attitude
by Brett Perryman on Aug 14, 2007 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dombrowski
by thedirkatron on Aug 14, 2007 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sleeth
Kid utterly hit a wall in AA. College pitcher, strange.
by hightowersmith on Aug 14, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baugh was before him
by Brett Perryman on Aug 14, 2007 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah
Sleeth illustrates my point though... Sometimes shit just happens with pitchers, no matter how good an evaluator you are.
Or at least I think that was my point.
It's late.
by thedirkatron on Aug 15, 2007 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
by i hit straight ball very much on Aug 14, 2007 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
7.7 million
He might be worth it, and that team sure knows how to evaluate pitchers, but it's still a rather big risk.
by rangeressary on Aug 14, 2007 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
big risk
7.7 mil on Porcello (for what 4-5 years)
OR
30 mil on Padilla (3 years)
by Brandon Wilson on Aug 14, 2007 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
One minor leaguer who pays off, and gives you 6 years of below market performance pays for a lot of busts.
by DJCahill on Aug 14, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
But diminishing Padilla's accomplishments, even such as they are, is a little much.
Do you really not expect Padilla to bounce back or, at worst, find a bullpen role, before his contract is up?
I like the Porcello kid and I like the contract, but he's got a long way to go before he throws a ML pitch, something Padilla's done a few thousands times in his ML career already.
by hightowersmith on Aug 14, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't expect Padilla
by DJCahill on Aug 14, 2007 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Significant Risks
Porcello may never pitch in a major league game. That's a real possibility that you have to consider based on history.
I've written diaries before on the less than pleasant results that usually come from drafting a high school pitcher in the first round (under a third will ever make the majors, and only around 13% will ever be considered good major league pitchers). So if you want to know why I consider it a risk you can look those up (sorry, but it would be way too long to writeup as a comment). The Hardball Times has also done a few really good analyses of the risks of drafting high school pitchers. You should check them out if you get a chance.
I will make this comparison. Since most of us would agree that Porcello is the best high school pitcher in the draft, let's look at high school pitchers that were taken first in the draft for a comparison. The #1 high school pitchers are usually drafted in the top five picks in their respective drafts, with only J.M. Gold (1998) not being taken in the top 10. That should be a relatively fair comparison, right?
Of the #1 high school pitchers taken in the drafts from 1990-2004:
- Only seven (of the 15) have ever pitched an inning in the major leagues.
- Only five broke the 100 IP barrier.
- Only Josh Beckett, Kerry Wood, and maybe John Danks someday will ever be considered above average pitchers.
So would I rather sign a league average pitcher (Padilla has a career 101 ERA+) to a 3 year - 30 million contract than take a risk on Porcello? Probably, since 10 million's probably going to be about the going rate for a #3-4 starter after this offseason. But that's me and I almost always value actual production over potential. Others think differently and both approaches have been shown to work at the major league level.
by rangeressary on Aug 14, 2007 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
risk vs reward
The issue here is whther paying the current market prices (i.e. overpaying) for mediocrity is more or less risky than overpaying for potential.
By your analysis 2 out of 15 top HS pitchers have become ace material. So by my calculation signing 4 Porcello types (which one should be able to do for the money guaranteed to Padilla) gives you a 45% chance to have an ace. Spending that money on Padilla gives you what? A 50% chance to have a slightly above pitcher (with a 50% chance of a slightly below average pitcher). Now the downside with a Padilla-type may not be as bad (although Padilla is testing that theory), but the upside is also absent. Given that I'd prefer a 45% chance at an ace.
The bigger issue is that you won't have an opportunity to pick a Porcello type every year (although your analysis of the drafts assume that the top HS pitcher is a Porcello type).
by Brandon Wilson on Aug 14, 2007 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I may pose a question to the board..
We all know the object of this year's draft was to re-stock the system. Now with the Latin kids, and the kids in lower levels looking good, can the Rangers afford to risk signing a guy to a big contract in the hopes he becomes the next Verlander yet not be hamstrung if he turns out to be the next Van Poppel?
I know you can never let up on the gas when it comes to keeping your farm stocked, but I think if Alvarez comes out and says he wants a Major league contract and won't sign for anything less than $10 mill we are in a position where we don't have to shy away.
by HypoLuxa on Aug 14, 2007 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Alvarez
Right now the ones ahead of the Rangers are no shrinking violets. SF has cash, and it even looks like the Devil Rays will go over $10m on Price this year. And they're like 6 games ahead for the #1 2007 pick. Pittsburgh I'm less worried about than Cinci...
by hightowersmith on Aug 14, 2007 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I agree SF is a scary problem, but TB, Cincy and Pitt don't really scare me.
by thedirkatron on Aug 14, 2007 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=200
Price, the Vanderbilt lefthander who was Baseball America's College Player of the Year and the consensus top prospect, always figured to exceed the top deals from the 2006 draft ($5.45 million to the Tigers' Andrew Miller, the seventh overall pick, and $5.25 million to the Royals' Luke Hochevar, the top choice). Price and agent Bo McKinnis reportedly were seeking a major league deal in the $8 million range, and Porcello's deal could push Price's worth closer to $10 million.
by hightowersmith on Aug 14, 2007 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course we'd do that
- He's a college player.
- He's a position player.
- We did it before, w/ a lesser talent.
- And when we did do it, it worked out pretty well.
by Brian Thomas on Aug 14, 2007 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are you alluding to...
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 14, 2007 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marky Mark
by Brian Thomas on Aug 14, 2007 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
by Adam J. Morris on Aug 14, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to Alvarez, though
by Brian Thomas on Aug 14, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alvarez
by HypoLuxa on Aug 14, 2007 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Harvey
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=198#comment-377
Not looking good on the Angels getting Harvey. I'd be surprised if that happened.
Posted by Jim Callis | August 14, 2007 at 9:27 am |
Matt Harvey sounds like the John Nash of the first round. I think he just wants to go drink beers in college a few years... Dude was not ready to turn pro.
by hightowersmith on Aug 14, 2007 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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