The legacy of Mark Cuban; notes on the speaker series, update on me...
by miles on Oct 13, 2008 2:03 AM CDT
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PrintIn my SASM 201 class, we had a lesson on the one and only Mark Cuban. We talked about the ways he has made a positive impact on the Mavericks organization.
Herzberg's Two Factor Theory of motivation
Motivation factor: This means the ways you motivate your employees to be able to move up the ranks in the organization. Also recognition for your achievement, and interest in the job.
Hygiene factor: Salary/ Working conditions.
Cuban is a prime example of both of these factors. He motivates his employees to do their best, and makes them interested in his job.
The hygiene factor is an interesting one, because Cuban does this perfectly. Not only does he have flat screens and gaming systems in the players lockers, but he does nice gestures to the other team.
He doesn't put out the crappy visitor towels in the visitors locker room, he gives them the nicest, softest towels out there. He knows they will be stolen, but this gesture engraves in the back of the mind when they become a free agent.
Will that gesture alone make them sign with Dallas? No. But small things do count.
My professor made a GREAT comparison to Cuban. Daniel Snyder of the Redskins is the same type of owner who is willing to spend money and is very outspoken. He just hasn't had the same type of success as Cuban has.
This is the part which made me mad in class. People said that Cuban was responsible for making the Mavericks a world class organization. I quickly got involved and asked a few simple questions.
Who traded for the draft rights For Dirk?
Who convinced Dirk to come to America?
Who traded for Nash and Finley?
Who made this Dallas offense exciting and fun to watch?
Don Nelson
And I knew AJM would be proud of me for standing up for the greatest coach of this teams history...
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We had a speaker series for the Sports Management program on Friday. This just made me even happier that I came to Ohio University. The people that come out of this program are beyond amazing. Not only did Jeremy Fulley( the most respected Athletic Director in the country out of Florida) and the assistant GM from the Giants, but countless people from the sport industry.
The people they chose from the speaker series were only 2-4 years removed from the program.
One of the speakers I saw was a girl who just two years removed out of the undergraduate program, she is the head of sponsorship for the Lake Eerie Monsters. She was with the Cleveland Cavilers but switched over when Dan Gilbert bought the Monsters. She said something very interesting. You job should include three factors.
-Something that you can be the best in the world at.
-Something that fuels your engine.
-Something that you love doing.
The other speaker that stood out was the marketing director for National City Bank. He was just the man involved in signing a multi million dollar dead with the Detroit Pistons for the official sponsor. So whenever you see a pistons logo or name, it will say "presented by National City Bank". He is doing this type of stuff at the old age of 30. This deal happened 2 days before he spoke.
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This is what I love about this school. The professors are the best in the business. One of the newer ones is David Ridpath, who was a assistant athletic director of Marshall when Randy Moss, Bryan Leftwhich and Chad Pennington came through.
He is now suing the school for a million dollars. He was told to keep quiet when they were giving athletes such as Randy Moss grades for doing nothing, and he went forward. The NCAA decides to keep quiet about what they want.
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Ive been pretty busy lately, I am a team manager for the basketball team which I think is a great opportunity for me. With Ohio not a big time program, I am able to really get involved in this program since they don't hire all these different positions. They rely on the team managers more than other big time programs.
Listening to John Groce in practice every day is amazing. If you don't know who that is, he was the assistant coach for Ohio State. He was like their offensive coordinator in a way, and got credit for brining in Greg Oden and Mike Connolly.
His offense is like the Phoenix Suns exactly. they do drills that Steve Nash does exactly and talks in terms of their players all the time. I think he is a genius, and won't be surprised when he is taking a big time job in the next few years.
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This stuff is keeping me pretty busy lately, but I like being busy.
Its probably good so I am not bothering everyone on this board all the time like the good old days.
But I hope everyone is doing as good as a Rangers fan could be!
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You know...
Jeff Corwin came and spoke at our school….
I just know we spent thousands and thousands to have him come…
He talked about conserving blah blah blah…
What was his closing line?
“Children is our future”
Today is the youngest you will ever be. Act like it.
jeff corwin
is a strange dude.
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
by knockoutking on Oct 13, 2008 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Remember
when I was made fun of for liking Antione Wright?
Look who is laughing now…
"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me
Dear God man!
All this stuff and still nothing about your status! Give the people what we want, Miles.
We want a status update!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
a real one
not a 3 line update lol
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
by knockoutking on Oct 13, 2008 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions
The professor
knows his status, and wouldn’t fight.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
You never fistfight with the elite
That’s first day of Miles 101 shit.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 13, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't sports management
a fairly limited major in a business where they often take people with other majors?
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
ding ding ding
we have a winner. majoring in sports management is a waste of time. want to know why? because youre essentially walking out on a high wire without a net.
people think that by majoring in sports management they’re setting themselves up on the fast track to be the next GM of their favorite club. what they dont realize, oftentimes, is that there are only 2 ways that you rise up in the sports business world:
1) you start at the very bottom, oftentimes meaning ticket sales or low level marketing, and work your way up, hoping to make an impression and get noticed by someone higher up
2) you have connections in the industry helping you get a leg up on all the other regular joe’s trying to break into the industry, which essentially only allows you to skip a few of the lower rungs on the ladder and have a higher starting platform, from which you again must work hard to make an impression and get noticed.
having a sports management degree isnt impressive to anyone that works in the business of professional sports. business is business, whether its a fortune 500 company or a major league baseball franchise. when they’re looking for new hires, they’re looking for the brightest individuals they can find, ones that have shown an aptitude for understanding how businesses in general work and providing innovative and aggressive ideas.
youd be better served with a degree in management. or finance. or a combination of both. or, better yet, a degree in accounting. want to know why? because accountants understand how businesses work better than anyone else. they see the company from the inside out and understand how a business makes money.
at the very least then youve got something to fall back on when you decide you cant stand doing ticket sales or promotions for some independent league baseball team anymore, hoping to get a call from Cuban or Jerry Jones.
I would say that SM
would be good for if you’re interested in more a community development/outreach program. For example, I don’t think it would be good if you want to be a GM or some kind of upper-level management position, but I think it would be perfect if you were, to say for example, going to work to revive inner city baseball. But I agree with you, I think a degree in something like systems management or finance would serve better – a degree concerning the optimization of resources.
by aggierangerfan00 on Oct 13, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha!!!!!!!
… or better yet, a degree in accounting. want to know why? because accountants understand how businesses work better than anyone else.
Accountants have one of the most narrow scopes of a business in all of business. They know dollars come in and dollars go out, but have no idea why.
by robert_d_wilfong on Oct 13, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
wrong
With an accounting background you have more potential than virtually any other professional – in terms of long-term employment, salary prospects and job security. Accountants arent just bean counters with no understanding of how companies are profitable. Especially not anyone with a background in public accounting.
This is all of course in comparison to the great sales guys, who know how to drive revenues, but have zero respect or understanding for how to actually increase the bottom line. In today’s world, its not just P&L driven anymore, as we’ve seen with the financial crisis. If you dont understand your balance sheet, you’re gonna go belly up in a hurry.
To state that accountants have the most narrow view of business is just plain ignorant. There are perhaps some of those types of jobs out there, such as the 50 year old lady working handling Accounts Payable for your Company. But thats the very slim minority. A CPA with public accounting experience, specifically in audit or consulting roles, is probably more qualified to run a company than anyone else. period.
this may be the truth in big business
but where i work here in DC i dont know one person with an accounting background whose NOT in accounting/a money-related “group”
business is business, whether its a fortune 500 company or a major league baseball franchise. when they’re looking for new hires, they’re looking for the brightest individuals they can find
sounds exactly like what i have been told/see as my boss ggoes through hireing another person in our group, the brightest person, not a person with an accounting background
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
by knockoutking on Oct 13, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
i dont disagree
i wasnt advocating that having an accounting degree made you any brighter than anyone else or made you any more likely to get hired than anyone else in terms of this. I was simply attempting to point out that having a degree in sports management wouldnt specifcally give you a leg up on anyone else in terms of getting hired in the industry.
i never said that people with accounting backgrounds were smarter or brighter than anyone else. Lord knows that isnt generally the case, at least from what ive come across. However, I do think the experience and exposure of those with an accounting background provides something more relevant than a lot of other business professions. ive already made my case for this above and wont rehash it.
just because you dont know anyone with an accounting background thats currently not working outside of the industry in DC doesnt really mean much to me. I could tell you that here in Dallas, I know plenty. And I use to be one of them. so…shrug I know what the statistics are…look at the number of Fortune 500 CEO’s with an accounting background. its significant.
but look guys, i didnt make a post to argue for accounting as a profession. i posted that i thought that sportsmanagement as a major was silly and short sighted. then i made a follow up post to refute robert’s distorted notion of accounting as a profession. i didnt mean to derail this into a thread about which career path was best. to each his own.
If more companies
would replace half their accounting management with Actuaries, businesses would run with a much broader view.
FWIW, I also believe that a really good sales/marketing person — one who really understands the art of their specific business — is better qualified to run a company than an accountant. Of course, it depends on the individual person more than anything else.
by robert_d_wilfong on Oct 13, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
we can agree to disagree.
i think a really good sales/marketing person is the best qualified person to be the COO. and, as you noted, on an individual basis, there are some of these people who could make great CEO’s.
but i stand by my previous st atement. i believe an accountant has a much better grasp of the broad view of a company and its operations, specifically the relationship between the balance sheet and revenues and expenses, as well as cash flows, than someone who’s only experience is out selling a product or service. The smartest CEO’s that have no accounting background are the ones that have extremely competent CFO’s that they lean on for all of their financial related decisions.
Anecdote
There was once a number of what you’d call ‘elite operating companies’. What they had in common was CEO’s and hiring practices designed to select the most promising, with some regard for the most credentialed. These were magnets for people who aspired to leading edge contribution, perhaps moreso than dramatic paychecks. GE under Jack Welsh, AA under Bob Crandall, for instance. (It took me seven years to bargain my way into the front door at AA).
Then came the 1990’s. The corporate world turned to MBA/CPA dually credentialed as a basis for senior executive selection and placement. As the quarterly bottom line took precedence over operational fitness, customer satisfaction, workplace quality, and sometimes even safety, it was like the 40. The quarterly trumped all.
That began the dmise of corporate excellence in America, and elsewhere. When financial types rule over operations and marketing types, bad decisions and wrongly directed priorities result. Goodbye, operating elite, hello decline. And you don’t have to pick a specific industry, it’s become generic.
IMHO the MBA/CPA combine isn’t just laughable, it’s dangerous because it can lead to silly things that drive down an economy, like paper shell companies supposedly to protect resources offshore, salaries and parachutes beyond belief (see dictionary, cit. personal greed). Ask Ken Lay. Ask Bernie Ebbers. Oh, and when these guys get appointed to boards ar financial industry entities, they authorize such stuff as derivatives, so things like junk bond issues get blanketed with higher rated stuff.
No thank you. Accounting and financial planning, yes please yes. Extending to top senior executive decision authority, dear God no.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Oct 13, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Putting Crandall in
with Welsh is massively insulting to Welsh. I’m not sure Crandall made a profit for AA in all his time there. All you needed to know about Crandall was his statement “I’ve never invested in any airline” . This wasn’t like Herb Kelleher who actually built a profitable airline for his investors.
I think Crandall was of the model of CEO’s we see all too often now. The corporation lives to enrich senior management, not the rank and file employees or the investors.
Jack Welsh on the other hand was a giant who made his investors very happy they had him at the helm.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Ed
I think this is the worst form of generalization. If you cant objectively look at situations like the ones youve mentioned and realize that a lot of these problems arose not from the backgrounds of these individuals, in terms of education, but from the character and ambitions of the individuals themselves, then i dont know what to tell you. these were individualized people problems. to generalize that all MBA/CPA’s are unfit to manage companies because there were a couple of them who were unethical or ran their companies into the ground is a ridiculous ill-formed line of thought.
if you want to compare the approaches and goals in business of individuals from one background to another, and the merits of which approach is best, thats one thing. but to throw an entire section of population under the bus because of a few bad apples, thats just shows me a lack of ability, or perhaps lack of desire, to look at a situation objectively and come up with well formed arguments.
to say that the MBA/CPA combination is “dangerous,” I just have to shake my head in amazement…. thats a grand canyon-sized leap.
I didn't conjecture it
I lived it. And Dan, I worked for Crandall. He knew every airplane down to the rivet, every branch lead by first name, took up customer complaints without exception, used technology and decision support ten years ahead of the segment competition, and clearly and absolutely gave a damn about all his people. He fought deregulation at the source, and lost. He resisted expansion outside the company’s core competency, for fear of diluting service excellence. He was a S.O.B., but he was “out” S.O.B. No, not as universally acclaimed as Jack Welsh.
6th, my complaint is not with the broad brush skills and value of those from an educational “set”. It has to do with the lack of either ethics or esprit in their preparation for large responsibility. And of course you are right, it’s individuals not an archtype en masse. Seems those whose horns honk loudest in self acclaim do get opportunities above their merit, though.
And Miles, I like your report. Hang in there, keep up the urge to contribute while you learn. Great good luck in the whole SM effort, in school and beyond.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Oct 13, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
hmm
im not sure quite what your point is then. i feel like you clearly generalized in your first post. but i feel like youve backtracked here. you clearly stated your distaste for the CPA/MBA background before, but here you say your beef isnt with such a set of “skills and values” for a group of people with such a background.
im not going to disagree with you on the fact that there often is a “lack of ethics or esprit in their preparation for large responsibility.” But again, i think this is an individualized problem that you cant peg down to a singular set of people.
anyway, i appreciate the dialogue even if i dont agree with the argument. cheers.
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It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
+2
"until they are good, they are not good" - seth
by inactive lsb user on Oct 13, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
I hope txranger7 didn’t have a stroke. It looks like he may have passed out on his keyboard there either that or his cat is taking typing lessons.
Steal Home R.I.P. 9/10/08
I thought he was just pulling a hurler
and throwing in the towel.
"until they are good, they are not good" - seth
by inactive lsb user on Oct 13, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta agree with you here
I think there .
To 6th Street – there is a place for . The CFO is for your accounting or financial leader. The COO is the guy(/gal) who knows the marketing and daily operations in and out. The CEO should be someone removed from each of those -
ugh... I wasn't supposed to hit post...
lets try this again.
I agree with Ed. Having a company run entirely by people who are trained in any one discipline is dangerous. I think we have seen this happen with a certain type of financial-minded people dominating companies. Money is a drug – a good financial mind can create a few derivatives to guarantee earnings one quarter and next thing you know they have full control of the company. I don’t know if I’d blame this “on the accountants” per se, though. Enron was a good company with good ideas that became dependent on financial trickery, enabled by Arthur Anderson and implemented by scheming MBAs.
I think it is also a generalization on 6th street’s part to say that an accounting background is ideal for a CEO position. There is a reason these companies divide the responsibilities of a COO, CFO, CTO, etc. You want the money handled by people who know money (CPAs, MBAs, etc). You want the operations handled by someone who knows the business (maybe an MBA, or just someone who knows the industry). You want the R&D handled by a scientist or an engineer as CSO or CTO. The CEO is a different sort of guy/gal. Leadership, vision, and decision making is far more important at that level, and they certainly can’t be looknig at it from one direction. I’d say it doesn’t matter what their background is – they have to know enough of all of it.
right
first of all, Ed never stated that a company run entirely by people trained in any one discipline is dangerous. he was specifically stating that having accountants, or those of the CPA/MBA background, running companies was “dangerous”.
again, Enron is the exception and not the rule. everyone makes a big deal out of it because it was a MASSIVE breakdown. but in reality, we are talking about a handful of people that were responsible. A handful. You cant make the jump that just because one set of individuals with a certain background have poor ethics and morals that all other sets of similar individuals will be the same. thats just ridiculous.
i didnt generalize. i stated my case for why i thought an accounting background was best for the CEO position. there are plenty of other arguments out there as well that im completely open to. but i wasnt generalizing. thats what you did. a generalization is taking one set of circumstances for a certain population and equating it across the entire population.
Look, i never said that someone had to be an accountant to be a good CEO. I simply postured, from an inside view, that an accounting background provides extremely relevant experience for running a business. Go back and re read the post.
Interesting
I’m not picking a fight, just find the topic interesting. I have the complete opposite view: A sales/marketing guy, in my experience, makes a better CEO, while an accounting guy makes a better COO.
The sales people I know typically take a personal interest in the art of the deal and the financials behind it as that’s where their proverbial bread is buttered. Most have no interest at all in the operations side, typically taking a “I don’t care how its done, just get it done” attitude. Accountants by nature, focus on the bottom line and “efficiency” with less regard for the notion of “spending money to make money” or top line growth.
This is why I believe an Actuary is best trained to run a company — they have a healthy perspective of both the top and bottom lines. Although with many, there could be some personality issues that would need to be overcome. Often not the best people people.
I’m sure the difference of opinion is derived mostly from our personal work experiences. Do you mind if I ask what indust(y/ies) you’ve worked in. I’ve been in media and financial services over the past 18 years. Just curious because I find this intriguing.
by robert_d_wilfong on Oct 13, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
fair enough
ive been in public accounting for 8 years, with a 2 year stint doing some management consulting before returning back to the accounting. ive worked on the audit side for companies in a variety of industries, including oil & gas, entertainment, manufacturing, educational product development, software development, pharmaceutical development, and various others. Ive worked on large public companies, small public companies, partnerships, LLCs, the whole gamut. I toyed with the idea of financial planning and/or investment banking coming out of school, and a few times since then, but now im glad i never made that jump.
i never worked big 4, which may have something to do with my odd fondness for public accounting. but the firm ive been fortunate enough to work for has given me opportunities to experience a wide variety of companies in various industries. so, its hard for me to sit here and here that accountants are “just bean counters” when I can clearly attest to the fact that this isnt the case. sure, i know the debits and the credits. but i know my clients and their industries inside and out. i have to. so theres much more to it.
as for your thought on actuaries….i dont have much experience there. the only ones ive known have worked on pension plan analysis, and i cant say that ive been too impressed. shrug
I agree with your basic premise, but I think sports management is probably okay if you're planning on following it up with an MBA or some such.
But that’s a lot of schooling.
And his major might also allow him a leg up in summer internships, which I’d assume would be a kickass way for a guy like The Elite One to start making connections in the field. (The team manager part makes me think he’s on the right track in this regard.)
But all that’s just conjecture on my part.
Number of sports teams The Dirkatron has landed a job working for: 0
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 13, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what I'd say
I know lots of people working in jobs that aren’t exactly, or even close to, what their major in college was. You make connections and do the best you can, but life happens and you find yourself doing something that maybe you didn’t even think about a few years ago.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
which
was what i stated clearly above. its about connections. if youre good at making connections and developing personal relationships, then you can get a degree in basketweaving and be fine. but, that is a very small minority of people. youre much better off with having a backup plan. otherwise, you find yourself working ticket sales and doing menial work with no opportunity to advance.
Not true...
I have talked with professors and others that know what they are talking about.
They say that General management or business degree is terrible because it shows you don’t know what you want to do. Employers want to know what you specialize in.
Sport Management at Ohio University is a specialized area of business, and I actually minor in Business.
"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me
So, you asked
professors with a vested interest in selling the sports management program whether or not the sports management program was a good deal? I always find asking a sales person gets me the most unbiased information.
I wonder what the response would be if you asked JD or someone else with hiring responsibilities. It would probably be worth your time to write letters to JD, Cuban, Jerrah Jones, and others in the business if they think Sports management degress are better than say, MBAs or JDs or whatever. I have no idea what their answer would be, but if I wanted to get in the business, I’d be extremely interested, and it certainly would be worth the investment of paper, stamps, and time to ask the question.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Exactly
I am majoring in Sports, Sponsorship, and Sales at Baylor. We are the only sports major in the country that is sales specific . That is why we have 100% placement rates in pro sports.
We also have a long list of distinguished individuals on our board from all over the country inlcuding George Kilibrew-VP of Sponsorship Sales for the Mavs, David Peart-Former President of the 49ers, Ben Milsom – VP of Sales for the Sacremento Kings, etc.
"Do you think anybody is gonna charge the mound when they know I take Akito? Hell no." - BGL
It's a bad idea
I normally just read stuff here and don’t post, but I felt like I could actual contribute here. I have a Sports Managment degree and if I had the choice I would absolutly switch my major. A SM degree can help you get an internship, which obviously helps establish contacts, but beyond that it will not do a thing for you. If at all possible switch your degree to business. You can absolutly work in sports w/ a business degree, it’s much tougher to work in regular business with a sports degree.
Oh and the 100% placement, FWIW the first sports organzation I worked for, entry level sales started at $7.50/hr + 5% with no benefits. So you can certainly find a job, but wether or not you can live off it is another story.
by save the empire on Oct 16, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
miles seems like a smart dude
i seriously doubt he didnt do the research into SM all things considered
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
I wish I could've been there
to see zywica’s head explode.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
ok well hes not an IDIOT was my point lol
sorry
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
by knockoutking on Oct 13, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Z's just jealous
because Miles gets a lot more recs than he does :)
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Uh...
Assistant GMs? Yet another reason why UNT>Ohio. We got THE GM of the Texas Rangers. Scoreboard us.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 59-30 to U LA LA? Come on.
+1
"until they are good, they are not good" - seth
by inactive lsb user on Oct 13, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Last time
I checked, he didn’t attend UNT for schooling though…
"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me
He didn't attend
Ohio either
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 13, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeremy Fulley did....
Best AD in the country…
"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me
Best AD...
by what measure? Just curious….
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 13, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Multiple championships in the big 2 sports is a good start
"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states" - Barack Obama
by LSBUser on Oct 13, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm
There are lots of schools that win championships in big sports.
However, from my experience working in a D1 athletic office, it’s not just championships that get you rated high. If you’re winning, but constantly putting the athletic departments in the red then you won’t last long.
Schools like Florida probably don’t have that problem with their inherent recruiting advantage over most schools. But, there are some AD’s out there that are doing more with less, which is why I question the “Best AD in the country” line.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 13, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He's so good
You don’t even know his name….it’s Jeremy Foley.
And to go back to 6thstreet’s point, according to Foley’s bio on the Florida website he started as an intern in the Gator ticket office out of grad school.
"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states" - Barack Obama
by LSBUser on Oct 13, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
You have to pay your dues.
I don’t expect any type of descent job out of college, I know I will have to work my ass off for a descent job.
I am willing to do that.
"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me
Don't make fun of his spelling!
He’s going to be a high powered sports exec. He doesn’t need to know how to spell!
by Brett Perryman on Oct 13, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
You go Miles!
Thanks for sharing what it’s like for the Elite to navigate through one of the top sports management programs in the country.
I enjoyed reading that! REC
Steal Home R.I.P. 9/10/08
Thanks LAMF!
How have you been lately?
"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me
You're welcome Sir Miles!
I’ve been great thanks for asking…just chillin in L A and yes it’s been quite chilly here lately.
I may need to fly to Honolulu for a few days…I thought I left this cold weather behind in NYC.
Speaking of NYC have you seen your other big fan lately (AGreen) I haven’t seen him on in a while and I’m about to call the Po Leece.
Steal Home R.I.P. 9/10/08
Good to hear!
Has AGreen not been posting? Ive been wondering about him also, Ill have to message him on facebook.
"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me
Yeh look into that...
I haven’t seen Greenie on here in a while. Last I heard of him about him was when he went into one of my old favorite restaurants in NYC….his supermodel looking date was sooo smoking the kitchen manager was considering dousing her with the fire extinguisher.
Steal Home R.I.P. 9/10/08
This is one of those threads where it's OK to leave to go take a shit, make a sandwich, or smoke a bowl.
Now if it were a Jeff Sullivan thread, I might be more inclined to resist any urges to get up.
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