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MJH on the Ryan pitching thing

I've had a hard time putting into coherent words my concern about Nolan taking control of the pitching situation with the Rangers, and now I don't think I have to...

Over at the DMN blog, Hindman analyzes many of Tom Hicks' comments from yesterday, and while I don't agree with everything Mike says, I do think he crystallizes my issues with Ryan and the minor league pitching quite well:

"Nolan is putting together the Nolan Ryan philosophy of pitching plan," Hicks said. "We're going to try to implement that throughout the system. Pitching has been an issue here for a long time. We've got an opportunity to change that." 

This concerns me.   Let me say at the onset, that I've never been completely sold on the idea that you can't push young pitchers.   I tend to believe that leaning on them can be the right thing to do in a lot of cases, but not all.    I don't believe you can treat them all the same.   Just like you can't limit yourselves to scouting and drafting only one kind of pitcher, you can't assume that every pitcher with the ability to deliver quality service time to the big league club can be developed in the same way.   

Dictum coming down from the Hall of Fame Mountain Top scares me.   As I've said many times before, I think that minor league pitching coordinator Rick Adair knows what he's doing.  He's been at the controls as Edinson Volquez and John Danks were developed in this system.  He was at the helm as Chris Young made his dramatic metamorphsis in this system.   He was at the helm as Armando Galarraga seemed to find something special last summer.    And he's been at the helm as guys like Derek Holland and Neftali Feliz have skyrocketed into national consciousness.  He's leading what experts throughout the industry are calling the deepest pitching prospect collection in all of the minors, and with very few exceptions, these heralded prospects all improved this year.

What I fear is that Ryan, who doesn't (and should not and can't be expected to) know a tenth as much about the individual pitchers in this system as Adair does, will start to issue demands that pitchers be handled a certain way and that Adair and the pitching coaches are backed into a corner of trying to force young players to do things that they can't do.   Drive-by pitching coordination frightens me. 

 

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I rwad this earlier...

…and bravo Mike. He clearly expressed a lot of the same things I was thinking but couldn’t put into words.

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Oct 2, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually I "read" it...

…I tried to “rwad” it but failed miserably.

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Oct 2, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think one of the biggest questions this org faces

is who is going to be our major league pitching coach next year, and is he going to be able to get anything out of the kids he has to work with.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Oct 2, 2008 11:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff

Mike crystalizes the reasons we’re skeptical of Ryan, hate Hicks, and fear getting rid of Daniels even though he’s had his disasters. Those of us who voice concern over Ryan are not just Daniels water boys. There is real concern that what progress has been made could be undone very quickly.

the Rangers farm system has become the most powerful in baseball. Leave it the hell alone.

If the Rangers fire Daniels and bring in Gerry Hunsicker or Tim Purpura, then they are going to bring in their own people. Any GM ought to have the right to put together his own scouting and development team. Getting rid of Daniels now would almost inevitably lead to the desconstruction of the best part of this organization. That can’t happen.

Firing Daniels would be throwing out all of the important behind the scenes work he’s done and continued in building the strongest farm system in baseball. He’s been building a foundation and guys like Josey Wales and Galloway are want the roof to go up first.

But I am not cowering in fear just yet. Ryan’s recent comments suggested that he’s more concerned with the transition from minors to majors at the top end of the system’s pitching. I think we’ll see some conditioning things strengthened and things like that rather than a total overhaul of the minors pitching.

In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.

by t ball on Oct 2, 2008 11:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The only thing...

…that tempers this whole edict from Mt. Nolan is the fact that he continually taps the brakes on the speculation by saying that what he means is “one more inning” or a higher pitch count. While a vastly higher pitch count would seriously concern me, getting guys to more pitches sooner would probably not bother me too much, as long as they don’t pitch guys to injury. Obviously going from 65 pitches to 95 per outing over the span of one week would be a terrible idea, I’m just not sure that’s what Nolan is saying.

That said, I have no idea WTF Nolan actually means, and anything he mandates on the lower levels, of which he can’t – and shouldn’t – know everything about does give me serious pause.

by FuturePants on Oct 2, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then again

It’s altogether possible (and frankly there is no reason to think otherwise other than fear and pessimism) that his influence will be more of a general and a philosophical one – trying to raise awareness within the organization of the things that Nolan believes have a negative impact on the team’s pitching. There is a gigantic difference between telling pitching coaches “let’s really start emphasizing conditioning and stretching out appearances,” and “you need to make sure that X pitcher averages Y pitches per outing.”

by Back Door Yakker on Oct 2, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a general or philosophical

I think most people’s problem (including mine) with the Nolan Ryan Edict is that it’s not a generalized sort of thing. With his comments last month about how the minor league coaches “basically ignored him,” this is a very real requirement, and you get the feeling that if our pitching coaches don’t work the pitchers harder, they will be fired. That is my basic problem with it – there leaves no exceptions; no wiggle room. It’s stupid, but I don’t think it’s quite as extreme as some are making it out to be. Although it’s still very extreme.

by FuturePants on Oct 2, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just what this team needs is a change in direction. The constant philosophical changes have worked so well for the franchise over the years we absolutely need to revamp whatever it is we’re doing!

by gr7070 on Oct 2, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not many details have come out

but I haven’t seen anything to concern me. I don’t know what happens to these kids when they come up to the bigs, but I do think I noticed Hurley slowing down his delivery considerably. Look at Harrison, and it’s the same thing. Guess I could check out some archived mlb.tv games to compare.

by SteveP on Oct 2, 2008 11:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

An example to watch

would be Hunter. He has the unusual body type and back ground (judo?). I’ve heard he is the type who will never be an ace but a great innings eater. Well, he definetly wasn’t cuddled this season. Let’s see how he responds to such a “harsh” increase in work. If he can’t handle it with his background and body type, I hope the Rangers brass will learn from him.

"Purity of heart is to will one thing" - Kierkegaard

by outofnace on Oct 2, 2008 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

On the contrary, I would like to think....

that Hunter has been “cuddled” at some point this season. We all need it from time to time.

by bking on Oct 2, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol.

"He wont have anything. 1 man, 0 tools."~ hiafex bout longhorn...

by ivysafety39 on Oct 2, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A great follow up

would be an interview with Adair on how this “new” philosophy is hampering his ability to do his job. That would make so many happy here.

by corbsclinton on Oct 2, 2008 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You know what bothers the heck out of me?

Putting more than one space between your sentences. It’s just so dumb. People who do that need to be shot in the foot or maybe the ankle or maybe just killed with barbed wire. I feel strongly on this subject.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Oct 2, 2008 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry.

Some people learned to type on typewriters. Habits are hard to break sometimes.

by jthig32 on Oct 2, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always put two spaces after a period.

It’s proper grammar and formatting.

by FuturePants on Oct 2, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously.

That, and our minor league pitching not throwing 120 pitches per outing. Those jerks.

by FuturePants on Oct 2, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear Brandon McCarthy refues to read anything with less than two spaces in between the sentences

But I prefer at least three,” he’s fond of saying, probably while injuring himself.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Oct 2, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two spaces

I also do that. It’s what I was taught in typing class and in my AP style manual.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Oct 2, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn it, thedirkatron,

put a period on the end of that sentence.

In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.

by t ball on Oct 2, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are a communist.

All rational, good thinking Americans were taught to put two spaces after a period.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Oct 2, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was proper grammar and formatting

but if I remember grade school english, they changed the rules to make it okay for one or two spaces.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Oct 2, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It actually isn't anymore.

I used to follow this rule myself, but my technical writing professors corrected me. I had a hard time letting go of it, but it really does make it easier to follow a paragraph of thoughts.

by jwiscarson on Oct 2, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How

Does it make it easier to follow a paragraph of thoughts? I think two spaces make it much easier to distinguish between sentences, especially when you are skimming rapidly.

by Back Door Yakker on Oct 2, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

I also use semicolons and subjunctive mood. You must really hate me, Dirk.

What the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh, it's got to be about job creation, too. Shoring up our economy, and getting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade. -- Sarah Palin

by Lucas on Oct 2, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

I only checked the last four or five entries on your blog, but all of them featured one space after period formatting.

A mistake, perhaps?

And I could never hate on you, Mr. Lucas, sir.

Your Ranger analysis can only be called “The Shiznit”. There’s really no other way to describe it.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Oct 2, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love to use semicolons!

I also know that I don’t use passive voice and I use “who” and “whom” correctly.

www.douchebagface.com – music blog, I’m Daigle on that; Black Keys and Sunset Rubdown reviews are the latest two posts; both mine. Semicolon.

by FuturePants on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sunset Rubdown really frustrate me

They’re really talented and they make some great music, but it seems like a lot of times with their songs just when I’m really getting into it they decide to totally change it up and just “noise it out” or whatever. I love the fact that they sound so weird, but sometimes going all verse-chorus-verse and sticking with a tune for longer than thirty consecutive seconds ain’t such a bad thing, ya know?

That being said, I really liked their last album. Mending of the Gown is one of my most favoritest recent tracks of the past year or so. There’s a kickass live version of that song I really dig available as a for-free download here if you’re interested.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Oct 2, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I am always interested in good music.

I am an editor of a music blog, for chrissakes! Thanks for the link; if you think Sunset Rubdown is a little too out there, definitely get Wolf Parade’s latest (common link is Spencer Krug), At Mountn Zoomer. If today were December 31, it would get my nod for album of the year.

by FuturePants on Oct 2, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yah

I’m a big fan of Wolf Parade.

It’s a good album, for sure. The Grey Estates, Kissing the Beehive and California Dreamer are all in my “randomly find myself humming” repertoire at the moment.

I have no idea what my choice for album of the year would be at this point. I have such a hard time remembering when shit came out.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Oct 2, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And tons of shit comes out....

…that gets swept under the rug or easily forgotten or that nobody ever even hears about. I mean Sunset Rubdown had seriously like 150 people at the show the other night, I was embarrassed for Dallas because unlike the Rangers, Sunset Rubdown deserves a much larger audience.

by FuturePants on Oct 2, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jenny Lewis

Her latest. Yes.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Oct 2, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

living in carolina....

you ever check out the Avett Brothers?

by bdavison94 on Oct 2, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some

I have to be honest, I have hated what I’ve heard. They are not my style.

by FuturePants on Oct 2, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

…I also don’t want to sound like I think I’m some sort of music elitist. In the last month I have been to see bands that are electronica dance, blues rock, indy pop, and hip hop. I just am not sure the Avetts do it for me.

by FuturePants on Oct 3, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No I haven't

Should I?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Oct 2, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they are great....

but very different from a Wolf Parade.

I like a very wide range of music. A weird mix of traditional, bluegrass, a little punkish sometimes. Check them out but as I said above, they aren’t for everyone. Live is best of course.

by bdavison94 on Oct 2, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll do so

But they better kick a lot of ass if you expect this to make up for the fact you almost caught me in two categories in the last week of the season and nearly cost me the league. You could’ve caused me to lose to Nikpin, broseph! And that would have been, like, sucky and stuff.

;)

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Oct 2, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just doing my duty.........

Couldn’t let you walk away with it.

What I kept wondering was, did you see my attempt coming and just hoped I couldn’t get there or did I catch you completely off guard? You’re reaction was swift and perfect once I forced you to take action. Well played.

by bdavison94 on Oct 3, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I appreciate it

it made the last two weeks fun.I’d rather lose a really competitive league than win a league where only one or two teams are even trying.

And, yah, I saw you coming. A lot of thought went into my moves down the stretch. But I was just hoping you couldn’t get there in W’s and K’s, cause if you got too close the only way I could counter would be to start picking up guys off FA and cycling them in there, which could’ve easily cost me 4 points in ERA and WHIP given how close those races were (Nik got within two points one day in the last week).

I thought long and hard about whether or not to snatch up every starter there the last two days, cause I knew if it backfired I’d be screwed… but luckily it worked out and I ended up winning by ten points.

That league was really fun and active this year.

Hopefully we can get the band back together next year and keep it going.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Oct 3, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes me sad

Although, to be fair, I copied and pasted that MJH post into MS Word and there aren’t two spaces in between those sentences… there are four freaking spaces. Four spaces in between them there sentences. That formatting didn’t bother you? Four spaces and you might as well start a new paragraph. It’s difficult for me to keep my reading flow going when the breaks are that large.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thou shall count

neither two, nor four, five is right out.

In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.

by t ball on Oct 2, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

neither two...

(unless thou then proceedeth onto thee).

by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 2, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, right after we kill people...

We can kill the more-than-one space people, but only after we kill people who use acronyms that no one new to Lone Star Ball can decipher, such as:
1) LAIE – “League-Average Innings Eater.”
2) OMFT – “One Man, Five Tools.” A reference to Gerald Laird.
3) TFOTF or FOTF – “(The) Face of the Franchise.” A reference to Michael Young.

This would mean that the order of people to kill is:
1) The Acronym-Happy
2) Multiple Spacers
3) Child Molesters

Republican or Democrat? You mean I have to pick just one? But what if I love violence AND hate liberty?

by YourNameHere on Oct 2, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to admit

it took me forever to figure most of them out. GhostofErikThompson’s fanpost on this was a huge help, but it’s long since disappeared into the vast wasteland of the archives…

by jwiscarson on Oct 2, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need a new FAQ

that lists the commonly used acronyms & nicknames. There is a list of FAQs for LSB listed on the left on the main page.

Don’t forget to include:
GDT
Any players/prospects who are usually referred to by only their initials (JMJ comes to mind).

by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 2, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It still exists...

http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/5/23/535108/a-users-guide-to-lone-star

I’m working on a new one that will have a bunch of updates. So, hopefully we’ll begin 2009 with a growing knowledge of all things LSB.

by ghostofErikThompson on Oct 2, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

YAY!

So…NRSTMP*?

*NR Said Throw More Pitches

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Oct 2, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOOOOOOO..........

Don’t you see what you’re doing? I mean, with Kiddie Rapers, there’s chemical castration, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, or we could send them to a deserted island. But with Acronym Fanatics, there’s no hope. You’d have better luck trying to flip someone who strapped explosives to his own chest. And you’re enabling these delinquents! Shame on you! This means war!

Republican or Democrat? You mean I have to pick just one? But what if I love violence AND hate liberty?

by YourNameHere on Oct 2, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot

RBiA

he’s still hitting better than Saltalasuckia—while playing vastly superior defense...Athos

by Escher on Oct 2, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is the part that worries me the most

If guys like Adair don’t agree with Nolan,are they going to be fired? Adair seems to be one of the big reasons why this franchise has so much pitching talent throughout the system.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Oct 2, 2008 11:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I'm sorry my parents never had me sarcamsized.

by rchawk12 on Oct 2, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Money quotes from Nolan

Yeah, they were part of a Galloway interview, but still…

“Before we can improve our pitching, we have to change the mentality. We are not grooming pitchers to be mentally and physically tough,” said Ryan. “I wanted that change to begin this season in the minors.”

And the result of what he asked for in Surprise?

“Not good,” said Ryan. “Most of them basically ignored me, and kept doing things the way they were being done.”

When it comes to pitching, how does anyone not listen to Nolan bleeping Ryan?

As of next month, however, when there will be no more benevolent Nolan, he told me this a couple of weeks ago in a radio show interview:

“Those who didn’t follow the plan, or don’t want to follow it in the future, I would suggest they look for work in other organizations.”

What the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh, it's got to be about job creation, too. Shoring up our economy, and getting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade. -- Sarah Palin

by Lucas on Oct 2, 2008 11:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hmm
When it comes to pitching, how does anyone not listen to Nolan bleeping Ryan?

perhaps that sounds myopic, but if he had said this, I would agree:

When it comes to conditioning, how does anyone not listen to Nolan bleeping Ryan?

by clark on Oct 2, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a lot of concern here

and we don’t even really know what the “Nolan Ryan Philosophy of Pitching Plan” is, do we? I highly doubt we are going to David Clyde our draft picks any time soon. I think this just means we may take the kids gloves off a little sooner, a trend that, it seemed to me, actually started this year with the aggressive promotions of Hunter, Feliz and Holland. I don’t think Ryan is going to grab Martin Perez by his bootstraps and tell him that if he wants to be recognized as a top pitching prospect, then he better get his lazy ass out of A ball and up to Frisco post haste. Let’s give Ryan a modicum of credit here. He will not expect every pitcher in the system to pitch like Nolan Ryan.

Also, I enjoyed this

He’s been at the controls as Edinson Volquez and John Danks were developed in this system. He was at the helm as Chris Young made his dramatic metamorphsis in this system. He was at the helm as Armando Galarraga seemed to find something special last summer.

I just really, really, really hope that JD proves, for the first time, that he knows how to handle young pitching when it gets close to the majors, how to evaluate its true value and true potential. I hope that when he is engaged in trade talks on guys like Greinke or Cain that he shows a better grasp of which pitchers in our system can get major league hitters out, and which pitchers can’t. I would love for the number of Ricardo Rodriguez’s we trade/give away to start to match the number of legitimate starters we send packing.

by clark on Oct 2, 2008 11:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think what we fear is not Nolan, but the unknowns of what Nolan is saying.

Most of what he has said has been very general. The specifics are that he wants pitchers to get through one more inning than they currently do and to be able to pitch additional innings after having a long one.

He thinks the Rangers need to work on conditioning and has called for higher pitch counts and more pitching between starts, including “live” batting practice (whatever that means). That’s all we know at this point. There hasn’t been any indication that Nolan will be involved in the plan of attack for a particular pitcher. He’s laying out the components he expects to be added to the individualized development programs, as far as I can tell.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Oct 2, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if it comes down to conditioning

then how could anyone disagree? we have a long legacy of pitchers coming back from winter in poor shape, and last year we enjoyed an amazing number of pitchers who became injured or struggled to maintain their velocity throughout the season. If all of this fuss is because of a little extra long toss and jogging, then yes, we are overreacting. If there is one thing that can be said about Ryan, it was that he maintained his excellent baseball shape long into his career, and his conditioning probably had more to do with his records than his actual ability to pitch.

by clark on Oct 2, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am going to slightly

exaggerate to make my point. A lot of bloggers here have characterized Ryan as big dumb hard throwing pitcher who got by on his God-given talent to be as good as he was. All nature, no nurture.
  He was in the majors from 69 – 72 just barely getting by, as he is characterized often on this blog. About ‘73, he began to harness his talents somewhat at the age of 26-27. He survived mainly on a somewhat refined version of his bionic arm for quite a few years. But, by the time he reached the Rangers, he had lost a bunch off his fastball, only reaching his former velocity a few times a game. He had learned to be a pitcher and was still able to amass impressive K totals with a quality of fastball more human-like.
I only mention this to say that to act like Nolan did not have to pick up a lot of the nuances of pitching and doesn’t know anything to pass on to younger pitchers does not fit the facts.

by mcgee48c on Oct 2, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no problems with having pitchers that are mentally/physically tough.

That’s a hard thing to teach, though. Mental toughness is more of a personality characteristic.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Oct 2, 2008 11:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Except personality traits can be influenced...

You can be mentally strong just by learning to push the bad thoughts away pretending nothing happened. But that only comes from learning to trust yourself.

by slimshadty12 on Oct 2, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the motto of 2009 should be

‘overreaction of the casual fan’

"Popularity is fleeting. Principles are forever."
"Maybe congress should take more vacations, whenever these people leave town, things just seem to get better..." - Jay Leno

by Longhorn on Oct 2, 2008 11:51 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

I like it

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Oct 2, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was 2008's motto.

2009’s should be “No, we’re getting better, really.”

In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.

by t ball on Oct 2, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to Hicks

You’d think 2009’s motto should be “2009 Rangers: World Series Champions.”

by FuturePants on Oct 2, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd think the 2009 mantra

Might well be “I didn’t see THIS coming”. Might be applicable either way.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Oct 2, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

"Asphalt me, ben. Asphalt me good and hard." - brettgardner

by Chase Irwin on Oct 2, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there are some counterbalancing

actions this year that would tend to offset some of these fears. One is the organization shut Feliz down to a 60-pitch limit starting sometime in August to help him adjust to a heavier workload this year. Another is that Feldman was due to be shut down to relief appearances at the beginning of August even though he was really the only pitcher who had a relatively consistent performance this year. Several unfortunate circumstances had to coincide for this plan to be abandoned.
I don’t think these actions were planned against Nolan’s wishes.

by mcgee48c on Oct 2, 2008 12:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well hey,

the pitching can only get better

"Tommy Hunter will be the best pitcher on the Rangers in 2009" Me- August 14th, 2008

To: Luis Mendoza "Please die in a fire." LSJ; PLEASE

by Seth. on Oct 2, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Much ado about nothin'

I do think they’ll try to get the pitchers to throw more, but I don’t think it’s going cause a rash of injuries or anything. Those who do get injured probably would’ve been injured anyway.

And I’m sure that this is just a general guideline anyway.

by Black Francis on Oct 2, 2008 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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