Boston fans on ESPN
by Coolbean04 on Oct 21, 2008 9:21 PM CDT
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If you go look at Boston's forum on ESPN, almost every single fan would love to do a Teagarden for Buchholz 1 for 1 deal. They like Buchholz but they're all in love with Teagarden.
I know we would rather package a deal with Salty and others for Buchholz. Say Boston doesn't want to do that though.
Do we have to pull the Buchholz for Teagarden trade?
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To bad the fans aren't the GM
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 21, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No question.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 35-23 to ULM? Come on. Well, at least we were competitive for once. Baby steps.
by sprite on Oct 21, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't
Tea is going to be a lot more valuable than an overrated Buchhlolz will ever be…
by Longhorn on Oct 21, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
This wouldn’t have anything to do with Tea being a former longhorn great does it.:) Whether you think Clay will be a bust or not the Rangers have catchers and to trade any one of them for a guy with the #1 stuff Clay has is a no brainer.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 35-23 to ULM? Come on. Well, at least we were competitive for once. Baby steps.
by sprite on Oct 21, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He strikes out a bunch of batters and up until last year never walked many.
If they offer us Buchholz for Tea I don’t know how we don’t take that.
Do you believe a) he was never any good, b) that he fell off this year and will never get back to how good he was before, or c) that he’s a Triple-A stallion who doesn’t have what it takes to cut it the bigs?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 22, 2008 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
teagarden or buchholtz
who is more likely to go to multiple allstar games?
who is more likely to win a cy young/MVP?
if you said this even at midseason this last yr we would have gotten laughed at
now…not so much
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by knockoutking on Oct 22, 2008 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buchholz
I’ve heard some people (mostly Law and scouts he has talked to) say that Buchholz was not hitting the same top velocity on his pitches as was advertised. Law is quick to point out that he has not seen Buchholz a lot in person, so he is not saying that Buchholz is overrated. Law did say that the scouts he talked to have seen Buchholz on more than one occasion. Then, Buchholz kind of faltered a bit in the bigs.
Teagarden, on the other hand, was supposed to be a great defensive catcher with only so-so offense. The defense has been great, while the offense has surpassed anything that I ever expected (which of course is based on reading a few things here and there on the internet).
In total, two highly regarded prospects got a small taste of the bigs this season. One fell short of expectations, while the other exceeded them. Since Teagarden looked better and is currently a Ranger, I find it difficult to part with him. Of course, there is no hard evidence that Teagarden will continue this production. Just as there is no way to be sure that Buchholz will not improve.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Oct 22, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
Bucholz had a no-no back in 2007. I would go to the BoSox with the attitude that TT is the Rangers starting catcher. They would need to give back something equal in return. Is Bucholz the best JD could do? I think FL might offer more.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Oct 22, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My head is spinning
Buchholz is a special talent. He was utterly dominant at every level in 2007. He has given up a single hit in 8 innings so far in the AFL, a notoriously hitter friendly league. He has what it takes to be a true ace.
And we think JD should haggle for more?!?!
If we can trade Teagarden for Buchholz, we should do it in a second (or less). If this happens, it allows you to trade Laird for any package of prospects (and not just major league ready pitching) and that should grease the wheels on his departure. Then you give Salty the starting job in 2009 and sign a veteran backup. That would be, in my mind, the perfect scenario.
by clark on Oct 22, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think Salty is
ready for primetime? Lets see how he does in winter ball.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Oct 22, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salty
he has nothing left to prove anywhere but the big leagues. It is time for JD to stop mismanaging this situation and to give one catcher the starting job and stick with him. Salty has become undervalued around here, but he has all the tools to become a very good major league catcher for the next decade.
by clark on Oct 22, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amen.
"M’s fans are such weenies." - Zywica
by lonestarJon on Oct 22, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hes been undervalued because...
his supposed best asset as a catcher, his bat, hasn’t exactly been the type of game changing talent we were led to believe.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 22, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salty was handled horribly last season, it's true.
He needs to be catching everyday somewhere next season, whether that’s in Texas, for another MLB team, or even if that means a stint in AAA to get his value back up a little.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 22, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
this is what SHOULD happen but will it?
i have no faith in ron washington to et him full time/near full time ABs
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"I'm more happy to be a Dallas Cowboy than when I got my first bike" - Roy Williams (WR)
by knockoutking on Oct 22, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it really up to R-Was?
He was put in a pretty crappy situation last year, imo.
Salty came up at a time when a well-liked veteran was playing well at his position. They pretty much had to split time. I don’t know what else R-Was could’ve done in that situation.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 22, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is R-Was
the worst nickname in the history of ever?
"They shouldn't throw at me. I'm the father of five or six kids."
-Tito Fuentes, after getting hit by a pitch.
by Haeger Champ on Oct 22, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, I think it's pretty obvious that it's the best.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 22, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any nickname
That is a truncation of a person’s actual name (NeRa, R-Was etc) only disrespects the person (player). Phooey!
Hehehehe …. not serious.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Oct 22, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever, E-Cof!
;)
Actually, yours is pretty sweet.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 22, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
First I’ve read that about Buccholz outside of SOSH posters.
I still think he’s the guy JD targets if Theo comes calling, though.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 22, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suppose this happens... who's our catcher going forward?
by oc on Oct 21, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I see Laird starting
and Ramirez splitting time at C/DH, but i’m not too sure what happens with Saltalamacchia…
because he hasn't even reached his peak yet, up until this point, he just did it on talent. - Ron Washington on Josh Hamilton
by Lonerangers on Oct 21, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AAA
playing every day?
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"I'm more happy to be a Dallas Cowboy than when I got my first bike" - Roy Williams (WR)
by knockoutking on Oct 21, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda ot: 'stros
speaking of catchers
I don’t think they made that big of a mistake by drafting Castro.
by Longhorn on Oct 21, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why?
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
by hinduplaya on Oct 21, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
and he’s getting nice reviews in short season and the fall league.
by Brett Perryman on Oct 21, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad
we had to settle for Smoak.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 21, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I mean Smoak should be more of an impact player, no doubt. But when you bypass a Smoak…or a Kazmir, it’s a lot easier to stomach if you get a nice player, rather than a Meyer. And at least so far Castro looks like a nice player at an important position.
by Brett Perryman on Oct 21, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
people thought it was a mistake because they picked for need and not BPA
but the gap between castro and the next catcher was evidently a HUGE drop (multiple rounds)
now was it what i would do? no
was he the BPA? no
was it a god aweful, horrible, no good pick? no
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"I'm more happy to be a Dallas Cowboy than when I got my first bike" - Roy Williams (WR)
by knockoutking on Oct 21, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Tea!
We have hitters and catchers already here.
Well, if it gets an equal caliber pitching prospect.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Oct 21, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only Holland and Feliz are on par or better than Buchholz
And neither one is ready to contribute in the majors just yet. If BOS really does offer Buchholz for any of our three young catchers, you have to pull the trigger. Even if we have to add a second player IMO.
"M’s fans are such weenies." - Zywica
by lonestarJon on Oct 21, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Dood...something is going down in Katy
got helicopters flying around…one actually kept hovering over my apt complex with a spotlight searching for something/one
So, i go and google ‘katy, tx local news’, and someone posted this…
yeah, im from a small town, not use to this if this is the norm around here…
by Longhorn on Oct 21, 2008 10:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Save us from your stupidity.
I don’t mean to beat you while you’re down kid, but for the love of all that is holy go away.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
by TheBZA on Oct 21, 2008 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boston fans.
You know what’s awesome. It’s when Red Sox fans call you before Game 7, telling you their team is unstoppable. All of a sudden it’s two days later, and you still haven’t heard from them. You call them out on it and they shrug it off and say they don’t really watch baseball.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
by TheBZA on Oct 21, 2008 11:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tea for Buc
would be a no brainer IMO.
by groundingout on Oct 22, 2008 12:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
anyone that would hesitate is a moron
by kumizi on Oct 22, 2008 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You never know.
Highly rated pitching prospects have flamed out before.
I’d just like to hear a specific reason to sour on Buchh before I, you know, sour on Buchh.
The guy had sterling peripherals all throughout the minors and I loves me some sterling peripherals.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 22, 2008 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sell high
Trade Tea for Buchholz and Buchholz only (or a Yovani Gallardo/Phil Hughes).
If they are only willing to give us Bowden+ or Masterson+, then they can have Laird+.
by chrisR on Oct 22, 2008 1:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yea this is the opposite of salty
teagardens value really cant be any higher than it is now
buchholtz value cant be lower than it is now.
always sell high (gagne to boston/lofton to cle) and buy low (lofton/bradley/gagne as a FA)
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"I'm more happy to be a Dallas Cowboy than when I got my first bike" - Roy Williams (WR)
by knockoutking on Oct 22, 2008 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trades
If we do in fact get Buchholz for Teagarden.
If a Salty for Bailey is on the table, do we make that trade too?
Our rotation can be sick with the possibilities of Buchholz, Holland, Feliz, Bailey, and Main.
by Coolbean04 on Oct 22, 2008 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Salty for Bailey
I’ve wondered about that one, cause Cinci will hang up on the Laird offer.
But for Saltalamacchia you can get better proven pitching, so I think JD will hang up on the Bailey offer.
It doesn’t quite match.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 22, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
salty for bailey
please no.
"I don’t know of a single thing Obama’s done except talk and write." - Newt Gingrich
"I'm more happy to be a Dallas Cowboy than when I got my first bike" - Roy Williams (WR)
by knockoutking on Oct 22, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would ya consider...
Salty for Bailey & Stubbs
by sftxfan on Oct 22, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stubbs i do not like very much
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"I'm more happy to be a Dallas Cowboy than when I got my first bike" - Roy Williams (WR)
by knockoutking on Oct 22, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trading Salty
for, or in a package for, a guy like Buchholz does not strike me as selling low, but trading him for Bailey does. Besides, I think the Reds are the one team seriously interested in Laird, and I think a match can be found.
by clark on Oct 22, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Exactly.
"M’s fans are such weenies." - Zywica
by lonestarJon on Oct 22, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we trade...
both Salty and Tea this offseason, isn’t it possible we could be left without a real bright spot a Catcher?
We know Laird is serviceable, and at times more than that. We think we’ve got a potential hitting machine in Max Ram but we’re not sure he can stay behind the plate. I just don’t want to see us calling Rod Barajas in 2 years asking him to come back.
If Tea gets you Buchholz and Salty+ gets you Cain or Grienke then you probably have to do them both. But I still would like to feel solid about our behind the plate situation when this team is ready to contend.
"They shouldn't throw at me. I'm the father of five or six kids."
-Tito Fuentes, after getting hit by a pitch.
by Haeger Champ on Oct 22, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Max
Wash didn’t play him, but I’ve heard as much good about his catching game as bad. Maybe more good.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 22, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have more catchers in the minors besides those 4
Laird is under team control for another 2 years so if we decide to trade both Tea and Salty we could conceivably keep laird for another couple years until he reaches free agency and then still be looking at a good defensive catcher ready in the wings.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 22, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather
keep one of Salty or Teagarden, unless we are really knocked over by offers. As I have stated elsewhere, I think the ideal situation is to trade Teagarden now while his value is so high and to trade Laird for prospects, give Salty the job out of ST and sign a veteran backup while Max catches every day in AAA.
by clark on Oct 22, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
But the team will favor Tea over Saltalamacchia in that scenario.
Wouldn’t be surprised at all if that’s how it shook out.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 22, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a name I haven't heard brought up before...
And maybe I don’t know enough about the guy’s situation, but here’s a thought:
Yovani Gallardo.
Would he be available if we called the Brewers’ front office about him?
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by utlonghorn24 on Oct 22, 2008 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think they view him
as their ace in waiting, esp if they lose sheets and cc
by clark on Oct 22, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I kinda figured that...
But wasn’t sure. I don’t keep up with the Brewers after all… haha.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Oct 22, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is as close to untouchable
as it gets.
by tyd3311 on Oct 22, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if JD can turn Teagarden into Buchholz
it could be his marquee trade…the reverse of the Danks trade.
by clark on Oct 22, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think JD already has...
his marquee trade. Feliz, Salty, Harrison, Andrus, Jones (and the players they are traded for) will leave their mark on this team for years to come. JD can add to his legacy (or continue his self-redemption) if he moves any C for Clay Buchholz.
"They shouldn't throw at me. I'm the father of five or six kids."
-Tito Fuentes, after getting hit by a pitch.
by Haeger Champ on Oct 22, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
i keep holding out on calling that his marquee deal until the big guns (Feliz and Andrus) make an impact in the majors, and Harrison and Salty truly solidify their status as useful parts of the big league squad.
But yes, chances are in one or two years there will be no doubt about that trade.
by clark on Oct 22, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laird
I am growing concerned about him. The two teams that made the most sense for him, Florida and Cincy, both seem to have found younger, cheaper catchers who they view as adequate for the time being (Baker in FL and Hanigan in Cin). It could just be posturing on their part, but I really don’t know if there is much of a market for a league average catcher. Perhaps Laird could be dealt to the Yankees for some of their bullpen depth.
by clark on Oct 22, 2008 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's all i want from Laird
A good bullpen arm.
by tyd3311 on Oct 22, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the Yanks
I would love to get David Robertson before he establishes himself in their bullpen. He put up sick minor league numbers but he is buried on their depth chart, so he might be available. I would ask for him and a live minor league arm who is not 40 eligible for a couple of years, and I would be very happy with that sort of package.
by clark on Oct 22, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we really want to part ways with him
We may indeed have to sell a little low on him, but I’m totally fine with that. Just as long as he’s not around to screw up JD’s deligation of playing time among the three young catchers, I will be completely happy.
"M’s fans are such weenies." - Zywica
by lonestarJon on Oct 22, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Laird going to FL.
They want to cut dollars. I think Laird is in his 2nd yr of arbitration and will probably make >$2M next years.
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Oct 22, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard
that they are willing to keep all of their arb eligible players. Again, this could be external posturing, but I take that to mean a trade of similar arb players, like, say, Laird for Scott Olsen (who I know brings mixed opinions around here) could be plausible.
by clark on Oct 22, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, Hanigan.
He’s less than a year younger than Laird.
But he’s my boy. Lived right down the hall from me Freshman year. Used to hang out a bit. Really nice guy.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 22, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hanigan?
Never heard of him.
Are you sure you aren’t confusing him with R-Han, Cincinatti Reds catcher?
Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.
by Brian Thomas on Oct 22, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever, B-Cart-T. (Like the rum, only with a sexier, more powerful vocabulary.)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 22, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be a pessimist, but...
Hanigan had 10 AB’s in ‘07 and 85 AB’s in ‘08. We all know how much Dusty loves playing rookies. If Hanigan is indeed the catcher of the future, then Laird could provide a short-term transition until Hanigan is “ready” in Dusty’s eyes. Then again, Votto got a significant amount of playing time, as well as Cueto and Volquez. The fact that Bruce only got around 100 AB’s is baffling. I really have no idea what is going in Cincy, but I would not be surprised if they found somebody else instead of Hanigan.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Oct 22, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan's already 28.
He ain’t gonna get too much “readier”.
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by thedirkatron on Oct 22, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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