Some Tuesday night linkaliciousness
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 12, 2008 8:40 PM CST
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The Transaction Oracle weighs in on the Holliday trade and the Olsen trade. Joe Sheehan thinks the Holliday deal was great for the A's.
T.R. Sullivan has some blog notes up. He thinks that Taylor Teagarden is the catcher the Rangers want to keep, Kevin Gregg is a possible fit as a trade target, and Michael Young deserved the Gold Glove (although not for being the best defensive shortstop in the A.L. -- Sullivan says that's Orlando Cabrera).
Kevin Goldstein has a chat session up. In case you didn't know already, he's a fan of the Ranger farm system.
Hans Moleman is glad to know that there's now precedent for him getting paid.
BTB looks at team defenses over the past five years. You'll be shocked to know that the Rangers weren't last, although they were close. And there's a gratuitous POTF shot from the author in there.
Ken Rosenthal has some various notes up, including talk about whether J.J. Hardy is going to get moved and the Peavy sweepstakes (for those who want to rev either of those bandwagons back up)...
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Adam-
What do you think about Crasnick’s article on Sheets? Think that is a realistic target?
ANDY. SONNANSTINE.
by Stephen Rushin on Nov 12, 2008 8:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
???
Steve (Detroit): Do you see either Scott Sizemore or Will Rhymes ever becoming the starting 2B for the Tigers?
Kevin Goldstein: Neither system sucks, but you are kind of wasting a lot on a 360/PS3 if you don’t have HD. Personally I have a PS3 because movies are important to me and the media capabilities were just as important.
by tyd3311 on Nov 12, 2008 8:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
KG - the master of red herring.
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 12, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Blue Jays...
Great pitching, great defense, great bullpen…
Lind, Wells, Rios, Snider… those guys aren’t terrible hitters.
What gives?
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 12, 2008 8:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
an idiot GM - and no Keith Law
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 12, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad luck.
Rios was miserable pre all-star break, Wells was on the DL for a long time, Lind wasn’t very good last year and Snider didn’t get called up until September.
Losing Aaron Hill early on really hurt them too.
by LiamP on Nov 12, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Average team age: 31.0
Yikes.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 12, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
1.2 million for a 60 mph batting cage pitch to the balls?
Who here wouldn’t take that deal?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 12, 2008 8:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not if it causes permanent damage to my twig and berries.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 12, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy:
Can;t do it bc there is NO way you could ask MY to move to third THIS year. Too soon, it would be insulting
by BuckyB on Nov 12, 2008 9:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about insulting him.
Sure, probably won’t happen. But no one should be cared who gets “insulted” for the sake of winning.
by philkid3 on Nov 12, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When your clubhouse has really good chemistry going,
You shouldn’t try to screw it up by asking your GG SS/team leader/ team veteran/ model for how hard you should work to the rest of the team to change positions. Especially as they are stressing building a hard working, high character team. Doesn’t make sense
by BuckyB on Nov 12, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the exact oppostie
for the very reasons you gave. If the team is going to be better, why not move? I understand we all have egos, but this ain’t the playground. MY is compensated very well for PLAYING baseball. He ain’t the owner or the manager. Therefore, he should move with a smile on his face, and say thanks for the BIG cash.
1/20/09 - The end of a error.
by Parman on Nov 13, 2008 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wins=chemistry
If the team wins more because of the move the chemistry will take care of itself.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 13, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be embarassed if I ever wrote something like this.
By the way. Orlando Cabrera may be the best defensive shortstop in the American League but remember it was Johnny Oates who first said, “All I want from my shortstop is to make the routine play and turn the double play.”
If Johnny Oates said that, I’ll take it over any stats analysis and say that Michael Young certainly deserved the Gold Glove.
by philkid3 on Nov 12, 2008 9:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
With friendly intent
Some embarassment mught be useful.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Nov 12, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TT better be the one we keep and Laird Baby!
I agree with Washington on this.
“For me, it’s still Gerald Laird until one of the young kids shows he can push him out of the way,” Washington said from his New Orleans home Friday. “As long as Gerald is here, he has the inside track for me.”
http://www.star-telegram.com/284/story/1026203.html
TT and Laird are the two I want.
and YES Michael Young deserved the Gold Glove. TR is correct. btw, I have a question for TR if he’s listening. Are you going to take some time and do some fishing? You neeed some relaxation. It’s never to late to do some fishing.
by kokopelli on Nov 12, 2008 10:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
Im not a big sabermetric guy or anything but MY has a very slow first step which really does hinder his range. Cabrera deserved the GG in my opinion. Michael Young makes the routine but has very little range but does have a strong arm.
Unless you are willing to make Teagarden the backup then you have to trade Laird. Laird has expressed his displeasure at splitting time. So if you make Teagarden the backup you might as well deal him because he would more value that way. Personally, I believe that you trade Salty and Laird. You can drum up enough value for Salty still to get a good, young pitcher for him. I think Laird’s value is higher now than it has ever been. I just think you have to keep Ramirez because he has such a special bat and keep Teagarden because of his GG (now HE is gold glove level defender, my friend) level defense.
Basically, i dont agree with either of your assessments.
by Michael Cave on Nov 12, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You want gerald laird to start and think young deserved the GG
i disagree.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Nov 12, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
And that’s stating it lightly.
"I would say that our gaping hole isn’t nearly as gaping as the A’s hole [was] or Mariner’s would be." - tyd3311
by lonestarJon on Nov 13, 2008 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
minorleagueball.com readers
…voted Teagarden 45 on their top 100. That’s like twenty Rangers so far.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 12, 2008 11:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haha,
seems like it, doesnt it? Do you think they are over-valuing MaxRam or is that appropriate? I think he can be a really special catcher and a serviceable defensive catcher.
by Michael Cave on Nov 12, 2008 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stat oriented folks
really like him. I’m a pretty big fan too.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 12, 2008 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am too
personally I believe our best situation is keeping him and Teagarden next year. Have MaxRam start in OKC and then push his way up with an impressive first few months to become the backup catcher and starter at DH. I was very impressed with his plate coverage when I saw him play last year.
by Michael Cave on Nov 12, 2008 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And now a word
from the Redunant Dept. of Redundancy
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 13, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
9. NEFTALI FELIZ – SP (Texas)
17. DEREK HOLLAND – SP (Texas)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK – 1B (Texas)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS – SS (Texas)
30. MAX RAMIREZ – C/1B (Texas)
45. TAYLOR TEAGARDEN – C (Texas)
by Brett Perryman on Nov 12, 2008 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Prediction
Smoak will be a top 5 prospect in all of baseball by the end of next season. I dont really believe that Im going out on a limb by saying that either.
by Michael Cave on Nov 12, 2008 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a gigantic man crush on Justin Smoak
I feel like he has all the talent Teixeira has… but isn’t a fagsy douche bag
by BuckyB on Nov 13, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Admittedly, there was a fair bit of ballot stuffing
In a BA or BP top 100, I think Holland falls more in the 20-25 range, Smoak is more 25-35 and Andrus is 35-45. I also doubt that anyone will rate Max 15 spots higher than Teagarden, but that’s just me.
by LiamP on Nov 12, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
My guess is that Ramirez doesn’t make their list. I do think that Andrus at least has a chance to be higher than 35-45 (could be that range as well). He was 19 last year after all.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 12, 2008 11:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think that Ramirez
won’t make both the BP and BA lists?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 12, 2008 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that he won’t make either, yeah. I’m not positive, though.
I think that Feliz, Holland, Smoak, Andrus, and Teagarden are slam dunks for BA, with Main and Beltre having the next best shots. Martin Perez may get on there too. Golstein is a little harder to predict since he hasn’t commented on some of them as often. I think that Perez has a decent chance to make his, and I would guess that Beltre won’t.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 13, 2008 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Martin Perez.
I’m fairly positive he’ll be on the top 100 for BA at least. Manuel seems really high on him. I haven’t seen anything from Callis regarding Perez apart from what he said to Jamey about the Main/Perez combo, which was pretty positive.
by LiamP on Nov 13, 2008 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Callis has commented
favorably about him in chats.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 13, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Max makes it on their lists...
…but in the 75-100 range.
How many guys do you think we’ll have in the top 100? If I had to guess, I’d say Feliz, Holland, Smoak, Andrus, Perez, Teagarden, Main, Beltre and Max in that order. Maybe Borbon sneaks in the 90-100 range.
by LiamP on Nov 13, 2008 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think seven, maybe six. I really doubt more than seven. Definitely not nine.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 13, 2008 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think we'll have 9 between the two lists?
I’d say the first 6 (Feliz, Holland, Smoak, Andrus, Perez, Teagarden) are locks on both BA/BP, but I may be wrong about how much BP loves Perez. I think Max will be on the BA list somewhere and Beltre and maybe Main will be on the BP list.
So 7, maybe 8 depending on which top 100 you look at.
by LiamP on Nov 13, 2008 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't
say that there wouldn’t be nine combined, but on the BA list in particular, nine is an outlandish number.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 13, 2008 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The way I see it is
that the fans of teams with better farm systems (Rangers/A’s/Giants/etc.) will have more fans posting on minorleagueball.com, thus more votes for their players.
by groundingout on Nov 13, 2008 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And beyond that
some of the top sites of SBN are those very clubs. Some teams have more popular sites that aren’t part of SBN.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 13, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
newsense (DC): Would any of the Rangers’ catchers be worth the Red Sox trading Bucholz or Masterson? If not, do the Rangers have anything that could even out the deal?
Kevin Goldstein: The Rangers have one of, if not THE best system in baseball, so they have enough to even out pretty much any deal you can think of. I’d be willing to part with Masterson if I was Texas [I think he means Boston], but I wouldn’t sell low on Buchholz.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 12, 2008 11:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And I think he meant to use the subjunctive.
by brettgardner on Nov 13, 2008 12:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
instead of...
the indicative?
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
by Haeger Champ on Nov 13, 2008 1:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just a Caveman...
I fell in some ice and later got thawed out by your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me. I don’t understand your subjunctive and indicative verbiage. I’m more at home hunting a woolly mammoth than posting on a blog.
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
by Haeger Champ on Nov 13, 2008 1:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hehehehe
"He’s basically told himself unconsciously that he can’t be any good unless he catches 130 games a year. If he played with the baseball smarts of a guy like a David Eckstein, he’d maximize his talent and be an incredible player." - Andy Seiler, Texas Rangers Analyst
by Chase Irwin on Nov 13, 2008 8:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
remember when tim cowlishaw
had smart things to say?
now he has this, wherein he argues that the Mavericks shouldn’t be dismantled because a) they have lost their 2010 first round pick, and b) it won’t be easy.
Never mind that they already look completely mediocre this year, have a hugely tradable asset in Jason Kidd, and have a rapidly aging team full of players who could fill unique needs for the right (legitimate) contender.
by clark on Nov 13, 2008 6:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't really think it's dumb.
The Mavs have only played 7 games, a Jason Kidd trade isn’t going to save the franchise, and I’m not sure what unique needs anybody other than Dirk or Howard could fill for anybody else.
If we’re way out at the trade deadline, then it’s time to consider some serious moves, but panicking now seems pretty useless to me, especially since nothing would change between now and the offseason except Kidd.
by brettgardner on Nov 13, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mavs
The org is betting Dirk and Howard will be effective into Dirk’s 32-year-old season and beyond. Because the Mavs are over or around the cap until summer 2010, no free agent can be bought before then, and nobody’s dealing value for the contracts actually tying up the Mavs’ payroll (Terry, Dampier).
This is a good table of Mavs current salaries.
The only room for creativity is dealing Kidd to a team needing cap space next summer, assuming they’ll trade a pick for his expiring contract. Taking back contracts equal to Kidd’s probably means a couple albatrosses roosting on the payroll. Nobody very desirable comes to mind.
Fortunately if they tank this year, there is that 2009 pick.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 13, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That list
doesn’t have Diop’s contract listed…..
They basically decided to give it 2 more seasons with the core that has won 50 games 8 straight seasons including 2 West finals and a NBA finals. It may not be successful, but it beats the alternative. Assuming it doesn’t work, they get rid of some significant money in 2010 and go after Lebron.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 13, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
O you know they’re looking long and hard at LeBron.
The ~$24m they owe Dampier and Terry is going to hurt their chances. I don’t know NBA salary rules well enough to do the LeBron analysis really…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 13, 2008 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damp
His 2010-2011 contract is only party guaranteed. I know I read it somewhere and I’ll try to find it, but this was the best I could do in 3 minutes on google.
http://www.quickdfw.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/101208dnspomavslede.3d094b5.html
When he signed his seven-year, $63 million deal in ‘04, Dampier was viewed as untradeable. That has changed. With the contract down to two years, plus a partly guaranteed option, the Mavericks routinely get interest from other teams about Dampier. None of those calls has produced trade talk to their liking. And Carlisle’s system requires Dampier’s bulk in the middle.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 13, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See below.
It’s based on minutes or playing in 3 AS games.
by brettgardner on Nov 13, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Damp will be gone after next year, because he won’t play the amount of minutes he needs, and he won’t be invited to 3 All-Star games in two years.
Terry is the only albatross on the roster.
But please, there’s no way we shed enough salary to make a competitive bid for someone like Lebron. I’ll say there’s an 85% chance he stays in Cleveland, and of the other options, Dallas isn’t listed.
There’s absolutely no sign that Dirk won’t hold up. He’s still getting better, actually. If this year is going very poorly, then I’d suggest something like Howard to NJ for Simmons, Sean Williams and a future 1st (maybe even ours). I’m sure, though, that it’d be better to wait until the offseason.
I don’t see the sky falling nearly as much as others.
by brettgardner on Nov 13, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't rule out Dirk being traded this winter.
by tyd3311 on Nov 13, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't rule it out.
But I’d sure hate to see it.
If the offer is overwhelming, though, you have to look at it.
by brettgardner on Nov 13, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My dream scenario.
LaMarcus Aldrigde and Raef for Dirk.
by tyd3311 on Nov 13, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good God.
We better get more than that. Aldridge is nice, but he’s not a franchise player by any stretch of the imagination.
by brettgardner on Nov 13, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We get Aldridge
and the cap space to add a stud.
by tyd3311 on Nov 13, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dirk wasn't a franchise player
his second year in the league. and Raef is 14 million expiring.
by tyd3311 on Nov 13, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Curious
Do you think Aldridge will turn into an All-Star?
by brettgardner on Nov 13, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
I do. He has not nearly reached his potential.
by tyd3311 on Nov 13, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Believe me
I’d love to have him, but I want to see him move beyond 15 foot jumpers and position himself on the boards better before I fall in love.
Maybe you’re right, though, and he’s just getting started.
by brettgardner on Nov 13, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if I had a choice
between Amare, Bosh, and Aldridge for the next 5-10 years, I’d take Aldridge.
by tyd3311 on Nov 13, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tough
But I’m pretty sure I’d take Bosh.
by brettgardner on Nov 13, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure they can do it
Right now they have about $50M in contracts for 2010-2011.
That includes Dirk’s player option of $21M (no way he’d pass that up), team options on Josh and JJB ($11.8M and $1.8M), and a qualifying offer of $3.4 for Shawne Williams.
The salary cap this season is about $59M, and recently has gone up about $2M-$3M a year.
If it follows that pattern we’d be looking at a $63M cap or so for 2010-2011.
But, considering Damp won’t be here then subtract $13M and you’re down around $37M. The max contract for 7th year players is 30% of the cap. ~$63M x 30% = ~$18.9M.
They can easily get under the cap to offer him the max. The only team that could offer more is Cleveland.
As for Dallas not being listed…read this:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=dw-lebron070108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
When asked to name his favorite city he said: "New York."
Favorite borough?
"Brooklyn," James said. "Brooklyn is definitely a great place here in New York City, and some of my best friends are from Brooklyn, so I stick up for them."
Brooklyn is where the New Jersey Nets are expected to move to in 2010 (at least if community groups don’t blow it). The franchise is owned, in part, by James’ friend Jay-Z, and should be stock full of young, complementary talent and a King’s ransom in salary cap room.
James knows all of this. His answers weren’t by accident or without meaning, no more than was wearing a New York baseball cap from an Indians-Yankees playoff game last fall just an expression of pinstriped-fandom.
This was just the latest, albeit most obvious, shot across the Cavaliers’ bow. James didn’t list Cleveland as one of his five favorite cities, although hometown Akron came in fifth behind Washington, Dallas and Los Angeles.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 13, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also read this
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Al6HYvVe6laCooKkDAmlkES8vLYF?slug=aw-lebron102908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
The Knicks are working hard to get under the salary cap in 2010.
With the Knicks, there are two teams a source familiar with James’ thinking says intrigue him: The Los Angeles Lakers and Dallas Mavericks.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 13, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get it.
But that’s like Kobe being “interested” in Phoenix or LAC. The vast majority of the time it’s just talk.
I’m not going to sacrifice competitiveness in order to maybe get Lebron. I just don’t trust NBA free agency for anything other than spare parts.
by brettgardner on Nov 13, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe
really did almost sign with the clippers. It wasn’t until the Lakers traded Shaq that he said he’d come back to the Lakers.
But, I understand what you’re saying that it’s not very likely. However, I think they’ll be competitive for a playoff spot until that off season, then they’ll make a run at him or one of the other marquee FA’s that year.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 13, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh would be the consolation prize.
by tyd3311 on Nov 13, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there's quite a few consolation prizes out there
God, that 03 draft was beyond sexy.
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
by Maximilian on Nov 13, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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