Holiday to the A's
by pblack on Nov 10, 2008 1:29 PM CST
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Per Jon Heyman at CNNSI, the A's have traded for Matt Holliday. No word yet on the details but Heyman says it is done.
Here is the link: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/11/10/heyman.holliday/index.html
Heyman is now saying the A's are "closing in on a deal." So, I guess it's not done yet, but I have to admit, I don't really get it either unless they get a window to sign him.
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Holy Crap!!!
I really hope the A’s traded a lot.
by Coolbean04 on Nov 10, 2008 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He only has a year left on his deal.
So probably not.
I guess they think they’re going to contend next year? I mean, Boras is his agent so he’s not going to re-sign unless they offer him crazy money (and it’s the A’s so that’s not likely).
Interesting stuff.
by LiamP on Nov 10, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess.
Carlos Gonzales, Brett Anderson, and Barton/Carter.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Anderson
And package with him is borderline overpaying.
One-year rental.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 10, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would have to be better
than 2 first round picks, and a year’s worth of Holliday….
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You gotta factor in the money saved, too.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Street would make sense to be in the deal, along with a 1st baseman of the future for the Rox… so Street, Barton/Carter, Eveland.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Street, Carter and an Eveland-type pitcher (maybe not specifically Eveland) sounds about right.
That’d be an interesting deal.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Waaaay too much, imo.
Remember this an expensive player on a one year deal who has a 3-year road OPS of around .850.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really interesting move here...
No way they resign him, right? How big of a package?
I’m confused
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
by trident on Nov 10, 2008 1:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wtf?
This makes zero sense.
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by willamos2 on Nov 10, 2008 1:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
For them it makes sense
depending on how much they gave up because he will probably be a type A and net them two draft picks after next year and will fill a huge hole in their pathetic outfield. They have a deep farm so unless they gave up a ton it makes sense.
by brentash on Nov 10, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But
they almost always do the exact opposite with guys approaching free agency. The only way it makes sense is if the price was absurdly low.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well then
we won’t know if it makes sense until we actually know what they gave up.
by brentash on Nov 10, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not always...
They basically traded for Damon and Dye because of the draft picks…
by cjcheng on Nov 10, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Not much else to say until the particulars of the package come in.
I’m not a big Holliday fan, but he’s still pretty good.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 1:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
damn...
that makes the A’s a lot more intimidating this year. though if they lose him next year when the rangers are hopefully really ready anyway, I guess its not so much of a big deal.
regardless obviously I hope the price was high.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Nov 10, 2008 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
no way in hell
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by willamos2 on Nov 10, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Anderson
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 10, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
This could lock up that #1 farm system spot =p Assuming they gave up at least one top guy.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Nov 10, 2008 1:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
bright side
The Rangers should have the undisputed #1 system in the minors.
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by willamos2 on Nov 10, 2008 1:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If anyone wants to follow along with what the A's fans are thinking:
It’s always interesting to see what the knowledgable fans think.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 1:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lotsa scurrrred customers over there
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
by trident on Nov 10, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The vibe I'm getting from AN is that it's a bad deal regardless of who they gave if they don't re-sign him.
I just don’t see that happening. Boras is Holliday’s agent and I highly doubt he’ll let him re-sign (with Oakland in particular) without testing the FA market.
by LiamP on Nov 10, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Beane
Is he gambling that he can get more in return trading Holliday next July than he’s giving up now?
by shroomer on Nov 10, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
check that
I was thinking it was the “Holliday”-sounding Jays pitcher.
Now I’m really confused about what the A’s are doing here.
by shroomer on Nov 10, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy
You may be right, but that sounds like crazy talk. I don’t think playing in Oakland is going boost Holliday’s value for a deadline deal.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Nov 10, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He may feel
that with their pitching and the relative weakness of the AL West, they may be one big bat away from competing……. if not, trading him next July is always an option.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus there's the 2 picks for a type A
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
by trident on Nov 10, 2008 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how
he would be able to get equal value for 2 months as opposed to a full season if he figures he’ll be able to trade him in July.
That sounds like when the Rangers trade someone away and everyone says that they’ll just resign him in the offseason, but that never actually happens.
by texnykazrus on Nov 10, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he won't get equal value...
He is trying to compete. He will net -1 prospect for a chance to compete.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have NO idea what he's doing
I gotta think that he believes he’s selling high on somebody, maybe Carter or Huston or both.
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
by trident on Nov 10, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if Jon Daniels had done this deal
I would be extremely nervous right now (waiting to see who he parted with).
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by willamos2 on Nov 10, 2008 1:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would call for his head
if he acquired another outfielder, especially one this expensive and uncontrollable.
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
by trident on Nov 10, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seen lots of reports
Huston, Greg Smith, Carlos Gonzalez seem to be the most frequently listed
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
by trident on Nov 10, 2008 1:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gallagher's
name has been thrown around a good bit, too
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
by trident on Nov 10, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If those are the names...
That’s pretty workable.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 10, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
per rosenthal
Ken Rosenthal chimes in…WHAT?!?!
The A’s are close to acquiring left fielder Matt Holliday from the Rockies, according to major-league sources.
The players the Rockies will receive have not been decided, and the deal likely will not be finalized for approximately 48 hours, sources said.
Over the weekend, the teams discussed A’s outfielder Carlos Gonzalez, left-hander Greg Smith and reliever Huston Street, according to one source, but it is not known if any or all of those players will be included in the package for Holliday.
Holliday will earn $13.5 million in 2009, then become a free agent.
The A’s are not acquiring him with the intention of flipping him or even trading him in July. The team is in position to increase its payroll to as much as $80 million, and plans to contend next season.
To that end, the A’s also are targeting free-agent shortstop Rafael Furcal to be their leadoff man. Furcal is drawing interest from about 10 clubs, according to his agent, Paul Kinzer.
The acquisition of Holliday could help persuade him that the A’s are serious about competing.
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by willamos2 on Nov 10, 2008 2:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't make any sense
Something just doesn’t seem right to me about this…..
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Furcal and Holliday
and that team just might compete in the west…
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
by trident on Nov 10, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But what would they do with perennial MVP candidate Bobby Crosby!!???
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2008 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Chavez were a Ranger
everyone would suggest either moving him to LF or trading him for Buchholz or Nolasco.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 11, 2008 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez
Has played in 113 games the last two seasons.
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 11, 2008 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dangit, LSB 2.0 ate the second half of my comment
I was trying to say he might be a good candidate to be "Blalocked"and moved to first, considering Barton looks like a bust.
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 11, 2008 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just think if he hadn't dealt Harden
for a bunch of bleh.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will never for the life of me figure out that deal.
Could that really have been the best deal anyone was willing to put on the table?
I mean, Really!?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law really likes Donaldson, so that’s something I guess. I almost think that it was more about what Beane wanted than who he wanted. He got one of those cheap, potentially viable starter types like he got two of in the Haren deal, a 2B, which he seems to be collecting, a catcher that they like, and, well, a Murton.
I think it’s going to be a Hudson on his ledger though.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harden
I read it as an injury contingency move.
The player’s been healthy — he’s a great stretch-run pickup — but how long will that run?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 10, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if the a’s have a higher payroll than the rangers next year we should tar/feather tom hicks
whats it going to be? about?
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by knockoutking on Nov 10, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They're just pissed
about coming in 3rd!
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Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 10, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When will they move to Freemont?
I thought the earliest was 2012.
by cstorm15 on Nov 10, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If those are the names being throw around
doesn’t everyone think JD did better in the Tex deal?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 2:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
and not even really close. Andrus, Feliz, Harrison is a better package… Salty and Beau added is just sick
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
by trident on Nov 10, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Different players, different situations.
Teix had an extra half year on his contract left, he was a significantly better defensive player (albeit at a less valuable defensive position) and he didn’t have the label of “Coors engineered player” hanging around neck.
by LiamP on Nov 10, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rangers hitters have the same label
for hitting in Texas.
by Coolbean04 on Nov 10, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday's Home/Away OPS splits are pretty crazy.
Tex actually OPSed 983 on the road (as opposed to 791 at home) in 2006, and there was only a ~50 point spread between Home and Road in 04. Admittedly, he did have a Holliday’s like spread in 05 though.
by LiamP on Nov 10, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The extra time matters
but Holliday is a good defensive player and TX hitters definitely have a stigma
At this rate, he’ll be throwing 107-110 by 2012
by trident on Nov 10, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I think you have to give kudos to JD for knowing that trading Tex with 1.5 years left instead 1 probably upped the return.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday
he was not safe. The Padres got robbed.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
by sprite on Nov 10, 2008 2:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Trade
ESPN is reporting that Greg Smith and Bret Anderson were both under discussion. Well, duh! If I’m the Rockies I try to get the most pitching I can possibly get.
Strange move by Billy Beane, though. He doesn’t usually give up anything significant for one-year rentals.
by chrisR on Nov 10, 2008 2:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The package is now supposedly
Street, Gonzalez and Greg Smith.
by LiamP on Nov 10, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad at all
I think the Rockies are getting a nice group of players in return.
As for the A’s, they have plenty of in-house replacements for Street. And they badly need a right-handed power bat.
by chrisR on Nov 10, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
"They shouldn't throw at me. I'm the father of five or six kids."
-Tito Fuentes, after getting hit by a pitch.
by Haeger Champ on Nov 10, 2008 2:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Per MLBTR
Brown says the two teams have agreed in principle to a deal that will send Gonzalez, Smith, and Street to the Rockies
by chrisR on Nov 10, 2008 2:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Very, very glad to see Gonzalez out of the AL West
by Joey Matschulat on Nov 10, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take one year of having to face Holliday
over 4 (or was it 5?) years of Gonzalez.
by chrisR on Nov 10, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Odd
Since Holliday just mentioned that he wanted to be traded to a contender. Mostly I’m saying that people don’t normally look at the As and think “perennial contender.” I’m guessing there was no no-trade clause (hell, I’m not even sure if you can get when signing contracts to avoid arbitration).
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Nov 10, 2008 2:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So
does this move put them ahead of the Rangers as far as next year is concerned?
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
by sprite on Nov 10, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I still don't think so
It looks like they are giving up at least a few pretty good Major League parts in this deal.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 10, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so
I don’t have their full offensive lineup laid out in my head, though. But they won’t miss those three players much if at all and did add a badly needed good bat.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Close
Although the Rangers only finished 3.5 games ahead of the A’s, the Rangers were killed by injuries. On the other hand, considering A’s had only one player slug above .400, Holliday should provide a good boost to the offense while not giving up any critical part.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Nov 10, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't the A's have some injuries, too?
by Inkara1 on Nov 10, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But I’d say the Rangers had a lot more injuries especially to the pitchers.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Nov 10, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious how many runs they lost by not having Chavez for so long
Admittedly, I’m sure it wouldn’t be enough to take them from third to second place…
by Inkara1 on Nov 10, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably about as many as we lost with Hankles out for so long.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinsler
losing him at the end of the season (maybe could have had MVP numbers but for that), Uncle Milt being in and out all year, Young playing with a broken finger, basically every pitcher being out. Look at this list:
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/injuries.jsp?c_id=tex
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Nov 10, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oakland had a few big names go down too
Oakland’s list: http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/team/injuries.jsp?c_id=oak
I think they were really counting on Chavez, Sweeney and Thomas to keep the offense going.
by Inkara1 on Nov 10, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think those three
compare with Kinsler, Bradley and Blalock at all. Chavez hit .240/.306/.446 in 2007 and obviously was just awful while he was playing in 2008. Sweeney hit .286/.350/.383 while playing primarily in a corner. And I don’t know how we can say that they counted on Thomas when he started the year as a Blue Jay and was just picked up off the street during the season. And when he did play he was .263/.364/.387. Those three were barely replacement level for their positions, while the three Rangers were much, much better (and were all-stars in two cases) performers for theirs.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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