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OT: WBC to picket Heath Ledgers funeral.

The Westboro Baptist Church notorious for picketing funerals of high profile people, gay murder victims and fallen soldiers to spread its message that the war in Iraq is God's judgement for pro-gay attitudes posted a press release to its website godhatesfags.com
"Heath Ledger thought it was great fun defying God Almighty and his plain word. God hates the sordid tacky bucket of slime seasoned with vomit known as "Brokeback Mountain"- and he hates all persons having anything whatsoever to do with it"

OK this is what I refer to as religious nut jobs.
Spreading hate in the name of God. Of course this is only a minute fraction of those religious. But can you believe such venom over the death of this highly talented actor?

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I appreciate
your understanding of who these idiots really are.  It makes me sick to see people portray themselves as Christians and spew this kind of hatred and lies.  The Bible warned of false prophets and anti-Christs.  These are the people Paul warned us about.
Ephesians 1:3-10

by kwellborn on Jan 23, 2008 5:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...
"Tacky bucket of slime seasoned with vomit"

Seems like a pretty description of these "Christians"

by GhettoBear04 on Jan 23, 2008 5:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

haha yeh they sure..

do have a charming and eloquent way with words don't they?
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by LAMuscleFag on Jan 23, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that this shit...
is still around in 2008 is sad. It was only a matter of time before some of these ass-holes said "he had in comin'" because of that movie...it makes me ill.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 23, 2008 5:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

this is terribly unfortunate
But from what I understand about this group, they are more appropriately described as a "cult" along the lines of Jim Jones' Peoples Temple than a legitimate Christian congregation.
But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Jan 23, 2008 5:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

They also call themselves
"God Hates Fags" and that it is the name of their website.  The head bitch is on Stern from time to time, where she is rightly ridiculed.  

by brettgardner on Jan 23, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jeez, calm down guys
or should is say, "gays", yuck-yuck-yuck.

Maybe they just couldn't find their inner homo.

But, seriously... that shit is beyond stupid.

Just a bunch of crazy assholes trying to get attention.

Unfortunately they're hateful and crazy enough it's hard not to pay attention to them, i.e., this diary.

The 40 (still) trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jan 23, 2008 6:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

should I say
not "should is say".

Jeez.

The 40 (still) trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jan 23, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who gives a shit?
Why take the bait?

Every day, that question saves me some trouble.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jan 23, 2008 6:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1
Reading anything by NYTXFAN = trouble.
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by Chase Irwin on Jan 23, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

very strange
that the leader (Fred Phelps) was a civil rights leader.  Read his wikipedia page.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

His actions (and basically overnight spiral into dementia) suggest syphilis or a brain tumor.

by ab03 on Jan 23, 2008 6:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Probably Syphilis
most of those preachers preaching the loudest against sin, sin as often as possible so they know what they are preaching against.
"We should have bombed it (Auschwitz)"-President Bush

by DJCahill on Jan 24, 2008 8:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What exactly are they "picketing"?
Wouldn't it make more sense for them to go chant at living homosexuals than people that are dead?  Not that it makes much sense at all...I'm just saying.
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by willamos2 on Jan 23, 2008 6:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Bah
I was in Laramie and saw them picketing outside the courthouse after Matthew Shepherd's murder. Fuckin wackos.

Here's the thing I don't get - they said they're going to picket his funeral which I assume will be in Australia.  Those inbred dirteating hillbillies don't have two nickels to rub together let alone money to fly halfway around the world. Color me dubious.

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by WyoRanger on Jan 23, 2008 6:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

good point Wyo..

how on earth will a caravan of these freaks get to Australia. I'd hate to be on the flight that they were on. As you know since you've seen them they are often missing teeth, and just filled with hatred and probably smell. I'd sure as hell hate to have to sit next to one of them.
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by LAMuscleFag on Jan 23, 2008 7:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If they do go to Australia
we shouldn't let them back into the USA. If Australia lets them in over there, they can keep them.

by uthornfan on Jan 23, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL it's going to be like..

playing hot potato. Who the hell wants that crap in their country.
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by LAMuscleFag on Jan 23, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

These guys make me so mad...
This is the type of religious fanaticism that we should all take offense at.  As a Christian, I am particularly offended by them because they put words into the mouth of the God I worship.  They claim to be living witnesses of the God I worship.  That's offensive to me, because their actions and words are clearly not representative of Jesus Christ.  Anyone who would take thirty minutes to read through any of the gospels would know that.

by rangeressary on Jan 23, 2008 6:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

word
That is all.
But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Jan 23, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

religion
Worst thing that ever happened to humanity.
hurlerhurley has to drink a 6 pack just to have one for each of his usernames.

by t ball on Jan 23, 2008 7:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I said religion,
not belief.
hurlerhurley has to drink a 6 pack just to have one for each of his usernames.

by t ball on Jan 23, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know
And I don't really disagree but still...  
Oh Man!!!!

by SwiperNoSwiping on Jan 23, 2008 7:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In this situation...
In this situation I might say it was belief and not religion.  They hold to a belief that is clearly outside the norm of orthodox Christianity.  Therefore, it is their unorthodox beliefs that cause them to act this way, and not their religion.

by rangeressary on Jan 23, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

beliefs that...
...have their roots in the Bible, which is the book of the religion, no?
Obama - ??? 2008 : Real change we can all believe in.

by RangerMoto on Jan 23, 2008 10:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The belief has many roots
Their beliefs have roots in the common nature of mankind.  All people in their most natural state have a desire to hold themselves over other people and see themselves as better in some way or fashion.  This is the very heart of humanity according to Nietzsche.

So in one sense, the roots of their ideals are in a depraved human nature that craves power and desires to raise oneself above others by whatever means necessary.

The religious tie-in is secondary in my opinion.  They take parts of the Torah (Jewish holy book, which makes up the first five books of the Jewish Bible and Christian Bible) and use them to justify their hatred of a specific group of people.

The problem is that their interpretation is foreign to orthodox Judaism or Christianity.  They have these primal beliefs and urges for power, and attempt to justify them by coating them in a thin veneer of Christian terminology.

So is the root evil religion?  No, the root is the lust for power.  Is the problem religion?  No, because I believe if they were to conform their beliefs to some form of orthodox Judaism or Christianity then these actions would not happen.

by rangeressary on Jan 23, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not just Judaism or Christianity
ant traditional religion including Islam.

by rldwb on Jan 23, 2008 11:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I used those two
I used those two religions because the verses that they misinterpret use to justify their bigotry come specifically from the Torah.

But as I stated in my post the ideals at the heart of their bigotry are not due to the religion, but due to lust for power and desire to hold themselves above others.

This ideal is not constrained to religion though.  For instance, I live in a country where the government outlaws homosexuality and considers it to be a mental illness.  The government also requires all government officials to renounce any association to religion.

I therefore do not see the veneer of Christian terminology which this church uses as the problem.  I am disheartened by it, and think it misrepresents the faith that I believe and thus gives us a bad name.  Still, I think the issue that needs to be addressed with individuals is a lust for power and prideful desire to hold ourselves above others, which ironically is something that Jesus addressed and condemned regularly in the gospels.

by rangeressary on Jan 23, 2008 11:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It is why I am a recluse .......
I am not religious and do not want to be. I am OK in my skin ..... just cannot handle greed, hate, shallowness etc.

by rldwb on Jan 23, 2008 11:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Spirituality > Religion
I suppose it depends on how you interpret the word "religion."  In one sense, I agree that religion is the worst thing to happen to humanity.  If you say that Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Mormon, Hindu, etc. are religions, then I would agree that religion is a problem. Religion has given evil people a platform - and to some extent, a reason - to spread hatred.  These gay-bashers are akin to al Qaeda in that both are using a blasphemous religious platform in the name of hatred and false judgement.

While I personally count myself as a believer and practice the doctrines of Christian theology, I believe that it is possible that a great many religions may actually be based on the same premise and that all of our G/gods may be the same with the theology changing over thousands of years due to cultural differences;  similar to the protestant denominations.  In the end, most end up at the same place, but the Baptists can't stand the Methodists solely because they're ahead of them in the line at Furr's every Sunday afternoon.  

Spirituality is real, religion is a crutch.

by abc123 on Jan 24, 2008 12:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but at its base level...
...organized religion was created for purposes of controlling the masses, or said another way, power.  
Obama - ??? 2008 : Real change we can all believe in.

by RangerMoto on Jan 24, 2008 8:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that kinda shows my point...
I personally do not hold to the view you suggest, but even if you take Nietzsche's hypothesis (as you have stated, i.e. that religion and morality came about as a result of an oppressed class wanting to create a system of beliefs that they could hold against their ruling class) then you admit that religion in and of itself is not the evil.  Religion in this scenario is simply one means by which the lust for power can be abused.

As such, without religion the power hungry would simply find their way in labor unions or political parties, etc. and the evil in the world would continue.  That's why even in non-religious societies you still see great amounts of oppression (usually on the religious).

This view is not the majority view though.  Most scholars believe that religion came about as a means of motivating the necessary morality for survival.  People in and of themselves were unruly in their lust for power, and therefore the masses decided that the best way to respond to this dilemma was to create morality.  The association between necessary morality and religion came about when people began asking, "Why should I not kill my neighbor and take his food when I'm hungry?"  In an age where illnesses were not understood the gods were usually the source of death and phenomenon (such as the rising and setting of the sun) that were not understood became godly events.  As such, these godly events quickly became associated with and the motivation behind living moral lives.  In its earliest states there was no priestly class lusting for power themselves (as Nietzsche suggested), but instead a primal man relinquishing his desire to kill his neighbor because he feared that the great fireball in the sky might forbid it.

Whenever I studied ancient near eastern history in grad school this was the majority view by scholars studying the origins of religion, and I've not heard of a shift in academia since...although I'm not as in the loop as I used to be.

Of course, since I'm a Christian and actually believe in a real God and a real revelation of God in Jesus Christ, I hold neither of these views, heh.

by rangeressary on Jan 24, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

These topics
These types of topics were always so fun to debate during my history of religion and near easter history classes in grad school, but this is a baseball board, and not the best forum to discuss these things.  Furthermore, it's only loosely relevant to the topic of the diary.  As such, I think I'll go back to reading and posting about baseball.

RangerMoto, I don't think you and I are actually that far off in our belief as to the origin of the problem.  The difference is that you see religion as part of the root and I see it (in this line of thinking) as a result of the root (whether that result be reactive or acceptive).

Something we can all agree on is that Fred Phelps and this "church" are far off base, outside of orthodox religion in any form and act out and vocalize their beliefs in terrible, terrible ways.

by rangeressary on Jan 24, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally,
in an offseason as slow, and relatively uninteresting as this one, I am glad you took the time to write those.  They made for interesting reading.
"We should have bombed it (Auschwitz)"-President Bush

by DJCahill on Jan 24, 2008 10:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well Kyle you're just ..

a lit'l religious guru aren't you? Thanks for the insight. Well thankfully most people of religion are like you and not like those tooth missing, evil vermin that hide behind the guise of the Baptist Church. So which country is it that you live in which would deem RangerMoto and myself official nutjobs?
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by LAMuscleFag on Jan 24, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe he is in China
doing missionary work.
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by tricer on Jan 24, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

trust me...
...we need these respites from Rangers baseball from time to time.  LSB tends to be the place that a few of us prefer to discuss such things.

Thanks for your comments.  An interesting take.  I'll reply in more detail when I have time...maybe during a slow spring training game?

Obama - ??? 2008 : Real change we can all believe in.

by RangerMoto on Jan 24, 2008 10:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That is a true statement
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 23, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently you've never met 'Woman'
Heyyy-O!!!
The 40 (still) trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Jan 23, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

religion
was created to create a set of laws that, otherwise, really limited folks would have rules. All in all, really good.

I am totally not religious and a non- believer, in the traditional sense, but believe that in a few more generations this type of behavior will be virtually non-existent. People will find something else to hate if global warming doesn't get them first.

by rldwb on Jan 23, 2008 10:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As a minister
These guys make me mad. It's tough enough to be a minister and to try and help people but when you have people like this out there it gives Christians overall a bad name. In the past when these guys have threatened to do this, radio stations have come forward and have given this church and their minister free air time to come on and say what they want to say instead of picketing. The idea is that no one will listen. Maybe someone will come forward and do this again. Heath Ledger was no saint but this is ridiculous.

by kentbenfer on Jan 23, 2008 7:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1
Good post.  My wife and I had this exact discussion last night...I consider myself a Christian and a Republican, and in today's world, I'm kind of embarressed by both...you don't want the offiliation.   It's sad.  Morons like this give us a bad name.

by JB on Jan 23, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1
I agree completely.  The term "Christian" has become too big in my opinion.  In it's most basic meaning, "Christian" means a person who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ.  The problem is that it now includes many people who are not following the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus said that the two most important commandments were to follow the Jewish Shema, or to "love God with all of your heart, soul, mind and strength" but also to follow Leviticus 19:18 and to "love your neighbor as yourself."  There is no possible way to "love your neighbor as yourself" and do the detestable things that this church does.

They may claim to "follow Jesus" and thus the media may call them Christians, but the simple fact of the matter is that they are not following Jesus (and anyone can see that by reading the gospels).

by rangeressary on Jan 23, 2008 10:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Check this out
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article717685.ece

Play the Jack Nicholson video at the bottom.

First, it's utterly bizzare how many paparazzi surround him.

Then what he says, "I warned him".

Eli Manning is the best quarterback ever.

by Sharky on Jan 23, 2008 9:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ummm Sharky...don't let Miles..

see your signature. He'll start sticking needles in a doll that resembles you.
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by LAMuscleFag on Jan 23, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What does Miles have a new man crush by the
name of ELI?  LOL love the sig brother.
""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cant they pickett anything better than this?
You know high taxes, abortions, etc.

Seems silly to me.

""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 23, 2008 9:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

"R U the illigitamit one?"
That made it much clearer.  Hypocrites if you ask me.  I thought that was funny to see here answer.  That guy stoped them right in their tracks.  Religion has gotten way out of control and I'd rather teach my future kids religion at home, away from people like that.
""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 24, 2008 8:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the clip !

It was funny watching those hillbillies squirm a bit :),
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by LAMuscleFag on Jan 24, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So Sad
These people's ignorance is sad, I don't know what breeds this type of Hate, I'm sure its some kind of fear or confusion.  I'm glad this site is able to have a rational discussion without some jack ass getting offensive.  Also calling these guys Christians is like calling Timothy McVeigh a patriot.
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by 1man5tools on Jan 24, 2008 8:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one
who looked at the diary title and wondered why organized boxing cared about Heath Ledger's funeral?

by mparks on Jan 24, 2008 9:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Actually
I was wondering why the World Baseball Classic cared?
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by WyoRanger on Jan 24, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1
I thought the same thing.
""I love GOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLD" blueglovelefty

by NYTXFAN on Jan 24, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
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by LAMuscleFag on Jan 24, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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