New T.R. Sullivan mailbag up
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2008 6:38 PM CST
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T.R. Sullivan has a new mailbag up...
Various and sundry things involving free agent pitching targets and the DH situation, along with this Q&A that jumped out at me:
What are the chances of getting Garrett Atkins from the Rockies? Do you think he would be a good fit?
-- Steve D., Red River, N.M.He would be a great fit for the Rangers. Derek Holland, Neftali Feliz and Elvis Andrus would be a great fit for the Rockies.
This confused me...if the Rockies' asking price for Atkins (a poor defensive third baseman with pedestrian offensive numbers who is a free agent after 2010) is Holland, Feliz, and Andrus, then someone in Colorado must be delusional.
If not, then I'm not sure what the Holland/Feliz/Andrus comment is in reference to.
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I got pretty tired of TR this year, to tell you the truth. Starting off with his open wish for Kevin Mench to make the team in spring training, he hasn’t really made much sense all year.
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
T.R. Sullivan...
The man also suggested before the season began that a good series to watch the Rangers win a few games would be against the Tampa Bay Rays.
It's filed under 'D'... for donut.
by NoNameOnCard on Nov 10, 2008 6:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Atkins
Surely he meant that it would take ONE of those guys individually to get Atkins and just worded his response poorly. At least I hope that is what happened.
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by DaheelzCM on Nov 10, 2008 6:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think even that...
…seriously overstates Atkins’ trade value.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
But at least it’s not totally insane.
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by DaheelzCM on Nov 10, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But not totally
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by DaheelzCM on Nov 10, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's total?
TR turning in the mailbag column written with his own poop?
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Nov 10, 2008 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or possibly....
TR thinks the grass is greener.
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by DaheelzCM on Nov 10, 2008 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't do Andrus for Atkins, but it's not totally batshit crazy.
I think the bigger question is what the hell Colorado would want with Andrus, other than maybe as a flipper.
Cause that Tulowitzki guy is pretty decent when he’s healthy.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We may need to
check with Jamey on whether he’s flippable.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 11, 2008 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's TR's way
Of ridiculing a trade question?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Nov 10, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess
is that he thinks Atkins is worth a ton for some reason.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I took it to mean something to effect of “sure he’d be a great fit, so would Babe Ruth, and we’re not getting him either” if that makes sense.
by jthig32 on Nov 10, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the correct response.
No doubt about it. It seemed pretty obvious to me.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Ed
TR may be just making the point that simply because someone would fit in with a team doesn’t mean they are likely to end up with that team. Not really all that controversial.
by Back Door Yakker on Nov 11, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
News on Joaquin Arias...
Can you believe it? They're bringing back the Five Dollar Footlong. That's right, the Legendary Depression-Era Porn Star is back!!!
by YourNameHere on Nov 10, 2008 6:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So... yay?
Since MY’s gold glove pretty much garuntees he won’t be moving for anyone but Andrus, Arias is kind of useless now.
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He may not even move for Andrus
After all, he is a Gold Freaking Glove “Shortstop”.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on Nov 11, 2008 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Adam-
If Holliday is worth Smith, Gonzalez, and Street, then Atkins must be worth Andrus, Holland, and Feliz. Hell, maybe more!
In all seriousness, I read it as him poking fun at the question by suggesting that acquiring Atkins would require one of those three guys. Clearly, he overvalues Atkins.
by Stephen Rushin on Nov 10, 2008 6:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think Street gets flipped to the Rangers,
but that’s one mans thought on it.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Nov 10, 2008 7:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd be all over that
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone would.
Murphy isn’t good.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 11, 2008 4:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they like Arias
as a second baseman.
by tyd3311 on Nov 11, 2008 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rangers payroll...
What are the chances that Hicks will increase the payroll by ’10?
If attendance and revenue goes down again in ’09 would Hicks be willing to spend in ’10 seeing all the talent in the minors that is coming up? How long are the Rangers going to stay in this $70 -$ 80 million range?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2008 7:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Slim to none
Think about what you just said. Revenue is down and he is about to get an influx of good young CHEAP players. That is his wet dream.
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by DaheelzCM on Nov 10, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not
But thats not necessarily a bad thing. As Tampa and Colorado the last two years showed if you have an abundance of young talented players you can contend. Theres a huge difference between being cheap on bad players and being cheap with good players. A smart businessman will always try and be cheap with good players.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should not care about the payroll
and care about the players. I don’t care what someone’s salary is if they will incrementally (or dramatically) improve the roster.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 10, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Absurd trade suggestion aside, would you be willing to trade for Atkins?
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
by sprite on Nov 10, 2008 7:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Olsen and Willingham to Nationals
for Im not sure
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 7:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OT Scott Olson and Josh Willingham got dealt
to the Nats for Emilio Bonifacio, RHP P.J. Dean, and SS Jake Smolinski
Bonifacio was the 2B that the Nats got from Ariz, Dean is a low A SP and Smolinski is a SS in Low A as well…
by laxtonto on Nov 10, 2008 7:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nats -
They’ve foudn the undervalued baseball commodity – headcases. Felonies are the new OBP.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Nov 10, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, MVP votes are the new OBP.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
For anyone who ever watched Married With Children
Washington is to problem children like Peg Bundy is to Al Bundy’s garage sale theory. They’re the last stop in the pyramid.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I don't remember that episode.
Help me out, Zebra Cakes.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He just gets all riled up
because she keeps going to garage sales and spending his money on junk. His theory is that garage sales are a pyramid where the people dump their junk on the next person and so on. And at the very end of that, the last people in the pyramid sell their junk to Peggy. It’s funnier the way he says it.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
KELLY You know, I can’t understand why we can’t sell of any of this junk.
AL Well, honey, see, lawn sales are based on the Bigger Idiot Theory. You know,
nothing’s so dumb that some bigger idiot won’t come along and buy, but the uh,
the flaw on that theory is that eventually you get to the Head Idiot, and uh,
you call her “Mom”.
by RangersOCD on Nov 10, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, nice.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, excellent.
Great show.
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 11, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My all time favorite show.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 11, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
that’s pretty much nothing. Smolinski and Dean are just sort of interesting random prospects, and Bonifacio kind of sucks. I guess my only surprise is that Willingham didn’t bring anything particularly interesting.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well willingham and olson
kind of suck too.
Bowden seems to like to trade for crappy OFers
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Willingham is actually a really interesting hitter.
Crumby fielder though, iirc.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that Willingham sucks
He hit .254/.364/.470, and those OBP and SLG are right at his career numbers. And at least according to Dewan’s plus/minus, he was actually good defensively this year.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
eh
That doesn’t excite me.
I agree with thedirk — I thought he was a crappy OFer. Converted catcher, no?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I can't vouch for Dewan's method
but it’s pretty well respected.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Curious that Dave Cameron calls Willingham an "absolutely atrocious" fielder
And Law was similarly hard on Holliday’s defense, even though both scored no less than +10 per plus/minus in ’08.
by Joey Matschulat on Nov 11, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just goes to show
the variance of opinion when it comes to defense.
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 11, 2008 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
if they’d given up anything, I’d find him sort of underwhelming too. But they didn’t. I have Dean on a sim roster, and even I am not going to claim that he’s got any value.. He’s a poor man’s Wilfredo Boscan. Maybe the Marlins see something in Smolinski.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose
Neither of those guys are just all that great in my eyes.
I know nothing about the prospects however….
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Either way
it’s probably good that we didn’t waste anything on Olsen. That’s the big thing to come out of this.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Willingham is a solid player.
A pretty darn good hitter with great patience and some halfway decent sock from the right side of the plate.
And, looking around at all the different D stats out there, he’s actually a pretty passable defender. (I’m always wary of D stats, but when they all seem to say roughly the same thing about a guy, I tend to trust the consensus, so to speak.)
Getting Willingham alone for a pu-pu platter of C+ prospects seems like a pretty great deal, imo.
Taking a risk on Olsen without giving up anything in return isn’t a terrible deal for a team as deep in the mucky-muck of rebuilding as the Nats are… as long as it doesn’t cost them anything.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+10
tied with Brandon Boggs (though in s few more games)
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonifacio
Speedy 1980’s leadoff hitter type that often gets overvalued in trades.
Same reason that I think Borbon will provide pretty good value to the Rangers, even if his OBP skills don’t develop. There always seems to be a market for that type.
I don't hate everything. In fact, I think LSB is just groovy.
by tricer on Nov 10, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least as long as
Jim Bowden has a job that market seems to circulate through him. We just need to get Borbon up to speed before someone finds those pictures Keith Law says he has of Nationals ownership and he loses his last job.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ed Wade
seems to go out of his way to grab that type player as well.
See Lidge for Bourn.
I don't hate everything. In fact, I think LSB is just groovy.
by tricer on Nov 10, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had an Astros fan tell me today that they’re shopping Bourn. Maybe they’ll deal him then turn around and pick up Borbon in about a year to fill the gaping hole of defensive CF who doesn’t get on base or hit for any power.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ian Stewart, now there's a Rockies 3b I wouldn't mind throwing down on.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2008 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that's what she said.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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