Chris Davis end game?
by texaschief on Oct 27, 2008 3:27 PM CDT
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What is the organization going to do with Chris Davis?
I love what this guy has done on his way to The Ball Park in Arlington. I've loved what he's done since he's arrived. I would LOVE to keep him for the long-term.
We all know the problem though. His large body isn't ideal to play average defense at the third base position. If the the Rangers pick up Blalock's option, he might be blocked at the first base spot. Even if Bradley isn't brought back, Davis' tenure at first base might be short-lived depending on the advancement of Justin Smoak.
I don't think the best thing for the Rangers long-term would be to have a sub-par 3rd baseman opposite Smoak. I also think it would be a waste of talent to put the 23 yr old at DH for the rest of his career as well. I think Chris Davis NEEDS to be a first baseman. So, what would be the best thing for the Rangers to do with this guy?
Should he be traded for a top 3B prospect? Traded for pitching and let the Rangers promote from within at 3B? Keep him as the long-term 1B and make a decision on Smoak? Keep him at 3B or DH?
This kid just seems to be a HUGE asset for the Rangers not unlike their catching surplus. I was just curious what the LSB community thought would be the best thing to do with this guy.
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Keep him at 3B
See if he can become an average defender at 3B over time.
I would also keep the option of possibly putting a package deal together to get Nolasco/Cain/Greinke.
by Coolbean04 on Oct 27, 2008 3:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How About
Putting Smoak at 3rd if he is truly the better defensive player and see how he does
Didn’t they say by having davis on 3rd in the minors last year that if anything it could just build his range for first base?
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by Garcia34 on Oct 28, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak *is* left handed - but, he ain't here, yet...
…and, although he is rated an outstanding defensive 1B, he doesn’t project to be athletic enough (or fast enough) to play the OF…
DH Hank, put Crush at 1B where he will be a very good (well above average) defensive player with a very soft glove and quick, smooth, silky movement for a big guy and let him play there for ’09. At the trade deadline when contenders are sweating their socks off as to where to find some power for their playoff push, turn him for (if he hits the way he hit at Arlington last year – probably better) a Teixeiran haul that will further bloat our already burgeoning minor league system.
Then, you bring up the Smoaker.
Metcalf can man 3B and, with working with Rudy for a while, he should be able to provide adequate offense and excellent defense. Hank can back up both corner spots and Arias can back up Young and Ian (if Arias’ arm doesn’t come back, Ian can spot start at SS and let Joaquin just stay at 2B).
Ian has the arm strength to play over there and his range far exceeds Young’s. Arias’ range is even better and he doesn’t make mistakes. Plus, hit bat is pretty decent (not in Ian/MY’s class, but worthy).
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by eglooney on Oct 28, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say "Teixeiran" because...
…he still has years before arbitration then all his arbitration years ahead of him… he’s controllable for whoever wants to unload their farm for him…
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by eglooney on Oct 28, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see...
…that we need to be rushing to trade Davis.
And I mention Smoak as a lefty because it means that he can’t play 3B, as was suggested by Garcia34.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 28, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I'm sure the Rangers are happy to exercise that $6.5M option
so that Hank can play backup CIF.
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by Chase Irwin on Oct 28, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and Starting DH when he isn't Manning a Corner...
Hank would easily get 500+ PAs and $6.2M would be peanuts compared to some other Big League Player in the lineup.
Sorry, Adam… I was backing you up on the lefty throwing Smoak not being able to play 3B…
And, I’m not rushing to trade Crush. If Smoak doesn’t come through, the Big Bopper is our 1B for the next generation. But, if he could be turned for a massive bounty when Smoak gets to TBiA (I still don’t like the “Rangers Ballpark in Arlington” moniker nearly as much as I liked “The Ballpark in Arlington”), we still have a premier 1B and a countinuously bulging Minor Leagues.
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by eglooney on Oct 29, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'll be a defensive disaster
by Joey Matschulat on Oct 27, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently with some
Defense doesn’t matter, even if it adds half a run to a run every game.
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by DJCahill on Oct 27, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was under the impression that he wouldnt be horrible (adam dunn-level) out there
is that wrong?
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by knockoutking on Oct 27, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
Left Field in tBiA is actually pretty large and it would benefit us to have someone that could track down some balls out there. He would be much better suited for RF(or 1B for that matter).
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by nikpin on Oct 27, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Play him at 1B/DH
til Smoak is ready, then try to trade him.
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by DJCahill on Oct 27, 2008 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha, nice
I hate to agree with you, sometimes.
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by Chase Irwin on Oct 27, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
The difference between Max and Davis is Davis plays a position that can switch between DH and backup.
IOW, switch Davis and Smoak between 1B and DH. Gets them both 500+ ABs a year.
It even allows for Milton to stay around until Justin’s ready.
Max’s role remains confounding, but more and more I’m thinking it’s starting catcher up in the great Sooner state.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 27, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why make a decision until you have to?
hold off as long as you can before having to make a decision regarding smoak/davis- until they are both in the majors?
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by knockoutking on Oct 27, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how you extract the most value
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by Chase Irwin on Oct 27, 2008 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1B/DH, then worry about it again in about four years.
by Brett Perryman on Oct 27, 2008 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait
No point advocating anything right now. If in two years Smoak is ready and Davis has done a good job at 1B, compare the value of keeping both with one as a DH, trading the one who fetches a better return, or permitting one to fill a COF gap if that is the criteria for keeping a strong offense and good defense. Neither should have to hold down 3B here on a fast infield.
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by Ed Coffin on Oct 27, 2008 4:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Neither should have to hold down 3B here on a fast infield.
can anyone understnad WHY we have a fast infield? were already bad enough at defense, why make it even worse?
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by knockoutking on Oct 27, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its freaking Texas
You know how hard it is to have an area the size of a ML infield out in the direct sunlight and heat and have it still grow? Its not easy. Im sure there probably is some special kind of grass or something but the expense to install it and maintain it may not be cost effective.
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by bigsteve on Oct 27, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The expense of an infield should be negligible...
…compared to the other costs associated with an MLB team. Even if the cost is two or three million a year, (which I can’t imagine it would be), that’s a worthwhile price to pay if it results in more wins, fewer errors, etc.
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by rangersfan34 on Oct 27, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Infields
Professional playing surfaces, especially ones that get as much use as baseball fields cost alot of money to maintain. The initial install of it is probably pretty expensive plus I imagine the amount of work needed to do on it in between homestands would significantly raise the operating costs.
Are we talking about an amount that is astronomical? No. But its a cost that I doubt the Rangers will incur until they start seeing more revenue. Heck look how long its taken to get more/better video screens/boards. A whole new infield would probably be a bigger expense than that.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 27, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really not that hard
to get the Tiff to grow in direct sunlight. With proper fertilization water and mowing height it will thrive as long as you don’t cut into the crown of the turf retarding it. Tiff 419 and 439 bermuda grasses are also very drought tolerant. Not to mention there are admendments that you can add to the soil to retain mostiure.
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by boomer1 on Oct 27, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not saying it can't be done
But considering we haven’t upgraded the video equipment at TBiA when that is really a one time expense I doubt you will see the kind of upgrade you are talking about. Im no grass expert but to rip up the current turf and install a brand new surface in itself is a pretty costly expenditure. Couple that with the upkeep, which I imagine would be greater than the current situation, and its an upgrade that keeps costing you year in and year out. I just think on the list of things to do that overhauling the infield is waaaaaaaay down that list
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 27, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I do
I have a customer in Colleyville that has 14 acres and it looks better than the Temple, of course he spends about $22,000 a year for it to look that way and all I do is the weed control and fertilazition no mowing.
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by boomer1 on Oct 27, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off John Mccain or Tinker?
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by nikpin on Oct 27, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude this is the big leagues
if they wanted a soft infield with tall, thick grass, then they’d have it. The cost of something like that has basically zero impact on the franchise’s bottom line.
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by tricer on Oct 27, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
Its not a matter of them having the money to do it I just don’t think its at the top of their priority list and with the other improvements to the stadium that could have been made over the last several years that haven’t been done I don’t think an entire new infield that would require higher maintenance is going to get done.
You act like a few million dollars is nothing. And it isn’t in most cases. But this year with our attendance dropping and payroll going to stay relatively the same I imagine there are things that are going to get axed from the budget. A brand new infield would be one of the first things i would think gets axed especially with the price tag that comes with it.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 28, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a new infield doesn't cost a few million dollars
Hell, you can build an entire golf course for a few million dollars. An infield is made of dirt and grass – those aren’t particularly expensive commodities.
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by tricer on Oct 28, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are seriously underestimating the cost of things
New playing surfaces are expensive. To tear out the old and install the new and get it to be ready for play in 5 months is expensive. I’ll try and do some research later today or tonight and get a better idea but I am pretty confident we are talking in the millions rather than thousands.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 28, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can pay
$16 million for a “Shortstop”, you can afford the hundreds of thousands of dollars difference between our field, and a good field. The difference is basicly a groundskeeper who knows what he is doing. Go up the road to A&M, you can probably get their specialist on grasses or their Valedictorian for much, much less than Major league minimum.
The difference between a fast and slow field? Changing the height setting on the lawn mower and some pumped up water bills.
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by DJCahill on Oct 28, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reality
If you would get out of fantasy world for a second and look at the reality of the situation its a hell of a lot easier to cut the new infield from the payroll than the 16 million dollar shortstop.
Like I have said its not about whether we can afford it. I dn’t see us spending that money on a new infield when there are other improvements we could make and we just had a significant drop in attendance this past year coupled with a payroll that will not drop. Less attendance means less revenue. If you have the same payroll but bring in less revenue you are probably going to cut some extra stuff. Like a new infield. And a new jumbotron. And padding on the outfield wall that matches.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 28, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said before
the difference in a fast field, and slow one is mostly water and cutting an eighth of an inch higher. I still have problems understanding why you think that would cost millions.
Half a dozen years ago or so when ARod was here, RBiA was known for having a slow field.
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by DJCahill on Oct 28, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If thats all it truly is then fine
But from what i have read it would require an entire different style of grass which would require a complete overhaul. If all it takes is more water and a wrench to change the blade setting then do it.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 28, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a hitter!! Trade him for pitching!!
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by thedirkatron on Oct 27, 2008 4:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
How about...
…we leave him at 1B?
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 27, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Concur...
1B ’til Smoak is ready then DH.
Gotta deal him in 6 years before he’s a FA because Boras is his agent though. Still that’s so far down the road. I want him in the middle of the Rangers lineup ’til then.
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by slc ranger on Oct 27, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem i have
with leaving him there, is what do we do when Smoak is ready? Everything I’ve heard has Smoak as the more athletic player and the better defender with only a marginally lower offensive prowess than Davis.
I read the write-up you had about improving the infield defense and how drastically that would translate to better pitching numbers. I agree with that line of thinking and team building than trying to go out and trade for or buy big name pitchers. Upgrading the infield talent seems to be a cheaper and more efficient use of resources than trying to upgrade the pitching thru trades and Free Agents.
1B seems to be a position of strength with Davis, Smoak, Mooreland and now Blalock in the system. Why not try to parlay one of these guys into a projectable 3B prospect while upgrading the SS position with Vallejo or Andrus? Michael Young and his contract/defense is another issue that needs to be addressed for the long-term. If we can upgrade the defense on the left side of the infield while being able to move forward at 1B seems to be a goal the Rangers should strive toward.
I’m not suggesting trading Young right now, but only because there isn’t a player ready to step in. If Andrus or Vallejo become good enough to push for playing time at Arlington, that is when the Rangers should move Young. His offensive ability isn’t worth a DH spot and he isn’t a 3rd baseman. He should be traded for the long-term.
by texaschief on Oct 27, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whos gonna take him?
To get rid of him you will have to pay a significant portion of his contract anyway so why not keep him since we have no other 3B prospects in the system. He can be a good 3B especially with an Andrus next to him at SS
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 27, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
he could be part of a package with some other players. That’s one option. Also, his abilities would not translate to an above average 3B, defensively OR offensively. 3B are known for power and RBI’s. While Young certainly is clutch, i wouldn’t put him in the same company as A-Rod, Longoria, Beltre, ect. Hell, he wouldn’t even be close to what everyone projected Blalock to be.
I would rather try to include him in a package to build this team than convert him into something he can’t be.
by texaschief on Oct 27, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3B
I think the team that is about to win the World Series has a 3B that is more about defense than offense. I certainly would put Pedro Feliz in the offensive 3B category. We will have enough offense from other positions that we can take a hit so to speak from 3B.
His defense at 3B would be fine. Maybe not gold glove but better than what he is at SS. You don’t need the range at 3B you need at SS and his arm is no problem. Put a guy like Andrus at SS and it will make MY look even better.
As for the trade idea I would want to part with any top prospects just for the sake of getting rid of his contract. He has a position on this team he can play without significantly hurting the team
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 27, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wouldn't be
just to get rid of his contract. You include him in a deal so you wouldn’t have to give as many high prospects to bring back a player/pitcher that could help right now.
by texaschief on Oct 27, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobodys gonna give up anything of significance for MY
You would have to include one or more top prospects to get back a decent player. Not something I really want to do.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 27, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobodys gonna give up anything for MY
Fixed
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by nikpin on Oct 27, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to quarrel
But what makes you think he isn’t a 3rd baseman (defensively)? Good reflexes, good arm, decent 2nd stip range to his left, weak first step good 2nd step range to his right, pretty good at coming in on weakly hit balls.
I"m sort of resisting making any argument about his bat, but what if he gets over the hand injuries (and) resumes the spot in the box he used in 2004-2005, and contends for another batting title? Not saying he will, just that he could.
And yeah, his contract would seem to prohibit any favorable trade.
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by Ed Coffin on Oct 27, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As usual, Ed's the voice of reason
There seems to be a consensus on this board that Blalock’s contract should be picked up so that he slots in at either 1B or DH. Yet there’s so much hand-wringing over moving MY to 3B.
Who gives Blalock a better than 50% chance that he will be more healthy in 2009 than he was in either 2008 or 2007? Because of Blalock’s injuries, the Rangers have a two-year average OPS+ at 3B of 92 with Vazquez getting the majority of PAs at 3B the last two years. League average is 101. Young has a two-years average OPS+ of 102.
So if Blalock is the 1B and Davis is the 3B going into next season and Blalock stays true to form, then there’s still a 50% chance that you’ll have at least 250 ABs for Davis at 1B and 250 ABs for Duran/Metcalf at 3B, which puts you right back in the same situation where you’re well below league average at 3B because Blalock can’t stay off the DL.
Take the $6.5m that Blalock is supposed to get next year and get a 1- or 2-year rental shortstop for $6.5m and move Young to third.
by robert_d_wilfong on Oct 28, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worry about what we do when Smoak is here
when Smoak gets here.
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by DJCahill on Oct 27, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any plan for the future...
…that involves trading Michael Young is unrealistic.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 27, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+10
You might as well make a plan about time traveling to get Nolan Ryan and Kevin Brown in their prime to anchor the staff.
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by DJCahill on Oct 27, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think of the porcelain, Dan.
Think of the porcelain…
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by Rodney on Oct 28, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis
I think with Blalocks option likely being picked up he spends this year mostly at 3B. He can occasionally play 1B if Hank needs a day off or has a minor injury. And if Hank goes down for an extended time like he has the last two years he can move over there permanently.
Down the road it may get tricky. Smoak won’t be in Arlington in 2009 barring an absolutely tremendous season. The roster implications are too much to push him for a September cameo. Now if he is ready to go at Opening Day 2010 then thats a good problem to have. He and Davis can alternate between 1B/DH. Again Davis can play some 3B if needed.
Most likely Smoak probably won’t be fully ready until mid 2010. Say June of that year. I would think that the winter after the 2010 season will be when he gets moved if he does indeed get moved. Teams would still have him for 4 years of control and we could probably get that young stud pitcher in return.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 27, 2008 5:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Im fine with that
I was going under the assumption we would resign Bradley also
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 27, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DH
Would playing Hank at DH be the best thing for his trade value? I think its very very likely he gets traded at or before the deadline. Wouldn’t him being a 1B/3B be the best trade value for the Rangers rather than a DH? Playing him at DH may put the notion out there that he isn’t capable health wise of playing the field thus limiting the teams he could be traded to. Look at Milton this past year. I think we could live with Davis at 3B for 4 months if it brought back a better return for Hank.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 27, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think that it's a big deal
for his trade value. And I also am not real big entering a season worrying about Blalock’s trade value, when you’re talking about a half year rent-a-player. It just shouldn’t be very high on the priority list.
by Brett Perryman on Oct 27, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Hank
taking another one for the team…
by tyd3311 on Oct 27, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will request to be traded.
and I tend to think the Rangers will accommodate him, but i also think he will be traded before it comes to that.
by tyd3311 on Oct 27, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can work out a
good trade for him, great. If you can’t, he can play or retire.
by Brett Perryman on Oct 27, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"the best hitter I saw in the second half,‘’ one scout said.
I think there will be a good trade for him.
by tyd3311 on Oct 27, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Particularly given that...
…he’s hardly played the past two years, and apparently can’t handle 3B anymore.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 27, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lot of hitting starved teams out there..
by tyd3311 on Oct 27, 2008 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
What team would target him, and give up something of significant value for him?
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 27, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What team would target him, and give up something of significant value for him?
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by nikpin on Oct 28, 2008 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a 26 year old power arm for the back of the bullpen would be of significant value to the Rangers going into next season.. Im trying to fill a weakness if I trade Hank.
by tyd3311 on Oct 28, 2008 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants?
Why would a team that went 72-90 last year trade anything of value for a guy who is in his walk year?
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 28, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that
a stupid GM is a good reason to expect a team to make a trade.
by Brett Perryman on Oct 28, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides
we could give them an outfielder as well…
by tyd3311 on Oct 28, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Gorneault
ought to get it done.
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by Chase Irwin on Oct 28, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wholly disagree
Jon Daniels has indicated that upgrading the defense is a main priority..
by tyd3311 on Oct 27, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What part do you disagree with?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 27, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis spending most of the year at 3B
I just don’t see him being our 3rd baseman come opening day..
by tyd3311 on Oct 27, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very possible you are right
If we don’t resign Bradley we may very well go with Hank at DH and Davis at 1B. But doing that may not allow us to maximize Hanks trade value. Its alot easier to trade a 1B who can hit rather than a DH who can hit.
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by bigsteve on Oct 27, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard it mentioned somewhere
that Hank was rehabbing this offseason with the hopes of coming back as a 3rd baseman…? I think Hank would be extremely unhappy if he is brought back to DH.. and this quote makes me think Hank will a top trade target for hitting starved teams..
• Hank Blalock was "the best hitter I saw in the second half,‘’ one scout said. Of course, you have to remember some scouts don’t see all players. But it’s good to see Blalock getting his act back togethe
by tyd3311 on Oct 27, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't risk him at 3B
Maybe he could play there a couple times but I feel really leery about having him there full time based on the last couple years. The main thing is to keep him healthy. If he can play 1B and become a nice trade target I would be fine trading a few months of sub par defense at 3B for the prospects hank will bring back in trade.
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by bigsteve on Oct 27, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am just about willing to bet
Hank will be traded this winter.. And he will play 3B for another team next year.
by tyd3311 on Oct 27, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do find it amusing...
that the kid barely gets a half season in the majors under his belt and some want to know what to do with him.
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by slc ranger on Oct 27, 2008 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You would trade
5 years of Davis for 2 years of Greinke? I mean unless the Rangers somehow got a chance to negotiate a long-term deal with Kansas City, that seems pretty risky. If they got a long-term deal in place with Greinke first, I might be with you. Nevertheless, that is pretty darn improbable.
by Stephen Rushin on Oct 28, 2008 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
It’s six more years of Davis.
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by tricer on Oct 28, 2008 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
6 years of Davis >>>> 2 years of Greinke.
That would be a horrible trade for the Rangers imo.
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by slc ranger on Oct 28, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
Are you asking why it is improbable that the Rangers would get a chance to negotiate a long-term deal or why it would be a risky move to make otherwise? I think the latter is pretty self explanatory. 6 years of Davis is worth more than 2 years of Greinke.
by Stephen Rushin on Oct 28, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for keeping him
texaschief suggests trading him for a “top 3B prospect”, but there aren’t many of those out there.
There’s one proposal I could think of, though. Davis to FLA for Matt Dominguez and Chris Volstad. Such deal would obviously depend on whether the Marlins trade Mike Jacobs (arb-elegible).
Of course, a more plausible deal would be Davis for Dominguez + Nolasco or Olsen.
by chrisR on Oct 27, 2008 11:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Olsen or Nolasco?
That is a pretty big difference, if you ask me.
It looks like Olsen will be moved this off-season. Nevertheless, he probably won’t be that pricey. Nolasco, on the other hand, is very valuable. The Marlins would probably have to be overwhelmed by an offer to deal him.
I just can’t imagine the Rangers even considering a deal involving Davis unless they got back a top of the rotation caliber pitcher under team control for a while. Davis probably one of the single most valuable commodities this organization has, right behind Hamilton and Kinsler.
by Stephen Rushin on Oct 28, 2008 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would ya...
Tex gets: Dominguez and Nolasco
Fla gets: Davis, Laird and Vallejo
by sftxfan on Oct 28, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course, that's a no brainer
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by tricer on Oct 28, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah
Absolutely. Nevertheless, I can’t imagine that FLA would be okay with that trade.
by Stephen Rushin on Oct 28, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
davis at 1st
and hank at DH
Hank isnt important enough to say “oh is his trade value going to be effected if he DHs instead of plays 1B?” some team can put him at 1B if they really want his bat.
i would much rather get a stopgap at 3rd instead of metcalf though
by kumizi on Oct 28, 2008 4:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hank
I think alot of people are underestimating his value. The guy is only 28 years old next season. Same age as Teixeira. If he can come back healthy and play 1B for a few months and swing the bat like he has the last couple years when healthy he will have tremendous value to a contending team. Not the same package Atlanta got for tex this past season but a couple good prospects would be I think what hes worth. If you stick him at DH after these last couple years I think that drastically affects that trade market.
Theres no question Davis has a much brighter future with this club than Hank does but to me, just like with Max Ramirez, I would take a year or part of a year hurting the club to make it better. If sticking Hank at 1B for 3 or 4 months and CD at 3B helps this club down the road I will take a sub par defense during that time. Just like if keeping Max in AAA catching helps more than him up here DHing then I will suffer through looking at the box scores everyday. Its all about the big picture.
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by bigsteve on Oct 28, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Hank will do great
for the 2 months he is healthy.
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by DJCahill on Oct 28, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as that is before hes traded thats fine with me
Once hes traded he can come down with some mysterious illness for all I care (not that i would wish that on anybody especially a Ranger player)
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by bigsteve on Oct 28, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets hope hes healtyh for 3, and they are the 3 that are at the front of the season
then trade him before he falls apart
by laxtonto on Oct 28, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about
throwing Kinsler over to 3rd base? If Young could play 3rd, Kinsler sure as hell should be able to play 3rd. his offensive abilities seem to be more of what you’d want from a 3rd baseman anyway. Then, you could bring up Vallejo to play 2nd and take over the lead off spot as well, giving you the ability to move Kinsler’s bat toward the middle of the lineup.
Of course, this doesn’t solve the Davis/Smoak problem.
by texaschief on Oct 28, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kinsler's arm strength
isn’t really suited for 3B.
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Then I'd tell him that useless lug’s name is Michael Young. -- lonestarJesus
by tricer on Oct 28, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck the offense
Who cares if his bat profiles better at 3B. His bat is just fucking fine at 2B. He wouldn’t be an upgrade defensively at 3B. The Phillies are one win from the WS with Pedro fucking Feliz at 3B. Go look at his offensive stats and tell me if the Phillies should move Chase Utley over there.
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by bigsteve on Oct 28, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy killer
You’re telling me that Kinsler wouldn’t be an upgrade over Davis or Metcalf at 3rd base? He’d be better there offensively AND defensively. Plus, you’d get a guy at second who might even be a better defensive 2nd baseman than Kinsler in Vallejo.
You can say “fuck the offense” all you want, but putting Kinsler at 3rd wouldn’t exactly be the worst thing in the world. You’re right. Pedro Feliz isn’t a great offensive 3rd baseman, but that doesn’t mean the Rangers HAVE to have a poor offensive 3rd baseman if the options are there for them to be good there.
I’ve seen people all over the place on this sight suggesting Kinsler go to the outfield. Why is this such a stretch? He has the range, athleticism, and the bat to play 3rd base. His arm strength might not be ideal, but his range and bat would more than make up for the occasional poor throw.
by texaschief on Oct 28, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
range
You don’t have to have range to play 3B. Thats why moving MY makes so much sense. And with Kinslers defensive issues at 2B do you really think moving him to a harder defensive position is going to make him better? He doesn’t have the arm for it. One of his best assets, his range, will be nullified, and his error totals would probably go up from where they are right now. How is that a good idea?
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by bigsteve on Oct 28, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you will find many people
that think 3b is a more difficult defensive position than 2b.
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Then I'd tell him that useless lug’s name is Michael Young. -- lonestarJesus
by tricer on Oct 28, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not harder but completely opposite from what his skill set is right now
he has good range and not a very strong arm. Not exactly what you envision in your 3B. Personally I think it is a harder position but I can see the argument the other way.
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by bigsteve on Oct 28, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
think 3rd base is a position Kinsler can’t handle. I think the errors Kinsler makes, are from boredom and lack of concentration. It’s not that he’s necessarily making misjudgments on the ball or something due to lack of talent. Also, I’ve seen plenty of relay throws from Kinsler where he loaded up and fired to home plate. His arm isn’t as weak as you’re making it out to be. You make him sound as if he would be Arias over there.
Its true that you don’t need range over there, but having him over there with Young would make Young look a lot better at SS. The same principal you applied to Young at 3rd and Andrus at SS applies to Kinsler at 3rd and Young at SS. While its not essential to have range at 3rd, it sure as hell doesn’t hurt.
I just think if it’s the infield defense that you want to upgrade, putting three guys with SS type range in the infield wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. Especially if your only complaint is the 3rd baseman’s “sub average” arm strength.
by texaschief on Oct 28, 2008 11:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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