Pirates Snell Rumors

by trident on Jan 7, 2008 2:32 PM CST Comment 31 comments

According to MLBTR the Pirates are still considering shopping Ian Snell to the Mariners. The post states the M's would offer Jeff Clement but the Bucs would request Adam Jones.

In my mind, allowing Snell (a 26 year old top of the rotation power pitcher) to go cross division would be far and away our biggest offseason blunder this year. Does anyone else agree with this? I haven't seen Snell play, but his stats look great for a young pitcher with 4 years of service time remaining.

How much more than Salty would be required from the Buccos to make this trade? I wouldn't move Hurley, Tea, or Davis and would try to keep Harrison... but beyond that I think I'd give them anyone else they might want. Isn't this exactly what we're trying to add???? Young, quality starting pitching with 4 years of service time left.

If the M's pull this off and come at us for 4 years with a top of the rotation that reads Felix, Snell it won't matter how old the Angels try to get before opening day.

Anybody know anything about Snell that would make me not puke if this deal goes down?

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Salty for Snell

They'd do that, I'm sure. I don't think you have to add anymore.

But it does make me wonder... would Laird and Mayberry get it done?

by chief on Jan 7, 2008 2:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

If they traded Ian Snell for Laird/Mayberry

They deserve to be contracted.

"God plays by his own rules, folks. And HGH is f***ing legal as hell up in heaven." -Andy Pettitte

by thedirkatron on Jan 7, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Shhhhhh

It's a brilliant move. Laird is destined for greatness.

by Ajax on Jan 7, 2008 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You wouldn't move Tea...

...but would move Salty?

Or are you saying that you wouldn't move Salty and Tea in the same deal?

I think Salty>>>Tea, but I see your logic if you're saying the second one. I wouldn't want to move both or good young catchers in the same deal.

Snell would look great here, though I don't see him as a true "ace", just a solid 2/3. And tiny baby Jesus knows we could use a few solid 2/3-types.

"God plays by his own rules, folks. And HGH is f***ing legal as hell up in heaven." -Andy Pettitte

by thedirkatron on Jan 7, 2008 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Just wondering

Why would you give up Salty, but not Hurley, Tea, Davis or even Harrison

by badradiorules on Jan 7, 2008 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Salty

I'm saying Salty right off the bat because the Bucs have no impact catching prospects whatsoever. They wouldn't trade Snell for Hurley, Tea, or Davis either. Salty would be required, and I was saying I wouldn't include any of those 4 as a second player.

Regarding Tea I don't think they take that deal, but having him here makes it okay to trade Salty. I also prefer a catcher with plus defensive skills and I know Tea has them (hook em).

Additionally, somebody stated the Bucs would definitely take Salty straight up... and if that's the case we are CRAZY not to take it today. Dealing from a position of strength for a position or rarity, especially at the ML level for our club.

by trident on Jan 7, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That makes more sense

sorry

by badradiorules on Jan 7, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not Salty

I don't know why people keep bringing this up.

The Rangers CANNOT HIT. Adding another pitcher who'll have a 4 ERA won't do a hill of beans when the Rangers can only put up 3 runs a game. Without Salty, that lineup, already pretty anemic, becomes really ugly.

If the Pirates want to give up Snell for a young catcher, use Laird+ someone else or use one of our other young catchers as a centerpiece. But lay off of Salty (unless Snell comes with Jason Bay).

by JBImaknee on Jan 7, 2008 2:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

this is an easy one...

Salty hasn't proven jack crap yet. Snell has. And he's more than a 4.00 ERA pitcher...he's got a lot more potential than what he's shown already, and he's exactly what we need.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jan 7, 2008 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sorry

but I can't get all that excited about a guy who pitches okay (but not great) in the National League Central and whose team seems oddly interested in giving up on before he even hits his arbitration years. Its not like he's about to be a free agent or anything.

I think that Salty is a much better bet long-term than Ian Snell, and there is something amiss if Pirates do too (though that isn't actually a ringing endorsement)

by JBImaknee on Jan 8, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

let me break it down for you further

(sorry for the tone, I don't mean it to be rude):

Salty, Laird, Teagarden, Max Ramirez, Chris Stewart, etc. - all of the lower level guys - I will miss him if dealt, but only cause of his name and tattoos - dealing from a position of strength once again, for a position of rarity
Salty hasn't shown any kind of plus defense at the catcher position, and his "success" at the plate was limited to Atlanta
Snell is young, has an attitude about him, and has produced - maybe not as consistently as you would want, but only the top tier pitchers put up quality stats every time out and we're not going to get a Santana-type for Salty alone
The Pirates have a lot of young arms - that's their strength - that's why they're able to make this move IF they do - and they've coveted Salty for a year now...

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Jan 8, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Snell

This is the guy who abandoned his own surname in favor of his wife's when she gave birth to their child. For several years, he was known as Ian Oquendo.

He's also a little skinny guy who wilted in July/August last year.

I think he's a pretty nice young pitcher but probably not an ace in the making. He needs to eat something.

by Brian Hayes on Jan 7, 2008 2:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Snell

The last name thing I did not know about and that is dumb as hell.

But as far as wilting at the end of last year what about September? 33 IP, 26 K, 1.64 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, .237 BAA

He recovered pretty well from his struggles. I don't think he's a true ace, but he would be a good 2/3 for us for years.

by trident on Jan 7, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Abandoned his own surname?

OMG, what a pussy...

by a bebop a rebop on Jan 7, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For 2 years

his real surname is Snell.

"Lois, undecided voters are the biggest idiots on the planet, try giving short, simple answers."

by Longhorn on Jan 7, 2008 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Eh

I was hoping I'd get more of a reaction out of that. Seriously, the fact that he gave up his surname (even if only for a while) makes me more interested in having him on the team than that over-tatted pedophilia victim Saltalamacchia.

Anyway, I don't have a problem with my last name, but if I married a girl named Daphne St. James or something you can sure as hell bet I'd give mine up.

by a bebop a rebop on Jan 7, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Mr. Rebop

isn't much of a name anyway.

the one after 909

by t ball on Jan 7, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

boss.

by oc on Jan 8, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh...

by a bebop a rebop on Jan 8, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What does

him changing his surname have to do with anything? 5-11 190 seems about right and not too 'skinny' either...'

"Lois, undecided voters are the biggest idiots on the planet, try giving short, simple answers."

by Longhorn on Jan 7, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Snell-Oquendo

I'm amazed that 190 is his listed weight. He looked closer to 160 when I saw him. He sure hides it well.

His taking his wife's name isn't relevant to anything other than him being a girly man.

by Brian Hayes on Jan 7, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

BPH

Back with a Vengeance!!!

;-)

You're hijacking the thread and being repetitive. Move forward.

by Rodney on Jan 7, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm convinced

I no longer want to trade for Snell.

by Ajax on Jan 7, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why do all of you

and by "you" I mean people that post these trade rumors.

Always have to state "If they pull this off, that would just be egg in the face for the Rangers"

We are not going to be in on every damn trade, JD does not just sit on his computer, hear about trade rumors, then go around trying to top them.

Also Salty is the closest thing we have to a sure-fire major leaguer out of all of our catching prospects. We have no idea how the rest will turn out. So trading from a position of "Strength" would be trading one of those guys who we DON'T know about yet, and getting to keep Salty.

by SaltyGoesYard on Jan 7, 2008 2:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

plus

you'd have to change usernames again.

by a bebop a rebop on Jan 7, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And...

SnellGoesYard doesn't have the same ring to it

by Topgun22 on Jan 7, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Because

As a GM you damn sure know what your division rivals are thinking of adding through trades. Think the Red Sox need Johan to win the Series? No, they need him to not be a Yankee for them to dominate. The line gets very thin if NY pulls Johan.

Same thing here, much smaller scale. Your division rival has an ace (Felix) for 4 more years, and is thinking of adding a rock solid 2 for 4 years as well.

Salty is the closest thing to a sure-fire prospect, meaning he has more value than Laird or Tea or Max. None of those players can be the cornerstone that nets you Snell, Salty can. Salty, also, hasn't proven anything yet. He can't catch and throw, hasn't called many games, and has only been over AA for 2 seasons. Not exactly a sure thing. I like the guy, I just think we NEED a guy like Snell MUCH worse.

by trident on Jan 7, 2008 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed all the way around

What we need more than anything is to somehow supplement the top of the rotation. What we have for trade is a top flight catching prospect. If a deal like Salty for Snell is available, then it would seem like a perfect match.

And it is no lock that Salty will look good or even adequate at the ML level next season, if not, then what will his trade value look like?

Juevos Daniels: biggest stones in the business.

by tricer on Jan 8, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Top to Bottom

this is one of the more humerous diaries of the year. Congratulations on everyone who contributed. I loled throughout.

by abc123 on Jan 7, 2008 3:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Salty for Snell

I'd do it. I like Salty, but there are no guarantees that he is going to hit in the big leagues.

Snell has very good K, bb, and GB rates. He is durable but not overworked. He has gotten better every year.

Juevos Daniels: biggest stones in the business.

by tricer on Jan 7, 2008 4:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I would trade Salty

for Snell. I have thought quite a bit about it ever since Adam mentioned it around the trade deadline last season.

At the time, I felt it would be a bad idea. But since the Rangers dealt Volquez, I have changed my tune a little bit. Before we had Hamilton, I felt the Rangers could not sacrifice Saltalamacchia's bat long term. But with Hamilton's bat in the lineup for the next couple years, I think I might be inclined to trade Saltalamacchia for Snell. Given the depth at catcher (Laird, Teagarden, Ramirez, Santana, etc), I think the Rangers could spare Saltalamacchia if they received a pitcher of Snell's quality in return.

Also, the Volquez trade means that acquiring Snell wouldn't cost any notable young pitcher his rotation spot.

Additionally, if you made that trade, the Rangers rotation would not look too terrible next season.

Snell
Millwood
Padilla
McCarthy
Gabbard

If everyone stays healthy and Hamilton/Blalock get 500 at bats, that team might be above .500 and might even contend if a few things break their way.

by stephen86 on Jan 7, 2008 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs