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Celtics for real?

So with tonight's win the Celtics are now 28-3. This is the best start for any team since the shot-clock era began.

I realize they have played a soft schedule so far and have yet to play the elite in the West (Dallas, San Antonio, and Phoenix) but this team is for real. I think they are easily in the top 5 in the NBA right now with those 3 Wetern teams and the Pistons.

They have found a few bench players in Posey, House, Tony Allen, and Big Baby. Their defense has been great, and watching the "PGA Tour" has been a lot of fun. They did go 4-0 on a recent west-coast trip including wins over the Lakers and the Jazz as well.

I am not saying they will win it all. In fact I think they will lose in the Eastern Confrence finals to Detroit, but for the first time in over a decade watching the NBA is a option for me. I know there are a lot of Dallas fans here but I'm curious as to what you think. There is also a poll on you right as to how far you think this team will go.

Poll
How far will the C's go?
Bounced in the first round
3 votes
NBA Finals Champs
8 votes
Win the Eastern Confrence
12 votes
Lose in the Eastern Confrence Finals
5 votes
Lose in the Eastern Semi's
3 votes

31 votes | Poll has closed

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i had my doubts
but i'm a believer now.

as long as there are no injuries to the big 3...i see them winning 65.

i see them making it at least to the eastern conference finals.

i'm not sure dallas is an elite team anymore.

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by gossamer on Jan 4, 2008 9:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Area's of concern for me...
point guard/backup point guard play, playoff experience, and health.

I really like Rondo but he's not consistent enough yet. House is really a 2-guard off the bench.

I think Dallas is still elite, top 5, I did think they would do better than they have so far but there is a lot of season left and I see them going on a large roll eventually.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 4, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hope so
a lot rides on the playoff seeding i guess.

they aren't gonna be the 1 or 2 seed it looks like.  so it's likely they'll have to face the suns AND the spurs in the playoffs again.  

supposedly avery is real close to finding a lineup and sticking with it.  please, dear god, stop starting eddie jones.  and go ahead and dump juwon howard.  

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by gossamer on Jan 4, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What I want...
Michael Redd is on the trading block...

Terry, Diop, 2 1st round picks expiring KVH contract for Redd, and Gazuric

Lineup

Harris
Redd
Howard
Dirk
Damp

Ron Paul gets 10% in Iowa, and ready to dominate New Hampshire...

by miles on Jan 4, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol
good luck with that.

Michael Redd is worth way more than that.

"God plays by his own rules, folks. And HGH is f***ing legal as hell up in heaven." -Andy Pettitte

by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2008 8:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They need
salary relief which that would give them...

two frist rounders are alot.

Miles officially fully endorses Mike Huckabee.

by miles on Jan 5, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Two late first rounders
are basically worthless.

There's usually one or two teams willing to literally sell you a late first round pick if you want one.

And any deal where you get Terry back is not exactly salary relief.

If they're gonna deal Redd they're gonna want at least one good young player or complete and total salary relief.

You'd get laughed at for that deal if you proposed it.

"God plays by his own rules, folks. And HGH is f***ing legal as hell up in heaven." -Andy Pettitte

by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you know
michael redd could have very easily been a maverick. a few  years back, they signed him to an offer sheet but the bucks unfortunately matched it

by hinduplaya on Jan 5, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if you think they're not elite now
then they never have been...they're just playing out the season a little differently this year.  and they're only one game behind the Spurs, I'm sure you've noticed...

Eddie Jones is the best option as a starting 2 guard for this team...he CAN hit threes, keeping defenses from doubling as much on Dirk and J-Ho, and he plays a lot better defense than most on this team, which is actually saying something these days

I'd rather start Harris, J-Ho at the 2, Dirk and Bass at the 3 and 4, and Damp at the 5 in some circumstances, but in most cases give me Jones at the 2, allowing Terry, Stackhouse and Bass to be key impacts of the bench on offense and George, Hassell and Diop on defense

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jan 5, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I keep
to what I have been saying...

They have no bench with players that will wear down by the time playoffs come...

Don't beleive me, but I know I am right...

Ron Paul gets 10% in Iowa, and ready to dominate New Hampshire...

by miles on Jan 4, 2008 9:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

K
I won't believe you.
if you apologize for everything, you apologize for nothing...

by Longhorn on Jan 4, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok,
lets see how far that "loaded bench" takes them...
Ron Paul gets 10% in Iowa, and ready to dominate New Hampshire...

by miles on Jan 4, 2008 9:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i know they don't have depth
unless there's injury, i don't buy into this wearing down thing.

paul pierce is averaging 38:17 minutes a game.  that's slightly above his career average.

kevin garnett  is averaging 35:06 minutes a game.  that's the fewest since his rookie year.

ray allen is averaging 38:17. that's the fewest since 2002/2003.

rondo's 31 minutes shouldn't kill him.
house's 19 minutes shouldn't kill him.
posey's 22 minutes are a career low.

add to that the fact that when the season winds down and they have playoff seeding locked up, they'll rest the 3 amigos more.  

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by gossamer on Jan 4, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Garnett's a rock
but he's getting older.  still, you can pretty much count on him.

Allen and Pierce have both missed significant time in the last year...so you have to take that into account.  I think this team could survive an Allen injury and still make it pretty deep into the playoffs if not the finals, but if Pierce or Garnett go down, they're done

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jan 5, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they are in the east
the road to the championship really only consists of beating two good teams. the pistons, then whoever comes out of the west in the finals. the nba is rigged anyway. you don't think stern is going to do everything possible to get the celtics to the nba finals?

by selppuc on Jan 4, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yah because you HAVE to have good depth
to win an NBA title.

Either that or you need a human being so perfect that he's capable of falling down nine times and getting up ten times.

Have ever watched the playoffs, Miles?

Depth matters zero percent.

It's all about having marketable stars capable of keeping a game close enough so the league has a chance to Bavetta it, and having those marketable stars healthy.

"God plays by his own rules, folks. And HGH is f***ing legal as hell up in heaven." -Andy Pettitte

by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2008 8:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Every team
in the NBA has atleast one star so that argument doesn't really work anymore...
Miles officially fully endorses Mike Huckabee.

by miles on Jan 5, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol
That's a good one, Miles.
"God plays by his own rules, folks. And HGH is f***ing legal as hell up in heaven." -Andy Pettitte

by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2008 10:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok
cool.
Miles officially fully endorses Mike Huckabee.

by miles on Jan 5, 2008 10:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.
Rajon is good enough with Ray, Paul and KG around. Paul is playing like he's always played, but just because they've had garbage around him no one really notices. Glad he's a Celt and not a Mav. Kendrick Perkins a solid player inside, a very good offensive rebounder. Bench is loaded, with Posey, House, Davis, Allen, Scalabrine, Pollard: all solid all around players. And the main thing, every single player can shoot and shoot well.

The Boston Three Party is going far this year.

If Ainge somehow gets Andre Miller, there is no reason for any other team to show up against them, just go ahead and get ready for next year...

if you apologize for everything, you apologize for nothing...

by Longhorn on Jan 4, 2008 9:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

HAHA???
Bench is loaded?

Loaded with shit.

Eddie House????

Glenn Davis?!?!!?!

Scott Pollard?!?!??!

These are good players??? Please enlighten me.

Ron Paul gets 10% in Iowa, and ready to dominate New Hampshire...

by miles on Jan 4, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My guess is that you've
never watched one of their games.

28-3 explains alot about the bench.

if you apologize for everything, you apologize for nothing...

by Longhorn on Jan 4, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I have...
Regular season is one thing, and Playoffs is a whole nother...

Glenn Davis will hold up I am sure..  I mean its even hard for athletic college players to hold up an entire season because of the number of games more in the NBA.

Glenn Davis?

Right before the playoffs you will see Glenn Davis passed out because if he gets up he will die.

He will be saying "mmm donuts, get me some more god damned donuts!"

Posey?  He doesn't amount to anything.

And we know how SHITTY Eddie House is in the playoffs, or atleast I do!

Ron Paul gets 10% in Iowa, and ready to dominate New Hampshire...

by miles on Jan 4, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I realize that their bench...
is not the best in the NBA, but it doesn't have to be. Posey, T. Allen, and House are all solid however. They have played well, and I doubt Big Baby will "break down" as you say playing 10 minutes a night also.

For example tonight Ray Ray only had 2 points (in the final minute on FT's and was 0-9 from the field). Tony Allen scored 20 pts, Posey had 9 pts and 10 boards, and House chipped in 8. That is a pretty solid bench effort...all be it against the Griz.

You're argument about the bench, although a concern, is over-exaggerated.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 4, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Celts
they need more nationally televised games. It's pathetic to see Kevin Durant and the freaking Seattle Supersonics on national TV every few days...
if you apologize for everything, you apologize for nothing...

by Longhorn on Jan 4, 2008 9:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

bench
"I'm seeing players that are producing that I didn't expect to..." - Stephen A. Smith 2 minutes ago...
if you apologize for everything, you apologize for nothing...

by Longhorn on Jan 4, 2008 9:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Get
Stephen A. some cheese doodles or he will yell at you!!!!

The same guy that said that the Knicks would be big contenders this year and that the Nuggets have a great chance to go to the finals...

Ron Paul gets 10% in Iowa, and ready to dominate New Hampshire...

by miles on Jan 4, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well
if you knew the history of Smith and Ainge, i guess you would see the significance of that statement...
if you apologize for everything, you apologize for nothing...

by Longhorn on Jan 4, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I love
me some Stephen A. Smith..

The guy is such a class act, so respectable...

I hope to be as respected as him someday...

"I'm stephen A. Smith, everything I say is important!!"

Miles officially fully endorses Mike Huckaby.

by miles on Jan 4, 2008 10:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's a dick...
you made your point Miles. We get it.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 4, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Calm down...
Everything will be allright.
Miles officially fully endorses Mike Huckaby.

by miles on Jan 4, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Quoting SAS
-1.
Miles changes his signature too much.

by Chase Irwin on Jan 4, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

context
-1
if you apologize for everything, you apologize for nothing...

by Longhorn on Jan 4, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

are we
keeping a running tab on all of these subtractions and additions?  what's my score...?
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jan 5, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Until they start to win some tough games on the
road (and no, I refuse to count the Lakers or the Jazz as tough), I consider them about even with Detroit in the East, both a notch below most of the best teams in the West (SA, Phoenix, Dallas at a minimum).

Their bench sucks, and even though their big 3 have always played a ton of minutes, that doesn't mean they didn't wear down in previous seasons as well.  They'll now just do it all on the same team.

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by willamos2 on Jan 4, 2008 10:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you...
Someone with some sense...
Miles officially fully endorses Mike Huckaby.

by miles on Jan 4, 2008 10:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

MEDIA BIAS.
You all are just listening to ESPN to much, ofcourse they are going to praise Boston...  Its Boston, the same city as the Red Sox...

The Mavs had great starts like this the past years but that doesn't mean that they will win the damned championship.

So the 40 percent that voted that they would win the championship are misinformed.

You think they could beat even the Suns in a 7 game series?

No, the answer is no...

Miles officially fully endorses Mike Huckaby.

by miles on Jan 4, 2008 10:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

They are 28-3 Miles...
the Mavs have NOT had a start like this. As far as ESPN I don't know what the hell they say and I don't care. And no they can't beat the Suns in a 7 game series but many teams couldn't, that means nothing. They are still a good team.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 4, 2008 11:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yah
That's why those silly Patriots get so much press.

16-0? Who gives a crap!? They have no depth.

"God plays by his own rules, folks. And HGH is f***ing legal as hell up in heaven." -Andy Pettitte

by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2008 8:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Boston
and New York always get the attention..

Oh those Knicks, they are just so good.....

Miles officially fully endorses Mike Huckabee.

by miles on Jan 5, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The big team get all the attention
The Cowboys and Lakers get more attention than the Giants and Knicks, imo.

Not saying there's not an East Coast media bias, just saying that they tend to focus on teams and players people care the most about.

"God plays by his own rules, folks. And HGH is f***ing legal as hell up in heaven." -Andy Pettitte

by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2008 10:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope we beat the Lakers for the title
That'd be nice.

Actually, I'd rathe the Lakers didn't even make the playoffs.

by Sharky on Jan 4, 2008 11:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Celtics
Are they actually known as "The C's," or is that some recent ESPN-generated thing to make SportsCenter sound more hip?

I swear I'd never heard that nickname before last season, and I've been following the NBA since the Mavericks' first season.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Jan 4, 2008 11:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

C's
Made up by Shaq.
if you apologize for everything, you apologize for nothing...

by Longhorn on Jan 4, 2008 11:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, they have always been called the C's ...
... at least in Boston. A good friend of mine is a Boston Boy. It's the Pats, the C's, the B's (Bruins hockey) and the Sawx.

by Melmart1 on Jan 6, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Real
as in Utah last year real? Yes, very much so. Given that they play in a much weaker conference, I can see them making the finals, especially since the Pistons tend to wear down as the year goes on.

That said, real as in NBA Title real? No. Look at the teams they play, they get burned by dominant big men and good point guards. Most of the Western contenders have dominant low post bigmen or good point guards or both. I don't see how you can look at a matchup that involves Steve Nash or Tony Parker vs. Rajon Rondo and not expect coaches to exploit it for all its worth.

Also, the minutes do add up. 38 minutes per game might be the norm for players who were always "the man" on their team and playing for teams fighting to make the playoffs, but it's not really conducive to a long playoff season. Look at it this way, if you do make the finals, you'll most likely have played about 1/4 of the regular season . Even If you only play 4 games every round, that's 16 games. That's a lot of games, and the heavy minutes build up, especially for players in their 30s. It's part of the reason why Detroit fell apart last year, it's part of the reason that Dallas wore down, and it's why Phoenix always seems to run out of gas. Those minutes add up, and the Celts are playing ridiculous minutes for a team who is blowing teams out.

by FirebatM3 on Jan 5, 2008 1:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

+infiniti
Miles officially fully endorses Mike Huckabee.

by miles on Jan 5, 2008 1:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess
Big Baby took time out of his doughnut eating to play a game...

what bench?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280105008

if you apologize for everything, you apologize for nothing...

by Longhorn on Jan 5, 2008 11:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Big f'ing deal...
I remember Ager scred 20 points for us against the Warriors in the regular season also...

I garentee you after that game he went and ate a big fat batch of fried twinkies...

Miles officially fully endorses Mike Huckabee.

by miles on Jan 5, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

With the East Incredibly Weak ...
... I think that Boston has a very good chance to get to the Finals. But I think they will lose to almost any team from the West that would make the Finals.

So a few on their bench have intermittent good games? OK, let's see them sustain that with playoff intensity for two months ... How much deep playoff experience do these guys have? How many playoff contenders from the West have they faced yet to get a gauge on how they matchup up against real teams with a solid post presence or a true PG who can light it up?

They are real until proved otherwise, but I think that time to be proved is soon ...

by Melmart1 on Jan 6, 2008 9:34 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree
But there isn't any point in trying to prove a point to these daydreamers.

They are thinking of the days the Celtics used to be good like 30 years ago...

Great, there having a awesome regular season?

Playoffs is so much differn't.

It is called playoff experience...

Do they have any?

No.

Miles officially fully endorses Mike Huckabee.

by miles on Jan 6, 2008 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

*playoffs are
Miles officially fully endorses Mike Huckabee.

by miles on Jan 6, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

29-3...
beating the Pistons on the road is big. Bench stepped up again, I love what I'm seeing. I still think Chauncey > Rondo in a playoff series which would give the Pistons the edge but who knows.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 6, 2008 10:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

yawn...
Regular season, who cares...

When they start winning in the playoffs, you can start calling me an idiot...

But its not going to happen..

"That was I got hit by a fluor- fluorescent light bulb right in my spine! I swear, I cried for fifteen minutes." -Bernice Juach

by miles on Jan 6, 2008 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

first off..
I wouldn't call you a idiot. Second, how many NBA championships do the Mavs have? Lastly, the regular season does matter. If only for positioning, home court , and confidence in the playoffs.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 6, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The regular season matters ...
... to an extent. The part that really matters is the stretch run in march/april. Games before the All-Star break have some impact but not the same as the condition of your team heading into the playoffs.

Playoff savvy and being used to the increased play and intensity matters more than the regular season, imho. Your opponent is going to bring it harder than the regular season and you have to be ready to do the same. Boston may be ready but I doubt they can match the intensity and familiarity with each other that say a Spurs team would have.

I am just not ready to crown them yet.

by Melmart1 on Jan 6, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Neither am I...
but I will say this...I doubt that any player can match KG's intensity, and it has been infectious with this team, just look at their D compared to last year.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 6, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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