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List of Americans that have played in the Dominican Winter League

List of americans that have played in the Dominican Winter League...  NOT INCLUDING MEXICO, VENEZUELA, PUERTO RICO. Only Dominican Republic.  If you include those other three countries the list grow greatly.

At first I wanted to make a list of Texas Rangers only, but it is too complicated...

(This is NOT A COMPLETE LIST..and I know I am missing many more including some MLB Hall of Famers. For example Willie Mays and Roger Maris played for the "Estrellas Orientales" team here, but I cannot find a full roster year by year from that team, that same thing happen for other teams...)

I am not including all the cubans stars that have played in DR nor players from Panama, this is an all american list.

Year by year some 40 americans played in DR.  Some of them played for more than one season like Charlie Hough that played for several reason and is second in all time saves or Eric Byrnes that have come 4 times.

HITTERS:
Alonzo Perry (played in negro league, a Homer Machine...never played in MLB)
Dave Parker
Ralph Garr
Joe Orsulak
Bill Mazeroski
Willie Stargell
Harry Williams
Cy Perkins
Leroy Matlock
Bob Griffith
Roger Maris
Willie Kirkland
Willie Mays
Cool Papa Bell
Josh Gibson (The Black Babe Ruth)
Frank Howard
Bob Robertson
Willie Smith
Jim Dwyer
Larry Parrish
Dick Davis
Jim McDaniels
Dave Cash
Ralph Bryant
Chico Walker
Cecil Cooper
Howard Johnson
Steve Garvey
Butch Hobson
Hal King (played in TEXAS)
Jim Beauchamp
Tim Wallach
Bill Butler
Greg Brock
Tim Raines
Marquis Grisom
Tim Tolman
Fred McGriff
Nelson Simmons
Kevin Mitchell
Mickey Hatcher
Mike Scioscia
Mark Parent
Tony Phillips
Glenn Davis
Mark McGwire (He came as a 3B and released a month later, was replaced by Kelly Gruber)
Kelly Gruber
Ned Yost
Distefano, Benny
Todd Zeile
Ralph Bryant
Dion James
Jeff Conine
Abbott, Kurt
Randy Velarde
Fletcher, Darrin
RJ. Reynolds
Todd Hollandswort
Gerard Williams
Eric Byrnes
Mike Cameron
Stinnett, Kelly
Daubach, Brian
Bragg, Darren
Mike Piazza (didnt played but was like a bullpen catcher a season)
Chad Tracy
Mike Napoli
Ty Wigginton
Joey Votto
Kelly Shoppach
Jason Michaels
(I did not include Alex Rodriguez because in Dominican Republic he played as he legally is here DOMINICAN)

PITCHERS:
Satchel Paige
Gaylord Perry
Charlie Hough (played in TEXAS)
Ed Roebuck
Danny Coombs
Doug Rau
Mickey Mahler
John Tudor
Steve Howe
Ken Howell
Patterson, Bob
Plunk, Eric
Rick Sutcliffe
Kent Tekulve
Ken Mackenzie
Springfield, Dennis
Charlie Hough (played many years is second in all time saves / played in TEXAS)
Juan Berenguer
Rod Beck
Darren Holmes
Sparks, Steve
Orel Hershiser (played in TEXAS)
Rick Reed
Dave Veres
Doug Bair
Jeff Fassero
Rudy Seanez
Jim Ray
Jason Simontacchi
John Wetteland (played in TEXAS)
Jered Weaver (Pitched in the 2003 Panam Gamnes)

MANAGERS:
Tom LaSorda
Del Crandall
Phil Regan
John Roseboro
Terry Francona
Buck Rodgers
Del Grandall
Terry Collins
Art Howe
Bob Geren (It´s funny a local team fired him, days later Oakland hired him)
Tony Peña (dominican MLB Manager)
Felipe Alou (dominican MLB Manager)
Luis Pujols (dominican MLB Manager)
Manny Acta (dominican MLB Manager)
Al  Widmar
Carlos Tosca

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When I posted the diary about Julio Franco and said that he had more than 4,200 hits in his career including all PROFESSIONAL LEAGUES I also said that in those pro league many hall of famers have played.  
So here is a list to prove that this is not like a CLASS A league, a hit in this league is as difficult as in MLB. That is the reason why many american including future hall of famers have failed in this league.
I go beyond.. I can say that a January roster (when most MLB players star to play here) of at least 3 of the 6 teams here are much much much better than the current Texas Ranger roster.

by engelsol on Sep 8, 2007 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

No
You said that many HOFers had played in the Dominican league and been complete failures.

by Wonko.The.Sane on Sep 8, 2007 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you just trying to prove your point?
"a hit in this league is as difficult as in MLB"

That's a simply ridiculous statement.  You can't even say that about the Japanese league.  I know you're just trying to prove your point about Franco, but come on...let's be honest and realistic.

"I can say that a January roster (when most MLB players star to play here) of at least 3 of the 6 teams here are much much much better than the current Texas Ranger roster."

Sure, you can "say that," but it's not true.  For instance, let's take the team voted as the 2006 Dominican League All-Stars and see if they could handle the Rangers:

C - Carlos Ruiz
1B - Willis Otanez (not in majors)
2B - Anderson Hernandez
SS - Erik Aybar
3B - Wilson Betemit
LF - Nelson Cruz (yay!)
CF - Abraham Nunez
RF - Jose Bautista
Util - Esteban German

SP - Jared Fernandez
RP - Yhency Brazoban

Yeah right...

The reality is that most of the guys you listed didn't play but for a few games in the Dominican League or played whenever they were in A or AA ball, years before they were stars.

The league does have some good prospects that play in it, and a lot of guys that are on the cusp of the majors (the Rangers have sent down Volquez, Botts, Cruz, Arias, Benoit, etc. in recent years), so it's not like it's a walk in the park to get a hit, but saying that it's as difficult as in MLB is just silly.  The majority of the players are minor leaguers or guys barely cutting it in the pros.  

The big name guys that are from the Dominican may play in a few games every few years, but aren't regular players in the league.  They just do it to support Dominican baseball.  I think before last season a few extra Dominican stars played for a week or two to warm up for the World Baseball Classic, but only for that reason and not for a prolonged period of time.

by rangeressary on Sep 9, 2007 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

My argument has nothing to do with DR
as a place to play baseball.  It's a great place and a ton of great players have come from there, BUT the winter league is a good developmental league, but not on par with MLB.

by rangeressary on Sep 9, 2007 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

NO
I said that EVEN some hall of famers have failed here... not I didnt said that ALL of them.

Most of the american in this league were very good players here...They even keep some records...

by engelsol on Sep 8, 2007 6:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Most of these guy
played in DR a winter before they exploded as MLB stars...

by engelsol on Sep 8, 2007 6:53 PM CDT reply actions  

right
so you don't know of any hall of famers that have failed there, do you?  unless you are counting hall of famers who started their career or ended their career there, which fails to make any point.  

i don't really understand what you've been doing with your diaries but i know it's kind of annoying.

Forget Johnny Bench, we got Gerry "the Jet" Laird

by ab03 on Sep 8, 2007 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

also
orel hershiser never played in texas.  but steve howe, bob patterson, larry parrish, and i'm sure others on your list did
Forget Johnny Bench, we got Gerry "the Jet" Laird

by ab03 on Sep 8, 2007 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Todd Zeile
Also a Ranger.

Mike Scioscia...
Also a manager

Troy I.

by tdi1985 on Sep 9, 2007 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

nobody is slamming the DR.
and if they are, they are joking or simply misinformed.  it's a GREAT place for baseball.

and if i'm a pro, i def wanna go to winter league when i'm young and breaking into the bigs.  i'd either wanna go to puerto rico or the dominican.  i'd prefer DR.  

there's a special love for baseball there, as can be proved by a town called san pedro de marcuis (spelling???).  they have a great school/instructional place there.  kids there are in heaven if they love baseball.  in fact, i've posted a diary before about san pedro de marcuis, here's a copy and pasted blurb from it:

some info on san pedro de marcuis

population:  217,141

players that have made it to MLB:  too many. among the best...

OF - George Bell
OF - Rico Carty
OF - Sammy Sosa
1b/OF - Pedro Guerrero
2b - Robinson Cano
2b - Luis Castillo
2b - Juan Samuel
2b/OF - Alfonso Soriano
SS - Mariano Duncan
SS - Tony Fernandez
SS - Jose Offerman
SS - Rafael Ramirez
3b - Fernando Tatis

SP - Joaquin Andujar
SP - Daniel Cabrera
RP - Hector Carrasco
RP - Jesus Colome
RP - Jose Jimenez
RP - Guillermo Mota
RP - Jose Valverde
P - Julio Santana
P - Salmon Torres

Al Gore 2008 http://www.myspace.com/igotsculture

by gossamer on Sep 8, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Hm...
I may go down there next summer and attempt to procreate.  It would be nice to have a big leaguer in the family someday.
Ctrl - V

by Dustin on Sep 10, 2007 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

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