Monday night linkaliciousness
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2008 8:00 PM CST
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Jeff Wilson has some bloggy notes up at the S-T blog...Joaquin Arias's shoulder is stronger, Jamey Wright isn't a top priority to bring back, and Jarrod Saltalamacchia didn't upset anyone with his comments about the BoSox.
Want to feel good about the future? Read some comments from Joe Sheehan on the guys he saw in Arizona recently:
I saw Smoak just once, actually for Peoria, which picked him up in a trade. Yeah, trades in the AFL... who knew? Like Wieters, he just looked better than the league, and I flashed back to seeing Mark Teixeira in my first AFL trip in 2002. That seemed too easy—two switch-hitting first basemen in Rangers uniforms—but the comp was more about how they looked at the plate and in the field. No, I don't know where Jason Castro was.
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The Rangers' Julio Borbon worked deep counts and is very fast; if the patience is real he could be huge for them.
At AN, Blez loves the Matt Holliday trade.
Supposedly, the Rockies are looking at flipping Street.
Edinson Volquez was 4th in the N.L. ROY balloting this year. Why wasn't he higher? Because, well...he wasn't a rookie.
Last week, Evan Grant dissented from Rob Neyer's take that Michael Young didn't deserve the Gold Glove. Today, Rob Neyer responds to Grant.
A catcher is angry that he lost is starting job to Rod Barajas after getting injured, and calls out his g.m. And no, it isn't Gerald Laird (this time).
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Ricciardi (who is growing a reputation for something short of honesty) needs to get a phone call from JD, offering Laird. Deja vu all over again?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Nov 10, 2008 8:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's still early
but I wouldn’t be surprised if more people are interested in talking Rangers off-season then Mavs this year. I sure am.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
by AirJordan on Nov 10, 2008 8:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
At least they get to keep their first rounder this year
Next season will be the real thrill.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget...
…they have Jason Kidd’s expiring contract to deal. That’s sure to bring big returns.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have
To at least feel good about Gerald Green, no?
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So far
We will see how he handles a little success, but seems very coachable right now.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not worried about success
As much as defense, but he’s looking very coachable to me, as well. I think he’s starting to see the writing on the wall. If he doesn’t get his shit together soon, it’s Europe for him.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you feel about the idea
of trying to clear massive cap space? and keeping Kidd’s contract… because Miami has a contract very similar to Jason Kidd’s in Shawn Marion.. and the Heat seem like a team wanting to win right now, so I propose
Josh Howard and Jason Terry for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks. The thinking of a Marion/Howard swap would be similar to the Iverson/Billups swap.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's interesting.
I have absolutely no clue where Miami is as a franchise right now. They have two rookies starting along with 3 guys who have been around a long time. They have really talented young players like Cook and Livingston on their bench. They’re 4-3.
Maybe you’re right and they want to win right now. I’m not totally convinced that Josh Howard puts them over the top, though at this point he is much better than Marion, and Terry is…well, Terry.
Banks is a really solid backup PG, but that’s about it.
Looking over the numbers, that would put us somewhere around 36-40 mm for next season, but that’s with 6 guys on the roster: Dirk, Barea, Wright, Williams, Diop and Damp (and I think Stack might have some sort of option). So that leaves a little room for a big signing, I guess.
But the real question is what are you going to do with that space? I guess Boozer and a couple broken down All-Stars will be out there, but is that worth Howard? Dunno.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Save the cap space.
Throw the season, Sign Lebron with our number 1 lottery pick
by BuckyB on Nov 10, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign Lebron with our number 1 lottery pick
How does that work, and could they sign Dwight Howard if they pick up a second rounder?
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I say Banks because
I was trying to figure out a way to get rid of Terry’s contract, the alternative is Stack and Howard for Marion.
Im not really sure where we would go from there, but achieving flexibility is the main goal.. and I love the idea of signing Boozer.
by tyd3311 on Nov 11, 2008 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But he has to love it too.
Is getting rid of Howard to possibly sign Boozer the best move? I’d be more comfortable getting a sure thing.
by brettgardner on Nov 11, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I get tired head thinking about the mess were in..
But then I read stuff that says neither Howard’s nor Damp’s contract are guaranteed in 2010, and i feel a little better.
by tyd3311 on Nov 11, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
As far as I know, Damp’s is guaranteed and Howard has a ’10 team option. Likewise, Dirk has a player option at that point. Things could change very quickly.
by brettgardner on Nov 11, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mavericks center Erick Dampier has incentives to make his $13.1 million stick, but presently his money has no salary protection.
I have read this in a couple of places, but have yet to figure out the number’s he must reach to guarantee it.
by tyd3311 on Nov 11, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A ha
Found it, I think. From ESPN Insider:
Insider has learned the details of Dallas’ seven year, $73.3 million dollar contract with Erick Dampier. His first-year salary is $7.7 million. The last year of his contract, worth more than $13 million, is conditional on Dampier playing in three All-Star games in the first six years of his contract OR playing 2,100 minutes in a minimum of 70 games during the 2009-10 season.
Bizarre. I had no idea until you said that. Well, we can plan on lots of Diop next season I suppose.
by brettgardner on Nov 11, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
We get to cherry pick Portland’s roster or something. Now, I will say, they look like they’re going to be even worse than I thought, and they may be basically eliminated from the playoffs soon enough to dump Kidd, which I didn’t really expect.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree
But I admit I have little to support me right now.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I still think you have to give them time to hit their stride, but I have to admit I did not expect them to be this bad early on.
by jthig32 on Nov 10, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats what happens
when you got an incompetent coach
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 10, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shit
Carlisle can coach, but he isn’t a magician.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Longhorn was just
trying to get someone riled up with that comment, fwiw.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, should have made it clear
i was talking about the Portland coach… for some reason i thought they were talking about the Blazers…
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 10, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah well
I withdraw my comment then.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no no
i have to agree with BG, Carlisle was probably the best candidate for this job…
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 10, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that shoulda been a reply to Z
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 10, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Donnie finally hired the right coach
let’s see how creative he can be in shedding some of the horrible contracts we have.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
I don’t think that Jerry Stackhouse (any more) and Jason Terry have a stride to hit. And I don’t know if your five or six decent players are good enough to carry the whole thing.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is still basically the same team that got to the finals
i don’t get this drop at all…
I don’t buy that they’re talent has dropped that much over a few years…
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 10, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stackhouse has nothing
Terry had a career year with the finals team.. Damps knees are struggling.. Dirk doesn’t have the same drive.. The team that went to the finals had hopes and optimism, this team has excuses.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And fwiw...
…that team was a Ginobili reach-in away from being knocked out in 6 in the Conference Semis…
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on.
You know you could say that about almost any team.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Do you not remember game 6 in San Antonio?
The Mavs were done. Cooked. Cuban was making that face on the sidelines. Down on the road in an elimination game.
And then Ginobili makes a stupid reach-in foul when Dirk drives, and history is changed.
You can’t say that about every team.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I remember it very well. But there’s almost always some but-for cause to success or failure. The game isn’t decided by who has the best names. Fouls don’t sully the win or the subsequent accomplishments any more than points do.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that was a cop out by AJM
I could think of so many examples off the top of my head, that probably follow below this comment, that it’s not worth considering.
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 11, 2008 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That team
was also a BS Dwyade loving referee from winning the finals.
You can’t say that about every team.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Heat were also
one of the worst finals teams ever.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no they weren't
the ’71 Bucks were
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stay out of this
I didn’t say THE worst.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So they say.
I’ve never been a big believer in all the conspiracy talk, as some here may know.
If they get it done when it matters, I’m not sure how they’re worse than anybody else.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure some here
appreciate just how good a player Wade is.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think everyone does
How many finals teams don’t have any really good players?
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wade is amazing
Here’s proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aySGUzzxjGE&feature=related
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
proof that
Deathstar is what my name stands for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1AWTNxYHv0
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go dream up
some more ways to get Cole Hamels and Tim Lincecum on your team, and then keep them to yourself.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think
the keys to the World Series can be found in the rotator cuff of Ricky Nolasco, that’s all.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WI0VZcapto&feature=related
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only point is
Refs will always give the benefit of the doubt to the guy who drives.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
There is an art to drawing fouls, and Wade is a master at it. Dwayde, Karl Malone, etc., those guys are artists.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
falling over on a jumpshot is a true art
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lX_qMS9bRY
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't say it with
admiration. But there are only two explanations for guys who anyone with eyes can see aren’t being fouled get calls every single time, not matter what they’re doing. Either it’s a conspiracy, or they know how to deceive someone with the angle that a ref has into thinking that they’ve been fouled. And like you I don’t really believe that there is an actual conspiracy.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You've got that right
Dwyade is a phenomenal scam artist.
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 11, 2008 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
But I think my point remains. If you have to choose between a guy trying to score, who knows where he’s trying to go, and another guy who’s doing to do anything to stop that guy from scoring, and doesn’t know where he’s going, you’ll generally err on the side of the driver.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No question drivers get more calls. But it goes further than that.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It sure does go further than that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuukM40T974&feature=related
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
he is amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fydhtOSlfW0&feature=related
So amazing in fact that he gets fouled without even being touched.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing!
How does a guy control his body like that when no one even touches him or contends his shot?
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
However, I think it is even more rare to be able to get the foul call when no one even touches him or contends his shot.
He is obviously the greatest player the NBA has EVER SEEN.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
okay
that is making me very upset.
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 10, 2008 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't watch
this then
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y8nI1PPYOk&feature=related
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dirk was clearly
in the way of his forearm.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Who told Dirk he could just stand there minding his own business?
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Must have been that awful
coach
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never seen it this far to the right.
by BuckyB on Nov 10, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't clicked on any of those
but I’ll just assume that it’s a bunch of ammo.
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 11, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone here doubts
he’s a great player.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that
they did what they did despite being a bleh team (relative to their accomplishments) who made it to and won the finals because of a conspiracy. I think that they did what they did because their competition – including that particular Pistons team, given the shape they were in at the time – was very good. And they got to play a Dallas team that was emotionally spent (whether they should have been or not), not very mature, and that was built and coached to beat the Spurs, not to be an all around team that could handle any style of opponent.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
it sure helps when you have refs gifting one player that many free throws every night.
I don’t really believe it was a conspiracy, but it sure as hell was not normal.
Reading NBA preview articles this year, it was casually thrown around by different writers — as if it was common knowledge it was a screw job.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
it was as team completely engineered to beat the Spurs. It managed to beat the Suns, but I don’t know that that really proves anything. The Suns haven’t exactly been a dominant playoff team, and they didn’t even have Stoudamire.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
come on son
that’s uberreaching.
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 10, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it?
It certainly appeared the Mavs’ season was over. If Ginobili doesn’t make that reach-in foul, and the Mavs don’t even get to the conference finals, do they stand pat that offseason? Bring Terry back? Do nothing after getting knocked out in the first round the following year?
That Ginobili reach-in had some rather far-reaching consequences.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reach-ins
Are part of the game. I’m not sure what the point is.
If Jordan hadn’t nailed that shot against Utah, the Bulls wouldn’t have won either.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OR if they would have called the offensive foul
he committed………..
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wait wait wait
so…are you NOT happy that they made it to the Finals that year now?
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 10, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't reach-ins happen
all the time?
If you’re talking about Game 7 of that series, the Spurs could’ve still won in overtime.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to
Completely disagree with you regarding Dirk. He’s playing pretty damn well so far this year, and he’s looking quite disgusted with the effort around him.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Truthfully
I’ve only really seen one game, Cleveland i think, and Dirk just seemed like he had no passion that night.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was that
The 8 point night?
If so, that was possibly the worst game I’ve seen the Mavs play in a decade. Dirk was terrible that night, but he’s been great otherwise.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was an aberration
It was the worst effort I can remember him giving in a long time, and he has looked much better in every other game.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My theory back then
was that when you hire a coach like Avery Johnson (or Ken Hitchcock or Mike Singletary) there is a good chance that they will get supreme effort for a while, but there is an expiration date. And when that expiration date hits, changing coaches isn’t going to fix it. You’re just going to need to trade out your players, because they’re emotionally and physically exhausted. I don’t know if I was right, but that’s what they look like out there, a bunch of guys who don’t have the stomach to go into war any more. After the GS series people thought they might come back refreshed. Then after getting Kidd, maybe they come back refreshed. Then changing coaches… It’s just not there for these guys collectively, whether that’s a damning thing to say about their characters or not.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the best...
Mavs blog in town!
"They shouldn't throw at me. I'm the father of five or six kids."
-Tito Fuentes, after getting hit by a pitch.
by Haeger Champ on Nov 11, 2008 12:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For me
it obviously depends on the price. JD has stated that one of the goals this off season is upgrading the BP… I’m sure he’ll at least look at the price tag and take it from there.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
by AirJordan on Nov 10, 2008 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Street
Street had down year last year. Colorado gave up on of its better players (don’t know how the general Rox fan feels about Holliday) for a trio of lesser talents. Don’t you think the Rookies would be looking on capitalizing on a Street deal so that they could add a few more pieces to the longterm success of the team (thereby justifying the trade of Holliday)? I get the feeling that the asking price won’t be inline with last season’s performance.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Nov 10, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just wondering
If expanding the deal to include Atkins pushes the price unbearably high. That’d be two critical pieces, but, as you say, I suppose it depends upon the price. Obviously I think it’s a pipe dream at best.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Id rather have Stewart
And his defense.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want Atkins.
Very overrated hitter, downright horrible defender.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 11, 2008 4:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder, though,
Do you think he’s a better option than Blake or Metcalf?
by brettgardner on Nov 11, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Assuming Metcalf would live up to his rep as a plus defender if installed at 3b for an entire season, I’d rather go with him just cause he costs us nothing in terms of dollars or prospects.
Blake is a very similar player to Atkins, only I trust his bat more. Plus he’d cost only dollars and not dollars and prospects like Atkins.
I don’t think any of the three are particularly attractive options.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Rule 5? No…talk to the hand.
by thedirkatron on Nov 11, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bring up Matt West '09!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 11, 2008 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do I do!!!
do you?
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
let's see
Murphy
Padilla
Holland
Andrus
for
Atkins
Street
Jimenez
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
another one
MurphByrd
Harrison/Hurley
Andrus
Max/Salty
for
Nolasco
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and maybe
Kevin Gregg
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god you aren't the GM
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the
time to win is now my friend, we need to act.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
we can win the World Series next year easily if we get two good starters.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How are we gonna do that?
You have Murphy and Andrus in both your ridiculous trade proposals. You also include Holland and one of Hurley or Harrison. Plus Padilla. So by my count you are taking away two starting pitchers next year, a starting, or at worst platoon OFer, and our potential catcher, SS, and stud starter of the future.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
in one I give up Hurley/Harrison in the other Padilla. I just want to do one of those trades, not both, so that just takes one starter. Replace that one with two good starters.
Byrd and Murph are interchangable
and “our potential catcher, SS, and stud starter of the future.” would not be there next year anyway, so this is moot.
next season we win.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But you say we need to add two good starters
So you would have to do both of those trades right? Otherwise its only adding one good starter and you contradict yourself again.
As to the future. I would rather be competitive next year and not win and still have Holland, Andrus, and a catcher and be perennial WS contenders for 5 years rather than go for it next year and throw the future away and be forced to try and sign veterans, thus losing drfat picks, and end up like the Yankees this past year. A team that wins, misses the playoffs, has a high payroll and barely any farm system with a pretty aging club.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
listen
I just think we win the division with a
Millwood
Nolasco
Mccarthy
Buchholz
Harrison
rotation
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do we get Buchholz?
Who do we give up to get him. Mind you what you just said to get Nolasco.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Salty
and his minor league friends
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't we just talk about
you not making more ridiculous trade suggestions for a little while?
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this one
has actually been written of in real life.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Florida
First of all they wouldn’t want Byrd due to his salary and impending free agency. And they probably wouldn’t want Andrus due to Hanley being at SS.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
unless
Tex signs with the Nationals and Lackey and Guerrero both get injured, we’re not making the playoffs.
by chrisR on Nov 10, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if we get
two of
Buchholz
Bonderman
Nolasco
then we do.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Bonderman?
The guy who has been hurt the past 2 years and isn’t that good when he’s healthy? That guy?
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by DaheelzCM on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You should go to Ohio University
Then you could major in Sports Management like Miles and you guys could take over the sports world with your brilliant talent evaluation.
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by DaheelzCM on Nov 10, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam
loves him some Bonderman
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The miles/dstar war room. That would be some good stuff.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With Ben hanging around with the Rohypnol
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would probably need to be
like the Simpsons where Homer gets banished to a hidden island for his gossip column and keeps getting knocked out with gas. Ben would date rape drug them so he doesn’t have to listen to it for a little bit, they’d come to a little later, and it would only be a couple of minutes before he’d have to break out the Rohypnol again.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey
watch my video about my defensive stats formula!!
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our bullpen
Still sucks.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
by TheBZA on Nov 10, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nope
I’m assuming we get a Gregg or Street or the like.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With the rest of the
farm system that you didn’t already trade?
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I included
both of them in the two trades, only one of which I would do.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is why they
Willingham
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think
it’s a reasonable deal.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding me?
How on earth is that a good deal for Texas?
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be silly.
He doesn’t actually think.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're right Brett
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nolasco is
a stud…
you give up good players to get good players…
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about
Murphy
Padilla
Holland
Andrus
for
Atkins
Street
Jimenez
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my bad
ummm same reasons
it addresses the three needs of a team that can win the division. Murph is overrated, Padilla bleh, Holland might be great, Andrus bleah.
Atkins solves the 3rd base problem and would do better at RBIA IMO
I think the bullpen is more important than y’all do. Street is a beast and would still be a beast in Texas considering he’s from UT.
Jimenez is a good young pitcher that needs some control.
You might be able to convince me that I was a little liberal w/ the Holland inclusion, just sub him w/ someone not Feliz/Beaven/Main/Perez
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus is bleah!?
Wow.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
by AirJordan on Nov 10, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Miles has proclaimed him a bust, which conversely means he’s going to be a superstar.
Seriously though, Elvis is a lot more than bleah. He’s on my untouchables list.
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
he’s good at defense, that’s it. A glorified Joaquin Arias. perfect trade bait. Lemon/Vallejo could be better.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
How many 19 year olds hit 300 with a 350 OBP at AA while playing ML caliber defense?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it was actually
.295/.350
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My apologies
You didn’t answer the question however
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ZZZZIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNGGGGGG
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Check your stats buddy
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
he’s high fiving himself, meanwhile he doesn’t have a single part of that right. Once Arias did make AA at 20, his OBP was .335.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep I
saw .355 instead of .335. my bad. and I was high-fiving myself, I thought I finally said a witty thing, but I failed :(
meanwhile how ‘bout some Hanley Ramirez and Jose Reyes, they were WORSE than Elvis. BOOYAH I suck. Y’all win.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hah
Well at least you checked.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Arias was at high-A when he was 19
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That trade seems to come down to
Andrus and Holland for Jimenez. Jimenez is a pretty good pitcher (3.94 tRA, 117 tRA+, 3.84 FIP, and a 3.88 DIPS) who is only 24 and under team control for a while. But, I’m not so sure he is worth both Andrus and Holland. His high walk rate is a little worrisome and he would have to adjust to the AL.
Of course, I can’t imagine such a trade would ever be discussed. Colorado would not want to deal a pitcher like Jimenez, and I can’t ever imagine the Rangers dealing Andrus and Holland.
by Stephen Rushin on Nov 10, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and
Jimenez’s high WHIP seems like a concern, despite his strong tRA/FIP/etc. He also wasn’t that great last year. I like him a lot, but reall, I don’t think he is the kind of player you target if you are trading Holland and Andrus.
by Stephen Rushin on Nov 10, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know who is bleah?
Garrett Atkins.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't we just
ban this kid instead of save us?
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both?
Please?
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
by TheBZA on Nov 10, 2008 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a difference, though
dstar actually believes in what he wrote. Save Us is just a troll
by chrisR on Nov 10, 2008 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind
dstar replies to his own comments. He should be banned….
D’oh!
by chrisR on Nov 10, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so I can't
talk about the Rangers now, either?
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
at least I'm not a homer
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just teasing you
But you do need to stop suggesting trades, just as a general rule.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well
I really was trying to make a fair proposal, because previously I would always seem to give proposals which apparently favored the Rangers too much, so I gave a little weight to the other team assuming I was being biased.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
it turned out…just…awful.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well i will give it to you that you tried
Hey, it takes time to getthe hang of the value of prospects thing., so Im not upset. At least you listen to reason and are willing to look things up.
Just expect people to bash trade proposal, because fans as a whole over value and under value players just like GM. There is no magic formula, but working on comparative value is something to work towards.
Here is a good exercise, if given a prospect from all fielding positions, at same level, rank them as prospects in terms of value if everything else is equal….
by laxtonto on Nov 10, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
He’s not a good hitter, and he’s terrible defensively.
He’s worse than “bleah.”
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he is a good hitter
except for last season when he was still acceptable.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And terrible defensively
And people think we over-rate prospects here at LSB….
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
by TheBZA on Nov 10, 2008 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and
I’m not listening to the defense stuff from y’all anymore. You guys said MY was so bad, then he’s average this year. Why can’t Atkins do the same?
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
you’re probably better off just going by GG awards and public perception.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
red herring
I never said that.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well what else is there?
If you were checking for yourself you wouldn’t have needed to rely on others’ interpretation of stats.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my own formula
I made for defensive stats, you can find it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1AWTNxYHv0
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
This explains a lot…nice vids
by slimshadty12 on Nov 10, 2008 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
They definitely need Andrus. Tulo is a chump.
by chrisR on Nov 10, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop thinking about the other team
It’s a lot easier to just throw out some names that sound about equal to you.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
Talking about our initial suggestor.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good grief man
Murphy
Padilla
Holland
Andrus
for
Atkins
Street
Jimenez
Just stop.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As I said
i was being hasty in including Holland, so swap him with another. Save that and I think it works.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wondering ...
Have you, Blez, Jeff and The Rev ever considered swapping teams for a week and blogging like a faithful fan of that team just to stir things up a little? Like, say, you blog about the Angels, Blez does Seattle, Jeff does Texas and The Rev does Oakland. Would certainly break up the off-season doldrums – or in-season doldrums if you guys were brave enough.
by shroomer on Nov 10, 2008 8:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like it would be fun to read
…but it would probably logistically be a nightmare, unless they wrote up the posts and emailed them to each other.
by venturafearsnolan on Nov 10, 2008 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They could just
give each other admin capability temporarily.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 10, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff thinks
he’s too good for us. Otherwise, give us Blez or Rev and it would be a fun idea.
by Randy Richardson on Nov 10, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Rev
Oh please not Rev.
Besides, he wouldn’t last two seconds out side his little Halo Heaven utopia anyway.
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 11, 2008 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Jeff
Is pretty savvy. He has a kind of writing style, think Hemingway when he wasn’t quite awake but onto something, that not everyone gets. I read LL fairly often, and think well of Jeff’s work. Oh yeah, his distaste for Michael Young (and others, quote marked) doesn’t bother me, a Young fan.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Nov 11, 2008 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that assessment
I don’t like him, but his writing is good. It’s Rev I can’t stand out of the AL West SBN bloggers.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 11, 2008 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt that
Jeff is a really good writer. But, he has some weird, ugly, vitriol-spewing hatred for LSB posters (except you).
by Randy Richardson on Nov 11, 2008 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The vitriol
is part of his charm.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 11, 2008 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You read LL?
Traitor!!!
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 11, 2008 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
Counterterrorism
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Nov 11, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Let's just have Justin Smoak start the year with the Rangers.
Bat him 4th.
by BuckyB on Nov 10, 2008 8:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OT
I’m going to take down my poll as planned (since it doesn’t look like there’s anything to actually push it off the rec list right now).
Currently it looks like the final vote is 56-36 in favor of a ban – I’m taking it down in 5 minutes, so if anyone wants to vote, vote now.
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2008 8:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
57-36 final
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When they come for you..
who will be left to speak out?
by Jea103 on Nov 10, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What?
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2008 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Paraphrasing the words
of Martin Niemoller. He was speaking about the Nazis just prior to World War II.
Just poking a little fun…not to be taken seriously as a slur to you.
by Jea103 on Nov 10, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
Don’t worry I wasn’t taking offense, I just didn’t know what it was.
Just say no to Scott Olsen.
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was a jab
at 4him, to be honest.
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 11, 2008 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Who thought it was a good idea to put SF-Ari on MNF?
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 10, 2008 9:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
MNF
They get last pick on games and have to select the entire year before the season starts and have to have every team at least once. So under those conditions you are gonna get duds like tonight. MNF is exactly what Sunday Night Football used to be when it was on ESPN. A laughing stock
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think MNF has to use every team once
If that were the case, every team would be on MNF only once per season.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Every team does get at least one “national game” and since Detroit plays on Thanksgiving that counts for them.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2008 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NBC: Phi-NYG
CBS: Pit-Ind.
Fox: GB-Min.
That left these games for ESPN to choose:
Ten.-Chi.
Buf.-NE
KC-SD
I guess none of those are incredibly riveting, especially since they had to pick before the start of the season … but I’m not sure what kind of ratings they expected to get from this game. Seems like NE-Buf would have been the logical pick before the season started.
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 10, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy
Caught him on the Ticket right after the trade. He was talking about the whole “Didn’t tip the Pizza Hutt guy” incident that led him to do lots of charity work. As he told the story he said something to the effect of how he’d always have people over, order a pizza and watch the MNF game, since Detroit never played in them. I thought it was a pretty funny jab.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
by TheBZA on Nov 10, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1 National Game
I don’t think that is correct either.
"Colt mccoy sucks, mack brown needs to be fired." - Longhorn
by DaheelzCM on Nov 10, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They must have changed that
It used to be every team got at least one “national game”. Of course this was when ESPN had the Sunday Night game and it was barely watched by anyone. I guess since NBC joined the club that went away.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
troll poll
I know who my vote for troll #2 is after this thread
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2008 9:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
nah,,,,ill give dstar the benfit of the doubt
sometimes you got to throw something to the wall and what sticks. You got to learn or form your opinion of value somewhere, at least he is willing to look up stats and can admit he might have made a mistake. I just take it as part of the learning curve. But then again I tried to reason with Seth/Steal Home/Save Us for a long time too… so maybe i am just a sucker
by laxtonto on Nov 10, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But ... but ... but ...
Those links to YouTube that display trancelinke delerium and some nearly empty tee shirt sleeves fluttering to sound that isn’t music …. what happens to those?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Nov 10, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
trancelike delirium!!! MY BRAINWASHING WORKS!!!
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how bout some modern art instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDAQBBaEnSQ
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You
have way too much spare time.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 10, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it only took bout
9 minutes to make.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 11, 2008 7:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of outrageous trade suggestions
for the Mavs fans out there, I have a question…I know Kidd is the much more likely guy to be traded due to his expiring contract, but if we were to put Dirk on the market, what sort of return could we expect?
by clark on Nov 10, 2008 9:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
dirk
for kobe and walton
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Nov 10, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd look at what Minnesota got for Garnett...
And use that as sort of a benchmark…
An Al Jefferson type a Lottery Pick, and some filler… Give or take, obviously, depending on the situation…
And for what it’s worth, I think if they don’t make a deep run back into the playoffs this year, you’ve gotta move Dirk, blow up the roster, and just start this thing over…
If you’re in fringy playoff position at the trading deadline, I might shop him around early, see what’s out there, and try to gauge the market heading into the offseason if you can’t get what you want then…
by N41D on Nov 10, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
any big “firesale” deals the Mavs make don’t suck like the ones they made in the 90s (Shawn Freaking Bradley for Jimmy Jackson and Sam Cassell, Jamal Mashburn for about 11 combined games of European guys). Extended a rebuilding period.
by jonthefon on Nov 11, 2008 1:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: WOW
That was the worst penalty i’ve ever seen in the history of the NFL.
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 10, 2008 9:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
oh my
Singletary is about to drop trousers again…
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 10, 2008 10:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh My
Singletary just effed up that game singlehandedly. WOW.
I can’t believe what i just saw…
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 10, 2008 11:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that was unreal
what a crappy ending.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2008 11:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stuart Scott
just asked the same exact question Young asked. I wonder if he was paying attention…
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
by sprite on Nov 10, 2008 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what an absolutely epic
battle of which coach and which players could f*** up the most. Unbelievable really. How does an NFL team complete a pass at the 2.5 yard line with 40+ seconds remaining and then manage a spike and 2 runs – leaving an unplayed down at the end of the game. I’d expect better from a high school team.
by Randy Richardson on Nov 10, 2008 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
What the fuck Hill could possibly have been talking to his receiver about when he was milking a good 10 seconds off the clock waiting to spike it. Dumb.
by brettgardner on Nov 10, 2008 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MLH to the first pitcher conditioning session
by hightowersmith on Nov 11, 2008 7:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like the science in his post
Conditioning will add 1.5 pitchers. Where does 1.5 come from? Is that like 2.5 kids?
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Nov 11, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interested In Zaun
Do you think there would be interest in bringing Zaun to Texas if the Rangers trade two of their four catchers. I’d like to see the Rangers keep T as the primary catcher and let a vet like Zaun mentor him and back him up. Max at Oklahoma and Laird and Salty for pitching.
Foolish consistency is the hobgobblin of little minds - Emerson
by RangerEddie on Nov 11, 2008 8:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That would be great.
Plus, Zauny lives in Southlake.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 11, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that where you live?
[Not that I don’t technically know that already …]
=)
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 11, 2008 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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