Yankees get Nick Swisher from the ChiSox
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 13, 2008 2:54 PM CST
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The Yankees have picked up outfielder Nick Swisher from the ChiSox.
Apparently, in exchange for minor leaguer Jeffrey Marquez.
Marquez is a 24 year old RHP who was a first round pick in 2004, and who BA didn't include in their top 10 this year. He had a rough season in 2008 and doesn't strike out a bunch of guys.
Unless there is someone else of significance going to Chicago, this looks like a salary dump, to me.
And just a season after the ChiSox gave up Gio Gonzalez and Ryan Sweeney to get him.
Bleah.
UPDATE -- The full deal:
The Yankees traded infielder Wilson Betemit and minor league pitchers Jeff Marquez and Jhonny Nunez to Chicago in exchange for the switch-hitting Swisher and minor league pitcher Kanekoa Texeira
Picking up Betemit isn't bad. Nunez also didn't make the BA top 10 list for the Yanks.
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Like I said in the FanShot deleted, I was part of the crowd that didn’t like the trade for Chicago. I ended up backing off my initial reaction because I believed they could get value back for him if they fell out of contention. Problem is, they were in contention and this is no where near what they gave up for him. Why would they sell so low on him? Has to be a salary dump, but it wouldn’t surprise me if more players ended up going over.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
by TheBZA on Nov 13, 2008 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yanks also got P Kanekoa J Texeira
A solid 22 year old AA pitcher. WOW!
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
by pbpsean on Nov 13, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah weird
What an awful venture Swisher was for CWS.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 13, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid Kenny Williams
giving away Swisher.
This is how the Yankees got Bobby Abreu for basically nothing. They got some good years out of him and now will reap draft picks after he leaves.
by chrisR on Nov 13, 2008 3:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wow
once again kenny williams proves how “good” he is
surely they are getting back kennedy or melky or something like that…right?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 13, 2008 3:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
2 things.
(1) Swisher really isn’t that good.
(2) Things have a strange way or working out well for Kenny Williams.
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on Nov 13, 2008 3:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
*way of working out
Neftali Feliz is not a swimmer.
by NoNameOnCard on Nov 13, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kanekoa J Texeira + Jeffrey Marquez <<< Ryan Sweeney + De Los Santos + Gio
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 13, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well and
he gave up Texeira also, didn’t get him. He got Nunez and Betemit.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 13, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he isn't that good. . .
. . . they never should have traded Gio Gonzalez or Ryan Sweeney for him.
by philkid3 on Nov 13, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher
I don’t really think he’s a Yankee caliber RF but I would say he is above average. He had absolutely awful luck last year and I just don’t see anyway that could happen again.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Nov 13, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CF or DH?
Does anybody think the Yankees might target Milton?
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 13, 2008 3:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
RF 1B or DH
Swisher shouldn’t be in center anymore.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Nov 13, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But aren't the Yanks in the Teixeira sweepstakes?
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 13, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I mean I guess they could play him in CF. Chicago ran him and Griffey out there last year and it’s pretty clear the Yankees really don’t value defense so much.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Nov 13, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yankees
How is it that the Yankees are always able to get something for nothing? It’s ridiculous.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on Nov 13, 2008 3:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cuz they are willing to overpay for a player, bc it doesn't affect their offseason plans at all
by BuckyB on Nov 13, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they def underpaid here
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 13, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some details:
The Yankees have acquired first baseman Nick Swisher and Class AA right-hander Kanekoa Texeira from the White Sox, according to major-league sources.
The exact players going back to the White Sox are not yet known, but sources say the White Sox will be receiving two minor leaguers and one major-league reserve. ESPN.com is reporting that Yankees Class AAA right-hander Jeff Marquez is in the deal.
by coolaid on Nov 13, 2008 3:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
even then
Melky Cabrera + Kanekoa J Texeira + Jeffrey Marquez <<< Ryan Sweeney + De Los Santos + Gio
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 13, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and remember that trade w/ OAK
was before de los santos hurt his arm (TJ?) and i think he was the CWS #1 prospect according to KG
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 13, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
White Sox are getting
Wilson Betemit and Johnny Nunez
per Rosenthal
by chrisR on Nov 13, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson Betemit + Johnny Nunez + Kanekoa J Texeira + Jeffrey Marquez <<< Ryan Sweeney + De Los Santos + Gio
at that point in time it was 3 guys who had been top 100 prospects and IIRC 2 of em had been top 50 + their top prospect according to KG
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 13, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The White Sox
Gave up Texiera along with Swisher. That is a total salary dump and a bad one at that cause Tex is a decent prospect.
by sftxfan on Nov 13, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dominoes are starting to fall.
I’m excited.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 13, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if someone's mentioned this
Cliff Lee won AL Cy Young. K-Rod finished third.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Nov 13, 2008 3:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Value of ML
With the value of proven major leaguers at an all time low I’d really like to see us go after Adrian Beltre. I wonder what minimal package it would take to get him.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Nov 13, 2008 3:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
what the hell
what is up with all these shitty effin’ trades of late?
.
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 13, 2008 3:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have this theory
that at least one bean counter in every ML FO is starting to try to convince the movers and shakers that when the economy goes t!ts-up it’s the teams without the mega-contracts who’ll be laffin’.
by shroomer on Nov 13, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
Yankees get:
Swisher
K Texeira
WS get:
Wilson Betemit
Marquez
Johnny Nunez
by chrisR on Nov 13, 2008 3:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I always hated Swisher
And this just seals that feeling up for eternity. Granted, not necessarily his fault he was traded, but my hatred knows no rationale.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Nov 13, 2008 3:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
guess the yanks...
…are serious about getting a texeira this season.
i know, bad. but i couldn’t help myself.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
by ivysafety39 on Nov 13, 2008 3:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
HA
Definitely a cheaper one!
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
by pbpsean on Nov 13, 2008 3:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A guy I'd love to see JD target
I’m buying the hype on his numbers, he is the most.
Is Toronto satisfied with their catcher situation? The blush of youth is gone from Curtis Thigpen. It’s doubtful they want a Max Ramirez, with Snider probably getting DH ABs, and Saltalamacchia is close to overpaying. Stark says they want more pitching.
I don’t know. I just need to get it off my chest that I love Bretty Cecil.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 13, 2008 3:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
what they need
is a SS.
Are you willing to deal Elvis?
by clark on Nov 13, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They have Scutaro for SS.
At least for this year. Scutaro is like my favorite player ever.
Plus they seem to be really high on Justin Jackson in their minor league pipeline and would be looking to bridge the gap to him if anything.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Phil Collins says...
…his favorite player ever is “ScuuuuScuuuuScuuuuScutaro…”
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 13, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I can't believe I'm rec-ing this.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 13, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I look a long time at that.
It comes down to eyeball testimony.
If the scouts say Andrus is the genuine article, you have to back away and build from Vallejo or Marcus, or even Arias (with a big plus there).
If there’s any doubt about Andrus, Cecil would require discouraging scouting reports.
His profile, numbers-wise, is outstanding.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Nov 13, 2008 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't they already have a catching prospect in Arencibia?
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 13, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well sure
Great pick by them, btw.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 13, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Betemit
I sorta wanted the Rangers to target him as an option at 3B. Of course, I was willing to offer Laird AND I wanted a reliever back as well. Who knew Betemit could by Nick Swisher?
Seems like a good buy-low for the Yanks. A rich ballclub with brains at the helm never struggles for long.
by clark on Nov 13, 2008 3:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Great trade by the Yanks.
With Swisher, Nady, Damon and Matsui in the mix for their COF-1b-DH positions they’re pretty much set.
They’re really only weak at CF with Melky and at C if Posada can’t handle the workload next season.
But that offense is gonna be dino might.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they land Cameron
for the CF spot. Truthfully, I think this was them getting out of the Teixeira race before it began. I think it is CC or bust for them this offseason.
by clark on Nov 13, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As it should be.
CC’s the best pitcher to hit the free market since the Unit went to AZ back in the day. (Not counting Clemens since tat was a whole ’nother sort of drama.)
The Yanks are gonna give him 200+mm and that’ll be the end of it… unless he really, really wants to be a Cali and/or NL guy. But I can’t see him leaving that much cash on the table.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and I dunno about Cameron.
Maybe. Is Milwaukee really looking to cut payroll and/or do they have a replacement itching to go?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i read
that they don’t want to trade him, but they feel they need starting pitching and he could be a valuable trade chip.
If I am JD, I am on the phone offering Byrd.
by clark on Nov 13, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Following their trend
I think Andrew Jones will be their CF next year.
by BuckyB on Nov 13, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd to Milwaukee
for what?
Just like us, they want to acquire pitching.
I don't hate everything. In fact, I think LSB is just groovy.
by tricer on Nov 13, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he meant Byrd to NY
If they were going after Cameron maybe they would be interested in Byrd. Much cheaper, although to NY price really doesn’t matter
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 13, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it depends
on what we find elsewhere. i would have said betemit until today. now i would target arms, esp bullpen arms.
by clark on Nov 13, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher, Nady, Damon, and Matsui......
Nady may be the best player out of that group next year, I don’t think that’s a good thing.
by tyd3311 on Nov 13, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher, Nady, Damon and Matsui
My guess
Swisher: 1B
Nady: RF
Damon: LF
Matsui: DH
Obviously, Swisher is not going to be their biggest position player acquisition of the offseason. So far, that lineup looks pretty underwhelming, but if they add Tex or Cameron, things could look very different and brighter for the Yankees.
by chrisR on Nov 13, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That looks underwhelming to you?
Looks pretty freaking good to me, especially when combined with ARod, Jeter and Cano plus maybe a healthy Posada.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t say freaking good.. I mean it has the chance of being a real solid, smart lineup as a group, but also the potential of being pretty underwhelming… If you include Posada, that’s 4 players that are at least 35, and a struggling Nick Swisher.
by tyd3311 on Nov 13, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
Not one of those guys stands out, and those are supposed to be your four best offensive positions. The guys in more defensive positions buoys their lineup quite a lot.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 13, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So I suppose you're epxecting a serious regression from Damon and Nady and no return to form for Matsui and Swisher?
I guess I just disagree.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
.219 .332 .410
.268 .320 .474
.303 .375 .461
.294 .370 .424
That is just not too hot from your four big offensive positions, period. Maybe Damon keeps it up and the other three kick it up by about 100 OPS points each next year, but just based on what they did for NY last year and how old they are, bleh.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 13, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's pretty reasonable to expect Nady to be a little better than he was with them, imo.
Though his Pitt numbers were prolly a bit inflated. Somewhere in the middle is what I’d expect.
Swisher is a really good bet to rebound, imo. H ewas jerked in and out of the lineup by the uber douche and asked to play CF, which was a comical move for a guy with his skill set. He kept his BB% at the same strong levels as before even as he was struggling and I just don’t see him posting another ~.250 BABIP. I’d bet on .240/.360/.460 next year. I hate the guy, but he’s a pretty good TTO player when he’s right.
Matsui can hit when he’s healthy, period. The big question there is health. I’m betting that if they do the smart thing and DH him the majority of the time he’ll have better luck staying in the lineup.
And Damon looked rejuvenated last year. I know he’ll come down a little cause his numbers last year were a little too BA driven, but he’s still got some good baseball in him.
The big problem to me is that they don’t have a true RF. Nady’s not good out there, Matsui’s knees are no good, and apparently Swisher’s gonna be the 1b. However, no matter what at least it’ll be a defensive upgrade from Abreu out there. He was the worst RF I’ve seen in… well, maybe ever. And he used to be pretty decent, iirc. He just all the sudden started taking dumps in the field. Who knew.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cashman is good
give the man that
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 13, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bronson Arroyo
MLBTR just had a bullet point about the Rangers interest in Bronson Arroyo. This is not the first time we have heard this. He is signed through 2010 w/ an option for 2011 at about 12 per year. His numbers, if translated to the AL, would look a lot like Millwood and Padilla. But he has pitched 857 innings over the last 4 years, so he is durable.
Very vanilla, if you ask me.
by clark on Nov 13, 2008 3:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
question:
would you trade Laird for him?
I am not sure if I would. It isn’t a bad return, but i would rather spend that money on a guy like Sheets.
by clark on Nov 13, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont want any part of his contract.
by coolaid on Nov 13, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they can sign Sheets to a 2 year deal...
That’s low risk, definitely should consider it.
by BuckyB on Nov 13, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To clarify
I was talking about Arroyo.
by coolaid on Nov 13, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i figured
i wouldn’t mind those innings arroyo provides, but i am not a fan of that contract. but this is not the first time we have heard whispers of the rangers’ interest in arroyo.
with the crazy salary dumps that are happening this offseason, I guess nothing can be ruled out.
by clark on Nov 13, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lolol
anyone see Skip Bayless get owned on first and 10 this morning? I don’t know who this guy opposite of him is, but he almost made Skip cry, seriously…
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 13, 2008 3:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What was
the subject.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
by TheBZA on Nov 13, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the brawl or so called brawl
dood kept calling Skip ‘soft’ because Skip thought McGrady’s pick on Nash was too hard because TMac should have known Nash had a pinched nerve…
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 13, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see whatever show you're talking about, but I thought the "brawl" was kind of funny.
If only because of the way Shaq reacted once he realized Nash had fallen down and people were standing around him. That guy is just unpossibly big and strong. He shoved T-Mac out of the way like he was made of Christmas wrapping paper tubes.
Oh, and also, we should’ve signed Matt Barnes. An energetic psycho is exactly what the Mavs have needed for years. You think he would’ve let Dwyade drive to the hole again and again and again without fear of reprisal? Nah. He’s a jackass and I hate him, but I’d love him on my team if ya know what I mean.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everytime Skip Bayless speaks
an angel cries.
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
by Maximilian on Nov 13, 2008 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everytime Skip Bayless speaks
an angel cries dies.
What a pompous ass of a human being…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 13, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone should put him
Galloway, and JFE on a one way trip to France or something.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 14, 2008 1:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is only one GM I would take over JD
and that’s Brian Cashman. What a beast.
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 13, 2008 4:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cashman is awesome.
It’d be so great to have a GM with 200 or so million, and not make the playoffs.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on Nov 13, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a steal for the Yanks.
FA starts tonight. Go Rangers.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. Back to Suckville with a loss to FLA ATL but whatever, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-9 baby!
by sprite on Nov 13, 2008 4:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Holy Crap
Marcellus Wiley’s eyes are so bloodshot.
by tyd3311 on Nov 13, 2008 5:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You mean the impressive from Virginia?
by Brett Perryman on Nov 13, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon guys stay on topic
I opened this thread fully expecting a celebration of the sacred union between a player and team that very much deserve each other. All I got was another exhausting discussion about the de/merits of our GM.
Can we get back to the true purpose of this discussion which is figuring out if Steinbrenner’s set goal is to compile every one of the biggest d-bags in baseball on one team and how long before the final domino (Texeira) falls.
I love this trade for the Sox. I love this trade for the Rangers. I love this trade for the Yanks and Nick Swisher. Now could they find any way to get Girardi fired and Guillen hired? Wait, that level of douche-ness would almost make me feel sorry for the Yankees and their fans.
Congrats Yanks and Swisher. You deserve each other
by jrams33 on Nov 13, 2008 6:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stark says the Yankees are prepared to offer Sabathia a deal; maybe as soon as tomorrow.
6/140
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 13, 2008 6:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd go 6/150 and not blink.
I’ll be pissed if the Yanks get him for 6/140.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
..........
How long have you been a Rangers fan? Do you know how that works out?
by BuckyB on Nov 13, 2008 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
My whole life, and, no, but neither do you.
Is your assertion that because we haven’t had a true ace since we moved into this ballpark that we’re somehow cursed or something?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: What would you say to this (suggest by a Royals fan)?
Rangers Get: Zach Greinke
Royals Get: Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Julio Borbon, Elvis Andrus, Tommy Hunter/Eric Hurley/Matt Harrison
Both with and without Greinke guarateed to re-sign.
by philkid3 on Nov 13, 2008 6:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd consider it
with Harrison or Hunter for the pitcher. A healthy Hurley makes that foursome a little tough to swallow. I’d really, really prefer to give them someone other than Andrus, though.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 13, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a lot
but I’d consider it, too. I’d probably counter with with Salty, Borbon, Vallejo and Hunter, though that might not be enough.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 13, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Salty, Borbon, Vallejo and Harrison
That MIGHT be as high as I’d want to go. I would understand if the Royals declined.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
by TheBZA on Nov 13, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus is definitely the sticking point.
He said he’d take any of those three pitchers, though, and I’d gladly part with Hunter.
by philkid3 on Nov 13, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We given a window to resign Greinke,
sure, but otherwise, I would say no. It seems highly improbable that the Royals would deal Greinke and agree to let the other team resign him before the deal is consummated. I’d want the pitcher to be Hunter or Harrison, I think.
ANDY. SONNANSTINE.
by Stephen Rushin on Nov 13, 2008 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
No, but we have the same name.
ANDY. SONNANSTINE.
by Stephen Rushin on Nov 13, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If given a window to resign Greinke*
ANDY. SONNANSTINE.
by Stephen Rushin on Nov 13, 2008 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont think so
Salty, Borbon, Hunter and Vallejo is my counter-offer
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Nov 13, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Greinke is worth significantly more if you given a chance to resign him to a long-term deal. Without a deal in place, I’m not sure 2 years of Greinke is worth more than the deal you just proposed. Greinke for 5 years is probably worth giving up Andrus + the package you mention.
I really like Greinke, but I think I might look at players like Bonderman and Sonnanstine first. They might put up comparable numbers while costing significantly less.
ANDY. SONNANSTINE.
by Stephen Rushin on Nov 13, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
comparable?
to Grienke? You believe that?
Are you Andy Sonnanstine’s mom?
by bushe on Nov 14, 2008 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez. Maybe.
I’d hate it, though.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I miss something?
This deal isn’t far off from the one I proposed.
Davis, Saltalamacchia and Hurley.
You save one more player, and keep the better gloves (Borbon, Andrus).
If that’s not enough, flip them an expendable corner outfielder… something KC desperately is seeking (Cruz / Boggs / Mayberry).
Also, why would KC want Borbon? Don’t they have DeJesus locked up?
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 13, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dejesus is a butt terrible CF'er. He is to CF defense what Matt Kata was to 3b defense. If they had anything else behind him he'd be a LF'er by now.
And I’d take Chris Davis over Borbon and Andrus any day of the week and wouldn’t think twice.
Davis is beast, the kind of elite bat you dream about. No trading him, please.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty far
because of Davis.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 13, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I promise to not bring up this trade proposal for the rest of the off-season.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 13, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Chris Davis
Should be considered a four letter word and censored to show up ****.
by bushe on Nov 14, 2008 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the only one on this island.
GREINKE HO!!!!!
by oc on Nov 14, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 13, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i would wait and see what
the padres get for peavy, then i would offer something less than that.
from what we have heard of the current offers, this would far exceed that, so no.
by clark on Nov 13, 2008 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: If the Angels end up w/ one of CC and Teix
which would you rather be in the division for the next 6-10 years?
I don't hate everything. In fact, I think LSB is just groovy.
by tricer on Nov 13, 2008 7:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Beig Seixy Teixy.
CC’s a big muscley mountain beast of a pitcher.
I want no part of him.
None.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
like everybody else
I’d much rather have Teix in the division than CC.
But scenario I’m really hoping for is that they miss out on both those guys and sign K-Rod for huge money.
I don't hate everything. In fact, I think LSB is just groovy.
by tricer on Nov 13, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CC
They always have the pitching that is able to shut us down. I’d rather see them tie themselves up to a huge deal for a pitcher than to get some much needed offense.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 14, 2008 1:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they continue to
have the pitching that shuts us down, we’re not going to beat them, like we haven’t. We need that to change.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 14, 2008 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that change will come
by not allowing that crappy offense to score on us.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 14, 2008 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CC
I think he craters in a year or two, don’t have a reason just think it happens.
by bushe on Nov 14, 2008 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He may last longer than that
but I do think he eventually follows fellow former tribe teammate Bartolo Colon in having a short career.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on Nov 14, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
the NFL Network is screwy…
Jindal '12
by Longhorn on Nov 13, 2008 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Dirk could make a layup
they’d only be four down with the ball and 1:10 left. Oh well.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 13, 2008 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dirk
would the Jazz trade Brewer, Millsap, and AK47 for Dirk?
Face it Mavs fans. This team jumped the Shark in the 06 game 7 against the Spurs, which will be the greatest moment in Mavs history for many more years. Time to move on.
by clark on Nov 13, 2008 11:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why would you want to do that deal?
If you’re trading Dirk you want cap room + picks or cap room + a young guy with potential. Not a pu-pu platter of decent players, one with a huge contract.
And if you’re gonna blow it up now be prepared to absorb the stomach punch that will be NJ getting our top 3 pick in ’10. The Jason Kidd was and remains one of the dumbest moves ever because of that second unprotected pick. Seriously, Cuban. WTMF?
No, I think you gotta give it a little more time at least.
If they’re still shitty after 20 or 30 games, then you talk about blowing it the eff up. And it’ll hurt. Here’s hoping Dirkles goes somewhere where he can win a title and then bitch slaps Stern at the trophy presentation while screaming “Ich bin ein Dirk Nowitzki!” then storms off the court never to be seen in America again. Cause mother fuck David Stern, that’s why. I’ve publicly announced that I’m going to dance on his grave when he dies. I’m gonna post the video on youtube. It’s gonna be a hit.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 13, 2008 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not talking about tomorrow
but seriously. this team isn’t going to “turn it around” in any real respect. they are a veteran team that came out of the gate flat. they aren’t going to gel or improve over the course of the year.
Plus, I would say Millsap and Brewer are better than decent players. And you could add a first round pick or two to even it out. Or perhaps you could replace AK with Okur and Korver or Harpring.
by clark on Nov 13, 2008 11:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My dream deal.
Hope that Oden and Aldridge don’t play well together (which they will).. Then trade Dirk for Aldridge and Raef Lafrentz.
by tyd3311 on Nov 14, 2008 7:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude Aldridge
is not enough of a return for Dirk. I don’t know why you would think that
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 14, 2008 7:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he is.
And it’s not just Aldridge, It’s a 14m expiring contract… But Aldridge is on the verge.
by tyd3311 on Nov 14, 2008 7:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Expiring contract
Yeah, that’s a nice temporary return…
Aldridge is nice, but I want more for a MVP caliber player.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 14, 2008 7:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This year is the last year
you could even consider trading for Aldridge.
by tyd3311 on Nov 14, 2008 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I challenge you to find me a better deal
by tyd3311 on Nov 14, 2008 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You may be correct
That it’s as good a deal as you can get.
Which is why I wouldn’t trade him.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 14, 2008 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Aldridge is enough for Dirk
But his proposal works simply because of the math. Trading in the NBA is more about making the money work than who you get back. With Dirks huge contract and Aldridge still on his rookie deal it will take a Raef type contract to make it work.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 14, 2008 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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