Rosenthal on Peterson and Maddux

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 29, 2008 8:32 PM CDT Comment 38 comments

Ken Rosenthal weighs in on the Ranger pitching coach situation:

One rival executive says that the Rangers' hiring of Rick Peterson as pitching coach would be "the biggest surprise of the winter," saying that Peterson and club president Nolan Ryan are "North Pole and South Pole" in their approaches.

Not necessarily.

Peterson's emphasis on conditioning and throwing strikes seemingly would fit with what Ryan wants to accomplish, and the former A's and Mets pitching coach remains a leading candidate for the Rangers.

Former Astros and Red Sox pitching coach Dave Wallace no longer is a candidate with the Rangers. The Brewers' Mike Maddux would interest the Rangers, sources say, but Brewers G.M. Doug Melvin has said that he wants to retain Maddux under the team's new manager.

I'm curious as to what about Peterson's and Ryan's philosophies would conflict.

Anyway, this seems to confirm the line of thinking that has the coach being either Peterson or Maddux.

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4 years 100MM for CC?

Hmmm…

"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."

by Longhorn on Oct 29, 2008 8:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He'll get way more than that.

That’s just a show-me offer for the fans.

I’d go 6/150 for him without blinking and you have to think a lot of other teams would to.

I have a feeling we’ll see the first 200mm pitcher this off season.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Oct 29, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but, 25MM a year is pretty huge

i don’t know if he will get that over a 6 yr period.

And, if he does something like that, he can get another huge/final contract in 4 years…

"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."

by Longhorn on Oct 29, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just checking but...

Am I the only one who is thinking “Who gives a shit who coaches this pile of ass-waste we currently have on the team”?

As far as pitching goes…

by SaltyGoesYard on Oct 29, 2008 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You and OC maybe

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by lonestarJon on Oct 29, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by knockoutking on Oct 30, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or "save us" as he calls himself these days

A Lonestar in California

"[Tim McCarver and Joe Buck] are the Gabe Gross and Ben Broussard of the broadcasting booth." - dirkatron

by lonestarJon on Oct 30, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey!

Are you oc’s brother?

You’re just pissed because Tech waffle stomped your ass.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Oct 29, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lonestar, Rodney and Fagwell...

…The tender trio…

GREINKE HO!!!!!

by oc on Oct 29, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whoah

F*gwell? Was that really necessary?

A Lonestar in California

"[Tim McCarver and Joe Buck] are the Gabe Gross and Ben Broussard of the broadcasting booth." - dirkatron

by lonestarJon on Oct 29, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Define: necessary

GREINKE HO!!!!!

by oc on Oct 30, 2008 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Heh

Yeah, that was a little TMI… but not something I’d dwell on, myself.

A Lonestar in California

"[Tim McCarver and Joe Buck] are the Gabe Gross and Ben Broussard of the broadcasting booth." - dirkatron

by lonestarJon on Oct 30, 2008 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, because

no one here ever makes that kind of gutteral remark in a hetero context, right?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Oct 30, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

'Oil Can', 'Amy Whine House', 'Fagwell'...

This is like fourth-grade all over again…

GREINKE HO!!!!!

by oc on Oct 30, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow.

You just lost any cred you had in my eyes. Later, redneck.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2

by Rodney on Oct 30, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

Redneck is a good word for him. He’s such an ignorant vermin.

Steal Home R.I.P. 9/10/08

by LAMuscleFag on Oct 30, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

I don’t think I’ve ever seen you say anything negative. You’ve been the complete opposite of me, actually.

by brettgardner on Oct 30, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well Brett...

I feel like I’ve got a stoned monkey on my back and I really don’t know why. I’ve been dying to try my Danny Bonaduce reverse flip maybe this is a good time for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9wK2hFmxT4

Either O C is bi-polar or he’s extremely anti-gay. Which is his problem. I don’t say shit to him and I’m fine with it. But I’m certainly going to defend myself. If he was giving me a hard time in person I’d kick his ass and be done with him.

If you look back at our run-ins it’s him starting in on me and me defending myself. I really try to be a gentleman on here…but with some people it just doesn’t work.

Steal Home R.I.P. 9/10/08

by LAMuscleFag on Oct 30, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey

I’m on your side. I think he’s an asshole.

by brettgardner on Oct 30, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks Brett!

You’re still my favorite guy on here, even before this! The smartest too!

I think the poor thing has gone off the deep end. Just in the last few days he’s called Rodney and me a wussy, told Spurdynasty that the ton of RECS. he gets are worthless, said that 80% of all GDT pics are “just terrible” and that a lot of posts on here should not be posted. I asked him if we should all send our posts and pics to him for his approval first since he’s the arbiter of taste apparenty. The same man who thinks it’s amusing to announce when he takes a dump. I’d like to know how he determines where the piece of shit ends?!?

It may be too late though.

http://www.asylum.com/2008/09/11/marijuana-quickens-the-onset-of-psychosis/

Steal Home R.I.P. 9/10/08

by LAMuscleFag on Oct 30, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not anti-gay. I'm anti-stupid.

You’ve spun this into an attack, when this is clearly a shouting match. ‘Oil Can’… ‘Amy Whine House’?… It might not be the most PC thing for someone who is not gay to say the word ‘fag’, but I have right to be stupid.

I only wish you would contribute more to this site instead of always stating the obvious… +1-ing everything… your constant jabbing at Gerald Laird and Kevin Millwood for being out of shape and not to your muscular standards…

…Linking to sites about the dangers of smoking marijuana and calling me a stoner… when you’ve dropped several posts advocating pot use…

But maybe you’re right. I need to learn tolerance. I wish I had made a smarter choice in not calling Rodney a wuss and you ‘Fagwell’… because this has really become juvenile.

I’m sorry neither of you can deal with my smugness… but, the best thing to do is not say anything else to either of you.

And that begins now.

GREINKE HO!!!!!

by oc on Oct 30, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm just

Not sure what it is that you contribute to this site, except some posts about going somewhere and taking pictures or other assorted images sprinkled throughout. Don’t get me wrong—some of them are funny, but I’m not sure I’d say that you’re doing much more than that.

I’m also well aware that I contribute nothing to this site.

by brettgardner on Oct 30, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll make a deal with you...

You don’t start in on me and I won’t start in on you. Thats fair and reasonable which is what I’ve been doing with you all along anyway.

As far as you cherry picking my posts that is simply not true. I’m almost always in a good mood on here. I applaud a lot of my favorite Rangers all the time. I love 95% of them. Yes Laird and Millwood are not my favorites but that’s hardly reason to hate me. I even go so far as to applaud those who make our GDT’s more enjoyable with my GDT awards post..

If you look back at our run ins its ALWAYS you saying something nasty to me and then me responding. I’d much rather be nice and have no drama but if someone gives me a hard time..I’m going to be in their face. That doesn’t happen too much in real life maybe because of my size..

But OK from here on out…let’s be civil …there really is no reason we both cannot get along…just get off my back. I wish you no ill will. I see us all as this big Ranger family and I just don’t understand why you were always on my back. Peace.

Steal Home R.I.P. 9/10/08

by LAMuscleFag on Oct 30, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Adam to try and answer your question...

I believe Peterson is a huge believer in pitch counts and we know how Nolan feels about that. Other then that not sure.

by slimshadty12 on Oct 29, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It's hard to say what Nolan really thinks.

They are both heavy into conditioning, but Peterson does a lot of out-of-the-box training – including sensory isolation (blind folds, ear muffs, etc.). A lot more is known about what Peterson knows/thinks/does than is known about Ryan’s beliefs.

As stated above, the big sticking point will be pitch counts. Peterson has been pretty strict in the past, and this could be a major problem given what we’re hearing about Nolan wanting to push the pitch count envelope a bit.

Mark Connor is/was a very strict pitch counter, but he was repeatedly given horribly inefficient starting pitchers, and every year his bullpen wound up overworked and exhausted well before the season ended.

My belief is that, if hired, Peterson will dramatically improve the results of a few pitchers (particularly Nippert, McCarthy, Mendoza, and Rupe), and he could have a huge impact on the staff’s horrible K/BB issue.

I can’t compare him to Maddux because, well, i know nothing about Maddux.

With Ryan being fairly active on the baseball side of things, I have to think he’d nix Peterson as a candidate if he didn’t think he and Peterson could get along philosophically. I’m not worried, but I don’t think Peterson is the top choice.

It's filed under 'D'... for donut.

by NoNameOnCard on Oct 29, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Disagree with this:

but he was repeatedly given horribly inefficient starting pitchers,

Agree with this:

every year his bullpen wound up overworked and exhausted well before the season ended.

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by NYTXFAN on Oct 30, 2008 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You don't think

the starting pitchers were inefficient? There’s a reason the Rangers were among the league “leaders” in walks.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Oct 30, 2008 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not worried, but I don’t think Peterson is the top choice.

+1 here – if he was he would already have been hired

by knockoutking on Oct 30, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

x

if hired, Peterson will dramatically improve the results of a few pitchers (particularly Nippert, McCarthy, Mendoza, and Rupe),

Why those guys in particular?

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 30, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can understand Nippert and McCarthy

Both are guys who have great talent but have had problems lasting long in games due to being inefficient with their pitches whether its through walks or just not being able to put hitters away.

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by Gdawg on Oct 30, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs