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Kevin Goldstein on elite minor league pitching stats

Over at BP today, Kevin Goldstein has an item up discussing minor league pitching prospects and what stats he looks at in evaluating them.

Goldstein explains:

A great deal of the e-mails and chat questions that I receive concern pitching statistics, with most writers wanting to know what numbers they should look at when evaluating prospects, and which are more relevant than others. My answer usually begins with the caveat that you really have to have scouting reports, and that you can never judge minor leaguers at any level by numbers alone. While it's still baseball, the minor league game is very different than the major league version, and there are certain skill sets that can lead to great-looking numbers in the minors, with little or no promise of big-league success.

That said, there are numbers that I do look at, and they involve keeping the ball out of play (strikeouts), and keeping runners off base (hit and walk rates). Combining those things, I use a simplistic measurement I call MBN, or Missed Bat Number. The simple formula is K-H-BB, or strikeouts minus baserunners allowed. Divide that by innings pitched and one gets MBR or Missed Bats Ratio. On a basic level, any positive number (which would indicate more strikeouts than runners allowed) is outstanding, and the all-time major league record is +116 by Pedro Martinez in his ridiculous 1999 season that included 313 strikeouts against only 128 hits and 32 walks.

Goldstein goes on to explain that there were only 11 minor leaguers who had a positive number this year in at least 100 minor league innings, and offers a little write-up on each.

The Rangers had two of those eleven pitchers (only the Indians also had as many as two), Neftali Feliz and Derek Holland, and I particularly liked one line Goldstein has about Holland:

He's also my favorite kind of breakout player, because when you ask the Rangers themselves to explain the sudden increase, the answers basically amount to, "don't know, but I'm not complaining about it."

Of course, the Rangers' major league staff this year only had one pitcher who ever posted a positive number in a minor league season where he had at least 100 innings.  That guy did it twice, and still was rather underwhelming in 2008...

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Pedro '99

And that was 9 years ago …

"Asphalt me, ben. Asphalt me good and hard." - brettgardner

by Chase Irwin on Oct 3, 2008 12:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that season by Pedro...

…can be overrated. Un-effing-believable.

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Oct 3, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

After further review...

…while the ’99 season was phenomenal it was the ’00 campaign where Pedro had the 0.737 WHIP and 291 ERA+.

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Oct 3, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back in the day,

Pedro coming to town was pretty much a stop down, must get tickets kind of thing. Best pitcher I ever saw when he was in his prime.

"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky

by DJCahill on Oct 3, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

He was one of those pitchers that would make you say wow as he was mowing down your team and you liked it.

A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555

by boomer1 on Oct 3, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Derek Holland

You think when he gets to the bigs, there’s a fan club pre-made wearing Dutch National Team soccer jerseys? Nice, big, orange section out in left field bleachers.

"But the major difference is where Showalter tried to overthink everything Washington at times seems like he isn't thinking at all. " - rentz

by hillcrest on Oct 3, 2008 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dutch deserves a grand opening

of some sort.

"Asphalt me, ben. Asphalt me good and hard." - brettgardner

by Chase Irwin on Oct 3, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like that!

But who exactly would get the reference? Not a lot of int’l footy and baseball fans in North texas.

Plus the Dutch Football Assoc would wonder why in the heck a sudden spike in jersey sales from north texas…

What's the rumpus?

by Hypo-Luxa on Oct 3, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dutch

That nickname needs to go.

Can we not do better than that?

Last week I took a pleasure trip. I drove my wife to the airport.

by Brian Thomas on Oct 3, 2008 1:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I prefer the more operatic

Der Fliegende Hollander.

In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.

by t ball on Oct 3, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks...

…I laughed at that.

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Oct 3, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They speak Dutch in Holland

so “the flying” would be “Het Vliegen”

unless you were going for Deutsch, in which case i’m an asshole

If there were no rewards to reap,
no loving embrace to see me through this tedious path I've chosen here,
I certainly would've walked away by now... Be patient

by trident on Oct 3, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was referencing

Wagner’s opera of the same name.

In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.

by t ball on Oct 3, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I first saw this...

…I just assumed it was shroomer who wrote it…

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 3, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

shroomer is a cultured guy,

but I’d wager I’m the only poster here who has conducted opera (though not that one).

In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.

by t ball on Oct 3, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is that your job?

or do they let part-timers do that? interesting jobby (terrible portmanteau of job/hobby) either way

If there were no rewards to reap,
no loving embrace to see me through this tedious path I've chosen here,
I certainly would've walked away by now... Be patient

by trident on Oct 3, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a regular job.

I never did it regularly, just occasionally for a small company, and I’ve probably conducted my last one. Mostly I’m a piano teacher and vocal coach/accompanist, and I am a partner in a small artists management company that represents opera singers. Most musicians make money in several ways unless they land a really sweet gig. In my case I discovered I was a better teacher than performer and ran with that.

In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.

by t ball on Oct 3, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Maestro!

"Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states" - Barack Obama

by DaheelzCM on Oct 5, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cultured?

I have a 12-pack of Miller hi-life in the fridge and I sat entranced last night watching the season-premier of Smackdown. Yeah, I’m cultured. Right.

by shroomer on Oct 4, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said

living the high-life. Cultured.

In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, love.

by t ball on Oct 4, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

You can lead a hortaculture …

by shroomer on Oct 4, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Goldstein mixed Pedro's...

…1999 and 2000 seasons together. The K total is from ’99 but the hits and BBs are from ’00. He had 284 Ks in 2000.

Physician: Primum non nocere

Batter: First, make no out

by Chad Crudup on Oct 3, 2008 1:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OT-

http://gizmodo.com/5058698/so-thats-what-cnns-political-crew-is-doing-on-their-laptops

The guy is keeping up with his team with Gameday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXWLfIgc0nA

by mchang4 on Oct 3, 2008 1:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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