peavy would waive to come here, i like the idea up until the 50 million dollar extension.

Feliz, Salty, Beaven, & Cruz is reasonable….. gotta consider Holland (closeness to MLB) and Main untouchables…..

If the deal can be worked out with out Feliz, Holland, or Main?!?!

Davis, Salty, Kiker, Cruz, Harrison???

All the “ifs” considered. As good as Peavy is, and will continue to be, I don’t make that offer. Just opinion, but I think between Holland and Feliz, you’ll get one pitcher equivalent to what Peavy can bring to RBIA. And I think counting on Cruz now for a couple of years and Andrus for several years to come is a better menu that extending Jake P by $50 mil.

But here’s my “before consideration” hitching post. Even if Peavy wanted to come here, and did so, who’s the other top of the rotation pitcher in 2009-2010? One ace is not sufficient in the AL, IMHO, and the mix of Millwood, Padilla, et al probably won’t make up the 72 wins by starters I think is required to win out.

If I really, really want Jake Peavy, and he’s OK to pass over his no trade to be here, I dangle Josh Hamilton and Brandon McCarthy to SD, and if the balk, I hang up.

I think we have seen that one pitcher doesn’t make an overwhelming difference.

I want to know if Jake Peavy can prove he can pitch in the AL. Last year he was 0-3 against AL teams. He lost to Seattle, Minn, and New York.

The seattle game he gave up 10H, 3ER, 1HR

If you look at his career against the AL, he seems to be a different type of pitcher.

I do not think i would give up 3 stud prospects for him. Just my opinion

If the Rangers were close to the Halos and one player may make the difference then I say go for it but the Rangers are not that close. So it is a no from me.

Can’t we just put a moratorium on trades? With JD’s scouting and drafting, this team will win the World Series sometime in the next five years as long as we don’t shoot ourselves in the foot with a trade like this. Use FA to supplement the holes in the farm and call it a day. Every time JD tries to do something like this he screws it up. (Note I support JD but I cringe at the thought of him trading for yet another pitcher to win this year while giving up a pitcher for the future).

He’s overrated cause of Petco (4.15 tRA, which is good, but certainly not great) and the health of his arm scares the shit out of me. You bring Peavy in here and he’s a ~4.00 ERA guy, which is nice, but certainly not worth anywhere near we’re talking here. And that doesn’t even factor in the injury risk, which I think is a very real concern.

If you’re willing to pay 6/120 plus a butt load of good young players for Peavy, why not just up the dollars a little bit and get a much better pitcher in CC Sabathia and only give up a second round pick? Or go cheaper and snag Lowe, Sheets or Burnett?

Or pay less in terms of prospects and get a younger, cheaper very similar pitcher in terms of talent guy like the Grink?

Absolutely no Peavy trades. None. Nope. Not gonna happen. I protest.

This conversation is just for fun anyways, because he wouldn’t waive his clause to come here.

But no, I don’t offer the packages listed above. I am firmly in the “don’t trade for an ace” camp, especially when that ace has pitched for the single most pitcher friendly club (when considering the park and the division) in baseball throughout his career.

That’s a ton of money/talent to throw at a guy that (a) hasn’t been that peripherally jaw-dropping outside of Petco over the last three seasons and (b) isn’t going to be enough by himself to turn this team into a legitimate World Series contender. Everything this team does should be geared towards moving closer to that goal.

Put another way, I’d probably rather sign Sabathia than do something like this. And I’d have serious reservations about Texas legitimately pursuing C.C. even if the word from the top wasn’t that the Rangers weren’t going to significantly expand payroll in 2009.

Very, very dangerous. Not something I’d advocate doing.

That’s giving away a huge chunk of our future for one pitcher, who is good, but not good enough to single handedly get us into the playoffs. The Padres would do that in a heartbeat unless they’re crazy.

keep Holland. keep Feliz. let them mow down AAA all of 2009. maybe 2010 we compete.

The Rangers are not contending in 2009 so don’t trade for an #1 or sign a FA. Maybe next year when the Rangers have a better idea in what they have in Harrison, Hurley, Holland. Feliz, et al.

If he pitched in an average ballpark and put up the same kind of numbers, then I might like the idea of giving up that much for him. I don’t think he’s Adam Eaton, either. But his ERA will probably be around the mid 4s if he were to come here. And for that, you don’t trade what you’re proposing.

And to those who don’t like the idea of a $50 million/2 year extension. $25 mil/year for a pitcher like him might be like bargain in 2014. Remember that right now, the Carlos Silvas of baseball are making around $12 mill/year.

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They make that deal in a heartbeat. The Padres are in a dire situation. While they made the playoffs a few years ago and just missed last season, that is an indictment of their division more than anything else. Their lineup has maybe two or three guys in it that are good major league regulars (AGon, Giles, maybe Kouzmanoff). Their offense and defense is horrendous – they really need a catcher who can throw out guys. More than that, they need some exciting players – guys to get fans in the seats and make their team relevant.

The flip side is that their ballpark allows any pitcher to appear good, and any good pitcher to look almost great (see Young, Chris).

Given that, this is the deal I offer:

Andrus
MaxRam or Teagarden
Hurley
Ramirez or Beavan (or another high ceiling young power arm)
Borbon
Blalock

Texas receives:

Peavy
Heath Bell (potential closer)

They do this deal because Borbon and Andrus are guys who will make their defense up the middle solid and have speed – something that their offense needs in that ballpark. Hurley will be a solid #3 or possibly a #2 pitcher in Petco – home runs aren’t an issue there. They get the catcher they desperately need – either a much-needed bat in MaxRam or a guy who can fix their 90% SBA in Tea. Blalock is a local boy who they have wanted in the past. And you give them a young pitching stud to clinch the deal.

I don’t think the Padres would hold out for Holland or Feliz – they need hitters, not pitchers. If the Rangers could get back Peavy and either Bell or one of their middle arms, I do it.

1. Another Peavy will be available when the Rangers are ready to contend.

2. Our prospects, especially those you name, will be even more developed (ie, valuable) then.

Read the other comments for the flaws in Peavy’s game, but moreso this is a case of bad timing.

Trade for Peavy, sign sabathia and Lowe (Free agent right?)

Make Padilla the 4 and Milwood the 5.

Resign Bradley and go into the season with the same offense.

Trade laird for 2 lockdown bullpen spots.

Win the world series.

Your welcome. Hell I would not even ask for 1/4th of JD’s salary to do this.

a young top-2 rotation guy.

Peavy. I like him. I feel ambivalent about this trade proposal, though I don’t know why.

Package A: Holland, Teagarden, Main, Cruz — in my mind this would be the package would have the worst consequences for the Rangers.

Package B: Feliz, Salty, Andrus, Mayberry — the least worst consequences for the Rangers.

I can do Package B, but I think I deal a lesser package for a slightly lesser pitcher, like Shields or Bonderman.

If Holland’s fastball is all that we’ve heard it is and it continues to be so next year, he’s probably able to pitch in the majors as a lefty specialist or some other member of the bullpen. See this discussion on Price. I’m not sure Feliz is there yet. Overall, package A has more power potential, which is why I am hesitant to say I like the trade in that case.

BTW, I think this is about what it would take to get a young #1.

I can’t imagine the Padres would do it, though. And parting with Holland or Feliz would be hard.

The only trades the Rangers should make this offseason is one where they are clearing out room for the log jam in the OF or C position. Otherwise, it would take a deal where the Rangers are getting one hell of a steal to make any other trade IMO. Keep Holland, Feliz, Perez, Main, Beaven, etc. here. Develop your own aces. Sign them up through age 31 or 32 when they start breaking through and then let them hit FA and let the cycle continue. That’s the only right way to do things for the Rangers.

That say it’s too early to make such a deal. The Rangers aren’t close enough to contend.

Seattle just demonstrated what happens when you trade the farm without being a playoff caliber team. Then compare that to these teams and where they were the previous year: D-Backs – playoffs, Mets – almost playoffs, Brewers – almost playoffs.

I said this if it happened, but put me in the no camp.

If we can work out a package while not trading away Feliz or Holland, I’m all for it, but with 1 of those 2 I’m totally against it.

for younger (under team control), cheaper pitchers. Guys like Buchholz, Bailey, and the Sanchezes don’t require potential aces and we can use Catching depth as a big part of their acquisition.

So no thanks on Peavy for Dutch, TT, Main (or Andrus) and Murphy.

It is pretty ridiculous to think that the Cy Young award winners from both the AL and NL in 2007 are available this off-season (or rumored to be available in the case of Peavy).

A team could conceivably add two recent Cy Young award winners this off-season, provided they are willing to part with the money and prospects necessary to do so.

No, no, no, no, no, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Forget Peavy. His home/road splits sucked this year, and they’re not that great careerwise either. He’d go from superstar to league average with the RBiA as his home instead of PETCO.

So I’ll just say no thank you.

the more I think San Diego is ready to sell high. Peavy was not quite as good in about every way this year and is about to get more expensive. They need prospects, good time to sell their best trade chip. If they’re willing to deal him instead of building around him, that makes me feel they think he’s going to decline and it’s time to get while the gettin’s good. No thanks.

BUT…can we try to establish some kind of youth movement before we trade away our top prospects when we’re probably a year or two from being good anyway?

Dave Cameron has an article explaining why he thinks the Padres are selling high and Peavy’s best days are behind him.

And I wouldn’t take it lightly the fact that he had some arm trouble this year considering what Tim Lincecum’s father had to say about Peavy.

I would jump on that. Peavy is guaranteed to at least be able to go out if fully healthy and dominate any game he starts. Our other starters in the minors we’d be giving up aren’t. But now that we’ve got such a rich pipeline, and we’d be giving away some of the best of that pipeline that are mostly major league ready, I don’t jump at that deal unless we were able to sign Sabathia, Sheets or acquire at least an Oliver Perez before making the trade. And you know what scared me off?

Johan Santana. The same pitcher I wanted us to throw the farm at when he was available. The Mets had at least as good of a team as we do now when they acquired him, and look what that’s done for them. I can’t say it’s been all his fault, as he’s pitched well, just not as well as they probably hoped. And it seems to me that this package is much more than what the Mets threw at Minnesota.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/sports/braves/stories/2008/10/16/braves_peavy_trade.html

The Braves are trying to fill their biggest need by trading for San Diego right-hander Jake Peavy, a top-tier major-league ace with a Cy Young award and a Southern drawl to boot.

Trebor, Austin, TX: Assuming Peavy can be bought out of his no-trade – Padres choice of (Holland or Feliz) plus (Teagarden, Salty, or Max Ramirez) plus (Elvis Andrus or Main or other A-ball arm) plus (David Murphy or Nelson Cruz or Mayberry Jr.). Which GM hangs up the phone first? Which GM should hang up the phone?

 Keith Law: That’s an absurd bounty for the Padres. I think it would short-circuit the very good future in Texas to give up that much talent, especially pitching – if Texas is going to win, it’s going to be through big-time pitching depth.

Rich Hill-S- Cubs Oct. 18 – 3:27 pm et


Rich Hill surrendered two runs and four hits in 5 1/3 innings for Aragua of the VWL on Friday.
Hill, who is looking to put a disastrous 2008 behind him, struck out six and walked none in his debut in Venezuela. It’s a very encouraging start as he tries to rebuild his stock and put himself in position to claim a rotation spot next spring.