Saturday morning things
I was working on this morning's blog post, and then I had some sort of browser issue and lost all my stuff.
I don't feel like re-doing the whole thing, so I'll just summarize:
T.R. Sullivan has an article up on what Jon Daniels will be looking for at the g.m. meetings next week.
No news yet on Mike Maddux. Expect this to get resolved in the next few days.
Per a story in a Cleveland paper, the Rangers rejected a Salty for Olsen deal (sensibly), but remain interested in Olsen and possibly Kevin Gregg.
I would make Joe Sheehan's proposed Blalock/Salty/Andrus/Poveda for Liriano deal, but doubt the Twins would, and his suggestion to move Brian Roberts -- an okay at best defensive 2B -- to shortstop so the Orioles can add Ray Durham or Mark Grudzelanik is ridiculous.
Milton Bradley is a Type B free agent.
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Can we do something about the lesbian cartoon at the top of the page? I mean, I like cartoons and I like lesbians but seeing every time I visit this site is annoying.
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by LSBUser on Nov 1, 2008 9:35 AM CDT reply actions
Thanks
But when I run NoScript it won’t allow me to use the reply feature in threads. What setting do I need to tweak?
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by LSBUser on Nov 1, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
allow lonestarball.com
For the most part, I allow most sites. Its the other links on sites that you generally shouldn’t allow, like anything that has ads in its name.
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-The Outlaw
Adam
A few weeks ago when we were discussing the whole 2nd place/3rd place thing I brought up the fact that if the A’s had been picking 1 spot above the Rangers they would have taken Smoak and you asked me if I was sure. Well Jim Callis seems sure….
Jim Callis: The A’s drafted Smoak out of high school, and he would have been a tremendous value at No. 12. Not sure the A’s would publicly say they would have taken Smoak over Weeks, but I’m thinking they would have. I do think they were determined to take a college up-the-middle athlete unless someone fell to them, and Weeks was the best available.
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by LSBUser on Nov 1, 2008 9:52 AM CDT reply actions
Okay
I still would rather win games than lose games.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
If we aren't getting into the playoffs
give me the draft pick position.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
+1
I still fail to understand the other position. I don’t think it will ever make sense.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
For me, it gets more pronounced the worse record you have. If you’re talking about 88 or 90 games but not making the playoffs, your marginal draft slot probably doesn’t matter much, and there is something to be said for your quality season. But once you get to and below .500, you’re not a good team anyway, and as you move toward the top of the draft – even in baseball – your draft slot matters more and more. And under the current rules, to argue that an extra win or two or three is worth risking your first round pick makes no sense to me. It’s not even close.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 1, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
When you finish second
don’t you get a small team bonus or something?
Like a special kids version of a playoff share?
I think I read that somewhere.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Nov 1, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I recall that, also.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah,
I’d amend my position to that. That’s a good point.
Because the marginal difference between the 10th and 11th pick is significantly more than the marginal difference between the 20th and 21st pick.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
True.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Jazayerli's study a couple of years ago concluded...
…that once you get past the first 4-5 picks, there’s little marginal difference. The value of the 10th pick isn’t significantly greater than the value of the 25th pick.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Link?
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
and conceding.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem with that logic is that it doesn’t take into account the opportunities to go over slot for top talents. They slide to random spots, so you can’t capture that. But if you’re picking a spot higher in 2006 you get Scherzer, two spots higher you get Lincecum. Just because Weaver and Drew and Porcello, etc. fell to lower spots doesn’t capture whether you want the opportunity to take advantage of an opportunity. This is a dynamic that Rany doesn’t account for appropriately.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 1, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
True enough
Ugh this is a sticky issue.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree
The draft has evolved so much over the years that really its something that has to be looked at in an almost year to year context. Why some things carry over and I’m generally a fan of Rany’s work I think a series on the draft dating all the way back to 1990 doesn’t carry much merit.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
One Exception
The difference between #15 and #16 is huge if you plan on being active in free agency. If winning a few more games means losing a first round pick in free agency, I’ll take the losses. Otherwise, I agree.
So to you...
…if the Rangers aren’t going to make the playoffs, you don’t care if they win 95 games or 55 games?
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt the swing will be that much
at the time they are eliminated. But if you are asking if I care whether they win 95 games or 90 games, the answer is no, I really don’t.
"Oh well, McCain is pretty communist anyway,... we can be 70% communist with McCain,"-Sharky
+1
I’m not sure what difference it makes to say: “Hey, we were the best of the losers, though!”
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 2, 2008 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
Has this ever happened in the wild card era? I went back to 2001 and there was a couple of 93 win teams that didn’t make it but those weren’t all that common.
I understand the point your trying to make but its not a realistic scenario at all. No team with the talent to win 95 is going to win 55.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
Bleh
Olsen’s not very good. Gregg’s “proven closer” label will result in an overvaluation by Florida.
by Joey Matschulat on Nov 1, 2008 10:17 AM CDT reply actions
I think you have the wrong Marlin Olsen
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by LSBUser on Nov 1, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Or I am the one who is wrong
My bad.
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by LSBUser on Nov 1, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Olsen article
Huh
Based on that, it sounds like the Marlins tried to get Salty for Olsen straight up… which kinda makes me think either Marlins greatly overestimate Scott Olsen’s value, or Salty’s value has dropped even lower than we thought.
"[Tim McCarver and Joe Buck] are the Gabe Gross and Ben Broussard of the broadcasting booth." - dirkatron
It should be the former
I highly doubt you’ll see JD relinquish Salty at a low point. He’s just not going to do something stupid like that.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
No, I don't think he would either
If he where going to, he probably would have done this deal for Olsen.
But if Salty’s value really is that low, it would pretty much put the kabosh on the chances of Salty being dealt at all this offseason for the very reason you brought up, which leaves us with Max and Tea as our two big trade chips (and they’re the ones of course that it seems most people would rather hang onto).
"[Tim McCarver and Joe Buck] are the Gabe Gross and Ben Broussard of the broadcasting booth." - dirkatron
That's fine with me
Ramirez or Teagarden could garner a healthy return, imo. That seems to be the “best” philosophy anyway: trade for the biggest return, regardless of asset.
Besides, I would be absolutely shocked if Salty’s value doesn’t return next year. The only way I could see him not developing as a prospect is if they dick around with him again, at which point, I will question my fanhood of this team.
Give him every-day time, be it in AAA or MLB. Anything less is a waste of time and value.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
you keep you keep the catchers that you believe will be the best for the organization and take the best offers for the 1 or 2 others…
Is there any reason Salty wouldn't be the best for the organization?
I’m not writing him off.
I think if you trade Max and Laird, you’re fine. You’ve still got Tea and Salty to choose from, if not platoon with down the line.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
No more catching platoons, please.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 1, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
No
You’ve misunderstood my point.
Salty and Tea both play every day next year, period. Whichever one emerges claims the role for the future. The other one is relegated to backup or trade alternatives.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
You seem to be assuming...
…all three are equal, so you just deal the one who will bring you the best return.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that not what has been parroted about as the best solution?
I don’t think there’s a consensus on who the best will be long-term, so you might as well capitalize on who is considered the best now.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
x
If he where going to, he probably would have done this deal for Olsen.
Why?
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I think what he meant
is that if JD is looking to just dump Salty — with the thinking that his value will never appreciate — then he would have dealt for a marginal #4 / #5 in Olsen.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You are assuming...
…that that is the best deal he could possibly get for him right now.
I don’t see much reason to believe that’s the case.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I’m just musing. I still think Salty has enough value to be a big cog in a deal for someone like Greinke or Nolasco, I’m just thinking maybe not the biggest.
"[Tim McCarver and Joe Buck] are the Gabe Gross and Ben Broussard of the broadcasting booth." - dirkatron
Oh, totally
I absolutely think there would be better deals out there, which should also be rejected if they don’t reflect Salty’s potential.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Bummer about Braedly's free agent status
At least Blalock is a type B as well however, meaning should we choose to bring Milton back we could still drop Hank and grab that extra pick.
"[Tim McCarver and Joe Buck] are the Gabe Gross and Ben Broussard of the broadcasting booth." - dirkatron
That isn't going to happen
Blalock’s option has to be exercised in the next few days. We won’t know about Bradley until January, most likely.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmn
Well then hopefully Bradley’s slightly disappointing FA status shouldn’t prove any extra incentive to bring him back – personally, I don’t see much use for the both of them on the same team (unless you think Davis can stick at 3B, that is).
"[Tim McCarver and Joe Buck] are the Gabe Gross and Ben Broussard of the broadcasting booth." - dirkatron
OT: Is it standard procedure to cuff someone without probable cause?
As in, someone detains you for not using a turning signal because they think you’re drunk. Then you pass all the field sobriety tests, they write up stupid tickets for outdated inspection and what not, then you get released.
Adam, et al, is that not contestable? On the basis of procedure, I think they should be thrown out.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 10:48 AM CDT reply actions
That is fine
There is nothing wrong with that stop.
Are you sure?
She had absolutely 0 proof that I was drunk. She didn’t breathalyze me.
I failed to use a turn signal because I was unfamiliar with the neighborhood I was dropping people off at. Even though, I was moving really slowly and trying to be safe. The male cops who backed her up even said, laughing: “Well, it is 3:30 in the morning!”
Which leads me to believe that she was just trying to pounce on someone for something. This is like the Highland Park of San Antonio, for perspective. I just didn’t see the reason for me to be cuffed and placed in the back of a vehicle for 30 min. while 20 of my friends sort the situation out.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
nothing sounds wrong with it
i assume this was last night? which means the police are on higher alert for drunk drivers given that its Halloween. From what you described it sounds like they are a reasonable cause to stop and detain you.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Ok, thanks
Do you have any suggestions as to how I may proceed in the most cost-effective manner?
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
well...
how much are the tickets? i dont believe defensive driving will clear these types, but you could do deferred adjudication and just pay the fines.
If the tickets arent cheap, you could try and hire a traffic lawyer
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Cool, thanks a mill, rentz.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
It won't cost anything but time
to file a complaint with her department, but you won’t get any satisfaction beyond causing an annoyance for her.
If you’re really bothered by it, you could file a section 1983 case against her, but that’s going to be a substantial time, cost, end energy sink that’ll likely get you nowhere.
She had quite an attitude, I"ll say that
She seemed supremely confident that she was going to achieve whatever desired result she was looking for.
I patiently followed her instructions and complied 100%. She later insulted me by saying that “maybe you just don’t follow instructions very well.” To which, I wanted to reply: “Maybe you should explain yourself more articulately if you’re pulling people over at 4 in the morning.” I did the whole 9 steps, turn 3 steps, 9 steps.
On the finger tracking, she told me not to move my head, then she would put her finger 180 degrees from my eyes so where it was impossible not to move my head!
Then she’d be like "ah, don’t move your head! I told you not to. " I’m like look, lady …
I’m happy to file complaints, but as you suggested, they probably wouldn’t change much, so I’ll pass.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
It could've been worse.
But you should’ve known, “Nothing good happens after 2:00 a.m.”
I was at a couple parties last night, and it never ceases to amaze me how many people know the Thriller dance. Or how many drunk people think they know it and end up just standing and making involuntary movements till the song is over.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45-17 to Troy. 0-12 is only four games away.
Hahaha
Believe me, it could’ve been MUCH MUCH worse.
My professor played a 13 min. video clip of Thriller in class yesterday, and then followed it up with other Off The Wall masterpieces. Thriller rules — what was your costume?
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't have one
till the last second when I found one of those Pharaoh (hats?) I don’t know, put that on and some white slacks and shirt lots of bling and i was set. Tons of people dressed like the Joker, huh? That was annoying.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45-17 to Troy. 0-12 is only four games away.
Yeah those who aren't creative with their costumes
can be a beating.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
missing some info here
did they arrest you? or just detain and release you at the scene?
I don't hate everything. In fact, I think LSB is just groovy.
I was cuffed against the vehicle
detained inside the vehicle. Subsequently given a few field sobriety tests, which I passed with ease.
Citations: Driving in the wrong lane; failure to utilize a turn signal; inspired inspection sticker.
Released at the scene. 14 days to appear or decide.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Cuffing
They can cuff you and say it was for their safety. And seeing as how it was a female officer late at night with a potential drunk driver that is plenty of reason for them to justify cuffing you. It sucks but theres really nothing you can do about that.
As for your tickets the inspection will get dropped as long as you show that within ten days you got it taken care of. Keep the paperwork and maybe take a pic with your cell phone to show the judge. The other ones you’ll probably be better off just paying and taking deferred adjudication. See how much they are but most likely the cost of defensive driving is close to the tickets and the hassle is much more.
I was pulled over one night at around 130 after leaving my then girlfriends house and hadn’t been drinking. I didn’t come to a complete stop leaving her subdivision. Cop pulled me over and practically told me straight up he was out looking for drunks. Gave me a warning and let me go. I can imagine last night was a high priority for getting drunk drivers.
As for the tests they gave you. Those tests are designed for you to fail. The pen eye thing is an unpassable test. What they look for is a flutter in your eye which when they put the pen to the side is going to happen to 99.9% of people.
Basically you just happened to run into a bitch cop who was trying to find a way to end her shift. The time it takes to process a drunk driver means she probably would have spent the rest of her shift in the police station. It sucks man but at least she didn’t take you in on a bogus DD charge and cost you alot more money and headache.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Thanks a lot man
I appreciate the knowledge.
Yeah, I think I have a warrant from another county from an unpaid traffic ticket two years ago, which I accidentally neglected somehow.
That’s why I was shitting my pants last night, but perhaps the Regional Network that my name is on doesn’t extend this far. Either that, or this department doesn’t have the resources to access other databases.
Either way, it was a moral victory and good story. LOL.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder ...
if you were to appear in 14 days if they would of discovered the warrant by then. It may not be a bad idea to take care of that warrant before you go before them or you may wind up in the po po.
Steal Home R.I.P. 9/10/08
"Absolutely no proof that I was drunk"
While a DWI takes proof, I believe that PI is at the officer’s discretion. There was nothing wrong with detaining you for the reason that she did.
The definition of "intoxication" doesn't change for a PI.
Generally though, you don’t see field sobriety tests on PIs because most people just pay the ticket rather than fight about it.
The detention was perfectly legal. The cuffing was probably a bit overboard, but there is little that can be done about it.
I'm sorry
what does PI stand for?
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 2, 2008 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions
public intoxication
All a cop has to do is basically say they can smell alcohol on you and they can arrest you. They don’t really have to prove anything. All it is is about a $200 fine and alot of hassle. You will spend the night in jail for it but as far as crimes go its very minor
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
That's complete bullshit
but great to know.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 2, 2008 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
Got one about 5 years ago. Me and a buddy were standing outside a bar talking but I guess we were a little louder than normal. Cops happened to be just driving through the parking lot and stopped when they heard us. Never gave any kind of tests or anything. Spent 14 hours in jail, saw a judge, $275 dollar fine and thats it. Just a hassle.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
reasonable cause.
if i’m not mistaken, all he has to say is you were driving “erratically”…
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
What is my best course?
As I understand, inspection stickers typically get waived upon renewal.
The other two citations were for failure to drive in the proper lane (of a fucking parking lot) and failure to use a blinker when turning right.
Deferred adjudication, 6 mo. probation? Please help in any way.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Olsen
He hit AA at 21 years old.
80.1 IP
75 H
38 R
35 ER
7 HR
27 BB
94 K
Any team would bet on that, and his performance up til then was also strong (19-21 years old he posted K/9s over 9 and improving control year over year).
He’s on the block for two reasons:
1. His peripherals are declining.
2006 BB/9, K/9, HR/9: 3.74 8.27 7.97
2007 BB/9, K/9, HR/9: 4.33 6.78 11.51
2008 BB/9, K/9, HR/9: 3.08 5.04 8.70
2. He’s a headcase.
He’s young enough to be half-full/-empty, but they have medical knowledge. I wouldn’t pay more than Salty for Olsen, but he’s not going to come cheaper.
Go Strangers.
Wait... He allowed 8.7 HR/9??? Holy crap!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Nov 1, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice, heh
2006 H/9, HR/9: 7.97, 1.15
2007 H/9, HR/9: 11.51, 1.48
2008 H/9, HR/9: 8.70, 1.34
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 1, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
olsen
i have 0 interest in the guy, he numbers arent getting better and there are reports that he’s a clubhouse problem.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
John Donovan at SI -- Questions facing all 30 teams
He really makes an astute point on the Rangers:
Texas Rangers
What to do with Hank Blalock; let him go, or re-sign him and move him off third? And can somebody please find some pitching for this organization?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/john_donovan/10/31/donovan.questions/index.html
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
Heh
Very cogent and original, as if it was formulated by Save Us himself.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Awesome sig
"[Tim McCarver and Joe Buck] are the Gabe Gross and Ben Broussard of the broadcasting booth." - dirkatron
yup
i’d be all over that deal.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
LOL
Yah, you and the rest of the free world.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Nov 1, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, sure
But I can’t imagine Tampa’s going to give up a solid starting pitcher for a 4th outfielder.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
explain '4th of'
relative to the rest of the league.
"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."
He's significantly above average against RHP
but woefully below average against LHP.
Stick him in a platooned COF spot and he’s a valuable player.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Murphy isnt THAT bad against lefties
Its not like hes david dellucci .130 average .480 ops over the last 3 years against them bad. Or various other really truly MUST be platooned bad.
His mlb career vs lefty line is .279/.310/.415 (.725)
the preceding post was a great success.
Which I'm fairly confident
is significantly below the league average line against LHP for COF’s. As a matter of fact, I would guess that more OF’s mash against LHP than against RHP, which makes out Murphy’s value to be the hard side of the platoon.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
LH v LH
How does Murphys line compare to other lefty hitters against lefty pitchers?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Too lazy and out of it to look that up right now
but I would guess that his line is about average for LH’ers against LHP. Plus, he’s better than average against RHP and plays better than average defense.
He’s just a decent guy to have around if he is cheap.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats what I figured
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
He had a .274 EQA last year
That’s pretty bleah for a LF’er.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 1, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
What was his + / - in LF?
I recall he was above average in RF, but possibly below average in LF.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Im not claiming hes awesome
But if the rangers have him on the block I think you underestimate his perceived value to other teams.
the preceding post was a great success.
Murphy as 4th OF
I agree that is all he probably is. But I think that there are enough people who see him as a legit future Rusty Greer type – even outside of Texas – for us to get better value for him than you probably would expect. Gritty white guys who play hard are overvalued. I think that was in Moneyball somewhere.
I actually like Murphy.
But when people compare him to Rusty Greer — maybe my favorite player ever and one who I’ve realized was actually even better than I thought as I’ve gotten to understand baseball better — I cry.
+1
Greer was legit.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 1, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
would you trade Edwin Jackson for David Murphy straight up?
"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."
Maybe.
But only if we moved Edwina to the ’pen, cause he hurts you too much as a starter. They both kind of suck, but I think Edwin would be a real negative as a starter here. 5.5+ ERA here, easy. Maybe higher.
And since there’s no way we’d be smart enough to turn Edwin into a gasoline throwing late inning guy, I’m gonna go ahead and change my position mid-post to “Maybe for Nate Gold”. I might claim Edwin off waivers, but he sucks pretty bad and there’s not a lot of hope left he’s gonna finally figure it out, imo.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 1, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
he recently turned 25
2 months younger than Brandon McCarthy. Would you also say that there is not a lot of hope for him?
I’d probably trade either of Byrd or Murphy for either of Sonnanstine or Jackson.
I don't hate everything. In fact, I think LSB is just groovy.
I’d trade Murphy and Byrd for Sonnanstine.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 1, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
what about Edwin Jackson
would you trade one of our OF for a live arm that hasn’t figured it out yet?
I don't hate everything. In fact, I think LSB is just groovy.
I'm not Z
But I sure wouldn’t.
"[Tim McCarver and Joe Buck] are the Gabe Gross and Ben Broussard of the broadcasting booth." - dirkatron
I guess Tampa's scraps are better than ours.
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by oc on Nov 1, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
haha!
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
well, yeah
not to state the obvious, but they are a World Series team and we are a sub .500 team, so yeah, their scraps (especially in the rotation) are quite a bit better than ours.
I don't hate everything. In fact, I think LSB is just groovy.
Edwin and McCarthy are totally different animals.
They’re both kind of crumby, but for different reasons.
And Sonnastine is way better than Jackson. Not really a fair comp there.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 1, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Meh
Not to say Jackson’s the cats meow or anything but I see Sonny as the kind of guy that gets destroyed in the ballpark. Hes got fringy stuff, throws an 87 MPH fastaball(and not very often at that), & doesn’t strike guys out.
I would take Jackson for a few simple reasons. I still like his upside and think he could turn into a #3 pitcher. If starting doesn’t work out I would love to see someone give him a shot at closing. He’s really just a two pitch pitcher and if anyone saw his outing in the playoffs were he was pumping in 99mph heat and filthy sliders it was impressive.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
You can stuff your mehs in a sack, mister!
Sonnanstine is a LAIE+ in my book. His fringey stuff plays up a notch or two cause of his gangly-guy mechanics which make it seem like the ball is exploding on people. He doesn’t strike out a ton of guys but he has 5 pitches that he can throw for strikes in any count and he walks absolutely no one. And you do realize he struck out batters at a higher rate than Edwin Jackson this year, right? Which is to say that Sonnanstine is exactly the kind of young pitcher we should be looking for. There’s a reason he was starting games in the post season and Edwin wasn’t. Sonnanstine was almost a full run-and-a-half better than Edwin in terms of tRA, 4.05 to 5.53. (Sonny’s tRA was better than Shields, Garza and Kazmir, too.)
In closing: I heart Andy Sonnanstine and would trade quite a bit more than Murphy to get him.
As for Edwin… I don’t see him ever being a number a number three. He strikes me as an all or nothing kind of guy. With his pure stuff he’s either going to figure out his control problems and become a true number one-type, or he’s never going to figure out his control problems and gonna be a horrible pitcher who hurts his team in the long run every single season. However, I don’t like to bet on guys figuring out their control problems. It usually just plain old doesn’t happen. By his age pitchers usually either have an idea of where the ball is going after they release it, or they don’t.
As for Edwin to the bullpen, like I said above, that’s a fantastic idea. He’s got crazy heat when he’s allowed to just let it all hang out for an inning or two. I could definitely see him as Octavio Dotel/Juan Cruz type who can be effectively wild and still get by on blowitbytheguyability. But I can’t see us making a move to acquire him and then move him to the pen. Can you see us doing that? I can’t.
Oh and if all that juicy info didn’t sway you, Sonny still has 5 years of wonderful team control left.
Jackson? Three.
Plus Sonny’s just plain better, but I’ve already covered that ;)
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do you heart him enough
to give up lemon in a deal for him?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
it must be true love then!
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
LOL
LAIE+? I don’t speak spanish. He is only 6’3 not exactly stretch armstrong where he releases the ball two feet from the plate. 5 pitches doesn’t help when they are all average to below average. I realize Sonny had a marginally better SO rate in EJ career worst year as far SO are concerned. I’m not arguing that today EJ is a better pitcher than Sonny. I’m saying in the long run I expect EJ to be a better pitcher. Sonny just seems like the type to get bitch slapped in tBiA. Worst case scenario EJ is a late inning reliever. Worst case scenario for Sonny is DFA in two years. Those stats tend to notoriously overrated players of Sonnys breed. Javier Vazquez comes to mind.
I would trade Murphy for either of them in a heart beat. I’d just prefer Jackson.
I’m no scout but I don’t ever see him being a #1 with only a fastball/slider. I’d say by 25 its pretty clear that his change isn’t going to develop. Not many #1 type pitchers get by with only two pitches with or without control.
I’m not saying he has to be immediately moved to the pen upon us acquiring him, I just think in the long run that is where he belong. I don’t think there is anything wrong with letting him try to string it all together in the rotation. I can’t say I have any faith that the Rangers know what they are doing with there pitchers.
I didn’t take team control into effect when I was comparing them but I think Sonny is nothing more than a league average pitcher who might not even make it through all 5 of those years. I like upside potential and he just doesn’t do anything for me. I’m going to have to see more than one year of average pitching to be sold on him.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
Well, you're horribly wrong for all the reasons listed above.
I just typed up a really long reply here with a bunch of stats and stuff, but it wasn’t very constructive. I’ve pretty much said all I have to say on this subject I think. Don’t know what else I can say. If you believe E-Jax is ever gonna figure it out and that Sonny is a big old flukey fluke, nothing I say is gonna change your mind at this point.
Let’s just say we disagree on the subject and make a deal that I’ll pick up Sonnanstine in next year’s draft and you can snag Edwin Jackson.
That way i can go ahead and start getting fitted for my “back-to-back” t-shirt now ;)
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Yea it’s the day after Halloween and I really didn’t feel like typing anything coherent as you can tell by my previous post. I believe that Sonny is a fluke more than I believe EJ is gonna figure it out. I just like the alternatives that are presented if EJ doesn’t figure it out better than I like Sonnys.
I had Sonnanstine this year, a lot of good that did me. My keepers don’t look so great so you might be able to start the printing press.
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Who are your five right now?
Mine first four are easy: ARod, Miguel Cabrera, Papelbon and Joe Nathan.
After that, though, it’s messy. I’m leaning toward Franchise Face just because of the dearth of SS talent in an AL-only league and my belief he’ll return to his .300 hitting ways next year sans all the hand problems.
But Danks, Delmon and Johnny Damon are all strong picks too.
If you wanna talk trade I’m open to anything that gives me a better set of five keepers.
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I'm having trouble with my 5, mainly because they kind of suck.
I’m going with Tex (small gamble), Cano, Bossman Jr, Tacoby and Ervin right now. The fact that Bedard and Carmona were so terrible last year (and aren’t exactly sure things to rebound next year) killed me in more ways than one this year.
Hopefully I’ll draft well next year and rebound a bit.
Tex
You could always take him off if he signs in the NL. It would be a huge coup for you if he goes to the Yankees.
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Well, I figure his most likely destinations are all in the AL (Baltimore, NYY, LAA)
I don’t know when the date is that keepers are set in stone, but I thought it was relatively soon? If it’s not for a while I’m slightly more comfortable with my picks (especially since Cano might be traded this Winter).
February 18
So you got a while.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
It's not for a while.
Here, I looked it up:
Keeper Lock Date: Wednesday, Feb. 18, 2009 at 5:00 PM EST
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Who's the guy who has Bay, Markakis, Rios, Longoria, Kinsler and Carlos Quentin?
That guy’s hating the 5 keepers only rule right now.
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I think its something that should be considered before the next draft. Having only 5 keepers makes it really hard to keep young players. I think 7-9 might be better. You will still have a good amount of roster turnover while still being able to keep some of the younger guys that might not be ready to contribute.
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keepers
my problem is ive got 6 guys i consider keepers, so 2 of them will have to have a knife fight for the last spot
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
that be me
gonna try to trade 2 of them studs for 1 superstud
Call 1-800-DOCTORB. The B is for bargain!
I have super studs.
If you wanna throw something at me, go on ahead with your bad self.
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Price, Youk, & The M&M boys.
I’m undecided about the 5th. I’ve got Dice-K, Burnett, Jeter, Jenks, & Hunter. Burnett could be ruled out depending on where he goes. I like Jeter & Hunter b/c of position scarcity. Saves seemed to be a tough commodity to acquire during the season so Jenks has his allure. I really just hate Dice-K.
I can totally agree with you on Young. SS in the AL are atrocious. I see some regression in Danks and Damon. I like Young if he has CF eligibility.
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I've got
Liriano/Joba/Halladay/Hamilton/Granderson. Kendrick is the WC for me, don’t know if I should find a way to keep him or let him walk.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45-17 to Troy. 0-12 is only four games away.
Yep
OMG!
Party Party Party Party! UNT wins 51-40. Party Party Party!
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45-17 to Troy. 0-12 is only four games away.
by sprite on Nov 1, 2008 7:24 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
I’ll update it.
What’s funny is all my keepers save Hamilton I got in a trade. Granderson/Halladay/Joba for Arod/Nathan and Liriano and Kendrick, for basically Verlander. Reason to be optimistic next year.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45-17 to Troy. 0-12 is only four games away.
I'm guessing this means WSU is officially going to be last.
:(
I should point out a few things.
1) That is week eight, so it doesn’t include Idaho winning.
2) Idaho is where my younger brother goes. They’re 2nd to last.
3) I went to WSU. They’re 3rd to last.
4) My older brother went to UNT. They’re last.
Oh, and you have all my old players!
I forgot we pulled off two huge trades this year.
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Your keepers look fine
Mauer, Morneau, Youk, Dice and Price I’m assuming
Or, if it's a Rangers pitcher
Lame Ass Innings Evisceration.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
From Mssr. Newberg's Report today
Based on what baseball sources are telling reporters and what reporters are telling us, San Francisco and Seattle have shown some interest in Hank Blalock, but the Giants probably wouldn’t entertain moving Matt Cain or Jonathan Sanchez to Texas unless Chris Davis were involved; the Rangers have asked Florida about lefthander Scott Olsen but don’t appear to be willing to give Jarrod Saltalamacchia up for him, at least not straight up; Texas might also have interest in Marlins reliever Kevin Gregg but that could depend on who the Rangers’ pitching coach hire is; Tampa Bay would probably want David Murphy if the Rangers were interested in Edwin Jackson or Andy Sonnanstine; and Cincinnati needs a catcher and might be willing to discuss Homer Bailey
I’d tell the Giants there aren’t enough Sanchez’s and Cain’s in the world for you to talk about Chris Davis.
And if Murph is all it takes to get Sonnastine or Jackson, I don’t see how there’s any holdup at all. He’s nice, and all, but the difference between him and Brandon Boggs just ain’t enough for to turn away an under control pitcher with some projection left. Plus, where does Murphy fit in with the OF situation going forward? He’s somewhere in the middle of a 2-spot mix with Nellie, Byrd, Boggs, Borbon, & Mayberry. Is he appreciably better than any of those options?
Should note
that Murphy is probably appreciably better than JMJ. Still. JMJ + Sonnastine or Murphy is an easy call.
I think if SF would throw in a lower level prospect with Cain or a reliever you give them Davis with Smoak coming. Then if like you said Murphy is all it takes to get Sonnanstine you do it. Then deal a catcher for a pitcher such as Bailey or dare to dream C. Buchholz.
Adding Cain and Sonnanstine to the rotation then whatever pitcher you get from one of the catchers will look like a real MLB pitching staff . IMO
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
Sonnastine For Murph
straight up is. But Jamey’s write-up makes it sound like Murph would be the biggest part of our system moving out in any trade we’d have. We have lotsa prospect trinkets we could toss in there that might make it discussable.
I was just going on what
Jamey said that is all. Yes you would probably have to add more to make it happen but I would atleast explore the idea.
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
Yah, sorry. Didn't mean to pin the idea on your chest or anything, just seemed like the place for me to speak on the subject.
You’re definitely gonna have to give up something painful to get your hands on Sonnanstine.
Maybe Max would entice them?
Max and Murphy might do something for them.
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Too much
He’s a good pitcher and all, but not a #1 or #2, which means not worth giving up significant assets. The back of our rotation should finally be solidified in the next season or two, with the horses up front getting their feet wet.
Cain, Nolasco, et al or let’s chill.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 2, 2008 7:19 AM CST up reply actions
really?
is Sonnanstine THAT good?
"He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it," Huizenga said. "I'd rather give it to charity than to him."
His tRA regressed is pretty meh.
He’s a No. 3 starter that would look like an ace on this staff.
And his home-run tendencies would probably worsen here at the Ballpark.
He doesn’t really address this team’s need for a top-of-the-rotation starter. He’s all right, but trading for him wouldn’t do much for me.
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by oc on Nov 1, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yah.
That’s about what I’ve been saying. He’s a really good number 3 type, imo. Plus he’s young and under team control for a long time. He’s never gonna be a true “ace”, but so what? He’s still mighty, mighty useful. A rotation full of 5 Sonnanstine’s this year and we’re in the playoffs.
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Can you win a playoff series starting three No. 3s?
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by oc on Nov 1, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
With our offense?
I think you most definitely could win a playoff series rocking an army of Sonnanstines.
It would certainly help if you improved the defense a little first, though.
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Its not like we are talking Greinke/Cain packages here either
If the deal is centered around David Murphy, how is that a deal that you don’t make? I’m a Murphy fan and would like to keep him, but we need a solid pitcher much more than another good OF bat.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
meh
What on earth do you think sonanstine is going to get? some all star proven OF?
We may not see many pitchers on the rangers put up good years like that, but plenty do and fall off immediately never to be heard from again.
I think it would take more than murph, probably a decent prospect in there, plus circumstances leading to it (fail on other OF possibilities and such), but its certainly not one of the crazy absolutely can not happen in any form ideas.
the preceding post was a great success.
I’d tell the Giants there aren’t enough Sanchez’s and Cain’s in the world for you to talk about Chris Davis.
People here are way too in love with Chris Davis.
If the guy can bring back a young, top-of-the-rotation starter, you consider it.
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by oc on Nov 1, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
But are Cain and Sanchez top of the rotation starters?
I’ve always been a bit underwhelmed by Cain, on paper and on TV. But the scouts all seem to be in agreement about how sexy the kid is long term, so maybe he could develop into one.
And Sanchez? The guy’s decent, but I can’t see him topping a World Series rotation, can you?
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That comment wasn't so much about trading for Cain or Sanchez as it was to clarify that Davis isn't this untouchable prospect.
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by oc on Nov 1, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
The conundrum
on trading CD is that I wouldn’t trade him for anyone that isn’t untouchable.
It’s one thing to chuckle about someone proposing CD for Sanchez/Cain. Whole ’nother story if it was David Price.
Obviously that ain’t happenin’.
Chris Davis is a power-hitter who is sub-par defensively and might be squeezed out of a position with this ballclub in the next couple of years.
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by oc on Nov 1, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I think he has the tools to be a plus first baseman. Quick feet for a big guy and obviously a cannon arm.
He’s been switched back and forth so much he’s never had a real chance to work at any one position. Even now he’s in limbo. If you just stuck him at first and told him to get comfortable I think he’d get real good real quick.
He’s a potential 40 homer guy in a post-‘roids era where those are really hard to come by. He’s a special bat. Think Juan Gonzalez without all the baby’s momma drama.
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This is terrific news except something will eventually have to be done regarding Justin Smoak, who is about a year off, and Michael Young who eventually will move for Elvis Andrus.
That move is also about a year off.
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by oc on Nov 1, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
DH
Whats wrong with that?
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
A 24 year-old DH?
We already have one of those in the making.
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by oc on Nov 1, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Max sure has proven a lot in those 46 AB.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
I've often wondered if Davis could fill a corner outfield position with those same tools.
I’m not sure I’ve seen it talked about, but it’s an easier fit than third base in most cases.
Yep.
And I’d hold onto that over just about any pitcher any team would reasonably trade for him right now. Any of the names that have been bandied around as tradeable assets this winter (take the ones Newberg mentioned today and add the BoSox boys to it) seem like a bad return on value for him.
Ranger fans: always worried about their line-up.
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by oc on Nov 1, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Jamey Newberg and I are currently heading up the Arlington chapter of the 'Greinke In '08' campaign.
Would you like a button?
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by oc on Nov 1, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
That reminds me
of when I went to vote on Tuesday, and volunteers were out en masse around the polling place. First one gets to me, holding his brochures, and before he can say anything I hold my hand up and say ‘I will not be accosted!’.
None of the other volunteers tried anything funny.
by Keynes on Nov 1, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's pretty smooth.
Thanks for the tip.
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by oc on Nov 1, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 MM
Can’t wait to whip that one out.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 1, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be tempted, but I really, really like Davis.
I think the kid’s gonna be an absolute star and we’ve got him under team control for six more years.
As much as I heart the Grink, I think I’d have to pass on that.
I might feel different tomorrow… but ‘no the now’ is my answer.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 1, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Davis for Cain / Nolasco
or Davis for nothing but Rangers’ success.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 2, 2008 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I think we can agree Ka'aihue, Shealy, Gload and Jacobs have nothing on Chris Davis.
There’s talk about hitting Jacobs as DH anyway. It seems Butler has fallen out of favor with Moore.
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by oc on Nov 1, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Considering that the fielding bible had Jacobs at -27 as a first baseman this year
I’d be DH’ing the crap outta him, too.
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I'll take Butler off their hands
He’s got legit talent
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
Nice thought
I’d trade any one of our catchers straight up for him. Surely they aren’t happy with Buck.
Eeep!
Really? I think Max has just as much offensive talent as Butler, if not maybe more, plus the chance to maybe not be so putrid at fielding the baseball that you’re forced to DH him.
Max and Tea, no.
Salty… Maybe. I’d have to examine Butler more carefully.
Laird, hell to the yes. I’d do a funny cowboy dance on Zywica’s grave to make that trade happen.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 1, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Butler
had a .336/.416/.561 line in the minors and has a .282/.334/.420 line so far in the majors and he’s 22.
Max has a .314/.414/.531 line in the minors and an INC in the majors so far and he’s 24.
It may not be a huge upgrade, but put Butler at DH and trade Max for sum pitchin’ and you do pretty well for yourself.
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 1, 2008 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He's talking about trading Max for Butler though.
DH for DH it’s kind of a wash and I guess I’d rather just keep my guy in those types of situations.
But I still believe the Maxatron has a future behind the dish so I’d hate a Max for Butler deal.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 2, 2008 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Well he said
trade “a catcher” for him, not Max specifically.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 2, 2008 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
"I’d trade any one of our catchers straight up for him" was the exact quote.
Since Max is a catcher, he’s saying he’d trade Max for Butler straight up, right?
I wouldn’t is what I’m saying.
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OK Point Conceded
I don’t know if I’d make that deal straight up either, but I don’t think it would be all that bad.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
Ya
I’d do Max for Butler straight up. Let Butler DH. I’d also do Salty for Butler straight up, I would probably do Teagarden for Butler as well. Laird, obviously.
by groundingout on Nov 2, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, really?
You’d do Tea or Max or Salty straight up for Butler?
Hmmm…
I love me some Butler, but I don’t know.
That’d be tough for me.
I love both of those guys.
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Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 2, 2008 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
In a vacuum
I didn’t put the miscroscope on him while he regressed a bit this year, but I think it’s a bit easy to forget just how just how good of a hitter he could still be. He will be just 22 on opening day next season. He obviously has issues with RHP right now, but I think you’ve got to bet on him at least as much as one of our catchers, if that sort of trade scenario arose.
The biggest problem I’d have with actually doing something like that in the real world is that I have Davis earmarked for DH once Smoak is ready (or visa versa), so you’d run into another position crunch, and not the good kind.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 3, 2008 1:14 AM CST up reply actions
If the worst thing that happens to this club in '11 is we have to move Davis to a COF to do his best Jermaine Dye imitation while Smoak and Butler mash up a storm at 1b and Dh, respectively
then that’s a pretty damn good problem to have.
I never have a problem fitting in a .900+ OPS bat into my lineup.
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Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
So
Davis will come in and won’t be able to get it?
I should
wait to see if someone gets it, but watch the Dellucci double clip…“Jermaine Dye comin in…CANT GET IT, AND THE RANGERS ARE GONNA WIN IT, AND THE RANGERS HAVE….WON IT!!!!”
Um.
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by inactive lsb user on Nov 3, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
How realistic
do you think it is that Butler may be available?
I find it hard to believe that they’d give up a good young hitter like that when what they need is offense.
Of course they also could use a catcher, and if Max could kill 2 birds with 1 stone for them, I guess it makes sense.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
I would just assume that Butler is not very available, but Moore didn’t draft him, and one way or another he sounds like he’s going to shake a few things up this winter.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 3, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
OT: I was bored today and started reading some LSB archives from before I was here.
Mostly the GMJ catch, the Hamilton, Teixeira and Gagne trades and some prospects lists. A few highlights:
1) I didn’t realize how terrible Sharky use to be. Wow, that’s pretty bad.
2) People (and I would have been one of them), wondering who this Neftali Feliz guy was and being upset it wasn’t Tommy Hanson.
3) Being upset about the Gagne trade.
4) OC calling Josh Hamilton an ass clown. LMAO
Tommy Hanson
Pretty nice ballplayer, still.
Not Neftali but yeah.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 1, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Sheets to Texas
Just read a piece in SI.com that projected where the top 50 free agents might end up. They say Ben Sheets’ best fit is to the Rangers. Don’t know that I would agree with that.
Foolish consistency is the hobgobblin of little minds - Emerson
There was a prediction thread on a baseball board I was at
And half the people were predicitng sheets to texas.
Probably took their favorite teams off the list when he got injured and figured we might risk it and pay him big money anyway since we are so desperate.
I wish the info I see about his injury was.. more specific.
the preceding post was a great success.
It just occured to me that I don't know how to pronounce "Neftali."
I’ve never heard it said out outloud. I say “neff-TALL-ee,” but it seems like it could be “NEF-tuh-lee.”
Help?
I thought
it was “neff-TALL-ee” myself, but I don’t know for sure I guess
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 1, 2008 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure you're right from what I heard in Jim Callis' little video thing from a little while back.
But I could be wrong.
I alwasy assumed Tex’s name was pronounced “tex-era” from reading about him in BA.
When I heard the announcers say his name on the Rangers’ broadcast the first time I was like, “Zuh?”
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Nov 2, 2008 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I was worse.
I tried to pronounce everything, so I said “tex-ee-ERA.”
Weirdly, I never followed prospects until recently (like, last 2 years recently), but one prospect I did know was Teixeira.
I also sort’ve knew Ruben Mateo, of all people, when he was a prospect.

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