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Along with the interviews that were mentioned yesterday, Jon Daniels says that he's asked permission to talk to Dave Wallace and Mike Maddux, although permission hasn't been granted yet.  He says he hopes to have a staff in place by next week.

Rick Peterson calls the situation with the Rangers "intriguing." He's still the guy I think will end up with the pitching coach job.

 

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2nd link

is the same as the first….not sure if you meant to link to the blog post or what.

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by Dirk Diggler on Oct 15, 2008 9:42 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay

I pitched in college successfully for 4 years and IMO there are 4 kinds of pitching coaches (and I worked with Ray Burris who is the double A pitching coach with the tigers right now for 4 years during college on the side, met darren oliver, mike drumright, kenny rogers, etc):

1) The individualistic pitching coach – everyone is different so you cannot cookie cutter everyone however there are fundamentals that should exist for everyone such as equal and opposite, finger pressure, and plant foot mechanics. Basically, work with what you have, some pitchers are better throwing 3/4, others completely over the top.
2) The reinventer – Yeah so and so may be good however if totally revamped he would be much better. I dont like this top of coach.
3) The overly fundamental – Its all about making sure everyone has the exact same mechanics and refining ONLY these mechanics will make one a successful pitcher.
4) The hands off approach – just work hard and everything else will take care of itself. Run a lot, do the right exercises, throw a lot. Mechanics dont matter that much, just repeat them.

My question where would each of these coaches fall if you were to classify them into one of the categories? I know Ray was very individualistic. It seemed to me that Mark Conner was definitely overly fundamental which I think hurts young hurlers like volquez and would have hurt pitchers like feliz who looser arms. Just an opinion.

by booyahcaveman on Oct 15, 2008 10:14 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is the reinventer and the overly fundamental

the same guy?

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by DJCahill on Oct 15, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you can have

a reinventer who is not a fundamentalist – someone may like to tinker with pitchers but realizes the difference between different styles. But I think all the overly fundamentals would by definition be reinventers.

by JBImaknee on Oct 15, 2008 11:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are

related in my mind. The big difference is that sometimes the “reinventer” uses arm angles, longer or shorter strides, different positions with a glove hand, etc

by booyahcaveman on Oct 15, 2008 11:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like these definitions.

In your experience, which of those is ideal? #1 or #4?

by JBImaknee on Oct 15, 2008 11:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I personally

like #1 because of my personal experience. For example, i threw completely over the top and was always strictly taught that way until i got to college. My natural arm motion caused me to force my arm over the top (my arm motion was too long). I dropped my arm angle to a low 3/4s and voila, velocity increased and started throwing an effective 2 seamer.

I mean an effective pitching coach has the ability to use all of these approaches which would, by definition, make him a #1. I mean there is some overlap between these definitions of course.

by booyahcaveman on Oct 15, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like #1

from a philosophical standpoint. That’s how I approach my teaching as well, I think of myself as a chameleon.

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by t ball on Oct 15, 2008 11:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Most important hire:

Bench Coach? Pitching Coach? or Fielding Coach?

The easy answer is pitching coach – since that’s where we’ve struggled for years. And with the expected influx of talent over the next 2 years, this coach will have the opportunity to develop to some very promising arms.

But I might argue that with Ron Washington’s poor in-game decision making, hiring a bench coach he trusts and will depend on could make a real difference in the W/L column.

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by Haeger Champ on Oct 15, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But will Wash listen to his bench coach?

My guess is that he is still going to call those ridiculous sac bunts and other such nonsense whenever he feels like it.

by FuturePants on Oct 15, 2008 10:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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by LAMuscleFag on Oct 15, 2008 11:06 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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by shroomer on Oct 15, 2008 12:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ALCS Change

Kazmir is to start game 5 rather than James Shields. Interesting.

http://sports.excite.com/news/10152008/v0062.html

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by Ed Coffin on Oct 15, 2008 12:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha, good managering:
James Shields was originally scheduled to pitch, but will instead be pushed back to a potential Game 6. The St. Petersburg Times speculates that the move was made so that Kazmir could avoid pitching with Derryl Cousins behind the plate after he called the umpire’s strike zone “ridiculous” and “unbelievable” following a June ejection.

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by Rodney on Oct 15, 2008 1:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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