LSB Community Prospect Project: #2
by thedirkatron on Nov 19, 2008 2:06 AM CST
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The first one is out of the way. Yay.
After 264 votes, Derek Holland has won the right to be called the LSB Community #1 prospect!
I'm actually a bit surprised. I knew he had a shot to win, but I didn't think he'd make it look so easy.
The list so far:
1. LHP, Derek Holland.
Time to move on to the next vote.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who have spent time in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect and he goes on the poll. It's that simple.
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Feliz.
Methinks this might turn into a rout.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 19, 2008 2:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yah
That’s an autovote here. Like you said though, I’m surprised Holland won the first poll so handily – maybe it was all our raving about K/BB ratios and secondary pitches in the previous thread, but I was actually a tad surprised he won at all. I kinda expected most people to carry over all that Feliz love from midseason.
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by lonestarJon on Nov 19, 2008 2:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Main
Very polished at such a young age… Feliz still has a long way to go with the secondary arsenal
by Baseball North on Nov 19, 2008 2:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate the polish and the dreamy intangibles and the way he looks you right in the eye when he shakes your hand, but he's only 7 months younger than Feliz.
And Feliz has dominated in AA.
I gotta go with Feliz here.
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MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 19, 2008 3:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One pitch
plays well in AA, and it might play well in the bullpen.
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by DJCahill on Nov 19, 2008 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing as how this one might not be all that close, how about a question.
Seeing as how we’re all sunshine and candy flavored apple sauce around here talking about our very best prospects and how great they all are, let’s take a minute and delve into the seedy underbelly of prospect prognostication: The heart breakers.
Who are your picks for most disappointing prospects from ’08 and why?
My ballot:
1. Cristian Santana- He was supposed to be a catcher. The bat was supposed to be a plus. This year we learned neither is true. A .670 OPS from a COF? Ugh. I’m never again gonna let myself get excited about a young LA guy without seeing some actual higher-than-rookie league results first. I swear.
2. Johnny Whittleman- I keep wanting to believe in the plate discipline (15.6% BB-rate) and the draft pedigree, but I think I’ve finally just accepted that he’s just never going to be good. Not even a decent fielder at 3b and never gonna hit for enough power. Ugh.
3. Fabio Castillo- I repeat: “I’m never again gonna let myself get excited about a young LA guy without seeing some actual higher-than-rookie league results first. I swear.”
4. Matt West- .258/.331/.358/.689 with 4 hr in 240+ ab’s from a 3b? Meh. He showed some decent plate discipline, but I expected more out of him as he returned from his PED suspension.
5. Wilmer Font- The mid-season rumors of his death were apparently greatly exaggerated, but I was hoping for a Clinton (or at the very very least Spokane) stint out of the kid this year. Not a bad year on the field, just a frustrating inability to actually get onto the field. Hopefully he can put this year’s injury woes behind him and finally start playing in real minor league games next season.
Honorable Mention: Eric Hurley, Kasey Kiker, John Mayberry Jr.
Please note that I don’t think those 5 guys are complete failures and/or shouldn’t be considered good prospects. It’s just that their ’08 seasons were all very disappointing to me.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 19, 2008 2:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
You’ve named the big disappointments, although I think I’d of left Matt West and Wilmer Font off the list. The big disappointment for West was when he got suspended initially, and if you’re going to put Font on, then it’s hard to leave Thomas Diamond off. Beyond that, Evan Reed, Michael Schlact and Zachary Phillips didn’t do much to help their causes.
As for Cristian Santana, his OPS was .694. Engel Beltre’s was .711. There’s no age discrepancy between the two, but Santana’s ridiculously high strikeout rate and Beltre’s ability to steal bases mark their biggest differences. The thing about Santana is that he lost all of 2006 with Labrum Surgery, a month of 2007 with a wrist injury, and another month this season with an ankle injury.
I’d read before the season that Santana would likely begin at Extended Spring Training before going to Spokane. It seems that Texas should’ve followed that path, as he’d only played 33 games professionally (27 in the Arizona Rookie League and 6 in the Northwest League) prior to the 2008 season.
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by YourNameHere on Nov 19, 2008 2:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You really have to feels sorry for Christian Santana
The poor guy’s hot start just turned into a disaster of a season. Labrum surgery, ext… just a disaster.
I would like to nominate Luis Mendoza for the top spot however. He was technically considered a “prospect” coming into this year and even though all his crappy results came in the majors, he’s still the biggest dissapointment of the season as far as I’m concerned. Negative 31.6 VORP… the worst among all 2008 MLB pitchers, and nearly twice as bad as Josh Fogg’s second-to-worst -18.4 VORP. Nuff said, lest I make anyone puke by quoting more of Mendoza’s numbers.
So if I where making a list, I’d say:
1. Mendoza – simply sucked
2. Santana – injuries/simply sucked
3. Fabio Castillo – just didn’t live up to the hype
4. Font – injuries
5. Thomas Diamond – should’ve just had the surgery on the bone spur the very first time it cropped up – waiting ruined his comeback completely. The development of the hammer curveball in what action he did see might have been a big step forward though, so he might not belong on this list.
Whittleman, West and Mayberry don’t make my list because, to be completely honest, I never really thought any of them where really worth a shit from the start. No expectations, no dissapointments.
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by lonestarJon on Nov 19, 2008 3:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those first three
Those guys had every chance – from a raw talent perspective – to be among the top prospects in the system after this year, but they just really struggled. With Castillo expectations were also probably too high. I don’t know what happened to the other two.
Font was a disappointment, but I don’t really feel any differently about him as a prospect than I did a year ago, and I definitely can’t say that about those others.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 19, 2008 4:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow......you lost me big time here.
What exactly was disappointing about Hurley?
Other than his first month in AAA this year, what in the world was disappointing?
Was it disappointing that after April he figured out his change up and really put the pressure on Ranger brass to call him up in June?
Or was it disappointing that after his first 4 starts he was 1-1 with a 3.57 ERA? (to count his last start against him is absolutely asinine. He was hurt. If you don’t believe it, go read the article MJH wrote about Hurley on the DMN website. I would love to see when the last time a Rangers, homegrown starter was able to post a 3.57 ERA after his FIRST four games in the big leagues)
Or was it disappointing that he did beat the eventual World Series Champions?
If you want to base the fact that he was disappointing because of the shoulder strain, then fine. But it’s very difficult to say that he had an entirely “disappointing season.”
by nutsonthetable on Nov 19, 2008 7:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what was GOOD about him this year?
and dont use four, FOUR, starts at the major league level as any kind of “good thing” – its four starts.
actually, what has been good since he got to AAA
hurley shouldnt be ranked higher than about 15 in our system.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats really not thinking straight
imo, the guy who was ranked number 1 last year not in the top 15 this year? And looking at his season, it really wasnt a dissapointment, he did really well leading up to his injury. I honestly dont see where you’re coming from at all.
by blalock84 on Nov 19, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes hes not in the top 15 and he SHOULDNT have been #1 last year except that we had a weak ass farm system
no he shouldnt be in the top 15 and i can guarantee you hes not in BA’s top 10 or BP’s rangers top 11
he should be in the 15-18 range
please, answer the question about what he has done well since he got to AAA besides allow a LOT of HR
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta agree
First off wasn’t Elvis #1 last year or which poll are we talking about. Also last year we hadn’t had alot of things happen yet.
Feliz was still just a live arm
Holland was J.A.G.
Smoak wasn’t in the organization
TT was a injury prone catcher with a questionalbe bat
Main had just had a great start to his pro career but was still raw as hell
Beavan and NeRa hadn’t thrown a pro pitch yet
Martin Perez was learning how to drive (age joke) :)
MaxRam was a bat without a position
Borbon had barely seena pro pitch yet
Beltre was all tools no performance yet
Kiker was having a nice season but it was in A ball
Meanwhile last year Hurley had had a nice run in AA and then been promoted to AAA at 21 years old. He struggled but you could excuse it because of what else he had done so far.
Now a year later Hurley had a forgettable run in AAA. Sure he got better leading up to his callup but still not top prospect worthy. And then while I agree his ML time was pretty impressive he got hurt. So we don’t know how he will do once teams finally have scouting reports on him and see him again.
This isn’t to say hes a bad player but in this organization and this system the year he put up last year does not warrant top 15 status.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 19, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i really
dont understand this, so one semi bad year at 22 makes donhim fall completely out of being a top prospect? I just really dont understand it.
by blalock84 on Nov 19, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
look at his AAA stats
or do a search
they are god-aweful.
AA stats should only carry you so far
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
His ratios are still pretty strong.
His surface numbers sucked, but I still have a lot faith in him.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 19, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He would still be a top prospect in alot of systems
But not ours. There are simply 15 players who have either had great seasons to go along with good potential or had similar seasons with better potential IMO. Add in the guys with better seasons and better potential and he drops alot.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 19, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Feliz
Holland
Main
Smoak
Elvis
Teagarden
Max
Perez
Borbon
Hunter
Kiker
Beltre
Beavan
NeRa
Boscan
Hurley
I could see Hurley going 12-15 and I wouldn’t necessarily have a big problem with it. But then again I could see him go as low as 17-20. Basically 12-20 in our system are so close in my eyes that you could switch them around and it would be logical.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 19, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
still on the wagon
Maybe I’m crazy but I still think Hurley is top 10. I think I’m gonna start voting for him at about 7, certainly before Perez or Beavan or Beltre. He still has a very good shot at being an average or better ML starter and an average ML starter should not be undervalued.
by bushe on Nov 19, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
top fucking ten
are you kidding me
i guarantee you that hes not in any professional organizations top 10 prospects.
what arguement do you have that he should be above hunter?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can guarantee he will be top 10
in just about each prospect ranking out there.
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by Gdawg on Nov 19, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ill take that bet.
what has he done to be on anyones top 10 list since he left AA?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Rodney on Nov 19, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
look below
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's been solid in AAA
is still very young, has the amazing minor league past plus the top draft pick status still, has been among the top 100 prospects before, and is Major League ready. No matter how good the Rangers system is, you aren’t going to see him drop from the top spot in the system out of the top 10 within a year. You might not feel he is top 10 worthy, but I don’t see the BA’s and BP’s excluding him from the top 10.
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by Gdawg on Nov 20, 2008 1:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why are people astonished that i have him out of the top 10
yet no one was when jamey newberg put him at like 14?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 20, 2008 7:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't surprised
because Newberg is a dreamer. He prefers people who he can imagine what they will become over people who are showing him what they are. I prefer people with a track record of being good to someone who looks like they someday may become good.
by bushe on Nov 20, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not surprised
just surprised at your vehemence and insistence.
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by t ball on Nov 20, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. This.
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MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because
local rankings obviously hold their own bias. I’m talking about national rankings like BA and BP.
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by Gdawg on Nov 20, 2008 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we shall see lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 20, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'll bet he doesn't drop completely out of the top 10 for BA or BP.
by philkid3 on Nov 19, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why should he be in the top 10 of one of the best minor league systems in baseball?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he probably didn't do enough to fall that far.
Why don’t we wait and see?
by philkid3 on Nov 19, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he shouldnt be in the rangers top 10, is he horrible and should quit baseball, no.
should either of these players be in the rangers top 10?
player a
~200 ip
24 HR allowed
1.4 whip
~3.2 bb/9
~9.3 k/9
1 hr/9
~9 hits/9
player B
150 IP
28 HR allowed,
1.41 whip
~3.3 bb/9,
~8 k/9,
1.7 hr/9
~9 h/9
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keven Goldstein has said many times:
he doesn’t judge pitchers just by stats.
I’m not sure why you keep arguing. We’ll find out eventually. Why don’t you just wait until then?
by philkid3 on Nov 19, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw
player a = hurley
player b = kiker
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kiker is at least going to get a "Just Missed."
by philkid3 on Nov 19, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just missed the top 10?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you are way too excited about this
He has been a stellar pitcher for his entire pro career outside of AAA. Does he give up gophers? yes. But I think his track record makes it reasonable to expect >6 K/9 and about 3 BB/9. He also doesn’t give up a whole lot of hits and has done a pretty good job of staying healthy. As I said he is a very good shot to be an average ML starter with room to be better than that.
You really shouldn’t bag on people who get to the bigs at 22 even if they have a tough time when they get there. Bucholz who people are all over was much worse this year over a larger sample at an older age, but I’d still rate him pretty highly. There is no way that Hunter is even in the discussion with Hurley. Have you seen either of them pitch? Night and day.
Also no major publication should write a guy off who has a track record like Hurley for people who haven’t posted stats near his at much lower levels. I’m kinda interested what is your list of people you would rank above Hurley and how on earth can you justify putting some of the ridiculous names on it there?
by bushe on Nov 19, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hurley has been really bad at AAA essentially since hes been here
(stolen from below)
07: 13 gs, 4.91, go/ao .52, .236, 36hr pace (200 IP projection)
08: 13gs, 5.30, go/ao .91, .285, 40hr pace (200ip projections)
and dont use his major league “experience” – 4 games of suckage (despite his era) screams SMALL SAMPLE SIZE
does he have value, yes.
but hell, even JNewberg put him at #14 in his latest ranking…he should not be in the top 10.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
stats at AAA: (overall)
148 IP, 26 starts, 28 HR allowed, 151 hits allowed, 57bb:131k, 5.11 era, 1.41 whip
compared to hunter at AAA:
53 ip, 8 starts, 6 hr, 55 hits, 9bb:28k, 2.89 era, 1.21 whip
harrison at AAA:
38 ip, 6 starts, 3 HR, 40 hits, 14bb:20k, 3.55 era, 1.42 whip
player A overall in the minor leagues:
105 starts, 630 ip, 41 HR allowed, .66 hr/9, 6.37 k/9 and 2.05 bb/9, 1.23 whip
player B overall in the minor leagues:
101 starts, 580 ip, 75 hr allowed, 1.16 hr/9, 8.28 k/9, 3.28 bb/9, 1.24 whip
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, we get it
you hate Hurley.
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by t ball on Nov 19, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
that was clear from the very beginning.
by coolaid on Nov 19, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but just in case we didn't understand
he posted it many, many times.
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by t ball on Nov 19, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hurley Hype
If you are looking at his #s you have to be a wee bit concerned about his performance the last 1 1/2 at AAA:
07: 13 gs, 4.91, go/ao .52, .236, 36hr pace (200 IP projection)
08: 13gs, 5.30, go/ao .91, .285, 40hr pace (200ip projections)
His first 4 games at the ML were decent, but with poor bb/so ratio, high pitch counts (never got out of the sixth), and an unbelievably frightening go/so ratio (.26 or 12/43) that left me clenching my teeth his whole time on the mound as people pounded his high stuff to warning track.
by Goyogringo on Nov 19, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whittleman
He is a perfect example of why I complain about Salty so much. The walk rates and OBP look great from a young guy but if when they do swing they can’t hit the ball then they are worthless. I guess I would just rather see a young guy show he can hit advanced pitching and learn patience later on. Doesn’t matter how patient you are you don’t make the majors by walking.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 19, 2008 7:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference
Salty has shown power, Whittleman never has.
Bring up Matt West '09
by Chase Irwin on Nov 19, 2008 7:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a different story
Salty is taking walks at the major league level, Whittleman in A+/AA
by Telegraph on Nov 19, 2008 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lulz
I try not to get into discussions on this subject anymore, but I have to say, I find this complaint slightly funny, considering the knock on Salty after the ‘07 season was that he wasn’t walking hardly at all in his debut in the majors.
Also, the assessment that Salty couldn’t make contact with the ball isn’t really true, as his LD% actually jumped considerably in 2008 (16.7% in ‘07 to 27.2% this year) , while his GB% went down. He even hit .311/.426/.451 with a .467 BABIP from the left side of the dish, which ain’t too bad to say the least – it was his horrid .160/.222/.227, .255 BABIP line batting right-handed that killed his season and skews his numbers.
I don’t mean to get back on the old Salty-warpath again, but seriously… he’s not as bad as he’s collectively made out to be. What he obviously has is a weakness against left-handed pitching… but considering he’s still extremely young, hit well against lefties in the minors, and the fact that most of the pitchers the average major leaguer will face in his career are going to be right-handed I don’t think that can be called a crippling fault just yet.
Anyway… I’m done. Like I said, this really isn’t a subject I like to discuss anymore considering the trouble it got me into in the past… I just wanted to get that off my chest.
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by lonestarJon on Nov 19, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really don't want to get in a Salty argument on this
So im just gonna say if you are billed as being this great offensive catcher whos offense will make up for your defensive shortcomings I need to see more out of you than what he showed me in 2008. His 2007 was fine. I will take fewer walks and more home runs if that is his strength.
Do you really think he can sustain a .467 BABIP? If anything it inflated his numbers.
Im not anti-Salty. I like the guy and think he has a bright future. But if hes not gonna be a defensive wiz behind the dish I would like to see more home runs and doubles and less walks from the guy personally
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 19, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Santana, easily
with Whittleman right behind. Whittleman doesn’t even make my top 30 anymore.
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by t ball on Nov 19, 2008 7:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I never really got the initial Whittleman hype, and this system has too many good players now for me to even worry about him anymore.
Santana is a big disappointment – I was thinking that by this time he could be making our long term catcher situation even more foggy. Oh well – I guess his drop from being a potential competitor to Salty et al., gives Baseball Jesus one less thing to worry about at night.
West, Font, and Castillo are all guys who are so far away that I expect a few ups and downs.
by JBImaknee on Nov 19, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did we ever find out the back story with font?
wasn’t there one?
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by ab03 on Nov 19, 2008 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On to #3!
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Nov 19, 2008 3:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, wait. You forgot to accidentally vote for Justin Smoak this time.
What gives?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 19, 2008 3:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This time Im still awake at 3:30 AM instead of waking up at 6:30 AM
My relative consciousness is higher.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Nov 19, 2008 3:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted smoak, but I probably should have voted Feliz,
oh well.
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by NYTXFAN on Nov 19, 2008 7:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Surely Justin Smoak's premium list postion
will account for some of his votes.
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Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2008 7:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i went with Smoak
i know he plays a position this team doesn’t need as much as, say, pitching, but he just seems like the most sure thing we have in this system, and the way he has handled the AFL, after so few professional ABs, makes me think his year this year will be eerily similar to Teixeira’s ‘02. I love Feliz’s arm and have no problem with him getting the nod here, we have seen too many big arms derailed by a lack of secondary stuff over the years for me to not be at least a little leery of his underdeveloped offspeed pitches.
by clark on Nov 19, 2008 7:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Went with my #1 again
Feliz.
I am the motherfucking shore patrol, motherfucker! I am the motherfucking shore patrol! Give this man a beer.
by TheBZA on Nov 19, 2008 8:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I voted Smoak yesterday
I can’t change today. I just hope he edges out Main tomorrow. I fear he won’t… because Rangers are so desperate for pitching, they’ll “believe” that all these young arms are potential/surefire aces.
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
by Haeger Champ on Nov 19, 2008 8:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Smoak should be 3.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2008 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak should be #1
but I won’t bitch too much about the two that will go above him.
by bushe on Nov 19, 2008 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It'd tough for me
to put any one pitch pitcher ahead of Smoak.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on Nov 19, 2008 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
That is why I voted for him over both of the two pitchers du jour.
by bushe on Nov 19, 2008 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
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by Haeger Champ on Nov 19, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we were talking about a guy
drafted out of college, who is a reliever, then I may understand your point.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he gets upgraded
because he has success in AA, I don’t see any problems downgrading him because he doesn’t have a 2nd pitch yet in AA. AA is pretty far along the development path.
Nolan Ryan is the Greatest Pitcher ever, because Google says so.
"BTW I’m officially welching ab03. Yeah I planned too all along, but I figured I’d try to get off the hook with double or nothing first."- Sharky
by DJCahill on Nov 19, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not if your 20 years old
and only pitched 198 innings total as a professional, that just tells you how dominating his one pitch is.. And by all accounts his secondary pitches have made significant progress along the 142 innings he’s pitched as a Ranger, I have no reason to believe they are gonna stop progressing.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw him
twice in Frisco this season. His first start and one near the end of the season. His second start his slider/curve (I still dont know what to call it) and his changeup looked decent. Basically, he improved throughout the season. I really dont think we can undervalue the internal competition that has popped amongst main, feliz, and holland for number one pitching prospect.
by Michael Cave on Nov 19, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Far better than in years past
when guys seemed to be fighting not to be our #1 pitching prospect
by JBImaknee on Nov 19, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha,
Good point. Remember the Jonathan Johnsons and Jovanny Cedenos of the world?
by Michael Cave on Nov 19, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
juan dominguez
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ryan drese
remember when he was the “savior”
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Regilio
Sam Narron
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Bierbrodt
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hector Fajardo
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 19, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mario ramos
OUCH!
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Nov 21, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak
I think Smoak needs just a little bit of time in the minors to actually be number 1. Honestly, the things I hear from others that hes that polished right now makes me thing the prospect list next summer will have Smoak as number 1
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Nov 19, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm voting for Main today and tomorrow
Because of two things:
1> I believe Main’s ceiling is as high as anyone in the organization, and he’s on the right track to take advantage of it
2> Main is younger and has put up the numbers in the pros. Smoak has some good numbers in the AFL, and I’m certainly psyched about him, but he still needs to show me solid numbers against real minor league teams.
Smoak almost certainly has a higher probability of being a major league regular and a star. But a 10% chance of being a star pitcher is far more valuable to me than a 20% chance of being a star hitter. At least to me.
by JBImaknee on Nov 19, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Happy Happy
Smoak next.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Nov 19, 2008 9:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nope Mr. Main for me
A bunch of midgets with no arms could pitch better than us. -iorange555
by boomer1 on Nov 19, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
king feliz! lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 19, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Cheese Feliz
In memory of Ulysses Simpson Grant Stoner. RIP Lil Stoner.
by tricer on Nov 19, 2008 9:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think you can just move on to #3
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 19, 2008 10:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
109 for Feliz vs. 40 for everyone else right now… this was pretty much a foregone conclusion from the start of course. I’m ready to watch the Main vs. Smoak debate that should ensue over #3.
by JimBonnick84 on Nov 19, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So can Marcus Lemon be on the next ballot?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 19, 2008 11:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
heh
I think Newberg would have me killed if I put Lil’ Lemon on the ballot before Vallejo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 19, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta go with the Strike Team here...
first Dutch, and now Feliz.
by venturafearsnolan on Nov 19, 2008 11:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Strike team
Terrible, awful name.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 19, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about:
The Ambiguously Gay Duo
by slimshadty12 on Nov 19, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
slightly less gay
than the other nick. congrats!
by bushe on Nov 19, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also bad
no doubt.
I severely dislike group nicknames anyway, individual nicknames are bad enough.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 19, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
the last group nickname worked out so well for the Rangers that we should just retire the whole process forever. No more group nicknames.
And, fwiw, “Strike Team” is painfully bad. Sounds like a bad ‘80s Steven Segal or Sylvester Stallone movie that I don’t want to see.
by JBImaknee on Nov 19, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how could you dislike...
Thunder and Lightning?
The Three Amigos?
The Purple People Eaters?
The Bash Brothers?
The Big Red Machine?
Phi Slamma Jamma?
The Steel Curtain?
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
by Haeger Champ on Nov 19, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Few and far between
are good group nicknames. Strike team is not within shouting distance of that collection.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 19, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
How many people in the late 1950’s do you think would have thought that “The Beatles” would be a good name for a Rock ’n" Roll Band?
I used to believe that violence never solved any problem. That was unitl I got acquitted of murdering my pregnant mistress.
by YourNameHere on Nov 19, 2008 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Holland, Feliz
et al write some songs and form a band, they can call themselves strike team. I’m going to call them by their names.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 19, 2008 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's lame
But it’s kind of a funny lame, so if we started using “Stike Team” to refer collectively to our blue chip prospects (Holland, Feliz, Main, Smoak, Andrus, Davis,maybe even Martin Perez) I don’t have a problem with it.
Being able to type “I would trade anyone outside of the strike team for Clay Buchholz” would be a lot easier than typing “I would trade anyone outside of Holland/Feliz/Main/Smoak/Davis/Andrus for Clay Buchholz”. Because it’s all about bandwidth conservation, doncha know.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Nov 19, 2008 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck getting a consensus on that group...
If you’re looking at the base paths, Julio Borbon, Elvis Andrus, Jose Vallejo and possibly Engel Beltre could form the “Speed Freaks.” In reality though, good nicknames tend to originate on the spur of the moment; the process needs the divine inspiration that can’t be found when it’s planned out or picked via voting.
I used to believe that violence never solved any problem. That was unitl I got acquitted of murdering my pregnant mistress.
by YourNameHere on Nov 20, 2008 1:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't need a real story
just get enough people to use it and I guarantee that you’ll hear a bunch of great stories from people about why they have that nickname.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 20, 2008 1:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta say I'm really rooting against this catching on.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont forget
earth, wind, and fire.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad News Bears
that was a good one.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 19, 2008 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's suprising to me...
there aren’t many displaced votes. Sure, you have a vote for Hurley up there, but other than that, 4 guys? Everyone has at least got a pretty narrowed down list, not bad.
by cmkelly29 on Nov 19, 2008 11:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I voted Feliz #1
but I think Main is #2 so I voted for Main this time.
Kidding, Feilz.
www.mavsmoneyball.com
by Wes Cox on Nov 19, 2008 11:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Feliz
Again.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Nov 19, 2008 11:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Main.
Feliz like a nuclear bomb with no guidance system.
He could rain down fire…..but could he reach his target….
by SaltyGoesYard on Nov 19, 2008 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Feliz
Him and Holland are 1A and 1B
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Nov 19, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So Main is 1C and Smoak is 1D
Correct?
by hiafex on Nov 19, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i predict...
vice versa
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
by Haeger Champ on Nov 19, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, doesn't matter to me
They’re all in our system. :]
by hiafex on Nov 19, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Naw, i wish
Smoak is number 3, followed by Main then Perez. Any one of those 5 could be a number 1 prospect for almost every other club
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Nov 19, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Definately Feliz,
but like many of you, I’m beginning to think that feliz, holland, and smoak are all pretty much interchangeable. Can’t really go wrong with any of them.
by Schrute Farms on Nov 19, 2008 3:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is actually even closer than I thought it would be.
Heh.
Feliz. Voted for him last time, definitely voting for him this time.
Smoak next.
by philkid3 on Nov 19, 2008 3:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, off topic.
For the first time, it just occured to me that I’m older than Chris Davis.
So weird.
by philkid3 on Nov 19, 2008 3:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
pshhh
there are 3 Rangers who are older than me. Cat, MY, and Millwood.
I’m older than PADILLA? Dang. And Jack Benny? He’s been around forever!!!
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by Haeger Champ on Nov 19, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
of course...
those three players are also older than JD as well.
"Fielding isn't that important" - Save Us 11/11/08
by Haeger Champ on Nov 19, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm exactly one day older than Justin Morneau.
Somebody called him a “grizzled veteran” the other day and I wept openly.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 19, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Birth Dates
It always bothers me to see birth dates of prospects in the 90’s. Yikes!
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Nov 19, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cry me a river
I was a junior in high school when he was born.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 19, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm older than Martin Perez
Heh.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Nov 19, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its gonna be an interesting third round
between Main and Smoak
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
by hinduplaya on Nov 19, 2008 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Smoak for me
Just like Teixeira, he seems like a no doubt future ML all star.
Our hitters almost always do what they’re expected or better and our pitchers always do worse. So that’s my reasoning behind it.
by chase1971 on Nov 19, 2008 4:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What will be close...
is Main/Smoak for #3.
My top 5 are:
1) Feliz
2) Holland
3) Smoak
4) Main
5) Andrus
However LSB obviously flopped Feliz/Holland and I think will do the same with Smoak/Main. I bet many pick TT over Andrus as well. Should be close.
Beat those Cougs.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 19, 2008 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think the 3-6 battles are all pretty interesting.
I’m actually pretty sure Smoak will be 3rd, but then we’ll have Main, Andrus and Teagarden arguments.
Beat those Huskies.
by philkid3 on Nov 19, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To me, if Borbon's walk rates in the AFL aren't a fluke
I’m tempted to slide him right behind Andrus.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think even without the AFL stats
his Frisco numbers make me think that he’s the fifth best positonal player we got in our system behind Smoak, Maxram, TT, and Andrus
by blalock84 on Nov 19, 2008 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say
Feliz
Holland
Smoak
Andrus
Main
by groundingout on Nov 20, 2008 1:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1. Feliz
2. Holland
3. Smoak
4. Main
5. Teagarden
by philkid3 on Nov 20, 2008 1:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't think Andrus power will come around?
In memory of Ulysses Simpson Grant Stoner. RIP Lil Stoner.
by tricer on Nov 20, 2008 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It might.
It might not, and there are more concerns.
Having him 6th isn’t exactly a vote of no confidence.
by philkid3 on Nov 20, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what are the other concerns?
from all I’ve seen his hitting for average, plate discipline, range, throwing, baserunning are all very solid. Power is the only part of his game that is lacking thus far, and I think there is a decent chance that will develop as he gets into his mid 20s.
In memory of Ulysses Simpson Grant Stoner. RIP Lil Stoner.
by tricer on Nov 20, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not many walks. Good load of strikeouts. A lot of his value rests on his defense and in a prospect there’s no evidence to look at. A really not good rate of steals, which is another source of his value. And, of course, the lack of power.
But, again, I’ll probably have him 6th and definitely consider him a top 100 prospect. I’m not exactly down on the guy.
by philkid3 on Nov 20, 2008 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really expecting much power.
But I don’t care.
At SS my concerns go:
1. Defense.
2. Defense.
3. Defense.
4. Ability to not totally embarrass himself with the bat.
5. Ummm… Some more defense.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My top 5
I’ll probably go with Smoak at #3, so:
Dutch
Neftali
Smoak
Main
Andrus
I don’t know why anyone would have Teagarden above Andrus, let alone Max Ramirez. If he puts up the power #‘s he did this Sept., Tea will be a nice player for sure, but I don’t think there’s been any debate about the fact that he’s pretty unlikely to actually be a special player. Whether he lands the starting catcher spot or not in ‘09, I don’t think he deserves to be in front of Andrus and Max on a prospect list.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Nov 20, 2008 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Partly because the scouts and prognosticators I've come to respect have him first.
And there has been plenty of debate abouth whether or not he’ll be special. Most top 100 BP prospects are guys who are expected to be special.
I’m not sure where this “Tea will be a nice player” stuff comes from when some of the most respected people in the business rave about him, he has nearly a .900 career minor league OPS and a great defensive reputation.
I would consider Mickey Tettleton with terrific defense (the popular Goldstein comparison) more than a “nice player.”
by philkid3 on Nov 20, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Should also be pointed out that. . .
. . . PECOTA likes Tea more.
Of course it likes Lemon more than Andrus and my vote won’t reflect that, but I also won’t outright dismiss it.
by philkid3 on Nov 20, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow lemon > andrus
it LOVED andrus 2ish yrs ago
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
Pecota doesn’t project defense.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 21, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea but it still loved him
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 21, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wakey wakey
hands off snakey
where you at Mr. Tron?
by bushe on Nov 20, 2008 12:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't free this morning, sorry.
It’s up now!
Yay for me!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
MVP votes are the new OBP.
by thedirkatron on Nov 20, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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