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by Adam J. Morris on Jan 23, 2008 9:43 AM CST in News Comment 87 comments

T.R. Sullivan has a new Around the Horn up, featuring the outfield, and providing some stats to help illustrate exactly how bad the Rangers' outfield production has been this century.

Sullivan says that the Rangers are looking at a Byrd/Hamilton/Bradley starting outfield, and while that's the best defensive outfield they've had in a long time, I don't think Byrd's bat is going to be good enough for him to play every day in left field.

And Evan Grant's #4 Ranger prospect is Michael Main...

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Damn,

I was really hoping Main might be 1 or 2 on his list. But still at number four this kids gonna be good.

The outfield, yes, is great defensivly. Byrd probably wont be a hitting machine. So why again isn't Murph at least platooning with him in left? Did no one besides me see that he has some serious potential? We don't need HR slappy happy players anymore. And I'm suprised Wash isn't in love with him. Singles and doubles are his specialty, in the short glimpse I got from him last season.

Fourth outfielder, yes. But he should get a fair shot at left because Byrd is also a good fourth outfielder.

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 9:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

the Murph will ..

get plenty of at bats J J. I'm not worried about that. As Evan Grant said in the past "David Murphy is a perfect match for Rudy Jaramillo". He will continue to get better and better.

Want to see Miles do a really great Hannibal Lechter impersonation? Tell him how wonderful you think Eli Manning is.

by LAMuscleFag on Jan 23, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

options

Murphy is one of the only players with options left and therefore will go down to start the season most likely.

by JKolar on Jan 23, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Either way,

you have a very solid player in Murph. Aguy who can play all three spots and has some pop in the bat. But I'd imagine that if Byrd is still here, he would go into the 4of role, being that he can play all three spots. If and when he leaves or goes down, then Murph would be called up.

But I really want Murph to be on this team. Perfect example of the players Wash is trying to esemble.

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

JD on MLBTR

Tim Dierkes asked MLBTradeRumors readers to submit questions for Jon Daniels. He'll be answering 5 or 6 of those in the near future. I asked, so maybe we'll be able to find out, how the Rangers are allowed to have 41 men on the 40 man roster for the time being.

by HaegerChamp on Jan 23, 2008 9:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

JMJ

J.D. - "This is a big year for him. He's going to have the opportunity to be challenged and we'll see how he responds."

So, is J.D. thinking about putting Mayberry at OKC and telling him to make us want to call you up? I don't think of AA as a "challenge" in the way J.D. sounds like he's using it here and with Boggs later in the article.

Scrutable Sulu

by shroomer on Jan 23, 2008 10:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think if anyone has a shot at making that

jump JMJ is the guy. He has some serious potential. Some things still need to get tweeked, but he would only benefit from making that jump.

I get intrigued by Boggs. Where does he start the season? Could you see him in Arlington playing center and Hamilton in right?

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

FWIW

I think we will see a platoon of Byrd(Murton?)and Murphy in LF.

I hope Main starts out in Clinton. Beaven then could move into Main's rotation spot when he moves up to Bakersfield. (I know, I am being overly optimistic.)

I think JMJ starts in Frisco with a quick call up to OKC.

Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969

by RangerMad on Jan 23, 2008 10:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Rotation in 2011

It would be nice to have a starting five in 2011 that looks something like this:

Hurley
Harrison
Kiker
Main
Beavan

Most likely, at MOST, 3 of those 5 will end up as viable options but it would still look pretty nice. Diamond, Feliz, Poveda, Font, Castillo, Phillips, Hunter, Ramirez - pretty nice to know that we've got quite a crop coming up in the future - and if we luck out and most of these guys pan out, we'll have a pretty damn solid home-grown bullpen in addition

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jan 23, 2008 10:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

From the pitchers below

Diamond, Feliz, Poveda, Font, Castillo, Phillips, Hunter, Ramirez

Who is the closer?

Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969

by RangerMad on Jan 23, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Feliz

by jparks77 on Jan 23, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

You think it's Feliz? I kind of picture Felize setting up for Diamon, like Rivera-Wettland or (briefly) K-Rod-Percival.

"But the major difference is where Showalter tried to overthink everything Washington at times seems like he isn't thinking at all. " - rentz

by hillcrest on Jan 23, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Definitely Feliz is the closer.

If the Rangers develop him as a reliever, I would bet he could be in the majors in the 2009 season.

If I owned a lightsaber, the blade color would be black light, so that I could use it to fight evil and to liven-up parties.

by rooster on Jan 23, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Based solely on what people have said

about his fastball. He was way beyond the competition at Spokane when he moved into a reliever role.

If I owned a lightsaber, the blade color would be black light, so that I could use it to fight evil and to liven-up parties.

by rooster on Jan 23, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Feliz

if he's not a starter, for sure. If not him, Diamond or Hunter I would say...

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jan 23, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What no BGR?

If he turns out to be the player everyone hopes, I think he will be here for a long time, like BGL. I really think that Beavan goes down with an arm injury, and I'm not saying that to be an ass. I really hope he doesn't.

Main has the chance to be converted to an outfielder if he doesn't pan out. Either way, he is the star of that class.

Kiker, I feel, has the best shot at being dominant. A classy guy who works hard and has all the right stuff to succeed. We might see him sooner than 2011.

Harrison and Hurley we should see be the end of the year.

That being said, I would love to see this rotation right now, BGR, BGL, Hurley, Harrison, and Gabbard. Stellar if you ask me.

And I'm sorry BGL for writing you into the top five but you are the best pitcher we have right now. You should be starting even though you look awesome coming out of the pen.

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

my bad

COMPLETELY forgot about him - but he does have a lot to prove, just like the rest of the team not named Mike Young

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jan 23, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Defense

will be much improved in the outfield this year. That's one reason I'm slightly optimistic the rotation will be at least average if they're healthy.

hurlerhurley has to drink a 6 pack just to have one for each of his usernames.

by t ball on Jan 23, 2008 11:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

if Bradley is really healthy

then that OF should be stellar defensively. I've wondered many times in the last few years how much better the pitching would look if the OF defense was better. Looks like we will find out, and I wouldn't be surprised if it makes a huge difference.

And you heard it here first -- Milton Bradley has a career year, stays healthy, loves Texas, and signs an extension.

Juevos Daniels: biggest stones in the business.

by tricer on Jan 23, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bradley reminds me of ManRam

to some extent. If he pulls it together he has a shot at making a lot of money.

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bradely = Poor Man's JD Drew

Title says it all.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 23, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bradley wont be back for opening day as an OFer

he just wont. no friggin way. and when he does come back it will take a while to get his defense back up to speed. These ppl who are expecting a huge improvemnt are gonna be disappointed. I have no doubt josh will be fantastic in OF, and if Bradley comes back 100% at some point we will be a pretty good fielding OF but, i dont think MB coming back and being in ST and fielding and all like nothing happened, well, it just aint gonna happen. i hope every1 realizes this, or at least keeps it in mind.

.500 or bust!

by Jayslick on Jan 23, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Well, boys, it's a round ball and a round bat and you got to hit the ball square. ~Joe Schultz, 1969

by RangerMad on Jan 23, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah - we'll just have to wait and see

but at least on paper, healthy, this team looks pretty damn promising compared to years' past

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jan 23, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Curious

What about Bradley reminds you of Manny?

by jparks77 on Jan 23, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"What about Bradley..."

...reminds you of Manny?"

He played for CLE?

by HaegerChamp on Jan 23, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well....

we may utter the phrase "Bradley being Bradley" on occasion this year.

If I owned a lightsaber, the blade color would be black light, so that I could use it to fight evil and to liven-up parties.

by rooster on Jan 23, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno,

I just feel that he has all the tools to be as productive as manny. He just can't put it together for a full season.

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure

you realize just how truly great Manuel Aristides Ramirez is.

Check his stats.

He's a career .313/.409/.593 hitter. That's an OPS north of 1.000. I mean... DAMN, that's incredible. He's one of the truly great hitters of our generation. He has a career ops+ of 154. Last year he had a horrible year by his standards and still nearly had a .900 ops.

Look, I love Milton Bradley. If you go back and check my comments you'll see he was the guy I wanted to go after all off season as a COF (although most people around here only remember my obsession with Corey Patterson as a BORP/CF-option). But he's simply not in Man-Ram's class as a hitter.

Check Bradley's stats. He's the kind of guy who's a threat to hit .300/.400/.500, which is very good, and certainly better than anything we've gotten out of our OF in a long time.

But it ain't Manny.

You're comparing an all-star to a no-doubt HOF'er, imo.

The 40 (still) trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jan 23, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe he meant

Milton can be our "Little Manny?"

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jan 23, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's the problem

nobody ever knows what he means with the exception of NYCMuscleFAg and whoever else can decipher his language. Once we get beyond that leap, we have comments like this.

LSB : Trolls :: Rangers : 4th OF'ers

by Chase Irwin on Jan 23, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well Ms. Irwin maybe you're

one of the few that don't know what he means
or choose not to "get it" so that you can bitch about it every night. Are ya that bored with your life?
I think most of us understand what he means and maybe don't agree but we choose not to browbeat the f@ck out of him like you you evil little bit of work. I don't agree with his Bradley/Ramirez comparisons but he has that right to debate anything he wants to on here. You don't have to read his posts if you don't want to. I've been avoiding yours for ages now :) So why don't you just relax for once in your life and stop trying to be the damn blog warden. You're not perfect trust me not even close. And yes your shit does stink if you're not smelling it maybe you should just get closer to it and take a bigger whiff. You ingnorant slut.

Want to see Miles do a really great Hannibal Lechter impersonation? Tell him how wonderful you think Eli Manning is.

by LAMuscleFag on Jan 23, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

Trust me, if any of his comments are longer than a sentence, I don't hesitate to skip over them. But, then again he can produce "Bradley reminds me of ManRam" type ideas in one sentence.

You aren't avoiding my posts, but responding in length. Oh, the word is spelled "ignorant." How ironic. Anyways, continue to reach self-fulfillment by sifting through his "posts." That's obviously not as boring as my life, somehow.

LSB : Trolls :: Rangers : 4th OF'ers

by Chase Irwin on Jan 23, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ya I guess we can add you to the troll list right?

No reason to say "That's the problem
nobody ever knows what he means with the exception of NYCMuscleFAg and whoever else can decipher his language. Once we get beyond that leap, we have comments like this."

Really? Let me tell you the problem. Guys like you only see everything out of one eye. R U following? Open up the other eye. You still there? Okay read my statement again. It says I feel like we have our version of manny.

No I didn't look at stats. I based that on my personal thoughts. The way that I view Bradley. Is that wrong to think that way? You would say yes because you see my statement as being total false due to stats. Im I correct?

So next time you want to bitch about the way I feel about something due that. Do what Dirk did and give me some stats. Don't be like the other bitches on here that get off by making stupid ass assumtions about me. Okay, troll?

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

C abuv

LSB : Trolls :: Rangers : 4th OF'ers

by Chase Irwin on Jan 23, 2008 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay but you want to sit here and have some

snobbish remarks when someone spells a word wrong? God your about as ignorant as they can be. I don't intend to have everyone agree with me. And I certainly dont agree with everybody here. But Im not going to knock them about the way they spell. Or about the way they write. Why waste me time doing that.

It's people like you who have made this site go to hell. Please argue with my statement. Not about my writing. And if you can't understand what I write then ask. Don't be an ass about alright?

I really am not even sure why I keep arguing with guys like you. I understand you don't like NYTXFAN. Im not saying thats not okay. Shit I don't like Brett, but Im not gonna sit here and bother wasting my time with you. Just accept the way I am. It seems like guys have done that with Sharky, Hurlerhruley, and so on.

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry

I refuse to accept someone who refuses to care about the way they express themselves on a message board. It sort of, ahem, defeats the purpose?

Your ideas aren't cogent enough (Bradley = ManRam was the last straw) to be worth the awfully distracting manner in which you phrase them. So yeah, this will be the last time that I respond to one of your posts, hopefully vice versa. Please don't spam the board is all I ask, at least until 2.0 is released.

LSB : Trolls :: Rangers : 4th OF'ers

by Chase Irwin on Jan 23, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I dont get it?

I make a comparison and you get so upset that its the last straw, why? People like yourself need to realize that not everybody writes with as much intellect as yourself. Why knock me for it? R U mad because I post my thoughts? And what is so wrong about the way I express my feelings? What R U a therapist? Do I need to keep asking questions or can we kiss and make up? I thought you didn't read my comments when they were more than a sentance? hAhAhA

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Basically

It's because you're dumb. You're a dumb guy.

by brettgardner on Jan 24, 2008 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Milton being Milton

of course I really don''t look into stats as deep as some around here. I think the comparision of all star to hall of famer is about right though.

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

don't worry about it

I get what you are saying - keep being yourself, and forget everybody that comments negatively - they have the right to do so, and you just have to say FIDO - Fuck it, drink on, when they get their panties in a wad and move on

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jan 24, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

FIDO, hell yeah

that's cool man.

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 25, 2008 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank for the input,

I guess what I meant is he can be this teams"MANNY". A guy that can put up some pretty good numbers. I never really wanted or intended to directly compare him to Mr Ramirez.

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Quote

"I just feel that he has all the tools to be as productive as manny." Sounds like a direct comparison to me.

Oh Man!!!!

by SwiperNoSwiping on Jan 23, 2008 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LoL

But yeah take it for a grain of salt because I dont know what Im talking about.

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Clearly

Oh Man!!!!

by SwiperNoSwiping on Jan 23, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Its a fair statement

Mannys career numbers are .313/ .409/ .513

He was saying Bradley has the potential to put up those numbers in a season not for his career. And he is correct in that statement.

2003 .321/ .421/ .501
2007 .306/ .402/ .545

Yes he was injured last year and has been throughout his career but it is accurate to say that Bradley could put up numbers comparable to Manny Ramirez. Will he...probably not....but he could and if he does he will be a great addition to the club.

by Steven on Jan 23, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You shorted Manny 80 points on his slugging

.593, not .513.

At least according to ESPN and BR.

That's pretty significant.

The 40 (still) trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jan 23, 2008 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh

LSB : Trolls :: Rangers : 4th OF'ers

by Chase Irwin on Jan 23, 2008 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bradley

In the 2 years you bring up he played a total of 162 games. So you took Bradley's absolute best years that happened to be only really half seasons to compare to Manny's AVERAGE year. So no, it's not accurate to say he could put up numbers comparably to Manny. Just for fun, lets look at Manny's 2 best years.

2000 .351/.457/.697
2002 .349/.450/.647

Oh Man!!!!

by SwiperNoSwiping on Jan 24, 2008 6:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What did you not understand

Yes he has the ability to put up numbers comparable to Manny Ramirez THIS SEASON. Not over his entire career, not over a 5 year span, not over the next few years but THIS YEAR. Will he.....probably not....COULD HE......Yes and he has shown that in the past.

by Steven on Jan 24, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No he doesn't

And no he hasn't.

Oh Man!!!!

by SwiperNoSwiping on Jan 24, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

even without the extension

have a big year, sign with someone else as a FA, and bring in some draft picks. Either way, Bradley have a GREAT year! (and all other of the one year contract players)

by outofnace on Jan 23, 2008 12:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Heath Ledger <---- breaking news..

a rolled up dollar bill and white powder found in apt. as per headline news.

Want to see Miles do a really great Hannibal Lechter impersonation? Tell him how wonderful you think Eli Manning is.

by LAMuscleFag on Jan 23, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Im surpised he didnt use $100 bills,

but seriously that is sad to see someone throw their live down the drain for some coke.

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He was a known coke user

eom

LSB : Trolls :: Rangers : 4th OF'ers

by Chase Irwin on Jan 23, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

FINALLY

The ahmad has come to LSB!

rejoice i have come to inject some knowledge on anything and everything and i shall start..NOW!

the rangers should trade the following sometime in the next 6 months...

jennings
cat
lard..i mean laird
padilla
milwood
byrd

and just for the heck of it the COWBOYS should get pacman in here!

the truth has spoken and the ahmad is out!

Free Palestine!

by The Ahmad on Jan 23, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Sounds like you'll fit right in...

"I've learned that before I open my mouth, I should look both ways for midgets." - Denny Crain

by mtex on Jan 23, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Your

an IDJIOT

Worst QB in the NFL...

by miles on Jan 23, 2008 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Check this out

http://homerderby.com it's a pretty good baseball site but if you scroll down a little it has implosoins'(sp) of different ballparks.

Piss off nut chucker... Boomer Sooner!

by boomer1 on Jan 23, 2008 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

A Nate Silver Tidbit

I didn't want to start a diary, and risk the wrath of Chase <j/k>.

"jromero (Seattle): What's PECOTA's take on the players Cincy and Texas swapped? (Josh Hamilton is one; can't recall the pitcher's name who came to Cincy.) Thanks!

Nate Silver: Well, PECOTA's quite optimistic on Hamilton, but that's one of those cases where PECOTA can't really tell you much of anything. There's no precedent to go on and barely even a decent sample size's worth of data, and he gets a good projection because what data we do have on him is good. Still, though, I think that was a fairly dubious trade by the Reds."

This is good news, eh?

You're hijacking the thread and being repetitive. Move forward.

by Rodney on Jan 23, 2008 4:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Noah Lowry

It looks as if the Giants are shopping Noah Lowry around. If the Rangers are interested where would trade talks begin?

Piss off nut chucker... Boomer Sooner!

by boomer1 on Jan 23, 2008 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

They'd probably ask for Teagarden

And probably an arm as well. My guess? Teagarden and Gabbard would prolly get it done.

He's not a good fit for us at all, so I'm not interested at all.

But if he's on the block some team will trade for him and end up overpaying for a guy who posted a sub-4 ERA and a 113 ERA+, but had very shaky peripherals (1.51 WHIP, 87 bb in only 156 ip, and doesn't K very many).

But he's a young left-handed pitcher who's had some success at the big league level, so someone will pay for him if he's available.

The 40 (still) trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jan 23, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Lowry

would be atrocious in Texas.

Juevos Daniels: biggest stones in the business.

by tricer on Jan 23, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Lowry

Agreed. He walks way too many batters.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Jan 23, 2008 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They need young hitters.

So... Salt E., Davis, Andrus, maybe Kinsler. At least one from that group would have to go to SF, maybe two.

If I owned a lightsaber, the blade color would be black light, so that I could use it to fight evil and to liven-up parties.

by rooster on Jan 23, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps for Lincecum...

not for Lowry...they may ask for Hank because they need a 3rd baseman but SF would have to include another player imo.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 23, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think..

Lincecum would require at least Hurley.

by Houston27 on Jan 23, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dream On !!

Lincecum isn't going anywhere. I've seen him pitch in person and he's truly amazing. They don't get much better for a young pitcher. San Fran would have to be nuts to get rid of him.

Want to see Miles do a really great Hannibal Lechter impersonation? Tell him how wonderful you think Eli Manning is.

by LAMuscleFag on Jan 23, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree..

I was just pointing out that Lincecum would have to start with Hurley. Not Teagarden. No doubt, Lincecum is a stud.

by Houston27 on Jan 23, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

the idea of him being dealt has been floated a few times.

He's an incredible talent, but his size and his violent arm action have led some to theorize he's prone for a big break down.

There's been some sentiment that the Giants should deal him now, at the apex of his value.

I think they keep him and build around him and Cain.

I'm just saying it's not preposterous to think he could dealt.

The 40 (still) trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jan 23, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I had seen rumors..

about him being dealt and did not understand why. You are probably right about his arm action, it is unusual and probably scares the Giants.

I read an article on Lincecum last year about how he never ices his arm. It mentions how his dad blames most pitching injuries on shitty teaching by pitching coaches at all levels. Apparently, they both have been studying tape of him (Lincecum) since he started pitching to prevent injury.

by Houston27 on Jan 23, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ditto...

That's the same stuff I've heard about why the Giants might consider dealing him.

But those just turned out to be rumors though... everything I've read lately says he's staying put. Which is too bad, really... if the Giants offered me Lincecum for Hurley, Teagarden and maybe a third prospect like German Duran or Engel Beltre, I'd do that deal. Hurley is gonna be good, but not as good as Lincecum will be... and Teagarden and Duran are currently blocked by Salty and Kinsler.

"The most important things in life are the things that are the least important" - Yogi Berra

by lonestarJon on Jan 23, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Minor League Ball

Start poking around Minor League Ball, and you will see all sorts of stuff about a future injury and Lincecum. I can't say for sure if any of this is true or not, but it makes you wonder. At the very least, I would rather bet on Lincecum than Liriano.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 23, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Never ices his arm

heard those sort of legends about Colt Griffin, too.

Not comping the two, obviously.

I've seen several breakdowns of Lincecum's mechanics that say they're basically perfect... but they still make people nervous just cause his arm moves so damn fast. Nothing you can really do about that. People will be talking about how he's one pitch away from TJ surgery his entire career.

The 40 (still) trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jan 23, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Here

check this out.

Great breakdown of Lincecum's mechanics at the University of Washington, complete with video clips.

The 40 (still) trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jan 23, 2008 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, great link...

That's some really cool stuff. Is there an anylasis of CJ Wilson's mechanics like that anywhere?

"The most important things in life are the things that are the least important" - Yogi Berra

by lonestarJon on Jan 23, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Never seen one of Chris-John

But maybe you could get Mr. Gomez to do one in his next feature if you e-mail him. That'd be fun.

If you're interested in that sort of thing (like I am) he breaks down guys in a similar fashion semi-regularly for TheHardBallTimes.

Here's a link to his archive. Carlos Zambrano, Peavy, Phil Hughes, Cain... he does quite a few, and they're all interesting reads, though he can come off sort of know-it-all-ish at times.

I wish things like that were available back when I was having trouble with my pitching mechanics back in high school. I still would've sucked, but maybe a little less so:)

The 40 (still) trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jan 23, 2008 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks...

I do find that stuff interesting, becuase... well it's interesting. And CJ's got one of the funkiest follow-through's I've ever seen. I don't know how he snaps that leg over like he does - it must be from all that yoga.

"The most important things in life are the things that are the least important" - Yogi Berra

by lonestarJon on Jan 24, 2008 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

Well said. I totally agree. That sort of analysis is interesting.

I wish there was more of that from the heavyweights. The ESPN's and the like. They have the resources to hire people with genuine insight into the game, and can provide those people with the means to disseminate that knowledge to us in impressive and interesting ways.

But when I watch baseball tonight I always seem to end up hearing shit like John Kruk and Steve Phillips debating, "Who's the grittier SS, Eckstein or Jeter?"

I feel like I'm getting dumber every time I turn that show on.

Thank Jeebus for the blogosphere.

/end rant

The 40 (still) trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jan 24, 2008 2:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by coolaid on Jan 24, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks!

very cool.

by Houston27 on Jan 24, 2008 7:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

odd...

...i brought up this same topic in a blog several weeks ago... and everybody seemed to disagree with me...

"...he's had that delivery for YEARS, and never suffered a major injury because of it..."

"...his delivery is very compact, see... it's not like he's flailing all around... you have no idea what you're talking about, oc..."

...but, then you say it, dirk... and everyone suddenly agreeeeeees...

how odd, wouldn't you say?

by oc on Jan 24, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Lincecum is the kind of guy you deal for

Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis, not Hurley and Blalock.

If I owned a lightsaber, the blade color would be black light, so that I could use it to fight evil and to liven-up parties.

by rooster on Jan 23, 2008 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps one but not both...

of Cabrera or Willis. My point was that you don't give up 2 of Salty, Davis, Andrus, and Kinsler for Lowry. You don't even do Kinsler or Salty for Lowry straight up. If you are giving up 2 of those players you better get more than just Lowry.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 24, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs