Friday a.m. things
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 3, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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T.R. Sullivan writes that the Rangers want to improve their pitching, and need to go get one, and maybe two, dependable starters from outside the organization. He also lists A.J. Murray as a candidate for the rotation and Bill White as a candidate for the bullpen, so either this was written a few days ago, or the Rangers are planning on bringing those guys back on minor league deals.
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Odd inconsistency
Sullivan says they need to add one, or possibly two starters but then later says
The Rangers could try and trade Millwood or Padilla to create an extra spot for a young pitcher.
I suppose those two things aren’t mutually exclusive, but trading either of those guys right now would be selling low. It would seem smarter to add a pitcher while keeping both of them going into next spring and let the young arms battle it out in camp.
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Millwood
I think you could probably get decent value for Millwood right now. His numbers were worse than they should have been this year. I could see a team targetting him since he only has one year left on his deal.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
180 innings
If a team trades for him and he pitches well enough to pitch those 180 innings I think that team wouldn’t mind the option kicking in. Just like if he pitches for us next year and gives us 180 innings I wouldn’t mind the option kicking in. He hasn’t been nearly as bad as people have made him out to be. Hes still made 30 starts each year in Texas. Only problem is here he is our defacto #1 and doesn’t put up #1 numbers. If he was our #2 or #3 people wouldn’t be nearly as up in arms as they are about him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
murray
doesnt he become a minor league free agent now?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Pitching
Here’s MJH…
O glory, for a Chad Billingsley in the Rangers’ org. Here’s hoping Fredo was watching that game yesterday.
Go Strangers.
good synopsis by mjh
I am getting really tired of the windbag radio personalities and the lets throw money at everything opinion.
Granted I don’t disagree with adding free agent pitching but it’s not the only solution.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
It's not the only solution...
…and it’s not the BEST solution.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
Yes
He’s the guy with the Billingsley numbers that’s already in the Rangers’ org. Good K rate, keeps it on the ground…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 3, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Now that the Mendoza bit has failed you?
"Asphalt me, ben. Asphalt me good and hard." - brettgardner
by inactive lsb user on Oct 3, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
its an easier sell to grow young pitching if you've done so in the past decade
that pitched more than one season here anyway.
the preceding post was a great success.
MJH always makes some good points...
…but he is always so damn extreme! There is zero middle ground with that guy; NO free agents are EVER worth it type of mentality, and I think that is a bit too far off the deep end. Trading half the farm for, say, Bedard would have sucked. Signing Chan Ho sucked. But are they all bad? No.
Incidentally, check out this worst product EVER from MLB.com: I weep for us when this is a lasting icon of the Rangers.
I was at an estate sale recently
and saw a Chan Ho bobble head doll. Truly disgusting. I went outside to throw up and by the time I got back inside he had given 5 runs.
by BEW on Oct 3, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have a CHP bobblehead at home
His glove is broken off, though.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 3, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You guys really are comparing a CHP bobblehead to THIS?!
Look at the master atristry. Look at the subtle lines and beautifully blended colors. Feel the POWER coming off the Park’s piercing eyes and clenched glove of fury. Bobbleheads got nothing on this masterpiece.
Whoops. There goes the liquid crystals from my monitor.
"Asphalt me, ben. Asphalt me good and hard." - brettgardner
by inactive lsb user on Oct 3, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL, TR
I suppose he has to list those names for the sake of illustrating depth, but if Kason Gabbard, AJ Murray and Bill White really wind up being candidates for next years rotation or ’pen it will mean the Rangers utterly failed to upgrade their pitching in any way, shape or form this offseason.
It is good to actually see in formal print that the Rangers don’t seem to be planning to offer Milton Bradley a multi-year contract though.
"M’s fans are such weenies." - Zywica
Its a shame
they were unable to move him at the trade deadline, when they might have done better than draft picks.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
Thats assuming teams were willing to part with something better than draft picks
I don’t think we have seen anything to make that assumption personally
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Then again
if the Rangers weren’t shopping him, you probably wouldn’t see many trade proposals.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
What's your take on this?
July 30, 2008
Q: Why isn’t anyone interested in Milton Bradley for a trade? He is hitting well and is in the lineup daily?
Joe
GRANT: Still recovering from last September’s serious knee surgery, Bradley isn’t capable of playing the outfield on a regular basis. So you can cross off the entire NL. Then cross out the non-contenders in the AL, which eliminate half of the 14-team league. And finally cross out clubs that don’t have need for a DH, such as Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago and Detroit. It leaves you three clubs: Tampa Bay, New York and Minnesota.
The Twins rarely pay a heavy price for rental players. The Yankees have had more pressing needs (outfield help and now a catcher). The Rays just haven’t shown much interest.
Factor in also that the Rangers have made it clear that they would want compensation equal with Bradley’s performance, which is to say they would want a lot of compensation. As I write this, Bradley remains the AL leader in on-base percentage (.441), is second in slugging (.583) and leads in OPS (1.024).
Unless somebody bowls them over in the final hours before the deadline, the Rangers are content to let Bradley play out the season and then they will entertain whether to try and re-sign him or not.
http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/nwsltr/sports/rangers/stories/073008dnsporangnewsletter.36a84ca.html
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 3, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
One other point...
Minnesota and Tampa both play on turf at home, which means neither of them is likely going to be that interested in Bradley, whose health issues are going to be exacerbated playing on turf.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 3, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes I agree...
…there were too many things working against a “blockbuster” type deal for the AL’s best offensive player (when healthy).
The turf situation plus the pendulum swinging back towards teams overvaluing their own prospects in the wake of 2007’s deadline deals were certainly big factors.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
Bradley
Not only was there no deadline market for him, but I bet he goes pretty cheap this winter too.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 3, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
makes no sense
He had a routine and successful ACL repair right? All professional athletes generally return from this to play full-speed in football, soccer, and basketball, so a baseball player should have less of a problem doing so. Unless he is basing his info on negative rehab/medical reports, then he is just talking out of his arse…
Most athletes
Don’t return to action a mere 6 months after the injury. It usually takes guys a full year of rehab to return.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
12 months is generally the rule to start playing
18 months+ till you finally feel confident with it. I never felt confident with mine afterwords and stopped playing lacrosse because of it.
Its a weird injury for baseball players because of the amount of torque place on the
knee with the swing and then the start stop sprinting in the OF and the basepaths.
I was referring to
his ability to be 100% next year, which will be 18months post-surgery
He should be
You should have made that clearer in your comment.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
It's all good
I should have cut and pasted Grant’s comment since that was what I was responding to.
I really don't think a market for Bradley...
…ever developed. At least not to the point that the return was significant.
Physician: Primum non nocere
Batter: First, make no out
You keep harping on this
Who do you think would have given up something of significant value for him?
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 3, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
The thing is,
you can’t rely on getting 30 starts each from Gabbard or Murray.
They’re nothing but organizational depth, there to get a few starts (before they get hurt again) whenever Millwood tweaks his groin or McCarthy has a bad hair day.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
There would have been a market if he could return to the OF
but instead he couldn’t. Not a bad gamble for one of the top offensive produces in the AL for 5M, even if he didn’t get dealt, he will be worth picks.
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