Thursday a.m. stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 30, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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There's another article out of Milwaukee out there today about the Mike Maddux situation, where Ken Macha is expected to be named the manager of the Brewers.
It confirms that Maddux will be able to talk to the Rangers once his contract expires on Friday.
Meanwhile, the leading candidate to take over as pitching coach in Milwaukee, should Maddux leave, is...Rick Peterson, the other candidate for the pitching coach job in Texas, and Macha's former pitching coach in Oakland.
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If Maddux is hired
I’d like to hear the organization explain what philosophy/style factors put him ahead of Peterson since we know more about Peterson.
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by t ball on Oct 30, 2008 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maddux
my guess is that its more the fact that he’s familiar to ryan and peterson is not.
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by rentz on Oct 30, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd bet anything that's it in a nutshell
If possible Ryan probably wants the pitching coach who he knows and already agrees with his philosophies, so he can make sure his pitching ideals make as much of an impact as possible on the big club. My speculation is he really wants to make sure he’s one who becomes seen as the “savior of the Rangers” – the guy to lead this team out of the pitching dark ages – to add credibility and popular opinion to any future ownership coup he might try to organize. I think that’s why he’s been so insistent on getting his ultimatums on pitching and conditioning instituted, and hiring Maddux is just a continuation of that.
"[Tim McCarver and Joe Buck] are the Gabe Gross and Ben Broussard of the broadcasting booth." - dirkatron
by lonestarJon on Oct 30, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
NR needs to be the ‘saviour of the Rangers" so that he can actually make a name for himself in baseball. And its plain as the nose on your face that he’s trying to squeeze HIcks out as owner.
When did Oliver Stone become a blogger here?
by mcgee48c on Oct 30, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddux and Ryan
How exactly has Maddux worked for Ryan before? Is it simply because he was pitching coach for the team Ryan owned? Because from my understanding the Astros relegated any and all personel for their minor league team. Including who was the pitching coach and how that pitching coach taught their young pitchers.
The Rangers hire their minor league coaches and give them a sort of guide as to how they want their prospects developed. The owner of the affiliate has nothing to do with that.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 30, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i, too
am very curious to hear what qualities Maddox has that makes him more qualified than Peterson. Does anyone know of any pitchers who just seemed to “find it” with the Brewers over the past few years? I guess they have that McClung kid, who finally put together a good year in the bullpen. Anyone else?
by clark on Oct 30, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've developed some young pitchers that have performed well.
Giovanni Gallardo, Manny Parra are probably the best of the group.
I wanna know if Maddux made Oswalt throw BP and run sprints.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Oct 30, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he can get top prospects
to perform up to their potential, then he will be perfect here.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Oct 30, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would put my money
on Maddux being the pitching coach and Hawkins in the bullpen. Is that the best place for Hawkins? Should he go back to OKC?
Nolan Ryan should be the Rangers president, GM, manager and pitching coach.
by RangerMad on Oct 30, 2008 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Based off everything I've heard about Hawkins
I want him at the big league level in some capacity.
Peterson is beginning to look like Plan B.
by Joey Matschulat on Oct 30, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This seems obvious
but it probably bears much repetition over the next few years as all these guys break in and initially look a bit lost.
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by t ball on Oct 30, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, they've all been rushed!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 30, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of these days
I’m going to DB mine the baseball data. I firmly believe that there is a high probability that if you aren’t league average by the end of your 2nd year in the league, the odds of you being a successful starter aren’t very good. I’d be curious to know what that probability is. My suspicion is it is around 90%+.
It’s tough for me to find a bunch of guys who have sucked for 2 straight years, and figure it out. I have no doubt there are som in all of baseball, but its pretty rare. I suspect its even rarer if he stays with the same pitching coach.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
i should do something like this as a programming exercise.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Oct 30, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Connection?
Mike’s post (and my reply) regarded rookies, not guys who sucked for 2 straight years. I am sure you’re right about guys who sucked badly for 2 whole seasons, that’s a good-sized sample.
spurdynasty will probably read your post and come up with a 500-word fanpost on it later tonight.
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by t ball on Oct 30, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
spurdynasty will probably read your post and come up with a 500-word fanpost on it later tonight.
You’re probably right, and I look forward to reading it :)
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by lisa w on Oct 30, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I know you are right about the first year not being a good predicter for a players career. What I am interested in is how many years does it take to be a good predicter? Is 2 years enough? Do you need 3?
It appears to me that the vast majority of good pitchers are league average in their 2nd year. That is important if you are following guys like Hurley or Harrison. Both were fairly crappy pitchers this year, and the question is how much time do you give them before you shuffle them off to the bullpen, and look at the next group of prospects?
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hurley
His ML sample, though small, was not a poor performance.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 30, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 quality start
in 5 appearances, a blowout loss, a five and a half ERA, a 80 ERA+, a K/9 under 5, a K/BB of 1.44, HR/9 of 1.8.
That ain’t good. He needs to improve dramatically.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Pretty small sample to make much of a judgment.
by brettgardner on Oct 30, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why
next year is the big year for him. However, I’m disagreeing that it “wasn’t a poor performance”. It was a poor perfromance, albeit a small sample that’s not necessarily predictive of anything.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Cahill: home of the preordered negativity.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 30, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot
its negativity on this board to be dealing with reality. Much better to be delusional and say that Hurley’s year wasn’t a poor performance.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sanity
Is recognition of sample sizes.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Oct 30, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the sample sizes
I don’t understand saying it wasn’t a poor performance.
Some folks are just too politically correct to call a spade a spade. It was small sample, and he was crappy in it. Hopefully he looks much, much better when he gets his next opportunity. I seriously doubt any pitcher is going to have success in front of a defense anchored by the FoTF as “Shortstop” unless he can strike some people out, and Hurley had very little success striking folks out.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Eric Hurley pitched four games in June where his ERA was 3.57. He had 12 strikeouts over 22.2 innings (4.76 K/9), a 1.71 K/BB, and a HR/9 of 1.19. Hurley’s last performance in June, on the 29th, against World Series Champion Philadelphia, was particularly impressive, as he went 5.2 innings, giving up one earned run on five hits and two walks.
But Hurley then suffered a strained left hamstring, and was placed on the 15-Day Disabled List on July 8th, retroactive to to June 30th. What’s interesting, in light of the multitude of injuries to Rangers’ pitchers this past season, is that, despite being able to come off the DL on July 15th, the Rangers waited until July 27th to pitch him again. Against Oakland, he gave up six earned runs on four hits (including two home runs) and two walks. Hurley went back to the Disabled List five days later, and didn’t pitch again in 2008
I guess a lot comes down to whether that poor two inning showing of Hurley (on its own, that’s a 27.00 ERA, 9 HR/9 and 3 WHIP), after being on the Disabled List for nearly a month, represents an aberration, or whether it’s representative of what you should expect one-fifth of the time that he takes the mound. Looking at his other four performances, he looked rather promising.
Never say you can't do something, because when you do, you're likely creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Oh yeah, and know your limits.
by YourNameHere on Oct 30, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Far more articulate than I can manage.
I think I’ll bookmark this comment.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 30, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What it really comes down to
is that when Hurley was doing well, he still wasn’t striking many folks out. As long as our defense is what it is, I can’t see any low strikeout pitchers having success with the Rangers. He is going to have to get his major league K rate closer to his minor league k rate if he wants to have success on the Rangers.
As long as we are going to have all bat no glove players at the majority of our positions, we pretty much have to get pitchers who can put away hitters without any help from the defense.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If You Had to Face Eric Hurley...
I guess this really comes down to the question regarding whether or not the grass really is greener on the other side. If somebody showed me a Los Angeles Angels starting pitcher prospect who had a 3.57 ERA, 4.76 K/9, and HR/9 ratio of 1.19 over his first 22.2 innings as a 22-year-old, who then went on the Disabled List for a month, came back for a disastrous two inning appearance, and then was placed on the Disabled List for the last two months of the season, I think my heart my sink a bit. Especially if he had averaged over eight strikeouts per nine innings as a minor leaguer. Remember that players can, and often do, improve.
Never say you can't do something, because when you do, you're likely creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Oh yeah, and know your limits.
by YourNameHere on Oct 30, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy's fastball sits in the 90-92 range...
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Oct 30, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad
he was unable to strike folks out with it. He needs to work on that.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might find this interesting
Ross (CA): When you discussed the value of Peavy it got me wondering whether or not you believe that Greinke and Cain would be worth similar packages to what Haren and Bedard netted? They seem like more valuable pieces due to their ages, payroll control, and potential no?
SportsNation Keith Law: (1:54 PM ET ) And their lack of recent arm trouble. Cain’s contract is outstanding, so he’s got the most value to me. Greinke has only two years left of control, I believe, so he’s got the least.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 30, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In two years, this team could be in excellent shape with Greinke at the top of that rotation.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Oct 30, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then in three years...
We would see Greinke leave and see all the players we had to trade away for him doing well and under team control for someone else for years to come.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 30, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waaaa
or we could sign him to an extension. Or he could be traded. Or they could let him go and take the draft picks. In the meantime you had an excellent pitcher for two years.
It all depends on the cost in prospects. You don’t avoid him altogether just because he’s under team control for only two years.
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by t ball on Oct 30, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't get how people don't get this.
I agree we shouldn’t give up the farm for Greinke…
But, look at the situation he would be coming to… in two to three years… with him at the top-of-the-rotation… and those bats in the line-up…
How could he not at least consider signing with this team?
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Oct 30, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain
A lot of mileage on that guy for his age, though. I’d rather have Greinke, who should cost less as well, in my opinion.
We will probably find out on about Dec. 22. Seems like Daniels likes to spring these deals right before Christmas.
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by t ball on Oct 30, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Klaw
Brian Sabean (SF): Should I trade Cain for prospects, a bat or hold on to him?
SportsNation Keith Law: (2:40 PM ET ) Hold on to him. I have been as hard on Sabean as anyone, but in that division, with that pitching, they’re not THAT far off from contention. They really need to upgrade their defense, but if they do that and add one big bat, they’ll be respectable – Lincecum, Cain, an improved Sanchez, Zito as the 4 or 5. They should flip All-Star Brian Wilson to a team that wants to sign a closer as a FA and misses out on K-Rod and Fuentes.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 30, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Say a pitcher gets called up in September, and comes in during the 7th inning of the only game he’ll play that year. He faces two batters—one he gets to hit into a weak grounder, and the other hits a homerun. Did he have a poor performance that he needs to improve on dramatically?
by brettgardner on Oct 30, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like
something like 25 to 30 starts at least, particularly if a guy as been a good prospect all through the minors. If a guy has some weakness in stats but looks like he’s making progress on the mound, then you give a little more leeway. If a guy looks completely lost and sucks ass, like Mendoza, you send him back to AAA or stick him in the bullpen until and unless he makes important strides to deserve another chance.
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by t ball on Oct 30, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a strong MJH backer
but here he is just playing with numbers. as many people mentioned in the comments, it helps to look at a pitcher’s peripherals, and when you do that with Harrison, they just don’t add up. I like Harrison and it was evident that he was making strides, especially towards the end of the season. But that K rate would suggest that he needs to cause extremely weak contact to be successful, and the numbers show otherwise.
by clark on Oct 30, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
he just posted the ERAs because that was the complaining he was hearing — “look at Harrison/Hurley’s ERA..there’s no way they’ll be any good>”
I’m certain he knows the difference and is merely making the point that just looking at ERA won’t predict future performance.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 30, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me get this straight.
Macha might prefer Peterson. JD might prefer Maddux. Melvin doesn’t know if Macha will prefer Maddux because Bud won’t allow announcements during the World Series. But, he will let the World Series become a debacle and blame meteorologists for it. Nobody knows what Maddux wants to do. Peterson might like to work in Texas but that might change if a job opened in Milwaukee. Maddux worked for Nolan. Nolan hates pitch limits. Peterson loves them. Peterson worked for Willie Randolph who faced Nolan Ryan 31 times, striking out 8 and batting .151.
Nolan wants pitchers to throw 15 minutes of BP, run sprints for 15 minutes, and throw DP for 15 minutes more.
Millwood wants to fish.
I hate Bud!
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Oct 30, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd
"[Tim McCarver and Joe Buck] are the Gabe Gross and Ben Broussard of the broadcasting booth." - dirkatron
by lonestarJon on Oct 30, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If our pitchers are throwing
DP, I certainly hope that means double play, because that other meaning of DP… I don’t want our kids getting tied up with that.
Ew.
by Keynes on Oct 30, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than them
catching DP.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont know much about Maddux
But at least when they got C.C. for the stretch run he didnt try to change his arm slot so he’s got that going for him
by BEW on Oct 30, 2008 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Slightly OT
but I was watching David Price last night. He’s really good… I can just say this: I’m glad we’re not in the AL East. That guy would beat us 5 times a year for the next 6 years if we were in that division.
by JBImaknee on Oct 30, 2008 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He was making those Philly hitters look silly. Of course hindsight is 20/20 but you wonder why he wasn’t up there after the pitchers’ spot came up to bat.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
by TheBZA on Oct 30, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Joe Maddon is the worst human being in the history of the Earth.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 30, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Klaw again
Rangers Fans: Come on, the Rangers have won one playoff game in their history, how can we not be at the top of the list?
SportsNation Keith Law: (2:24 PM ET ) Because there are, like, five of you.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 30, 2008 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yay for us
high five!
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 30, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rest of America is going to be so disinterested with our team when (if) we start winning.
People who expect ESPN and FOX to give us spotlight treatment, especially with our farm system, are out of their minds.
The sooner we accept that, the better.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Oct 30, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate that sort of logic.
By ESPN thinking everyone but the Cubs along with the ECB and SoCal teams have about ten fans and about eight of ’em are illiterate and like to eat dog food.
I thought Klaw was better than that sort of laziness.
Guess I was wrong.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 30, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its completely rational
and completely irrational for folks to think the Rangers should have the same level of coverage as all the other teams. Personally, I don’t want to hear about the Pirates or Royals unless they start winning. I understand why other folks don’t want to hear about the Rangers.
Maybe someday in the not too distant future, the Rangers will do something to be relevant, like Tampa Bay did. If Tampa Bay sustains their winning streak they will start getting bigtime coverage.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're talking about different things.
I didn’t say we should get the same level of coverage as all the other teams. Winning teams always get more coverage, and rightfully so.
I’m just saying it’s ignorant to say that Rangers have no fans just because ESPN doesn’t give a shit about the team. They don’t give a shit about a lot of teams (like Seattle and KC and Pitt) and those teams all have fans.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 30, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN once did a list of the most cursed franchises.
I can’t remember where we sat, but it wasn’t that high. They said something along the lines of, “they would be higher on this list — maybe at the top — if their fans didn’t care more about a Cowboys pre-season loss than a Rangers October win.”
I lol’d because it was true.
by philkid3 on Oct 30, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of Keith Law stuff
Drew (Mpls): With Escobar in the pipeline for Milwaukee is JJ Hardy available? What would it take? Perkins and ? or Blackburn and ??
SportsNation Keith Law: (2:28 PM ET ) Perkins has next to no trade value right now. Blackburn doesn’t have that much either. I think Hardy’s available, but those pitchers aren’t the centerpieces of any deals (unless the ? is, say, Joe Mauer).
Erich (CT): Why won’t Texas get their heads out of their you know what’s and sign a damn starting pitcher for once? It’s got to be incredibly frusterating to see the team continue to NOT do what it takes to win.
SportsNation Keith Law: (2:29 PM ET ) Because they have a ton of young pitching in their system now. They’ve signed lots of starting pitchers – Millwood, Padilla, Park. How did those guys work out?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 30, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and more
Russell (McKinney, TX): Keith, If you were Jon Daniels who would you target to trade our catching surplus with? What kind of player could the Rangers get?
SportsNation Keith Law: (2:31 PM ET ) Just get the best player/package you can. Pitching is always great, but they do have a lot of it on the way.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 30, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steal Home need to teach
Keith Law about Baseball.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
and that pitching that is "on the way"
is a guarantee that the Rangers will be in the top 5 in pitching.
We still have to draft tons of good pitchers because no free agents will ever come here and JD won’t be able to trade for any good pitchers.
BUILD AROUND PITCHING
by Save us on Oct 30, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that what they are doing and have done the last 2 years?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 30, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 of the first 7 picks
were pitchers
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/draft.jsp?c_id=tex
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 30, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's still "building around pitching"
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 30, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, you don't understand
you need to take pitching in the first round, even if its Josh Karp over Mark Teixeira.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he's already declared Beavan a bust
So much for drafting pitching in the first round.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 30, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh,
well maybe next year’s first rounder won’t be a bust.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear
Seth says “jump” and you fuckers say “how high?”
by LiamP on Oct 30, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you are so right
Everyone takes Seth’s takes very seriously. We realize he is a dedicated scholar of the game.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no actually its not
getting pitchers who suck and using ur 1st round on a hitter is not buulding around pitching.
its like us signing 5 pitchers like jason jennings and signing pat burrell
by Save us on Oct 30, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have the ability
to determine which pitchers suck and which are great before the draft? Why aren’t you employed by a MLB team?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 30, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Jennings was a first round pick
so that is building around pitching gettng 5 of him.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's a first round pick
and you told us the only way to get good pitchers is with first round picks, not by taking lower round picks.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ill take the risk of a pitcher faling
versus having no chance of getting a good pitcher
by Save us on Oct 30, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it hurt to be so stupid?
I mean really, if it does, you must be in unbearable agony 24/7.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
by Rodney on Oct 30, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We still have to draft tons of good pitchers because no free agents will ever come here and JD won’t be able to trade for any good pitchers.
Like Feliz and Harrison, mirite?
by philkid3 on Oct 30, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Royals fan just asked me if Billy Butler would be enough to get one of our catchers.
I’m trying to figure out how to term my response.
by philkid3 on Oct 30, 2008 2:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The correct way to phrase it would be:
“Sure, as long as the the catcher in question is named Gerald Laird.”
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 30, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 in the top 25?
Looks like it…
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/10/30/649955/community-prospect-list-22
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 30, 2008 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe 4
Andrus is 3rd in the voting. Smoak gets 22, Hanson gets 23, and then you could see Andrus make his way onto the list.
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by Gdawg on Oct 30, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah
People are chirping about a Smoak/Hosmer double standard. I think the Royals fans just aren’t properly stuffing the box.
But the top tier of pitching prospects is well represented in the current ranks…it’s about time for Perez.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Oct 30, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak/Hosmer
I think it’s also safe to say that as of today, Smoak is the better prospect. More polished hitter, proven at a higher level, etc. Is Hosmer still a great prospect? Absolutely. Could he develop to become better than Smoak? Maybe. But as of today I have no problem voting for Smoak considerably earlier.
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by TheBZA on Oct 30, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Hosmer over the Smoak Monster.
Hosmer is so dreamy.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Oct 30, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak/Hosmer was close before the draft
but with Smoak actually proving something in professional ball, he easily gets the edge now IMO.
Also, Main should get some love too.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Oct 30, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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